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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #285 on: September 16, 2021, 05:04:48 PM »
THE BEST PLACE TO CONDUCT THIS EXPERIMENT WILL BE ON THE OCEAN.
THE REASON BEING THAT THE SEA WATER WILL BE A VERY GOOD GROUND
PLANE, THE SEA BEING VERY CONDUCTIVE. ALSO WILL BE IDEAL TO TRANSFER POWER FROM EITHER WIND
OR SEA CURRENT GENERATOR TO LAND BASES.


« Last Edit: September 16, 2021, 07:11:37 PM by stivep »

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #286 on: October 03, 2021, 09:26:50 PM »
This is the answer part H of  point 3
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560251/#msg560251
Preparing electromagnetic wave to travel in waveguide - its special form the INTERFACE:



POLARIZATION

we continuing with  explaining polarization


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We need to make sure that  we understand  the two phenomena present in our study:
1. Polarization of an antenna
2.
Polarization of the wave

add1:

Polarization of an antenna  for our application must be vertical.
It means position of an antenna against the  horizontal earth
must be vertical.
Earth along with air above   makes our  waveguide - the INTERFACE.

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Definition: Antenna Polarization is the term used in correspondence with the electromagnetic wave radiated through it.
It is defined as the orientation of the electric field vector of the radiated electromagnetic wave by the antenna with a negligible amount of losses.
https://electronicsdesk.com/antenna-polarization.

add2.

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polarization  of the wave is defined as the special property of electromagnetic waves that provides a specific relation between
the time-varying direction and magnitude of the vibrating electric field.
More simply, it can be said that polarization represents how the electromagnetic waves are physically oriented in space.
polarization is always explained with reference to the electric vector.
and electric field has its vector called  electric vector.
Due to this reason; we define the plane of polarization of the (radio waves- means ) electromagnetic waves  in the direction of the electric vector.
Another words  we can draw plane along direction of electric vector to  see it more easily in space around us. 

So vertical polarization of an antenna  makes  wave vertical electric field  prepared  to  our application.
We mentioned electric field only however
electromagnetic wave has both electric and magnetic field component ( each with is its own  vector)
The electric and magnetic vector are mutually perpendicular to the direction of wave propagation.
The  electric and the magnetic field (  are at 90 degrees to each other)
Electric field vector  vibrates in the direction perpendicular to the direction of wave propagation.
This means if the electric field vector is present in the vertical plane above the surface of the earth then it is known as vertically polarized.


Summary:

vertical antenna
radiates vertically polarized waves,
while
horizontal antenna radiates horizontally polarized waves.
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vertically polarized waves : if the electric field vector is present in the vertical plane above the surface of the earth then it is known as vertically polarized.
likewise,

horizontally polarized waves
.:when the electric field vector is along the horizontal plane then it is called horizontally polarized waves.
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Hence polarization is the characteristical property of the antenna designed to radiate linearly polarized wave.
Wave alignment in space either vertical or horizontal is known as linear polarization.

linearly polarized wave:
linear polarization or plane polarization of electromagnetic radiation is a confinement of the electric field vector or magnetic field vector to
a given plane along the direction of propagation.
but because we are interested now with electric field vector we skip magnetic field and its vector but not for long


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Electromagnetic Wave in form of:STANDING WAVE

Please look at my previous comment
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560346/#msg560346



We have the two applications  we are interested with
1. energy transfer from  point A to point B using Zenneck Wave and Interface
and that will be any point A on earth to any point B.

2. Energy extraction from Schumann Waveguide
and that  will be   the energy that landed naturally in the Interface
at any point(s) on the earth and is received   at  any point B .

Because we  are dealing with origination   of electromagnetic wave at different  place of the earth  than  receiving of these waves
the  statement below will be valid as a rule:


What is the "sequence" for  electromagnetic waves?
The "sequence" for  electromagnetic waves is:
 -generation,
-propagation,
-reflection,
-and reception.

Wesley
« Last Edit: October 04, 2021, 01:26:21 PM by stivep »

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #287 on: October 05, 2021, 04:41:31 PM »
This is the answer part I of  point 3
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560251/#msg560251
Preparing electromagnetic wave to travel in waveguide or  its special kind the INTERFACE:



POLARIZATION

we continuing with  explaining polarization


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From part H ( in previous post) we know that:
-  our transmitting antenna(-the Tesla Coil) must be vertical  and because of that the electromagnetic wave is vertically polarized.
   
Wave Tilt:
From the world of classical mechanics we know that shape,direction and  elevation of water can be regulated.
https://youtu.be/8gcYvzILLbc?t=197
The same  story is with  electromagnetic  wave ruled by quantum phenomena .

 
Sensing probes around Tesla Coil transmitter:
We will tune Top Capacitor of Tesla Coil into Complex Brewster Angle.
The slope of conical pattern  of electromagnetic field  will be presented in next comments.
It will look like narrow cone.
By reading  electromagnetic magnetic field on each  one of  Probes we are  able to   find if the electromagnetic wave
is now at  the right  angle of tilt.
When we than check the signal on  Tesla Coil assembly ( that is in Far Field) acting as a receiver 
we need to remember that its Top Capacitor must be tuned too to maximum power  received.
That is why humanity  didn't yet know about  not only sending  energy from point A to point B but  they didn't know how to extract 
and receive energy from Schumann  waveguide too.



I'm working on it now
« Last Edit: October 06, 2021, 02:27:40 AM by stivep »

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #288 on: October 05, 2021, 06:38:52 PM »
 Conical sloping pattern  of electromagnetic field   propagation starting from  Top capacitor   of Tesla Coilc was presented on pictures 1, 2, and 3.

However physics  prefers to  look at it as like at cylinders.
Physics visualizes this electromagnetic field  as wider and wider spreading out cylinders having less and less power .. the further 
they are apart from the Tx Tesla Coil.

(Look how tall these cylinders are . Than draw with your eyes the line starting from top capacitor along the top edge  of all cylinders  and you'll see that this line is sloping like a cone.)
   

- such propagation is called cylindrical
- such waves  are called cylindrical waves
- the front of this wave is called cylindrical wavefront.

As you see on picture below :
 our Tesla coil is and acts as our LINE OF SOURCE
explanation of point of source and line of source is here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560319/#msg560319

Wesley
« Last Edit: October 06, 2021, 12:37:07 PM by stivep »

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #289 on: October 07, 2021, 02:51:14 AM »
Lukasz:"PART 4, Receiving antennas" w książce:
https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/opb/hdb/R-HDB-59-2014-PDF-E.pdf ,

Lukasz nawiazal do ferrytow: Tutaj masz  odpowiedz na swoj komentarz i pytanie o ferrytach:
September 12, 2021,
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However one of secrets of  replication of Dr James Corum device is use of ferrite bars.
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560291/#msg560291
TM mode and  Brewster Angle 
Wyjasnienie   co i dlaczego jest w tych video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw  Lecture 21 (EM21)
https://youtu.be/aM2g1J1J8To 
Surface waves Complex Angles in Electromagnetics and Photonics
credit to Ivan Speedy 125

Wesley
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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #290 on: April 26, 2022, 02:25:57 AM »
Please give to yourself one hour in your lifetime
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some of you would like to look smart
some of you would like to be smart
but all of you would like to understand.
this video watches like an action movie.

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I was challenged with introducing all of electromagnetics in one hour to students just out of high school and entering college. 
This video is my attempt at this.  Electromagnetics is a very mathematically intense discipline involving vector calculus,
differential equations and other things that make this challenging.
Here I have tried to explain everything visually with no math. 
I do present some equations, but only to satisfy students curiosity about what the equations may look like. 
I hope you enjoy the video and get something out of it. 
I also hope it helps recruit more students into the area of electromagnetics and optics. 
The video was fun to create!

The Amazing World of Electromagnetics (revised)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrTriTMZEnk


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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #291 on: July 01, 2022, 08:33:53 PM »
I didn't finish all of the explanation started at:
There are two topics worth  your attention:
https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559510/#msg559510https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg559524/#msg559524\
I just stopped for a while and I will continue it in the free time.
Believing is not is a lot of work to keep the content clear and understandable for both the experienced and not experienced
reader, especially in two languages English and Russian.
Wesley

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #292 on: July 04, 2022, 01:41:24 AM »
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10852333B2/en
Earth-ionosphere waveguide power transfer
Wesley

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #293 on: February 02, 2023, 10:18:34 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetotellurics
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https://youtu.be/ryeODWYZ20c?t=33
How Magnetotelluric (MT) Surveys Work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdwQ6vm3tGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4ATvbCwAw
Introduction to Magnetotellurics – SAGE MT Facility Webinar Series
skip this one it is to long for average viewer.
Magnetotellurics Survey - 1 Running through the equipment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypW7KIAQ92k
Magnetotellurics Survey - 2 Survey layout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F9JPItD-ek
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-qwkmVjrgk
this one is two minutes only shows basic installation of probes.
Magnetotellurics Survey - 3 Operating the console
https://youtu.be/a8X6mDED01M?t=602
Electromagnetism - 2 Survey and data
https://youtu.be/XQXhJTkIhyA?t=46
https://www.youtube.com/@WitsGeosciences/search?query=Magnetotelluric
for Russian-speaking viewers I have this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44c3_qdTK44
Wesley
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« Reply #294 on: March 01, 2023, 01:30:52 AM »
Controversial ownership rights to hero symbol of Nicola Tesla between
Croatia and  Serbia keeps him alive
in  their  research , science  and history.
Group of scientists from Serbia/Croatia is publishing  plenty  papers about Tesla life, work and scientific contribution,including  experiments, analysis  calculations sponsored by  Government
Most of these papers is available to everyone but you need sign free membership or just only give "them" your email. like:  https://www.academia.edu , ieeexplore.ieee.org, /www.researchgate.net,
so again : give  "them"  your  email - nothing more   is needed.

Please google :
scientists name or  article  of interest. :
Poljak, Dragan; Blažević, Zoran; Šesnić, Silvestar; Cvetković, Mario
or
Name of article:
Full wave model versus transmission line representation of Tesla's wave propagation:
155th anniversary of birth of Nikola Tesla
They will send you articles for free based on your search- others can't find on line.
few tips after  you done with registration: If you use e.g firefox , You'll see the paper, you want to download it,
they may ask you for  membership but  when you close the paper you'll see that it  automatically downloaded it.
This particular  paper talks  about Tesla's transmission energy over Earth.
So it was not Dr James Corum, nor  Sommerfeld-Goubau or Zenneck but Tesla who was first.
Information matches exactly to Surface Wave  known as Zenneck Wave in the  Earth Air Interface.
Historically  Tesla Tower was demolished  due to JP Morgan, Marconi lost in Bolinas California  due to RCA,
Dr James Corum gave up in Texas and Viziv went chapter 11.
Full name of Article:
Full Wave Model versus Transmission Line Representation of Tesla’s Wave Propagation: 155th Anniversary of Birth of Nikola Tesla
Dragan Poljak, Zoran Blazevic, Silvestar Sesnic, Mario Cvetkovic Department of Electronics, Department of Electrical Engineering University of Split Split, Croatia E-mail: dpoljak@fesb.hr

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quotes:
 Tesla’s propagation concept of wireless transmission of energy//
Telsa’s ideas on non-Hertzian waves*(1899)//currents, voltages and radiated fields//transmitted power via Tesla’s propagation path through the Earth  //
//Energy of such a system, according to Tesla, is not radiated, but rather conserved in a Tesla’s transmitter -Earth system from which it may be absorbed by means of properly adjusted receiving antennas, as shown in Fig. 2 //

the path-loss increases with frequency due to a finite conductivity of the Earth, it follows that the use of lower frequencies (less than 20 kHz [14], [25]) for power transmission is required. Tesla perceived this system during the Colorado Springs experiments [16].//
Note it may be  confusing how Tesla envisioned it but  picture  clearly shows  wave traveling around the earth left right, in the interface  Earth Air.
Wesley
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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #295 on: April 06, 2023, 03:11:39 PM »


Dear Stefan Chet and others..

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In: https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560166/#msg560166
I have shown  Electromagnetic wave  trapped in  Metal Air interface. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-57554-1
In article below there is  experiment from   end of 20tieth century   recorded also by Department of Defense
showing : Excitation of surface electromagnetic waves on water
A. K. Singh, C. A. Goben, M. Davarpanah, and J. L. Boone
https://vdocuments.mx/excitation-of-surface-electromagnetic-waves-on-water.html?page=3

Later on in 2013 Dr Corum  instead of  Mhz region used  kHz region frequencies to do the same in Seneca Lake
http://rexresearch.com/corumzenneck/texzon.pdf

In here  I gave exact accurate information about structure used  in kHz region experiment  1 day of work:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg562296/#msg562296 -and even quite skeptical guys decided to write about it.
http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws4.htm

It is more likely  that  Russian Kolbacict starts to experiment with it  before you do, because he is more  hungry for what you not in your comfort  I assume.
Sorry guys but my contribution to humanity  has its limits too.
Wesley
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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #296 on: April 06, 2023, 10:59:41 PM »
Hi Wesley, When you have a few minutes to spare, would you be kind enough to check out this guy, Mtech Industries - YouTube
He is selling for $350 a kit. Making very bold claims, though I'm not seeing what all the hype is about.
Greatly appreciated,
Garry
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« Reply #298 on: June 27, 2023, 10:26:49 PM »
 I have got OK from my partner to  publish l some details of  A to B energy transfer   
that is related to Extraction of energy from  Schumann waveguide:

Part 1

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Two points structure :
it can be any two points called A and B
Geometry:
- these points always belongs to the plane or line  and fallows curvature (e.g. of the earth)
Position
these points can be :
1- two ends of wire ( e.g: telephone wire or  Power line  or  Goubau line) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line )
2- two ends or two points  on the  ( aluminum/copper  foil) at   unlimited length.= conductor
3- two ends or two points  on the planet earth =  earth as a lossy conductor./and air making it  the interface

 
So at  point  A we have Tx and  at B we  have Rx 
(Rx receiver Tx  transmitter.)_
Communication  or energy transfer is provided at specific frequency F
Losses of the signal  are present so you always  transmit more and receive  less or nothing at all.
These losses  are associated  with  number of factors:
- impedance  match between output of Tx  transmission line and the antenna  e.g  Goubau line or  (Tesla coil)
- efficiency of an antenna
- medium - medium will be explained later.
 note: the same conditions apply to Rx too.

Dr Corum used  Tesla coil at A  as a Tx and also  Tesla coil at B  as Rx
Note: in the case of  Extraction of energy from  Schumann waveguide we deal  only with  Rx.


more in part 2
Wesley

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« Reply #299 on: June 27, 2023, 11:42:00 PM »
Part 2
medium
Note: look at  green word medium in the previous comment.

medium is everything that is between point A and point B
If we have wire between these two points we are dealing with  impedance as signal is AC.
we have air between these two points.
Note: look at example #2 on the picture from above

If we have  air/earth interface  structure or Goubau line or foil
between these two points we are dealing with  impedance as signal is AC
Note: look at example #1 or#3 on the picture from above
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in example #1- Space between these two "ends" or two points  on the planet earth =  earth as a lossy conductor./and air making it  the interface
- important is only that what is in that 2D interface between  Air and Earth (and quality of earth as a conductor)
  curvature of earth is not important as Electromagnetic wave in that interface is  fallowing  it.
Note: that  interface is simply flat waveguide and inverse square law doesn't apply to waveguides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law
This also applies to the  aluminum/coper  foil as conductive medium and Air as  dielectric - making it exactly the same interface.
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2- two ends or two points  on the  ( aluminum/copper  foil) at   unlimited length.= conductor
Note: Look at example #1 on the picture from above it.  it  shows earth and air  and imagine that you have foil instead of earth- width of that foil is  likely not that important
it could be  few cm as well.


NOTE: ( not what we  want)

Energy in form of electromagnetic wave  can also  travel between point
A and point B  as regular electromagnetic wave  but than  inverse  square law ,antennas, impedances and transmission lines applies
 we  are excluding it  from this study and we are not interested with it  at all  - unless we need it as   a comparison.

Wesley