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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #165 on: February 18, 2020, 12:56:34 AM »
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#1.

Explanation of Dr Corum from Viziv use of Zenneck wave from the perspective of?Zenneck wave
But prospected  by use of much higher  electromagnetic  waves - light.
it is analyzed in quora
note:
 you must click: Continue Reading

How does the Tesla tower of Viziv Technologies work?
https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-Tesla-tower-of-Viziv-Technologies-work

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #166 on: February 18, 2020, 01:15:47 AM »
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#2
This is some sort of  information exposing - what is   being  false  or  exaggerated and what is not :
in regards to strange looking Russian structure  by some assigned to Tesla coil
https://www.slavorum.org/legendary-tesla-towers-are-operational-in-russia/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFQkb8O0CZM

Note:
Please go down  of the page to :
Chuck Ruff   8 months ago

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First, these are nothing to do with anything Tesla did.
The high voltages are developed in a completely different way than from a Tesla Coil.
The imposing looking structures on either end of the field are not the marx generators.
One, the smaller of the two, is the 3 phase, full wave rectifier stack that changes the
power from a distant power plant to DC energy.
It provides very high voltage DC energy to the other similar looking structure, which is nothing
more than a voltage regulator and switching system to fire the generator.
The actual marx generator is the tower between them. It gets the least attention because
 it’s not as menacing looking as the other two structures.
Its purpose was to test aircraft assemblies for EMP hardening. Obviously you “load” a small aircraft or model for testing.
Truthfully, this is not a very good way to test for EMP hardening because there is very little high power microwave energy
generated it this way.
On the other hand it is fine for testing for lightning hardening.
This facility is pointed out as an example of more advanced sciences developed by the Soviet era, when in fact, in the
United States when EMP hardening is tested it is in a machine that generates an actual EMP pulse without high voltage discharges,
actually, much more advanced than using a huge inefficient marx generator. It is also much, much cheaper to run as well.
They don’t get much attention because they don’t use huge menacing looking structures and lightning bolt sized sparks to execute the test.
This does not harvest lightning, it generates it artificially. Second, it is also not an attempt to create a directed energy weapon as proposed by others.
I hope this clears up any inaccuracies in the original article, although I admit, much less dramatic sounding, considering it would never work for it’s intended purpose.
I propose that is the real reason it was abandoned.

in this article  gentleman Marin Soljačić
is mentioned with
 
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first efficient non-radiative power transfer

and
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US$20 million grant from the U.S. Department of Energy,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_Solja%C4%8Di%C4%87

and known for his work  in solitons
to find why it is important go to link #7 at the bottom of the page
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« Last Edit: February 19, 2020, 04:06:03 AM by stivep »

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #167 on: February 18, 2020, 02:22:16 AM »
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#3

Quite intensive and in some point dramatic discussion about:
Viziv, Zenneck Wave,
wave properties in comparison to  laser,
Near Field and inverse square law
Although  it is easy  text , -for right readier it is good entertainment.
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/19/02/10/0615248/ask-slashdot-could-nikola-teslas-wardenclyffe-tower-have-worked

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for these who wants easier controversy based on historical perspective  go here
https://www.pbs.org/tesla/dis/responses.html

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Response
 by Jim Hardesty

 Because you seem to have considerable knowledge of the subject, and particularly of Maxwell's equations,
I will direct you to a very important book called Wireless Telegraphy by Dr. J. Zenneck (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1915). In Chapter 10,
"Propagation of the Waves Over the Earth's Surface," Zenneck provided some very useful information about ground waves.
 Tesla indicated that Zenneck's ground wave was the non-Hertzian wave he was talking about.
The Zenneck-Sommerfeld solution to Maxwell's equations is another area for you to check.
 It is known that one of the books that Tesla's most used was a copy of Maxwell's original work.
Because much of that appears in quaterions, one can assume that Tesla had considerable
familiarity with them.


 I will leave you with this. Have fun!



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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #167 on: February 18, 2020, 02:22:16 AM »
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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #168 on: February 18, 2020, 02:44:51 AM »
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#4

Here  we have
WirelessPower Transmission Future as Showcased
in Nikola Tesla’s Electricity Unplugged
Thomas Valone, Ph.D., P.E.
Integrity Research Institute, Beltsville MD 20705

Start reading from page 10
https://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/IRIANNUAL2016.pdf   
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"All  that  is  necessary,"  says  Corum,  “is  that  his  transmitter  power  and carrier frequency be capable of round-the-world propagation.
" In fact, Tesla stated, "With my transmitter I actually sent electrical vibrations around the world and received them again,
and I then went on to develop my machinery" (L.A. Times, Dec., 1904), which was verified by Dr Corum.

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The power loss experienced by this pulsed, electrostatic discharge mode of propagation was less than 5% over 25,000  miles.
 Dr.  Van  Voorhies  says,  "...path  losses  are 0.25  dB/Mm  at  10  Hz",
 which  often  is  difficult  for  engineers  to  believe, - For these who  are  used  to  transverse  waves,  a  resistive  medium, 
and  line-of-sight  propagation  modes


And some snack,
 something easy -  for easy go.. people:
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When launched, the Zenneck Surface Wave literally envelops the planet like a balloon,
enabling transmitter probes to be placed anywhere power can be generated and receivers
to be placed anywhere power is needed.
https://swling.com/blog/2018/10/scientists-studying-wireless-electric-transmission-in-central-texas/

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #169 on: February 18, 2020, 02:59:30 AM »
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#5

http://www.institutotesla.org/pdf/TESLA-THEORY-1.pdf

nice pictures of original pages
Text loooong... in English
I didn't read it yet
but for some reason ends with Russian

......................Ok I think I know what is going on.
they use Russian references
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References  .
1. B. Rzhonsnitsky,
N.Tesla, Moscow, 1959.  2. I.Tamm,
The bases of the electric theory, Moscow, Leningrad, 1949.  3.
Kessenikh, Propagation of radio wave, Moscow, 1952.

So it looks like it is "Tesla  from Russian point of view"
Can be interesting .
Let me know if it has any value.
if not I'll  remove  it.

Wesley

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #169 on: February 18, 2020, 02:59:30 AM »
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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #170 on: February 18, 2020, 03:14:00 AM »

Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#6
The application of electromagnetic surface waves to wireless energy transfer
Gary Peterson
The use of guided electromagnetic waves for the wireless transmission of electrical energy has long been the subject of scientific investigation.
While attention is presently focused on the near-field inductive and far-field radiative
techniques there is ongoing interest, as well, in the possibility of using a terrestrial transmission
line mode for wireless power transfer.
A history of surface wave theory development is provided, along with comments about the basic functionality of Tesla's original designs.
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-application-of-electromagnetic-surface-waves-to-Peterson/f9d3824240e41b4748a403adbd0c140f2f580a06


Grab the original  text if you can !!!!
It is worth your time
Text can be downloaded  for  I believe less than $35

And this is what you need!!!
should I add more than that?
Let me know if anyone have it.


Wesley
« Last Edit: February 18, 2020, 06:59:29 PM by stivep »

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #171 on: February 18, 2020, 03:30:25 AM »
At the end of today's session some entertainment:
where  was that?
what year?
https://teslauniverse.com/node/11868
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and another one :
I'm not sure why this was published in Research gate
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321105897_Paradigm_Lost_Nikola_Tesla's_True_Wireless
let me know if it has any value.
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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #171 on: February 18, 2020, 03:30:25 AM »
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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #172 on: February 18, 2020, 06:17:18 PM »
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#7

This link is typical to Zenneck wave information bin,
 however it adds to the picture soliton from its quantum perspective.
https://www.think-aboutit.com/rediscovering-the-zenneck-surface-wave/

by definition soliton in classical mechanics is:
a self-reinforcing wave packet that maintains its shape while it propagates at a constant velocity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soliton
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167278998001110

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but in quantum world soliton is understood as:
a quantum or quasiparticle propagated as a traveling nondissipative wave that is neither preceded nor followed by another such disturbance.

some controversy as to the value of the article is added by mentioning scalar waves and John Bedini into the picture.
However  it is good that this information is  kept in separate sections of the text.

in this link below  Hebrew University first price went to
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Professors Mordechai Segev and Tsvi Piran in the Exact Sciences category. Segev, the Robert J. Shillman
Distinguished Professor of Physics at the Technion,
is receiving the award for his research in nonlinear optics.
 Segev was the first to observe 2D lattice solitons
and the first to demonstrate a photonic topological insulator.
 A soliton is a quantum or quasiparticle propagated as a traveling nondissipative wave that is neither
preceded nor followed by another such disturbance.
https://www.marketscreener.com/EXACT-SCIENCES-CORPORATIO-9232/news/EXACT-Sciences-EMET-Prize-announces-new-cadre-of-winners-28803469/

Mordechai Segev[3]
was also doctoral advisor of  than postgraduate  and now profesor of MIT
Marin Soljačić   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_Solja%C4%8Di%C4%87

(Mordechai Segev and Marin Soljačić, then at Princeton), together with Menyuk, made the connection between solitons and fractals 13.
 Solitons are self-trapped wavepackets that interact with one another in a manner similar to the way that particles do.
In some cases, solitons are self-similar; that is, their shape
http://www.mit.edu/~soljacic/fractal-optics_NatPhot.pdf




As convoluted as it sounds
Dr Corum from Viziv used in his papers  2D lattice
made of air and earth called interface as the medium for Zenneck wave.
And if it was only him I would not be taking it so serious ,so demanding of careful consideration.
It is an army of scientists who have no problem with interface made of two materials  having different dielectric properties
such as :
 -two different dielectrics,
-dielectric and conductive plate
-air as dielectric and earth as  lossy conductive medium

by use of  descriptor :
-lossy conductive
we understand also
lossy  dielectric  - it is all the same but differently written.
it could be  the plate , wire, or other medium that has some conductivity and some dielectric properties
For the  interface that can  make the signal  to travel in it  important is  to have combination of the two.
But if we make medium from two different dielectrics  than that   joining edge of two of them is also  able to  allow to  wave to travel.
 

So in regards to Dr Corum and Viziv  in the first link here :
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The first recorded solitary wave was observed in the 1834 when a young engineer named John Scott Russell
but this is again classical mechanics

So what  quantum mechanics has to do with that?:
Well:

Prof. Segev  (Hebrew  University) was the first to observe 2D lattice solitons and the first to demonstrate a photonic topological insulator.
Photonic phenomena belongs to Quantum physics.
A soliton is a quantum or quasiparticle propagated as a traveling nondissipative wave
https://www.cfhu.org/news/emet-prize-announces-new-cadre-of-winners-two-are-from-hebrew-university/

So if it is
nondissipative wave
and is mentioned also in this quasiscientific article
https://www.think-aboutit.com/rediscovering-the-zenneck-surface-wave/

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Propagation of such a signal through a transmission line or conductive path apparently takes the form of
successive solitons that regenerate their spherical pattern much like a smoke ring vortex.
It is an enfolded structure consisting of high rotation energy in the doughnut shape
don't take it literally

We have ground for Dr Corum statement that inverse square law doesn't affect Zenneck wave the way we would expect it to affect.
We also know that  the lower is the frequency  , the lower are the losses over the distance.
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The power loss experienced by this pulsed, electrostatic discharge mode of propagation was less than 5% over 25,000  miles.
 Dr.  Van  Voorhies  says,  "...path  losses  are 0.25  dB/Mm  at  10  Hz",  which  often  is  difficult  for engineers  to  believe, 
who  are  used  to  transverse  waves,  a  resistive  medium,  and  line-of-sight  propagation  modes
https://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/IRIANNUAL2016.pdf
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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #173 on: February 18, 2020, 07:24:52 PM »
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#8
Classical Goubau G-line  transmission  -the predecessor of its other form the Zenneck wave in the interface
http://amasci.com/tesla/tmistk.html

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« Reply #174 on: February 18, 2020, 08:14:06 PM »
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#9
In analysis  of more than 200 patents and  pending applications of Dr Corum there is new  development
of additional  information that have been  discovered in existing Viziv structure and now is  implemented in new patents.

the new of what  is already known starts from page 45 and  fig 23
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/3c/95/53/ee7bf7fa504c00/US9882436.pdf
but that is very interesting.
I understand that most of you don't want to spend your time and fallow the progress.

You know already about thunderstorm that may ruin your house and change your life  but you don't care.
For me it is exciting and very entertaining
but that is me, how  about you ?

I'll analyze it  and formulate my conclussions

Wesley

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #175 on: February 19, 2020, 10:56:38 AM »
After a few experiments, I think that energy can be sent through the earth but you need to find a natural wave and put our transmission on it.
Current will flow through the earth and voltage will flow through the air.
The only problem is working at Hz but it can be modulated.

Something like that:

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #176 on: February 19, 2020, 01:42:41 PM »
You theory must be able to work with large pieces of metal that are not in the groud.

Like Kapanadze says.

Where is your circuit? How many turns, whats your driving scheme?

How does an isolated device like Schwartz plates supposed to works with this?




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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #177 on: February 19, 2020, 01:51:48 PM »
You theory must be able to work with large pieces of metal that are not in the groud.

Like Kapanadze says.

Where is your circuit? How many turns, whats your driving scheme?

How does an isolated device like Schwartz plates supposed to works with this?

I do not know what do you want.

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #178 on: February 19, 2020, 01:59:16 PM »
After a few experiments, I think that energy can be sent through the earth?

Something like that:

Results?

Helloooooooo

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Re: Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board
« Reply #179 on: February 19, 2020, 03:49:44 PM »
Results?

Helloooooooo

This is an idea, not a solution.
You have any suggestion because I would like to see something too.

 

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