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Offline forest

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #150 on: December 12, 2013, 08:53:46 AM »
Consider this : instead of energy transfer from primary to secondary of transformer  there is exact copy of energy created in secondary. I have advanced this theory some years ago after looking at Melnichenko video, but it require very precise mesurements to prove. Melnichenko was close obtaining almost 200% efficiency by powering one bulb on secondary and one on primary from the same source current. JackNoSkills thread is also about that. ;)

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #151 on: December 12, 2013, 12:55:53 PM »
poynt99,
you mixed it up !

The upper red math trace above the zero line is the consumption from the grid  , so 78 Watts is consumed and 82 Watts is returned to the Grid, so the circuit seems to produce still 4 Watts of overunity power from the viewpoint of the grid and pumps these 4 Watts  into the grid.

Therewhile the bulbs still produce around 10 to 25 Watts of real active ohmic heating light power and the transformer heats up from hysteresis losses , so the real heating  iron losses !

But still the power company charges you for using around 80 Watts via the mechanical grid power meter measuring the total abolsute current
value and not the complex mathematical value !
They measure, as if the same values of current and voltage would be in phase...

Stefan,

I agree with you ON THE SCOPE, the upper part of the math is what is used and the lower part is what is returned to the Grid.
The scope has the ability to set a probe for use as current or voltage. Multiply the current by 10 as CSR is 0.1 Ohm.

I don't agree with you on power factor!
A power factor of Zero cannot be charged and mostly by those old mechanical meters. I have one and the wheel stops turning even before I get to a 90 degrees phase shift.  Even smart meters cannot charge you for a power factor of zero. Anything above they can charge and the mechanical meters start turning when above a PF of 0.13 since they are set for an average PF of 0.87
Smart meters can measure PF form 1 to .01
A PF of 0.5 is the same charge as a PF of 1. A PF of 0.75 is more costly then a PF of 1, so this is where you want to make PF corrections.
A PF of 0.25 will be half the charge of PF of 0.5 and a PF of 0.00 is free of charge as it is considered wattless power and electrical engineers have been educated that you cannot get real power out of anything operating at a power factor of zero. Just ask Farmhand, he even posted that some pages back.

Here is what the expert Farmhand has posted on page 7 of this topic
It is best to try tune for a power factor of 1 not 0.0 a power factor of 0.0 means zero net power is supplied to the load and all reactive power is returned to the supply, none left for the load, so somewhere there is a mistake.

Cheers

From what I now know and have proven to myself and shared with you all is: the only mistake is to believe what they have been teaching in Universities around the world.

The very reason I built a generator turned by an electric motor is to test if a circuit operating on a PF of Zero will have an effect on the Generator prime mover (mini Grid equivalent).
My generator load test is the only one available on the internet which proves you can have a power factor of Zero, output over 20 Watts of Real Power and have Zero effect reflected back to the prime mover. Just that in itself is amazing since engineers like Farmhand an so on say it's impossible to do.

TO EVERYONE
Please note, I feel I have given much and all you need has been written, so I don't care if you don't believe this has value or not. I will stop wasting my time on forums and use it to develop the effect.

All the best in your research

Luc

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #152 on: December 12, 2013, 10:07:12 PM »
Hi Luc,
1.  who did lock the thread ?
Was it you ?

2. Anyway, so please let us know, did the scope now show the real current on the shunt
or is its real value now 10 times higher ?
So what is the exact real absolute value of the current ? 320 mA or 3.2  Amps  in your last test ?

3. Maybe the power factor and not charging for reactive current is different in the US and Canada to Europe ?
I did not reaearch this yet , but I always thought and could remember that I was always told
that the meters over here also charge for reactive current...

As I just saw in this article:

http://www.nlcpr.com/Deceptions1.php

it seems to be not the case in the USA, but power companies
don´t like it, cause they have to finance the bigger transformers and bigger diameter lines (so more used expensive copper)
cause more current flow with lots of reactive power.

So maybe I just fell for the advertisement of the Power Factor Correction boxes ?
(Although I still think that they make much sense and the power companies surely love them)


4. Luc, Why do you think that you will be charged the most at Power Factor= 0.75 ?
Is this really the case ? Does it have to do with MDI (or Maximum Demand Indicator) Penalty ?

Or are these disc based mechanical power meters set to count the most and run the fastest at this phase angle ?

 Hmm, maybe it is different in Europe, so I have to research this and please don´t close the thread again
cause we also want to hear from others who are replicating your work.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #152 on: December 12, 2013, 10:07:12 PM »
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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #153 on: December 12, 2013, 10:14:44 PM »
Yes Stefan, I locked the topic!... do you not read what I write? I wrote it in big letters also

Please keep this topic locked so not to clutter it with infinite discussions

If you want to keep discussions going please start another topic and place the link to it and re-lock the topic.

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #154 on: December 12, 2013, 10:35:28 PM »

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #155 on: January 18, 2014, 08:17:04 PM »
To all who have not been following the 2nd forum topic which Stefan has posted the link to in the above post.

Here is the last update:

User id poynt99 has identified an error in my scope settings. I was using AC coupling in my scope probe settings when it should be set to DC coupling for correct power calculations. I'm not the only one that was doing this. Two other experimenters have said they were doing the same thing.
I've since re-tested everything with the scope on DC coupling and now see no real power gain or advantages in the circuit compared to when the scope was set to AC coupling. There is a big difference in results from AC to DC coupling as far as scope math is concerned.
It's also clear that a plug in watt meter cannot calculate a 90 degrees phase shift power correctly. So results using just that need to be questioned.
 
As for my generator tests, even though when my circuit was connected to the generator output and had no effect on the gen prime mover the energy source has been identified by user id TinMan. The power to my circuit was a transfer of power from the gens exciter field which coincided no effect back to the prime mover.
 
So two different things happening which made the results look good but now looks like there's no real power gain after all.
Maybe reactive power can be used to an advantage if you had a circuit that could use the return cap discharges (at 45 degree) and convert it to mechanical power (like I thought my generator was doing) or shore it in a battery. But none of this is happening if using single phase grid or gen. A 90 degrees phase shift for the single phase grid is like a short circuit and the wires just heat up.
 
That's where things are at this time and wishing you all the best in your experiments
 
Luc

 

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