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Author Topic: Have you gotten an electric Smart Meter? Has your electric bill gone up?  (Read 2103 times)

Offline e2matrix

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Smart meters are coming to my area.   There are big protests in some states.  I've read up a lot on them.  Some people say their electric bills more than doubled after a smart meter was installed.   Beside the fact that they fit the legal definition of WIRE TAPPING they also have been shown to cause house fires not to mention the EMF generated by them. 


I've seen people who were excited to get them do a 180 when they got their electric bill and could not seem to get a good answer as to why by their electric company.   Apparently utility companies charger a higher rate when you are using electricity during prime hours in the daytime and with smart meters they know when you are using power.   


Opting out costs a lot more too but maybe not as much as having the smart meter so I'm asking if anyone here has experience in how much their bills went up after a smart meter install compared to a similar time of the year before they had the meter. 




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Re: Have you gotten an electric Smart Meter? Has your electric bill gone up?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2019, 04:27:12 AM »
Hi e2matrix
I was a bit worried about them after I heard an episode on coast to coast about them causing health hazards but I have seen no ill effects as of yet, It has been about a year now since they installed it and I haven't had any noticeable difference in my electric bills. I am not saying that these haven't caused health problems with some people because I don't know for sure but I haven't had any problems with it. I would say I wouldn't want my bed to be located right on the other side of the meter and be sleeping next to it every night. So not a very scientific opinion just my experience so far good luck.

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Re: Have you gotten an electric Smart Meter? Has your electric bill gone up?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2019, 06:15:54 AM »
Thanks for your input on that.   If I may ask what area or state do you live in?   It seems many stories I've read report anything from moderate increases in bills to more than double the amount in monthly bills.   Have you compared monthly bills to the same month in a previous year when you had a standard analog meter?   


It is my belief they would not be investing in much more expensive meter equipment unless it could make them more money.  I'm sure the smart meter push is all about money and corporate greed.


Just on of many web sites with info on this:   https://stopsmartmeters.org/

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Re: Have you gotten an electric Smart Meter? Has your electric bill gone up?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2019, 06:19:31 AM »
Some more info :



Some local Pacific Power customers who’ve studied the new technology say there’s a downside to the new meters, and they are urging fellow customers to exercise an “opt out” option before the new meters are installed.


There is a concern, among other things, about a potential fire hazard. John Hill, a retired electrical engineer who recently moved to Dunsmuir, notes that the new meters lack the surge protection that the older, analog meters have. The older meters have small surge suppression tabs embedded in them which route power surges to grounding equipment and prevent the overheating of meters that can cause fires.


The fire-prevention tabs are not present in smart meters, according to a detailed report published recently by William Bathgate, an electrical engineer with 40 years’ experience working with high-tech power systems. Home fires attributed to smart meters have been reported in California, Florida, Pennsylvania, Oregon, and Nevada.


Cory Estlund is supervising installation of the new meters in our area. He acknowledges that there have been fires in the past associated with smart meters, but says those involved early, “first generation” devices and that the latest “fourth and fifth” generation smart meters won’t have the problems associated with the older ones, that the new ones meet safety standards set by the Federal Communications Commission and Underwriter Laboratories, an independent testing facility.


There are also concerns about potential health impacts. Smart meters, like cell phones and microwave ovens, emit radio frequencies that are a form of radiation. A recent study sponsored by the National Institutes of Health has linked exposure to this type of radio emission with two forms of cancer. The emissions have also been linked to less serious disorders that include insomnia and headaches. Because of these health concerns, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine has called for a moratorium on the installation of smart meters.


Much has been published on this subject, both pro and con, in recent years. One industry-sponsored white paper assures smart meter customers that “actual Radio Frequency emissions from smart meters are significantly lower than commonly used devices such as cell phones, laptop computers, microwave ovens and baby monitors.”


Pacific Power’s Estlund says that exposure to radiation is minimized by pointing the meter’s antenna away from buildings.


Customers who choose not to have smart meters installed will face a monthly charge for a manual reading of their analog meters. That fee will likely be $20 a month, according to a preliminary decision by an administrative law judge at the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC).


That decision is subject to the formal approval of the state utilities commission sometime this summer or fall. The judge also approved a one-time $75 opt-out fee for those who choose not to have smart meters, but, according to the commission’s Ratepayer Advocate, Brian Goldman, customers opting out before the smart meter rollout begins will not have to pay that one-time fee. A final decision on the opt-out fees will also be made by the commission later this year.


Vicki Gold of Mount Shasta is another concerned utility customer who’s studied numerous reports on the new meters.


“Look at all the products and technologies we were told were safe: tobacco, asbestos, nuclear power, DDT, until it was proved otherwise,” she says. “We are hearing from many neuroscientists and physicians about the biological effects of wireless radiation. They are alarmed about the health impacts of that radiation.”


Gold feels there are enough serious questions about the health impacts of radiation from smart meters to require, at least, a moratorium on their further installation.

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Re: Have you gotten an electric Smart Meter? Has your electric bill gone up?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2019, 07:18:48 AM »
Oh I agree completely and I would add to the list fluoride, GMO's, Pesticides, 5g and the list goes on  and it is all unintended consequences but why is this mot a major of study of what is happening to human body amongst all these technological advances and why it is bad for some people and not for others. I personally stay unplugged as much as I can because we just don't know all the effects yet.

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Re: Have you gotten an electric Smart Meter? Has your electric bill gone up?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2019, 07:43:17 AM »
Thanks for your input on that.   If I may ask what area or state do you live in?   It seems many stories I've read report anything from moderate increases in bills to more than double the amount in monthly bills.   Have you compared monthly bills to the same month in a previous year when you had a standard analog meter?   


It is my belief they would not be investing in much more expensive meter equipment unless it could make them more money.  I'm sure the smart meter push is all about money and corporate greed.


Just on of many web sites with info on this:   https://stopsmartmeters.org/



I missed this question, I live in New Hampshire and my monthly bill has stayed within 30.00 dollars compared to last year but we had utility rates go up recently also.

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Re: Have you gotten an electric Smart Meter? Has your electric bill gone up?
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2019, 09:40:40 AM »
Yes ~30%, When the green indicator is on the meter is reading.
They told me it was for more accurate monitoring, but they still estimate when the red is on.
They still come to my house and check the meter. That's was supposed to be eliminated.
Big scam.
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Re: Have you gotten an electric Smart Meter? Has your electric bill gone up?
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2019, 05:18:35 PM »
Thanks overcurrent and shylo for the reports.   Yes 5G is another deal they will be pushing on us that has some big question marks around it.   


It sure would be a great time to have an alternate energy device capable of powering a home now.   Seems there are a couple in the works but not fully there yet.   If battery tech would advance a little more solar (which has gotten a lot cheaper) would be a good option.   But batteries that can handle high power drain like big air conditioning and electric stoves tend to get very expensive.

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Re: Have you gotten an electric Smart Meter? Has your electric bill gone up?
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2019, 07:34:23 AM »
Best information and video yet on this subject - a well worth must see professionally done video:


https://youtu.be/8ZTiT9ZSg3Q

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Re: Have you gotten an electric Smart Meter? Has your electric bill gone up?
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2019, 04:00:00 PM »
Yes good video I just wonder why we don't see this info on main stream tv but oh yea I know the answer to that. They would of been better off hardening the grid from emp's and cme's instead they give us something that can harm you physically, mentally and monetarily and it is the same old questions is it unintended consequences , planned or just greed.

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Re: Have you gotten an electric Smart Meter? Has your electric bill gone up?
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2019, 03:37:25 PM »
It's greed ,and it's planned.
Pigs at the trough.
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Re: Have you gotten an electric Smart Meter? Has your electric bill gone up?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2019, 10:48:21 PM »
We have in germany several test sites. The one brand works wireless via about 800 mhz. So it is near 2G . The power is so low it needs lots of repeaters to realise widefield communication. The fearmongering works the wrong way.


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Re: Have you gotten an electric Smart Meter? Has your electric bill gone up?
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2019, 11:40:15 PM »
Oh I agree completely and I would add to the list fluoride, GMO's, Pesticides, 5g and the list goes on  and it is all unintended consequences but why is this mot a major of study of what is happening to human body amongst all these technological advances and why it is bad for some people and not for others. I personally stay unplugged as much as I can because we just don't know all the effects yet.

good list! Not comprehensive though. Why do you think it is unintended?

I'm almost 3 years into looking into stuff that are just plain old lies. I gotta say there are just few things that are not a lie.

Just pick anything on the news these days and start pulling all the studies that were made on the subject. Now what studies you here on the new and what are the studies you never hear about? Like the CEO of Epicyte being all giddy about the GMO they created, that will make mice sterile after 3 generations. Do you get hat on Fox News? No you don't

I think the global plan is to feed the population with just lies so that have no clue on what is real and what is not. I mean what a great way of controlling the masses!

It is really hard to find anything that is not scam nowadays.


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Re: Have you gotten an electric Smart Meter? Has your electric bill gone up?
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2019, 06:05:20 AM »
Hi Belfior

I have struggled with the unintended or not question for a while and still don't know for sure. Say their was a group such as the illuminati or something they started many generations ago so through all these years you would think that one of their children would have rebelled and spilled the beans. Then their are the builderburg group but that is to in your face for anything so devious as population reduction and then their is the bohemian grove group which does stay pretty secret so who knows. I do look at the Tesla story and see that was just human greed not a large group conspiracy trying to steer population in any direction just JP Morgan worrying about his pocket book however he did steer the population in a direction imagine what a different world it would be today if Tesla was given funding and encourage to keep going.

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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2019, 10:04:33 AM »
There have been conspiracies longer we have had writing. It was ok even to talk about them, until the CIA put a "stop" to that by inventing the phrase "conspiracy theory". Anybody asking valid questions is now a conspiracy theorist and crazy. Just move along. Nothing to see here.

Illuminati was formed around 1770, but it is still going strong http://www.lovethetruth.com/books/13_bloodlines/rothschild_02.htm


"...one of their children would have rebelled and spilled the beans"

there have been many in the Rothschilds family that have spoken out. Same thing with the UFO scene. There are thousands of witnesses even from the military and governments. If they are not from other planets, then we have the technology to overcome gravity and flying with planes is just making money for somebody.

The population reduction started when Malthus came up with his theories, that population will grow exponentially and that the Earth can support at maximum 3 billion people. He claimed we need harsh methods to keep it down and that it is the strongest that need to do this. Then Darwin's family bought the manuscript from his assistant and evolution became Darwin's idea. The whole idea of that book is to show, that the white race is the apex of humanity and by that right it can kill wrong colored people and to take what ever resources it needs.

They can take Australia and rename the locals to ab-originals meaning "not from here". So since nobody is the original tenant, then you can grab what you can. You have the riffle. They don't. As soon as their legs got dry on the beach, they turned around, saw a boat on the horizon and said "who are those people, that are trying to come into OUR country?".

Every person on this planet can fit into Australia and have a half acre of land to grow vegetables in. Queensland would be still mostly empty. Rest of the planet would be empty. Is that overpopulation?
We already have the food supply to feed everybody, but we rather bury the food in the ground than ship it to Africa. This is just one way of culling the wrong colored people.

One of the longest conspiracies is 2000y old...

I would say the Tesla story is more than just human greed. It is still going on. What we learn in school is just special cases that justify the enormous costs of producing energy. If they could burn diamonds to create energy they would do that.

Lets say I make 5 trillion dollars per year selling energy (like they do). Why on earth would I let some kid from school invent something that takes that money and power away from me? So I can easily use 2 trillion per year to keep it like it is. I decide what universities study, because I give them the funds. I decide what the engineers are studying, because I tell the schools what kinda workers I need. We are still using 150y old technology, because that costs a bunch. Schools produce technicians that can copy that technology and Phds that are like priests. They march in the front proudly with their diplomas and they keep repeating the message. "You can never get more out than in. You need a complete circuit to pass any current. BackEMF is bad. Resonance is bad. These are the accepted natural laws!"

Just read Heaviside and Gustave Le Bon. You would be amazed how their writing difers from the current engineering textbooks and yet Heaviside is still applauded for "cracking" the Maxwell equations.

Just pick any topic. We are living in the matrix basically. Reality is somewhere hidden and we carry on keeping our farts in, so that the climate change won't boil our lakes.

That is a good topic. Climate change. If you are not yet completely brainwashed, I'll give you a few questions and you try to find out are they true or not?

1. Climate has changed for 4,5 billion years. Is it caused by humans? Can we now stop it somehow?
2. Has the temperature changed before? (google interglacial and vostok ice core samples)
3. Can CO2 cause the temperature rise, when it rises 800-1400 years AFTER the temperature rises?Like does the smoke cause California's forest fires? Should we ban smoke?
4. CO2 is a bad greenhouse gas. It does not reflect that much at all. Everything on this planet grows from this clear, non-toxic gas. That is what the plants are made out of
5. Have the sea levels risen before? I don't know. Like between every ice age?
6. When glaciers melt in Greenland, what happens to ice sheets in Antarctica?
7. We should be having the next ice age now. Where is it and why are we not talking about that? A way of culling 3-4 billion people at once maybe?
8. Why is the IPCC lying?
9. 64 papers out of the 12000 in the "97,5% climate consensus" study said man causes the climate change. Is that 97,5% ?


Everything uses energy. When we use energy, we make CO2. Controlling CO2 controls who uses energy on this planet. The whole climate change hysteria is a just a way of clamping down energy usage for some countries, so others can stay ahead.

Global dominance is done by controlling energy, armies and money. IPCC controls the energy, US controls the armies and IMF&World Bank control the money.

PNAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century) listed several countries, that need to be taken out so the US can dominate the world. What is left on that list today? Just Iran and North-Korea?

What gave the US the right to go around to world and execute this PNAC plan?

"Written before the September 11 attacks, and during political debates of the War in Iraq, a section of Rebuilding America's Defenses entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force" became the subject of considerable controversy: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."[45] Journalist John Pilger pointed to this passage when he argued that Bush administration had used the events of September 11 as an opportunity to capitalize on long-desired plans.[48]"

So no conspiracies? We are living in one

 

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