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Title: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on September 06, 2019, 08:25:16 AM
Hi Over Unity I spent this past month studying what I could find from Steven Mark's Toroid Power Unity and decided to start building a small study version ....
I would like someone to help you understand the assembly correctly and some tips on wiring ....

I made a small 12 x 5 cm toroid.
The collector has 3 layers of wire with the first and second having 11 turns and the third used a slightly thicker wire totaling nine turns ...

The controllers used the same 14-wire Green / Yellow wire and the 14-wire thick white wire.

What I could find in Steven mark's messages is that sometimes he talks about potential difference ... So I used a different wire layer too so I can use it as a kick to start the magnetic loop ...

Now I have some questions that I would like to be helped so that I can take proper care and concern when starting the tests with the frequencies ....

1. The two wires left of the winding of the 3 coils of my collector I will use for output, is that right?

2. I need to create a mechanism for frequency cancellation, right? so that it does not go into a loop that is not returning and different than expected ... I do it on my control coils right ??? Just interrupting the frequencies I'll be sending is enough for the device to turn off if it's producing any voltage ...

3. Is it easier to try to harmonize the device by testing separate frequencies for each control coil or is it better to leave them all in sequence and use an input-only signal for modulation ??? I have a control coil with a slightly thicker wire to try to kick the collecting coil ...

4. I do not have a frequency generating equipment so I am thinking of using my computer and testing from music production software by sending the notes via a virtual keyboard to the device ... is it feasible ??? Would you have to plug in a 5 volt transformer to amplify the signal ???
Would anyone have a more appropriate idea ???

Well, the ideas that came into my mind have only reached this small level of understanding ... I know ... I would be grateful if anyone were interested in giving me some direction in the right direction so that I don't end up doing something stupid. .

Gratitude....
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 11, 2019, 11:29:40 AM
Hi Over Unity I spent this past month studying what I could find from Steven Mark's Toroid Power Unity and decided to start building a small study version ....
I would like someone to help you understand the assembly correctly and some tips on wiring ....

I made a small 12 x 5 cm toroid.
The collector has 3 layers of wire with the first and second having 11 turns and the third used a slightly thicker wire totaling nine turns ...

The controllers used the same 14-wire Green / Yellow wire and the 14-wire thick white wire.

What I could find in Steven mark's messages is that sometimes he talks about potential difference ... So I used a different wire layer too so I can use it as a kick to start the magnetic loop ...

Now I have some questions that I would like to be helped so that I can take proper care and concern when starting the tests with the frequencies ....

1. The two wires left of the winding of the 3 coils of my collector I will use for output, is that right?

2. I need to create a mechanism for frequency cancellation, right? so that it does not go into a loop that is not returning and different than expected ... I do it on my control coils right ??? Just interrupting the frequencies I'll be sending is enough for the device to turn off if it's producing any voltage ...

3. Is it easier to try to harmonize the device by testing separate frequencies for each control coil or is it better to leave them all in sequence and use an input-only signal for modulation ??? I have a control coil with a slightly thicker wire to try to kick the collecting coil ...

4. I do not have a frequency generating equipment so I am thinking of using my computer and testing from music production software by sending the notes via a virtual keyboard to the device ... is it feasible ??? Would you have to plug in a 5 volt transformer to amplify the signal ???
Would anyone have a more appropriate idea ???

Well, the ideas that came into my mind have only reached this small level of understanding ... I know ... I would be grateful if anyone were interested in giving me some direction in the right direction so that I don't end up doing something stupid. .

Gratitude....

Dear crashangel.

You have almost stumbled upon the right coil configuration.
You are almost there but you missed some crucial points.

Here is some safety information about the materials you used for the coils:

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By the way, we found that ordinary multi strand lamp cable
worked very well for use as a collector.
Thick gage wire can dissipate the heat very well but there are two
problems.
First the heavy gage wire isn't as efficient as the multi strand copper and
also there is a safety advantage in using the multi strand lamp cable.
If the unit goes too far on frequency it may begin to convert too
much current and try to dissipate way too much voltage.
The multi strand wire will just burn up and open the circuit whereas the
heavy gage wire will continue to conduct until there will be the equivalent
of a lightning strike of the unit.


Here is some info from the docs on the collector coil:

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The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils.
Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together./td]


1.
These horizontal coils are your collector:

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You can do many things with three coils.
You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.

2.
No you do not need a mechanism of cancellation, this pattern is a result of how the coils interact with each other and the combination of feed frequencies: 

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with the right combination of frequencies, you can actually create a revolving field with inertial!

3.
There is some information about the frequency feeds:

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you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference.
The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.

Please do not take this lightly.
The frequency components are critical to your level of success.
You won't succeed with a battery and a diode.

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You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be.

But remember this:

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First frequency then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.

So this means that there is a relationship between these signals.

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Most of the most successful units we made had control wiring run or wrapped vertically over the horizontal collector wires.
You can se them in the units in some of the videos under black plastic covering.
They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires.
They were run in multiple segments.each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and or from a collector section to help perpetuate the oscillationand control.

So this shows that there is also a link between collectors and control coils.
From this you can extract a lot of usable information if you read it carefully.

4.
A sound card is very limited and you might damage your computer. ( this happened to me way back in 2006)
It can only go up to about a 20 KiloHertz.

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I made an amp and had a really difficult time with a 35K resonance.
I had so much trouble with it that I finally left the resonance there.
I last measured it at 35.705K at a really high level.
It is a good thing that I can't hear that high.
But it does prove that my output transformer is capable of going up to 245K HZ.
Which I measured.

Luckily we have seen a microprocessor boom and you can order ready made usable controller boards everywhere on the net.
It's not hard to learn how to program these things and they run on crystal so they are rock solid.

My findings were as follows, do it right, know why you do what you do.
Don't wrap a coil and hope that it will magically start to deliver electricity when you hook it up to your sound card.
There is more to it.
Realize that because it is important.
Many people have wasted so much time on this.
Make sure you do it right.

if you want to re read the docs i composed, i will attach a copy.
And there is more info some was never published but i would have to look for it specifically in my archives.
If you think you need it let me know.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on September 11, 2019, 09:48:25 PM
Dear crashangel.

You have almost stumbled upon the right coil configuration.
You are almost there but you missed some crucial points.

Here is some safety information about the materials you used for the coils:


Here is some info from the docs on the collector coil:


1.
These horizontal coils are your collector:

2.
No you do not need a mechanism of cancellation, this pattern is a result of how the coils interact with each other and the combination of feed frequencies: 

3.
There is some information about the frequency feeds:

Please do not take this lightly.
The frequency components are critical to your level of success.
You won't succeed with a battery and a diode.

But remember this:

So this means that there is a relationship between these signals.

So this shows that there is also a link between collectors and control coils.
From this you can extract a lot of usable information if you read it carefully.

4.
A sound card is very limited and you might damage your computer. ( this happened to me way back in 2006)
It can only go up to about a 20 KiloHertz.

Luckily we have seen a microprocessor boom and you can order ready made usable controller boards everywhere on the net.
It's not hard to learn how to program these things and they run on crystal so they are rock solid.

My findings were as follows, do it right, know why you do what you do.
Don't wrap a coil and hope that it will magically start to deliver electricity when you hook it up to your sound card.
There is more to it.
Realize that because it is important.
Many people have wasted so much time on this.
Make sure you do it right.

if you want to re read the docs i composed, i will attach a copy.
And there is more info some was never published but i would have to look for it specifically in my archives.
If you think you need it let me know.

Hmmm ... I understand what you are telling me ...

I need to study and learn even more to be able to reach a higher level of understanding ... I have realized that just the basic understanding of the mechanism will not help me much in all the challenges that I have yet to face ... SM wrote that it is necessary We had the understanding of vacuum tubes first and that would help in developing these devices .... Do you know any good books to point me out?

Gratitude!!! ;)
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: citfta on September 11, 2019, 11:25:45 PM
The best books for learning electronics are the ARRL Amateur Radio Operators handbooks.  If you can find an older copy from back in the 1960s they will have good info about vacuum tubes.  They usually come out with a new edition every few years but only the older ones of course will have info about vacuum tubes.  You can usually find the older ones on ebay or Amazon.  And of course another option would be an online course that covers the older theories of electronics.


Good luck and welcome to the forum.
Carroll
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: gyulasun on September 12, 2019, 12:09:29 AM
Hello crashangel,
Search engines can also help you find good books.
http://milas.spb.ru/~kmg/files/literature/Morgan_Jones_Valve_Amplifiers_Third_Edition.pdf (http://milas.spb.ru/~kmg/files/literature/Morgan_Jones_Valve_Amplifiers_Third_Edition.pdf)
PS In your 1st post you attached a picture that is oversized and widens this thread very much. 
This is because your horizontal picture size is 3680 pixels and forum software is set to accomodate
only 900 or so horizontal pixel numbers without widening the thread.
Unfortunately, you cannot edit your 1st post any more but next time please consider picture size
when you wish to upload.

Gyula
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on September 12, 2019, 04:39:20 AM
Hello crashangel,
Search engines can also help you find good books.
http://milas.spb.ru/~kmg/files/literature/Morgan_Jones_Valve_Amplifiers_Third_Edition.pdf (http://milas.spb.ru/~kmg/files/literature/Morgan_Jones_Valve_Amplifiers_Third_Edition.pdf)
PS In your 1st post you attached a picture that is oversized and widens this thread very much. 
This is because your horizontal picture size is 3680 pixels and forum software is set to accomodate
only 900 or so horizontal pixel numbers without widening the thread.
Unfortunately, you cannot edit your 1st post any more but next time please consider picture size
when you wish to upload.


Ok !  :-[

Thanks !!!

Gyula
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 14, 2019, 02:28:44 PM
Don't worry about it.

You do not have to experiment with tubes or high voltage transformers.
In stead you can look at a cheap micro controller board with usb and breakout capabilities.
For example like Arduino or Raspberry.
This way you can program it using your computer and break out an opto coupler driven mosfet ir igbt power module to drive your coils.
It's all readily available and because of this you are in a good position.

Its also very easy to program them so i do not see any reason as to why you should not continue your current path.
The chances on a successful outcome, have never been better.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 14, 2019, 09:25:55 PM
TPU has been discussed numeral times.
Nobody knows how TPU works.
I am interested in your attempt of building it.
I am still curious about its principle!

Give it a try!
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 14, 2019, 10:14:51 PM
By the way, I found this on other TPU thread.
Maybe it helps.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on September 15, 2019, 08:47:58 AM
Don't worry about it.

You do not have to experiment with tubes or high voltage transformers.
In stead you can look at a cheap micro controller board with usb and breakout capabilities.
For example like Arduino or Raspberry.
This way you can program it using your computer and break out an opto coupler driven mosfet ir igbt power module to drive your coils.
It's all readily available and because of this you are in a good position.

Its also very easy to program them so i do not see any reason as to why you should not continue your current path.
The chances on a successful outcome, have never been better.

Hummm!!!!

Great answer!!!!
I have been devoted to analyzing and still learning by watching the journey of all previous posts and events here on the overunity forum as well as how Bruce TPU's journey followed ....

I am having some ideas and I will follow the parameters of a new TPU with a separate controller for each coil as it appeared in some later posts ...
In favor of this I have some experience with Keshe Magrav technology in creating copper caustic soda nano coating ... which can be measured the power in devices producing power through plasma ... I know that is not exactly the specialized area of people here but can help me answer some of the gaps more easily as plasma provides a kind of energetic river running through the copper wire that can have measurable results without the need for a kick ... which I invariably know I still need to be doing even so...
The factor of putting frequencies in a coil has appeared to be quite real and it really works ... It seems to me that some have already solved these problems and know the answers and solutions that I will need to find in this turnaround challenge. ... I also agree and it seems very correct to me since no one in terms of power generation could achieve something undeserved ...

I know everyone is intent on helping me ... I will build new devices and try loops inside some aleton live audio software and see how our learning will unfold ....


I can already see and it seemed very authentic watching the videos of SM that the device really has a resistance and that has a vortex energy happening repeatedly ... I have a plasma device also here at home ... but that works with a lot less power .... The power generation for me is quite interesting ... but if I could have this twig working and also add the healing effects layer to amplify what I have on my device would really be the purposes I have Searched lately ... All the research I found and searching the far ends of the Internet I came across UFOs devices ... There is no way ... And I realized that well being and human health has always been linked to their access and control. devices and knowledge .... I am not religious ... but it seems to me quite realistic and prudent to be aware of whatever you are doing ...

I walk i don't have full english fluency ... i am using google translate ... some prepositions may appear incorrectly ... sorry ...


Gratitude....
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 16, 2019, 05:56:14 PM
And on a side note i would advice you to stick to the documentation AND TO STAY AWAY FROM BRUCE for as far as possible.
It's a dead end.

Also and this is important, i would advice you to stick to the documentation, and do not try to compare to another technology or device, or to try and explain the device.
Those attempts are futile, in stead stick to the documents and use the WYSIWYG approach.

The docs never make any mention of a plasma but it does mention atomic, you can use keywords to search for things.

The coil configuration is in there and the fact that the frequency's have a harmonic relationship, and that something happens at a specific frequency combination, which is realted to the diameter or circumference of the collector coil.

This is a decent amount of information to get you started.

You do not have to listen to others.
You do not have to look at other devices.
You do not have to look for possible operational mechanism.

Everything you add will only result in more doubt and or more confusion.
You best bet would be to do exactly what the man wrote.

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on September 17, 2019, 08:56:21 AM
And on a side note i would advice you to stick to the documentation AND TO STAY AWAY FROM BRUCE for as far as possible.
It's a dead end.

Also and this is important, i would advice you to stick to the documentation, and do not try to compare to another technology or device, or to try and explain the device.
Those attempts are futile, in stead stick to the documents and use the WYSIWYG approach.

The docs never make any mention of a plasma but it does mention atomic, you can use keywords to search for things.

The coil configuration is in there and the fact that the frequency's have a harmonic relationship, and that something happens at a specific frequency combination, which is realted to the diameter or circumference of the collector coil.

This is a decent amount of information to get you started.

You do not have to listen to others.
You do not have to look at other devices.
You do not have to look for possible operational mechanism.

Everything you add will only result in more doubt and or more confusion.
You best bet would be to do exactly what the man wrote.




Hmmm ... understood ...
It really seems to be the right thing to do ....
One more question I know I'll need before building a new device ...
How do I find out or calculate how often I will be using my pickup coil?

would anyone have any examples of the dimensions or documentation of a constructed coil that generated some kind of passing result? Following in someone's footsteps seems reliable and would also help a lot from the same point where a gap lies to be resolved ...

Thanks...
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: icarus on September 17, 2019, 02:42:49 PM
An easy way to create 3 individually controllable frequencies is to use arduino.
I am attaching a very simple code that allows you to have 3 frequencies adjustable from 40 Hz to 2 MHz with duty cycle variable from 1 to 99%.

If you add a potentiometer (connected to the arduino output pin with the other two arms on the ground and positive) you can adjust the frequency on the fly. Same thing for duty cycle.

Before connecting mosfets use optocouplers, if you want them to last.

I have used it keeping a fixed (fundamental) frequency and determining the other two as third and fifth, as if it were a major music chord. As usual, no result.

Ciao

Icarus
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on September 17, 2019, 04:24:55 PM
An easy way to create 3 individually controllable frequencies is to use arduino.
I am attaching a very simple code that allows you to have 3 frequencies adjustable from 40 Hz to 2 MHz with duty cycle variable from 1 to 99%.

If you add a potentiometer (connected to the arduino output pin with the other two arms on the ground and positive) you can adjust the frequency on the fly. Same thing for duty cycle.

Before connecting mosfets use optocouplers, if you want them to last.

I have used it keeping a fixed (fundamental) frequency and determining the other two as third and fifth, as if it were a major music chord. As usual, no result.

Ciao

Icarus

Thanks a lot for this offer. Unfortunately it seems that it didn't uploaded right. But you can copy paste the code on a post here if you have some time. :)

Turbo:

Thanks for the pdf. You mentioned about a link between control coils and collector. Do you mean a physical link? It would have some meaning as SM spoke about vortex and rotating magnetic fields in two planes. Also it would be really much appreciated if you could upload the missing info that you mentioned about.

Regards
Jeg
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 18, 2019, 12:35:13 AM
Thanks a lot for this offer. Unfortunately it seems that it didn't uploaded right. But you can copy paste the code on a post here if you have some time. :)

Turbo:

Thanks for the pdf. You mentioned about a link between control coils and collector. Do you mean a physical link? It would have some meaning as SM spoke about vortex and rotating magnetic fields in two planes. Also it would be really much appreciated if you could upload the missing info that you mentioned about.

Regards
Jeg

Yes it's a physical link.

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Most of the most successful units we made had control wiring run or wrapped vertically over the horizontal collector wires.
You can se them in the units in some of the videos under black plastic covering.
They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires.
They were run in multiple segments.

each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and
or from a collector section to help perpetuate the oscillationand
control.



This probably is some sort of feedback loop to feed back power back into the field to increase it's intensity or to force a directional component.
I do not want to go into a deep theory but i will say this:

The field around a coil grows and shrinks, as such it does not have a real directional component it just increases and decreases in it's intensity.

If your goal was to create a directional field you would have to use another coil to push or pull this growing and shrinking field.
Steven referred to this as squeezing the hose;

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You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose.
Picture a hose with water in it.
If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving.
You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water along as well.
And you could do both to control the movement of the water more precisely.
You can think of the movement of water as the movement of electrons through the collector coils.


Another method to create a directional movement is when you switch from coil to coil, the minimum number required for a definite direction will be 3.

When you cut the current on a coil it will produce a high voltage spike.
This spike is the high speed imploding magnetic field, which collapses into the coil that generated it.
It doesn't really have a directional component because it shrinks evenly fast at all sides at the same time.
If you were to have the ability to control this implosion and force (or fire) it in one direction over a wire, by using other fields, the results could be unexpected.

I came to this conclusion after the transformer experiment.
Steven wrote:

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Anyway, I have taken a high voltage power supply as follows:
500 v-0-500 v 300 mV plate transformer run it through a full wave silicon circuit then run it through a 5U4 electron tube rectifier.
Now you know that the 5U4 requires 5 volts AC at 3 amps for its heater to gather the electrons and complete the circuit.
Well, I measured the output from the tube and the result is 500 volts DC at 250 mV.
The loss is due to the high impedance of the tube and its limited ability to dissipate more than 250 mA..
The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current!
They are both completely independent of each other except for some very interesting things I will mention to you some other
time..

First of all, obviously you can have several different output components in the power output signal.
You can have DC and AC together without any problem.


In this example you can find the following clue:
One half of the AC cycle the current is moving in the same direction or polarity, as the DC voltage, while the other half of the AC sine wave, the current will run in opposite direction from the DC voltage.

The DC voltage is dominating because it is at a much stronger level, so although the AC current runs in opposing direction in one half of the sine wave cycle, the result is always moving in one direction, the direction of the DC.

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You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but with some hash in it.

You can have DC and AC together without any problem.


Another element is that when you power up a coil with a constant DC voltage, the field becomes polarized.
The way it was explained to me is that (most) of the electrons spins inside metals will all line up in the same direction either at 0 or 180 degrees.
And then, in that polarized field, these spins can be precisely controlled by applying a high frequency RF field.
This ties into nuclear magnetic resonance, i didn't want to go there, but here we are.
 
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The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end.

In the early units magnets were used to constitute the polarized DC field, in fact Steven was working with speakers and (double) voice coils which are also inside of a strong permanent magnetic field, and he was trying to create spatial sound effects, which incorporated feeding noise and delayed signals into these coils, somewhat later Steven wrote about 15 inch speakers, alas, the TPU is a gigantic nuclear powered triple voicecoil.

This is what happens when you start to theorize about the things that could be, and it is also why i mentioned sticking to the script, because in reality we just don't know.
But the man mentioned the atomic energy commission and a nuclear connection so thats been my primary direction of thought.

If it is, then it should not be hard to find, but it requires a definite and very targeted approach in taking on the correct sequence of actions that will eventually lead to the discovery of the so sought after result.

I will look for the archives.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on September 18, 2019, 02:04:07 AM
Holy mother of god ...  :o hehehe :D
There are many parameters that need to be very well aligned, defined and synchronized for this device to work ...

I will take into consideration everything everyone is teaching me and try to pay as much attention as possible at the time of construction and initial testing ...

Gratitude...
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on September 18, 2019, 08:02:35 AM
Yes it's a physical link.

Like keshe coils (first image). When current flows we have a growing magnetic field in two planes. In the document you uploaded, SM called it as a ball shape magnetic field (due to rotation). Think of the shape of a normal inductor which creates the classic donut flux shape magnetic field but... rotating. (Second image). The overall shape would be indeed like a ball.
An other reason that points to a physical connection is simply that there is no induction between two perpendicular coils. What ever frequency someone uses at his control coils there is no way to affect the collector coils.

What makes me wonder is SM's statement about the correct set of frequencies depending on the circumference of the device. Difficult for me to comprehend it except... if his collectors are just one turn around the ciscumference. If they consist of more than one turns in series, then i find it more appropriate to go with the total length of the coils and not by the circumference.

In general i think that it is a game of trying to magnify a stationery wave by using some of its harmonics. 1-3-5 as mentioned in previous page look quite convincing for doing this. But needs synchronization between frequency components of cource!

Regards



Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: icarus on September 18, 2019, 08:13:00 AM
Ok, this is the code:

//this sketch produces 3 signals on output pins 3, 5 and 9, with adjustable frequency and duty cycle
//minimum frequency 36 Hz max 2MHz

#include <PWM.h>

void setup() {
  int dc1; //duty cycle from 1 to 100
  int dc2;
  int dc3;
 
  Serial.begin(9600);
 
  InitTimers();

  long freq_1 = 40000 ; //frequency 1
  long freq_2 = 90000;  //frequency 2
  long freq_3 = 10000;  //frequency 3

  SetPinFrequency(3, freq_1); //pin out on 3 5 e 9
  SetPinFrequency(5, freq_2);
  SetPinFrequency(9, freq_3);
 
  dc1=20;  //duty cycle settings
  dc2=10;
  dc3=50;
 
  pwmWrite(3, (256*dc1)/100);
  pwmWrite(5, (256*dc2)/100);
  pwmWrite(9, (256*dc3)/100);

}

void loop() {
}
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on September 18, 2019, 08:25:14 AM
Ok, this is the code:

//this sketch produces 3 signals on output pins 3, 5 and 9, with adjustable frequency and duty cycle
//minimum frequency 36 Hz max 2MHz

#include <PWM.h>

void setup() {
  int dc1; //duty cycle from 1 to 100
  int dc2;
  int dc3;
 
  Serial.begin(9600);
 
  InitTimers();

  long freq_1 = 40000 ; //frequency 1
  long freq_2 = 90000;  //frequency 2
  long freq_3 = 10000;  //frequency 3

  SetPinFrequency(3, freq_1); //pin out on 3 5 e 9
  SetPinFrequency(5, freq_2);
  SetPinFrequency(9, freq_3);
 
  dc1=20;  //duty cycle settings
  dc2=10;
  dc3=50;
 
  pwmWrite(3, (256*dc1)/100);
  pwmWrite(5, (256*dc2)/100);
  pwmWrite(9, (256*dc3)/100);

}

void loop() {
}

Just great.
Appreciated! ;)
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 18, 2019, 10:42:54 AM
Like keshe coils (first image). When current flows we have a growing magnetic field in two planes. In the document you uploaded, SM called it as a ball shape magnetic field (due to rotation). Think of the shape of a normal inductor which creates the classic donut flux shape magnetic field but... rotating. (Second image). The overall shape would be indeed like a ball.
An other reason that points to a physical connection is simply that there is no induction between two perpendicular coils. What ever frequency someone uses at his control coils there is no way to affect the collector coils.

What makes me wonder is SM's statement about the correct set of frequencies depending on the circumference of the device. Difficult for me to comprehend it except... if his collectors are just one turn around the ciscumference. If they consist of more than one turns in series, then i find it more appropriate to go with the total length of the coils and not by the circumference.

In general i think that it is a game of trying to magnify a stationery wave by using some of its harmonics. 1-3-5 as mentioned in previous page look quite convincing for doing this. But needs synchronization between frequency components of cource!

Regards

I can certainly see some similarities in that picture.
There is just one difference i do not know if that picture has one or more turns, but they seem to be interleaved.
And Steven was very specific about it when he wrote:

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About the collector:
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved.
Three is important.


For a long time we thought it was 3 separate coils stacked on top of one another but when Steven saw this design, he mentioned that it was wrong.

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Sent to: tao on: June 28, 2006, 04:04:44 AM
Tao,By the way.. When Steven said that you have the secret he said in another mail among other things that
you have the collector and contol winding relationship the wrong way..Ie excitation into control... allows the
collector the perform magnetic conversion.


So i eventually came to the conclusion that i had to be 3 horizontal coils on top of each other in the horizontal plane.

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What makes me wonder is SM's statement about the correct set of frequencies depending on the circumference of the device. Difficult for me to comprehend it except... if his collectors are just one turn around the ciscumference. If they consist of more than one turns in series, then i find it more appropriate to go with the total length of the coils and not by the circumference.

Steven was very specific in his writings about the frequency's he wrote that were directly related to either the circumference, or the diameter of the coil.
Not so much the length of wire which you would expect in terms of wavelength.
The large units had a slow vibration but the smaller ones vibrated at a higher frequency.

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In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference.
The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.


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I made an amp and had a really difficult time with a 35K resonance.
I had so much trouble with it that I finally left the resonance there.
I last measured it at 35.705K at a really high level.
It is a good thing that I can't hear that high.
But it does prove that my output transformer is capable of going up to 245 KHZ.
Which I measured.
HEY, did you know that the frequency is proportional to the speaker's circumference?
it appears that the frequency should change with the circumference of the speaker.
That makes sense to you does it?
No one I have talked to realizes that yet.

I use 15" speakers myself.

They are 15" from the dead center of the outside flange to the other sides flange.
You know transistors just don't do well at those high frequencies.
They try hard but they just make all sorts of harmonics all over the place.
dirty things transistors.
MOSFETS are better you know if you wanted to make an amplifier that behaved as though it was a tube amp but in a smaller size.


Also notice the fields in image 18.. feeding these coils with several frequencies would definitely make them vibrate like a speaker.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 18, 2019, 10:50:44 AM
What also caught my attention was that the same setup and number of coils is being used in modern MRI and NMR equipment.
These coils slide into each other.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on September 18, 2019, 01:22:58 PM
Hi Turbo
Thanks for the answers.

The "vibration" part is very interesting and needs some discussion. i have created vibrations by using beat frequencies a lot of times for several projects. Perhaps the vibration part of SM's is a side effect of a modulated signal, occured by the synthesis of the higher harmonics more, than a simple acoustic resonance of a some kind of cavity which doesn't exist anyway in SM's devices. What is your opinion on that?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on September 18, 2019, 01:58:55 PM
Don't you think that this device uses just two collector coils and not control coils at all?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: T-1000 on September 18, 2019, 04:30:03 PM
Don't you think that this device uses just two collector coils and not control coils at all?



The more critical and right question there would be how inventor (SM was just a seller) made electrons move along wire in solid state coils between magnetic fields of magnets. Which also brings topic about how to simulate moving magnet from multiple coils on same base...

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 18, 2019, 05:42:59 PM
Hi Turbo
Thanks for the answers.

The "vibration" part is very interesting and needs some discussion. i have created vibrations by using beat frequencies a lot of times for several projects. Perhaps the vibration part of SM's is a side effect of a modulated signal, occured by the synthesis of the higher harmonics more, than a simple acoustic resonance of a some kind of cavity which doesn't exist anyway in SM's devices. What is your opinion on that?

It could be way simpler then most people are thinking.

From what i had understood, the vibration is a result of magnetic heterodyning
Apparently Steven was mixing frequencies to produce another beat or center frequency.
Many people speculated that the device was tapping into the Shumann Resonanance because Steven wrote about Tesla and his lightning experiments.
The coils are way too small to resonate with these huge magnetic waves that are centered around 7.8 Hertz, but if you somehow could make the coil appear bigger, or resonate with a field by generating a field with a close matched base frequency, then it could be something to look into.
Certainly a 15 inch subwoofer can generate a 7.8 Hertz frequency so that could represent the magnetic transducer.

Also i spoke to people who actually have held several of these devices in their hands while in operation and the gyroscopic effect might be too fancy a word for the property.
As they explained to me it felt very similar to an electric sander, the hand held electric power tool.
This effect is relatively easy to recreate by setting up some bucking fields and would sure enough give the impression or appearance of a gyroscopic effect but does not necessarily have to be a high quality rotating field at all.


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My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio.
The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load.


Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 18, 2019, 05:45:46 PM
Don't you think that this device uses just two collector coils and not control coils at all?

I can not see inside so the only answer i can give is i don't know.
It could be 2 it could be 3 they build many.

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We built many, many units with various combinations of collectors during our experimental days.
My colleagues and I have a recollection of about thee hundred being crushed up because they were not the best designs.

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on September 18, 2019, 08:50:43 PM
I can not see inside so the only answer i can give is i don't know.
It could be 2 it could be 3 they build many.
Looks like a working model. Does anyone see any control coils?? At 8.26 I see some portions with tape. Perhaps there they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26QqUKoQpO4
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 18, 2019, 09:08:38 PM
Looks like a working model. Does anyone see any control coils?? At 8.26 I see some portions with tape. Perhaps there they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26QqUKoQpO4

Its control wiring around each of the collector coils and additionally control wires around all of the coils together.
So it could still be in there, its a guessing game really.
And not all coils used the same configuration model.
It's best to work with what is known then to try and guess the unknown.

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Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.
But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.
There need to be three of them all the way around.
start them up one at a time each.
First frequency then second harmonic component into the second,then the third.

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In many of our designs we use three coils as the collector.
they can be run parallel to give higher current lower voltage output at excitation.
They can be run in series to create high voltage, lower current when reaching the point of excitation.
We have used other multiples of run of wire as well in various units construction.
Most of the most successful units we made had control wiring run or wrapped vertically over the horizontal collector wires.
You can se them in the units in some of the videos under black plastic covering.
They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires.
They were run in multiple segments.

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The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils.
Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.
Through the different control wire and coil wire arrangements you can keep complete control of the unit most of the time.



Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on September 19, 2019, 07:22:46 AM
Looks like a working model. Does anyone see any control coils?? At 8.26 I see some portions with tape. Perhaps there they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26QqUKoQpO4

Someone then realized that the torus blade, even though it is hooded, is very thick and should be about 3 to 4 centimeters .... Watch it while he holds it in his hands.  2:39 in video
As much as I wanted to coat the coil I had initially made, it would never reach the width I watch in the video ...
One question: Coils on top of each other glued together and as much as they have control coils would not disturb or undo the induction of the next? It seems that it is necessary to have an airy space between each coils with their respective controls ... I did not get to see any construction of this type. What do you think, is there any logical sense in electronics and would it be plausible to build a device using this feature?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on September 19, 2019, 07:36:58 AM
Like keshe coils (first image). When current flows we have a growing magnetic field in two planes. In the document you uploaded, SM called it as a ball shape magnetic field (due to rotation). Think of the shape of a normal inductor which creates the classic donut flux shape magnetic field but... rotating. (Second image). The overall shape would be indeed like a ball.
An other reason that points to a physical connection is simply that there is no induction between two perpendicular coils. What ever frequency someone uses at his control coils there is no way to affect the collector coils.

What makes me wonder is SM's statement about the correct set of frequencies depending on the circumference of the device. Difficult for me to comprehend it except... if his collectors are just one turn around the ciscumference. If they consist of more than one turns in series, then i find it more appropriate to go with the total length of the coils and not by the circumference.

In general i think that it is a game of trying to magnify a stationery wave by using some of its harmonics. 1-3-5 as mentioned in previous page look quite convincing for doing this. But needs synchronization between frequency components of cource!

Regards

I've been thinking of just nano-coating the wires ... so that the plasma would flow like a river above the copper wire ... I've already created some devices like this ... unlike the shape you can always measure some voltage. ... I don't know if I made a torus-shaped coil even if the control coils would be able to excite the collecting coil .... but surely I'm still curious because if on keshe devices there is a field flowing and creating magnetic lines I could somehow study how they are doing freely without an initial kick being present ... Maybe with much less voltage could make the coil get in the way ... I don't know, it's still a theory and if the control coil works. ..
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 19, 2019, 08:17:09 AM
I've been thinking of just nano-coating the wires ... so that the plasma would flow like a river above the copper wire ... I've already created some devices like this ... unlike the shape you can always measure some voltage. ... I don't know if I made a torus-shaped coil even if the control coils would be able to excite the collecting coil .... but surely I'm still curious because if on keshe devices there is a field flowing and creating magnetic lines I could somehow study how they are doing freely without an initial kick being present ... Maybe with much less voltage could make the coil get in the way ... I don't know, it's still a theory and if the control coil works. ..

This is the biggest mistake that many make.
They start to make adjustments to the design that are not in the book.
If you really want to succeed, it could be in your interest, to stick to the script.

Someone then realized that the torus blade, even though it is hooded, is very thick and should be about 3 to 4 centimeters .... Watch it while he holds it in his hands.  2:39 in video
As much as I wanted to coat the coil I had initially made, it would never reach the width I watch in the video ...
One question: Coils on top of each other glued together and as much as they have control coils would not disturb or undo the induction of the next? It seems that it is necessary to have an airy space between each coils with their respective controls ... I did not get to see any construction of this type. What do you think, is there any logical sense in electronics and would it be plausible to build a device using this feature?

If you follow the clues then you will have at least 7 layers of lamp cable, and possibly a means to support the construction.
Then there is a small controller board and possibly nine volts batteries as well depending on the unit shown.
We know he used what appeared to be cork like substances and a lot of hot glue and tape to keep it all together.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on September 19, 2019, 04:28:11 PM
....If you follow the clues then you will have at least 7 layers of lamp cable, and possibly a means to support the construction.
Then there is a small controller board and possibly nine volts batteries as well depending on the unit shown.
We know he used what appeared to be cork like substances and a lot of hot glue and tape to keep it all together.

There is always the possibility that SM used ferromagnetic toroid cores in some of his devices like the one for example that crashangel pointed to.

I think the following statements of SM are showing that he might used beat frequency.
"...It is an insignificant power supply,
except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with
each other
, .....
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a
much larger kick at the output.''

Regards
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ARMCORTEX on September 19, 2019, 08:02:54 PM
So, how sure are we of the physical build? Why doesnt somebody have a full schematic with representative signaling on each wire? Present your designs, you should have identified this basic thing, or maybe you are just grasping at straws?

So a working device has a high average dc voltage, with disregard for higher voltage pulses, and has also a low frequency
hum, that vibrates the coil.

So potentially if we installed this thing on a supportive platform sensor with 4 little spring on each quadrant and a signal processor unit we could potentially determine a coherent `precession` clue.

Any other tell tell signs?

Then using these 2 signs, it could be possible to setup a dual battery/charge recharge bank, and a sophisticated AI oscillator, that would log any frequency combinations, phase, should an abnormal even occur. With many coils running at once.

Maybe after a few months of operations we can get lucky. I dont think potentiometers is an option unless we go full Otto mode, ie, studying super hard and being smart+ years of dedication,+mental issues+ living like a hermit etc...

Judging by the looks of it, non of you are Otto`s to start with, where are your schemes?

One thing that grabbed my attention, you guys have mentionned that its impossible to magnetically couple, to any degree, the way both collector and control coil are wound(perpendicular). Does this mean that old man Otto, proved the impossible was doable, even tho he may not have had it working 100%, any output would have been significant? or was it all gibberish?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ARMCORTEX on September 20, 2019, 07:15:35 AM
You have to think of this as a time consuming chore, does anybody
Have time for such things?

Maybe, just maybe, there is enough valid info to determine a physical
Layout, and general driving signal. The frequency/pulse/phase is just numbers
Going into non functional device until...

The interesting part would be to develop an algorithm
That is more than just dumb luck, something flexible enough
To test various hypothesis and back.

In a New York mob accent... Forget about it...Room filled with TPU’s
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: tomd on September 20, 2019, 09:03:42 AM
There is always the possibility that SM used ferromagnetic toroid cores in some of his devices like the one for example that crashangel pointed to.

I think the following statements of SM are showing that he might used beat frequency.
"...It is an insignificant power supply,
except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with
each other
, .....
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a
much larger kick at the output.''

Regards

Is he referring to wave superposition?

The equation for energy of a wave is: w = a^2.
w = energy
a = amplitude of a wave.

When two waves with identical polarization, frequency, phase and amplitude propagate in the same direction and meet (and merge) in free space, then their amplitudes will add together and the amplitude of the resultant wave will be double that of a single input wave. This physical phenomenon is called superposition or interference of the waves, when (under the above conditions) the amplitude of the resultant wave is calculated by simply adding together the amplitudes of the incoming waves.

So the amplitude of the two merged waves is 2a. However the energy of the two merged waves is (2a)^2 = 4a^2. Before the waves merged there were two waves each having a^2 energy = 2a^2. But after they merged you have 4a^2 energy. So you have doubled the energy by merging the two waves. If we take two units of energy from the output and feed it back into the input, then there are still two units remaining for utilization and the process can go on continuously.

More here https://feprinciples.wordpress.com/h...d-explanation/

That article talks about microwaves however I'm thinking more along the lines of AC or pulsed DC current/voltage in a circuit.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 20, 2019, 09:27:42 AM
You have to think of this as a time consuming chore, does anybody
Have time for such things?

Maybe, just maybe, there is enough valid info to determine a physical
Layout, and general driving signal. The frequency/pulse/phase is just numbers
Going into non functional device until...

The interesting part would be to develop an algorithm
That is more than just dumb luck, something flexible enough
To test various hypothesis and back.

In a New York mob accent... Forget about it...Room filled with TPU’s

Please don't look at this solely from your own perspective.
There are plenty of people with lots of time and there were already plenty algorithms written in the past.
Even in the times there were no ARM/Arduino boards available.

If you want to forget about it that's fine but keep your destructive advice far away from us, please.

There is always the possibility that SM used ferromagnetic toroid cores in some of his devices like the one for example that crashangel pointed to.

I think the following statements of SM are showing that he might used beat frequency.
"...It is an insignificant power supply,
except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with
each other
, .....
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a
much larger kick at the output.''

Regards

He used iron bailing wire in the first type of devices these would put out a consistent 61.5 Volts at 25 Watts.
Also he mentioned that rusty oxidized wire worked better then new shiny wire but he was too busy to look into why that happened.

I have done these experiments long time ago.
You take two separate power supply's, one is supplying a DC Voltage while the other is supplying an AC Voltage.
Then you take one wire that is used as a shared wire in both circuits.
And then you can replace that wire with a coil too.

At first, It looks like two ordinary power supply's that are placed in series, but there is more to it then meets the eye.


Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on September 20, 2019, 12:46:52 PM
Is he referring to wave superposition?


Very well said! If i was to set up an experiment in this direction for sure i would start with two primaries in an open flux system. Or else the transformer effect would affect the result.

Turbo
Perhaps oxidation worked as an insulation. Tesla was using varnish for this task. You have less losses this way. And/Or, oxidation worked for him as a source of extra electrons.

In your attached circuit you need very low imbedance i guess in the middle line or else i would add two diodes to prevent the flow from one source toward the other.
 
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ARMCORTEX on September 20, 2019, 01:17:36 PM
Let’s see what you can do Turbo, you certainly talk like you know this subject, but eventually you must walk.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 20, 2019, 03:36:53 PM
Very well said! If i was to set up an experiment in this direction for sure i would start with two primaries in an open flux system. Or else the transformer effect would affect the result.

Turbo
Perhaps oxidation worked as an insulation. Tesla was using varnish for this task. You have less losses this way. And/Or, oxidation worked for him as a source of extra electrons.

In your attached circuit you need very low imbedance i guess in the middle line or else i would add two diodes to prevent the flow from one source toward the other.
 

I learned that the oxidation works as a Diode.
So thats only one way.

MOSFET stands for Metal Oxide field effect transistor.
Their operating principle involves oxides.
You can also make solar panels with it.

I read somewhere that they used to build radios with rusty razorblades as a detector in times of war.
In that respect it could have some cathode like action comparable to the electron cloud around the cathode/heater in a thermionic valve.

These images i made are just for illustration purposes.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on September 20, 2019, 05:34:42 PM
I learned that the oxidation works as a Diode.
But as you wrote before, SM had used it also before the wire got oxidized and device was working without the need of a diode. Nice catch though! ;)
 
   
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 20, 2019, 08:55:27 PM
Yesss the trollls have arrived.
How wonderful.
Chet where are you.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: citfta on September 20, 2019, 09:13:08 PM
Ignoring the trolls works much better than feeding them.  If you ignore them they eventually get hungry and go somewhere else looking for food.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: e2matrix on September 20, 2019, 11:41:50 PM
This patent attached has Steven Marks name on it and lists him as being in Moraga, California which I believe is where he was located when all this hit the news.    Patents may not always be the best source for building as something is often hidden but this patent does appear to be the TPU.    The attached file had to be compressed with 7Zip to make it small enough to upload here.   Also needed to change the extension from "7z" to "zip" so if you have trouble unzipping it rename the extension to .7z
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on September 20, 2019, 11:49:27 PM
Sorry had to run down to NYC




“Arm “
I had asked Turbo about speaking with Stefan about him moderating here
He did not feel it would be necessary ?






Please be nice ?


But I will be calling him tomorrow about other things anyway ...too late now (timewise)


Big plans for this topic......

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 21, 2019, 12:23:05 AM
No thanks.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on September 21, 2019, 06:49:17 PM
 OK I did just speak with Stefan and have an appointment in about four hours or so to talk a bit more .
Hopefully things will get organized over here and not so much noise


 Turbo
 thank you for your contributions and tolerance
 ( corrected... voice texting is a nuisance.. still traveling in New York City area for the next day )


 I believe moderation will be put in place to keep this topic focused .





Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 22, 2019, 10:31:07 AM
Steven used bailing wire which is magnetic. I suppose it is iron wire.
If DC passes trough bailing wire and magnetize it, would that coil become electromagnet?

In Tesla time core of transformers were iron.
Producing voltage spikes when switched on.
They were not laminated.

Is there connection between iron core and bailing wire in TPU?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 22, 2019, 10:55:41 AM
Steven used bailing wire which is magnetic. I suppose it is iron wire.
If DC passes trough bailing wire and magnetize it, would that coil become electromagnet?

In Tesla time core of transformers were iron.
Producing voltage spikes when switched on.
They were not laminated.

Is there connection between iron core and bailing wire in TPU?

Iron or copper coils both becomes an electromagnet.
But the iron stays magnetized after you remove the power supply and copper does not.

Some posts were removed.
This time we are going to be specific.
We do not want a topic where the info from old model builds are mixed in with the new model builds.
This is done to keep confusion as low as possible and to prevent research journals from jumping all over the place.
If people want to continue their research based on the older speculative model builds they can directly use the appropriate topics.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 22, 2019, 12:38:24 PM
Iron or copper coils both becomes an electromagnet.
But the iron stays magnetized after you remove the power supply and copper does not.

Some posts were removed.
This time we are going to be specific.
We do not want a topic where the info from old model builds are mixed in with the new model builds.
This is done to keep confusion as low as possible and to prevent research journals from jumping all over the place.
If people want to continue their research based on the older speculative model builds they can directly use the appropriate topics.

Why then copper is not used as core of transformers in Tesla days?

They used iron core. When transformer was switched on, there was cases that workers been killed, burned.
My point is, maybe is core source of kick.
Today we suppress that with lamination.

If we extend iron core as a wire, maybe effect can be amplified and used.

That was my thought. I didnt mean to deflect you from topic.
If it is that so, I will remove my post.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on September 22, 2019, 01:28:29 PM

We do not want a topic where the info from old model builds are mixed in with the new model builds.

Cool.  ;)

SM:
"...The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the
multiple kicks become a combined big kick
"

But what a kick really is?
Kick, is a current of high pottential and of a brief duration. In other words, kick is a current, with an increased rate of change during a short interval of time.
Now what combination of multiple kicks means for SM?

My very first thought was that more than one kicks coinside together during the same small interval of time. "Occasionally" as SM described. But this is the inside of the box thinking. How the out of the box thinking would be for this case?

ps. Please don't think out of the box all together the same time. There is always the danger of being locked out of it. ;D Jeg
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: rensseak on September 22, 2019, 09:04:00 PM
Just to remind of pictures SM/Mannix gave to only a few members. But they are only just to gave an idea .
https://postimg.cc/23xN40Lv (https://postimg.cc/23xN40Lv)
https://postimg.cc/Wt7th62Y (https://postimg.cc/Wt7th62Y)
https://postimg.cc/8sdtK5Gf
https://postimg.cc/rzC21MYQ
https://postimg.cc/nMYMX8Kt
https://postimg.cc/5YGwnv85
https://postimg.cc/7bnyNy3p
Think of it in the way Otto did build it but two rings of same size. If Otto did know this picture, I don't know. Only Mannix could answer it to whom he gave it .


Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 22, 2019, 10:42:46 PM
Just to remind of pictures SM/Mannix gave to only a few members. But they are only just to gave an idea .
https://postimg.cc/23xN40Lv (https://postimg.cc/23xN40Lv)
https://postimg.cc/Wt7th62Y (https://postimg.cc/Wt7th62Y)
https://postimg.cc/8sdtK5Gf
https://postimg.cc/rzC21MYQ
https://postimg.cc/nMYMX8Kt
https://postimg.cc/5YGwnv85
https://postimg.cc/7bnyNy3p
Think of it in the way Otto did build it but two rings of same size. If Otto did know this picture, I don't know. Only Mannix could answer it to whom he gave it .

Thank you for pictures!

Do you have any information does the pictures originate from SM or that coils were made by Mannix instructed by SM letters?

Anyway, thanks!
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on September 23, 2019, 04:56:26 AM
gentlemen,
supposing that one day at some point this device can be replicated ... how could the overheating problem be solved? Would it still be viable?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: citfta on September 23, 2019, 11:45:35 AM
gentlemen,
supposing that one day at some point this device can be replicated ... how could the overheating problem be solved? Would it still be viable?


Could you possibly use some peltier modules to convert the heat into more electricity.  Or maybe liquid cooling with very small tubing included in the build.  In industry in the old days large heat producing transformers were submerged in non-conductive oil to keep them cool and help prevent the break down of the insulation.


PS: Thanks for cleaning up the thread.  It makes it much easier for those of us that aren't familiar with the TPU to follow the discussion and learn from it.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 23, 2019, 12:22:54 PM
Hi Angel,

It is 2019. SM is oldtimer. Today tech maybe can solve lots of things.
But problem is nobody knows what was causing overheating.
In worse case you can use 2 devices sequentally, so one is always cooling down.

SM worked with speakers. Speaker use magnet and coil to move membrane.
My quess is he was using electromagnet in his device. Electromagnet can cause heating if it has solid iron core or wire.
But heating can be caused by numerous things. It is quess.
So, my first experiments will go in direction how inductors and transformers behaive in field of electromagnet or how can be combined with electromagnet.
I dont expect much, but that will be first step.

Interesting story of SM is transformers in Tesla times.
They were massive transformers with massive solid iron core.
At the first switch on, lightning can happen from core, killing the workers.
Later that was solved with lamination of cores, and didnt happens any more.
If the solid iron core can produce lightning, small solid iron core will at least show some kick on scope. I can not make massive iron core transformer like it that time, I can make small one.

That will be second thing to investigate and experiment with.
I dont have idea what else I could try in case of TPU.
Everything else was tried by the more advanced researchers here.

And, as you can see. There is no more people interested in TPU anymore.
All of this are just theory. What really caused TPU to tick I dont know.

I read his letters to Mannix and think about what SM said. Maybe he wasnt honest? Who knows?
The only start you have, and I, is that he worked with speakers.
So, how to make solid state speaker which produce more power than consume?

As I said, this is only my quess where to start and what to look into, and what can be cause of extra power.

So, everything is just best quess.
I dont wanna to copy and make some devices which others did, not before I find what caused more energy in device.

There is a good chance I want find anything.
Thats why we are here to talk what or which can be cause.

Turbo attached good pdf of SM at post 1.
I have another, so if you have time, read them again and try to find clues.
I will be interested to hear what you think after reading SM statements.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: rensseak on September 23, 2019, 12:23:40 PM
Thank you for pictures!

Do you have any information does the pictures originate from SM or that coils were made by Mannix instructed by SM letters?

Anyway, thanks!
As far as I know they are orgin from SM given to Mannix to spreed them to some members only. They had to keept them away from public to prevent SM from going in trouble with authorities.
It was somehow tested but unsuccessful. They have tried but in vain, because everyone has their own imagination and interpretation of what is to be seen.
Everyone builds something different then.What SM said?
Quote from: SM
You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose.
Picture a hose with water in it.
If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will
move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving.
You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water
along as well.
And you could do both to control the movement of the water more
precisely.
You can think of the movement of water as the movement of
electrons through the collector coils.
or this
Quote from: SM
Imagine that you have a cannon which fires a projectile at a velocity of
1000 miles an hour.
The amount of energy held in the moving projectile until converted is lets
say a figure of ten.
It will never become more then our figure of ten.
The energy will slowly dissipate until the projectile slows and begins to fall
to the ground and it's finale dissipation will occur when it strikes the earth
or the object it was aimed at.
Now, we have been told that there will never be more energy available
from the projectile other then what was given to it when first fired into the
sky, EXCEPT for the following example:
Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was
carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well.
Do you see how the different things all relate here?
Let me expand your mind for a moment....
Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon?
Now you have another cannon traveling at 1000 miles an hour...
Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it
would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired.
However, since the cannon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles
an hour when you
fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000
miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second
projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile!
You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second
projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another
cannon and you fired it.
Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the
projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and
so on....
The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the
energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for
conversion.
And now look to the way he shows the winding. In my view It might be related to it.

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: kolbacict on September 23, 2019, 01:18:26 PM
Quote
So the amplitude of the two merged waves is 2a. However the energy of the two merged waves is (2a)^2 = 4a^2. Before the waves merged there were two waves each having a^2 energy = 2a^2. But after they merged you have 4a^2 energy. So you have doubled the energy by merging the two waves.
It’s like in the case of kinetic energy  mV2/2 ,which quadratically depends on the speed ?
In my drawings with spiral paths?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 23, 2019, 01:45:42 PM
As far as I know they are orgin from SM given to Mannix to spreed them to some members only. They had to keept them away from public to prevent SM from going in trouble with authorities.
It was somehow tested but unsuccessful. They have tried but in vain, because everyone has their own imagination and interpretation of what is to be seen.
Everyone builds something different then.What SM said?or thisAnd now look to the way he shows the winding. In my view It might be related to it.

Yes, on first look it appears that way.
3 coils wrap around collector coil.
Red, orange and black. And there is one iron wire as well. Could be act as core if frequency is high.
Their combined field will squeze collector coil.

"If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will
move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving."
Does he means that is pulsed DC in all 3 coils wound arround collector will push electrons in one way? Classic induction.

"You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water
along as well."
Does he means the point on collector where all 3 coils, fields combined squeeze the collector?
Another way to move electrons by squeezing. It is not classic induction???

Now, the second thought after your post and looking at picture is connecting  collector back to 3 coils in mobius loop, so output will pass again trough 3 coils around collector feeding collector even more.
So, you need to pulse only one coil to start the avalanche.

I watched YT of TinManPower experiment with that kind of wraping where those 3 coils does not affect source, collector coil.
Whatch it! The core TinManPower used is toroid. It has removed part of toroid, it is seen in another video of his.
It wont work if toroid is whole.
It showed that output does not affect input with wraping like this.
The iron wire on picture can serve as small core if frequency is high.

https://youtu.be/2BfDo5A3Gx8

https://youtu.be/41ZkWUC-zbQ

But its only wild quess looking at this picture and thought!
Have to try to wrap something like this and try and scope to see what happens?
SM said that he does use different kind of induction. Could be this.

Lots of if? But talking is good. Can give some idea.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 23, 2019, 05:23:03 PM
These pictures are wrong.
They show interleaved coils.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 23, 2019, 05:33:43 PM
Cool.  ;)

SM:
"...The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the
multiple kicks become a combined big kick
"

But what a kick really is?
Kick, is a current of high pottential and of a brief duration. In other words, kick is a current, with an increased rate of change during a short interval of time.
Now what combination of multiple kicks means for SM?

My very first thought was that more than one kicks coinside together during the same small interval of time. "Occasionally" as SM described. But this is the inside of the box thinking. How the out of the box thinking would be for this case?

ps. Please don't think out of the box all together the same time. There is always the danger of being locked out of it. ;D Jeg

Its safe to say that these kicks are a result of the process and that these kicks deliver more energy then it took to generate them.
Possibly it is nuclear.

Quote

Dr. Schinzinger pointed out that during an atomic explosion aside from the gigantic blast wave and heat produced there is also an extremely large magnetic force which is so
strong that it travels way out into space during the explosion.
The magnetic wave is so strong that it will completely destroy any unprotected electronic circuits of solid state design.
That is why solid state radios will be useless after an nuclear attack on your country.
Let us ponder where the huge magnetic field comes from when you explode an atomic bomb.
It is just created?
Is it converted?
Is it part of the earth somehow?
Is it just a by product of the fabric of time and space being ripped into pieces in a fragment of a second?

I am curious as to where this unbelievably huge magnetic force comes from during an atomic explosion...
It is something else to think about perhaps in connection with my power technology.

Dr. Schinzinger said that it is explained as being the result of the splitting of the atom.
However, that is a very short explanation and not really a satisfactory explanation of what generates the force.
He agreed with me and said it would also mean that in reality we know very little about magnetic fields and magnetic property.


Even Steven admitted that he didnt have a clue about where the energy came from.

Quote
I mean we believed very strongly that the power we converted came from the earth's magnetic field.
We believed that mainly because it is the obvious choice.
However please consider that we had no way of confirming exactly where the power comes from.
I am not sure how anyone would confirm that at this point.
And it isn't really important at this juncture.
All we can do is build bigger and better power units and continue our experiments till we do know for sure exactly what we are dealing with.
This is exactly what I said to Dr. Schinzinger the first day I met him.

I blatantly admitted that we knew how to make the music but had no idea
how the violin worked.


It's not really important (currently) to know where it's coming from but knowing how to generate it is.
And also how to control and loop it.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 23, 2019, 07:26:35 PM
These pictures are wrong.
They show interleaved coils.

Hello Turbo!

Do you know anything about this pictures or where they came from?

It seems that you have much more informations that I have.
Can you share your knowledge?
What is wrong with this coils from picture? Are they originate from SM?
How the coils has to be arranged?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: forest on September 23, 2019, 08:00:45 PM
The energy probably comes from Earth magnetic field. SM mentioned it at least twice.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on September 23, 2019, 09:04:07 PM
As far as I know they are orgin from SM given to Mannix to spreed them to some members only. They had to keept them away from public to prevent SM from going in trouble with authorities.
It was somehow tested but unsuccessful. They have tried but in vain, because everyone has their own imagination and interpretation of what is to be seen.
Everyone builds something different then.What SM said?or thisAnd now look to the way he shows the winding. In my view It might be related to it.

I have been reading all these documents and trying to follow more or less the coordinates that you are giving me ...
It seems that there are different ways to make this work in the form of a small toroid ...

Impressive after so many years this kind of thing has not been released to be reproduced ... In addition to the problem of appearing investors in the future would also be to find good professionals who are reliable and who could be committed to results without taking advantage of the values ​​invested. ..

I thought I'd start with a simple toroid to see if I can get any measurable output ...

There are many metaphorical tracks left in these documents that you can put in the right direction if interpreted correctly ...

I have magnetite powder here and I was tempted to mix it with some resin to create a device seen in these other patents ... But I'll still start with the basics ...

1. As I understand the higher the number of wires in the collector the better for electron pickup .... I am using AWG 34 wire so that the number of turns and number of wires will be significant to answer the control coils .... The thread is so small that each layer looks like a ribbon ... I am making several layers to create only one collecting bobbin, be patient ....

2. The control coil I thought of doing in the Swatooth waveform.

3. For the spacing between one coil and another had a kind of insulating plastic that was in a box that came along with some equipment I bought in the past ...

It seems that the output can be rewired in the input so that the device is powered and also using capacitors, etc ... But this I ask later ...

I accept criticism and suggestions to improve or even redo whatever it takes according to the perception of what you are observing ...

thankful!
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 24, 2019, 03:55:59 AM
Hello Turbo!

Do you know anything about this pictures or where they came from?

It seems that you have much more informations that I have.
Can you share your knowledge?
What is wrong with this coils from picture? Are they originate from SM?
How the coils has to be arranged?

Thanks!

No they are not coils from SM.
Those are very wrong in design.
They aren't on top of each other neither vertically nor horizontally because they are interleaved.
Too bad people keep injecting garbage into the tread.
You can use the searchable pdf file to find how its arranged.
Use search terms as collector and control and coils.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 24, 2019, 03:58:57 AM
I have been reading all these documents and trying to follow more or less the coordinates that you are giving me ...
It seems that there are different ways to make this work in the form of a small toroid ...

Impressive after so many years this kind of thing has not been released to be reproduced ... In addition to the problem of appearing investors in the future would also be to find good professionals who are reliable and who could be committed to results without taking advantage of the values ​​invested. ..

I thought I'd start with a simple toroid to see if I can get any measurable output ...

There are many metaphorical tracks left in these documents that you can put in the right direction if interpreted correctly ...

I have magnetite powder here and I was tempted to mix it with some resin to create a device seen in these other patents ... But I'll still start with the basics ...

1. As I understand the higher the number of wires in the collector the better for electron pickup .... I am using AWG 34 wire so that the number of turns and number of wires will be significant to answer the control coils .... The thread is so small that each layer looks like a ribbon ... I am making several layers to create only one collecting bobbin, be patient ....

2. The control coil I thought of doing in the Swatooth waveform.

3. For the spacing between one coil and another had a kind of insulating plastic that was in a box that came along with some equipment I bought in the past ...

It seems that the output can be rewired in the input so that the device is powered and also using capacitors, etc ... But this I ask later ...

I accept criticism and suggestions to improve or even redo whatever it takes according to the perception of what you are observing ...

thankful!

I see you made another modification to the script.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 24, 2019, 04:03:08 AM
The energy probably comes from Earth magnetic field. SM mentioned it at least twice.

If you answer like this please post the exact reference.

Like this:
 
Quote
I mean we believed very strongly that the power we converted came from the earth's magnetic field.
We believed that mainly because it is the obvious choice.
However please consider that we had no way of confirming exactly where the power comes from.
I am not sure how anyone would confirm that at this point.
And it isn't really important at this juncture.
All we can do is build bigger and better power units and continue our experiments till we do know for sure exactly what we are dealing with.
This is exactly what I said to Dr. Schinzinger the first day I met him.

I blatantly admitted that we knew how to make the music but had no idea how the violin worked.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on September 24, 2019, 04:41:09 AM
Just a note,Turbo has been at this for a long time ,he is not a newbie and has put more time into this than
can be measured .
As Turbo has mentioned .... today the tools to play [system management] are better than ever before and cheap too.we are also trying to get a funding method here for builders.
Also  members here are trying to get some important "bits" which may shed more light.
In the mean time ...Turbo has a very cogent direction ,from years of reverse engineering and hands on testing and experience.
exciting times indeed.
Turbo feel free to remove any inaccuracies in my post [or the whole post if?]also if you could remove or try to remove my test topic here https://overunity.com/18337/new-board-test/msg539226/#new [it may cause confusion]
if not ...no worries
much gratitude from here,
  Chet K, PS, there are certainly PLENTY of talented TPU fellows in the house...
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 24, 2019, 12:21:29 PM
"About the collector:
 It is three separate coils of  multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. "

The collector coils are on top of the other.

Three is important.
 You can do many things  with three coils.  You can run them  in parallel, you  can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc
.

You can run a separate  frequency into each coil  for  better control on large power units if need be.
Is this mean that only one frequency is used, but separate frequency can be used in each coil?

The control wiring is vertically  wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils.  Other control  wires are wound around all  of  the  horizontal collector coils together.
Here, the collector coils are horizontal?

First, the 3 collector coils are on top of each other, then collector coils are horizontal?
It makes no sense. How this arrangement looks like?

It also indicates only one frequency for all 3 coils? Separate frequencies can be used if needed?

I am little bit confused with this arrangement.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: tomd on September 24, 2019, 12:40:03 PM
Quote
Well as soon as I get my amp finished I will let you know if I have any
more problems with it.
But I like the sound and the power of it already.
Take care.
Sincerely,
By the way.
I have really THOUGHT about how to help you and the others.
I can not tell youtoo much about the design of the technology because the
company
who still owns the technology is reading my every word, as you know and
just waiting
to cut off my pension if I tell you too much.
BUT!
I want you to start and think of the generator principles the exact
same way that passing the sound barrier was accomplished.
Read how the engineers in this country finally developed the proper wing
design to accomplish super sonic speed in aircraft.
I hope it will give you a picture of what is going on inside the generator
and especially the collector.
Imagine that you have a cannon which fires a projectile at a velocity of
1000 miles an hour.
The amount of energy held in the moving projectile until converted is lets
say a figure of ten.
It will never become more then our figure of ten.
The energy will slowly dissipate until the projectile slows and begins to fall
to the ground and it's finale dissipation will occur when it strikes the earth
or the object it was aimed at.
Now, we have been told that there will never be more energy available
from the projectile other then what was given to it when first fired into the
sky, EXCEPT for the following example:
Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was
carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well.
Do you see how the different things all relate here?
Let me expand your mind for a moment....
Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon?
Now you have another cannon traveling at 1000 miles an hour...
Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it
would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired.
However, since the cannon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles
an hour when you
fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000
miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second     projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile!
You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second
projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another
cannon and you fired it.
Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the
projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and
so on....
The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the
energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for
conversion.
A long time ago, i said, if you take a bullet and throw it at the side of an
automobile it
will bounce off.
However, if you place the bullet into a gun and fire it at the automobile it,
with sufficient velocity, go through the metal door and through the other
side because of the inertia energy available for conversion.
Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly
enough!
Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert
into huge amounts of energy.
Even electrons.....................................
Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire
because of magnetic flux.
What if you disable the effects of the flux?
My unit operates on these principles.

Is he talking about wave superposition or more appropriately pulse superposition?


Quote
If the unit goes too far on frequency it may begin to convert too
much current and try to dissipate way too much voltage.
[/size]


Is this why the voltages are slightly out of phase considering the energy produced if the waves are in phase?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 24, 2019, 12:50:49 PM
each segment of control coils could be fed a different frequency individually  and or from a collector section to help  perpetuate the oscillationand control.

Here it said that control coils can be fed from collector coils?
Loop?
Another frequency from collector to control?

So many frequencies.
Or they are not different frequencies at all?
Only one?

I am trying to read this and make sense from all of that SM statements.
I dont know!
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 24, 2019, 12:52:46 PM
At one point he is feeding frequencies into colector coils.
At another he is feeding frequencies into control coils?

???
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on September 24, 2019, 02:39:54 PM
1) Is he talking about wave superposition or more appropriately pulse superposition?


2) Is this why the voltages are slightly out of phase considering the energy produced if the waves are in phase?

tomd
1) That was my first thought. Three pulses the same time same direction. It would be a nice strating point.

2) By using beat frequency, phase changes all the time. At one moment and depending on the beat, both frequencies eventually align themeselves and both kicks are the one over the other. But there is also the third coil. I can't visualise how it would perform an action of this kind and what araingement needs for this.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 24, 2019, 02:50:23 PM
At one point he is feeding frequencies into colector coils.
At another he is feeding frequencies into control coils?

???

Okay Whatisit you are making a lot of noise i have posted some explanations many years ago and i have updated them for you so that you can read it and understand a little bit more about how this all came to be.

I will re-post it for you to see if it can be of any assistance to you to help you to understand the process.

Here it is :

The first frequency generates the kicks.

What are the kicks ?

The kicks are a burst or release of high energetic particles in random directions.
These kicks are generated by a process that i have so far called 'stimulated nuclear transmutation'
Some difficult words, maybe, but don't walk away yet i can explain it in simple terms.
 
Alternating magnetic fields running at certain specific frequencies can alter nuclear conversion between the elements thereby releasing energy.
In the early transformer experiments, Steven hit on a NMR frequency of the iron transformer core, which in turn started to release massive amounts of kicks.
These kicks were released perpendicularly away from the core and were all flying away at high speed and in random directions.

This is what Steven observed in his very first experiments and he rightfully called them kicks.
This was not very efficient as such, but Steven indeed discovered and identified this as the bare-bone effect.

Notice this has got nothing to do with the earths magnetic field, but how on earth could he know what was going on?
So the earths magnetic field was his first thought as it would be mine, It's a pity most people still hold on to the old dream.

Okay back to the explanation:
Steven then discovered that when he run the transformers slightly out of phase, he could maximize the effect.

After he discovered the kicks, he was immediately facing a new problem because in those early experiments these small energy bursts were launching electrons away from the emitting iron cores in perpendicular lines, in random directions and he found it was hard and in-efficient to extract any real energy in coils by means of classical induction....,until he began to run the transformers slightly out of phase.
He noticed it made a difference when there was one transformer coil powered whilst the other generated the effect.

Thus he somehow figured out that a strong magnetic field was needed to force all of the chaotic radiated electrons in a straight line through a coil as soon as they were generated/released from the core.
This is somewhat similar to what a yoke does to control the electron beam in a CRT television tube.
And he knew how to do this, his education at the tv repair shop served him very,very well.

So, now this process is explained as follows:

The first frequency generates the kicks.(in random directions... chaos)

The second frequency energizes one of the (control) coils, right after the kicks are generated.
Because the kicks are high energetic (electron) particles, they will deflect when they enter/interact with the strong field created by the (control) coil that is energized by the secondary frequency.

This strong field will force all high speed electrons into ONE DIRECTION. <-- AND THIS is important ! (squeezing the hose)

This is called 'Combining hundreds of thousands of little kicks into one big current kick . . .'

So at this point we have 'rectified' or 'redirected' all of the kicks into one direction and this is the point where we fire the third frequency.

The third frequency creates another strong magnetic field (or pulse) and this deflects (or dumps..) the high energetic electron beam back into the collector coil, thereby generating the 'big current kick' Steven writes about in his memoirs.

So as such, the control coils are used to deflect the high energy particles and force them into one direction, and they are also used as a means to an end, to collect the energy into the collector coil(s).

I hope this helps you to understand the role the control coils play in the process.

Lets say these 3 events are called one cycle:

Generate - Deflect - Collect

It is possible (and likely) that Steven used permanent magnets to deflect these high energetic electron particles, in his early/first devices.
In that respect you could drop the 'tunnel' or secondary frequency, or if your setup/design is really clever, perhaps also the third... but that boils down to design.

Soon Steven developed mechanisms of using feedback involving multiple receiving coils in a way that he started the reaction from a power supply and then he extracted the energy from the first coil and used this energy to establish the strong needed electron deflecting magnetic field for the second coil and so on to the third and you guessed it, from the third to the first and now things started to look quite interesting...
He kept improving the designs and this eventually led to the famous videos everyone wants to know more about.
So here you have it, i hope it helps.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 24, 2019, 03:14:10 PM
Hi Turbo,

Yes it helps.

Thank you for explanation!
I will read your old posts and try to catch up.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: rensseak on September 24, 2019, 05:56:10 PM
No they are not coils from SM.
Those are very wrong in design.
They aren't on top of each other neither vertically nor horizontally because they are interleaved.
Too bad people keep injecting garbage into the tread.
You can use the searchable pdf file to find how its arranged.
Use search terms as collector and control and coils.
Turbo, if you know it so good, where this picture is coming from and what do you know about them?You mean what is mentioned in the pdf file comes all from SM? Who was drawing the arrangement of the coils?

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 24, 2019, 06:37:04 PM
Turbo, if you know it so good, where this picture is coming from and what do you know about them?You mean what is mentioned in the pdf file comes all from SM? Who was drawing the arrangement of the coils?

Not where it's coming from but that it is incorrect yes i am sure of that.
Those pictures are the worst ever, they follow the old model and do a very bad job at it.
What is mentioned in the pdf compilation files is the combined communication over email between Steven and Mannix.
These are not made up and it is VERY EASY to show why these coils you posted are wrong so i suggest you start reading.
Because something tell me that you haven't read it thoroughly enough.
I know you was around in the early days and i was surprised to see you dump that garbage into this thread.
I was wondering why did he do that.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: rensseak on September 24, 2019, 06:40:11 PM
"About the collector:
 It is three separate coils of  multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. "

The collector coils are on top of the other.
If you were observed, would you say it frankly how it is made?

Quote
Three is important.
You can do many things  with three coils.  You can run them  in parallel, you  can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.
Here starts the difficulty too many possibilities.

Quote
You can run a separate  frequency into each coil  for  better control on large power units if need be.
Is this mean that only one frequency is used, but separate frequency can be used in each coil?

The control wiring is vertically  wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils.  Other control  wires are wound around all  of  the  horizontal collector coils together.
Here, the collector coils are horizontal?
As I said already above, he did not say it frankly. If you compare it with TPUs in the videos, then how it will be?

Quote
First, the 3 collector coils are on top of each other, then collector coils are horizontal?It makes no sense. How this arrangement looks like?
Can you see?

Quote
It also indicates only one frequency for all 3 coils? Separate frequencies can be used if needed?
I am little bit confused with this arrangement.
That's it. He had to be careful with what he says.
You know, I've been following it from the start, but then there was a time when members left this forum and went into a new one and not everyone had access there. These members were then allowed to learn something more. I was the one which ask SM if they tried it also south of the equator and it seems he was surprised someone would ask it.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 24, 2019, 06:42:46 PM
Wherever it's coming from it's garbage so that place must also be and now i think of it, i probably know where it's coming from.
Could you do me a favor and make sure it stay's there ?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: rensseak on September 24, 2019, 06:49:00 PM
Wherever it's coming from it's garbage so that place must also be and now i think of it, i probably know where it's coming from.
Could you do me a favor and make sure it stay's there ?

Thanks.
I will not remove it but for sure is this picture where made in CA.
https://postimg.cc/sBGf5hDC
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 24, 2019, 07:00:09 PM
This is both horizontal and on top of each other.
Except for the fact that the first method was confirmed to have incorrect winding relationship.

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 24, 2019, 07:05:06 PM
I will not remove it but for sure is this picture where made in CA.
https://postimg.cc/sBGf5hDC

So what do you want to say exactly ?
It is from California so it has to be correct ?

Clearly it is wrong on multiple levels.
Who made it doesn't change anything about that.

Are you trying to say Steven made those ?
Why would he wrap something that contradicts it's own writings ?

I don't buy it.

And it doesn't matter at this point in time.
You could probably get some juice out of it if you use the control winding as a yoke and slam the collector with the correct atomic frequency.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: rensseak on September 24, 2019, 07:15:56 PM
Do you think he would cut it so easy with a jigsaw if made in that way? And does it look like to rings seen in the open TPUs?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 24, 2019, 07:30:53 PM
Do you think he would cut it so easy with a jigsaw if made in that way? And does it look like to rings seen in the open TPUs?

This is not the correct place for speculation maybe that other board is ?

'looks like' this and 'looks like' that just isn't going to do it.
That has proven to be an endless loop.

I just wrote down exactly how its done.
And its very easy to verify my words.

So besides the fact that speculation leads nowhere, it isn't even necessary.
I already posted the solution way back in 2012
But it was rather quickly buried under a flood of garbage and speculation.
I walked away.

Seven years later i checked the OU.com site and i noticed that member crashangel was looking for info on the matter.
So i decided to put in some more words, to try and help, but here we are, once more ready to be buried.

I just hope that maybe some people will see the light and read back some of my posts and experience the AH-HA ! moment they search for and so desperately need to push them in the right direction.
I also hope that they won't get scared away, when they realize the true colors of the technology and will approach it with caution.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: forest on September 24, 2019, 07:56:25 PM
Turbo
Can you be precise in your statements ? Can you correct me ?

1) 3 control coils one on top of the other (circular rings each of smaller diameter) are used to create effect of radiation of "particles" which Otto described

2) 3 collector coils , each one around one control coil

3)  one collector coil on everything

collector coils are output coils and catch "particles"
is that the correct description ?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on September 24, 2019, 08:36:33 PM
Turbo
Do you know what is the material that releases the electrons in sm's devices? A closed loop iron wire in parallel in between the collectors? Like in the photo above?

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 24, 2019, 09:00:18 PM
Turbo
Do you know what is the material that releases the electrons in sm's devices? A closed loop iron wire in parallel in between the collectors? Like in the photo above?

About radiated particles and catching them.

Poyint posted this Otto doc I never saw before.
Interesting read!

Maybe that picture above and Turbo are same principle?

Both catching radiated particles.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 24, 2019, 09:06:33 PM
Turbo
Do you know what is the material that releases the electrons in sm's devices? A closed loop iron wire in parallel in between the collectors? Like in the photo above?

About radiated particles and catching them.

Poynt99 posted this Otto doc I never saw before.
Interesting read!

Maybe that picture above and Turbo are same principle?

Both catching radiated particles.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 24, 2019, 11:09:57 PM
Turbo
Can you be precise in your statements ? Can you correct me ?

1) 3 control coils one on top of the other (circular rings each of smaller diameter) are used to create effect of radiation of "particles" which Otto described

2) 3 collector coils , each one around one control coil

3)  one collector coil on everything

collector coils are output coils and catch "particles"
is that the correct description ?

1. No not 3 control coils on top of the other.

It's 3 Collector coils on top of each other with control coils wound around each of the collector coils.
I would advice to firstly find the basic effect and once you understand that, scale it up,  just like Steven did it.

2.no it's the way around.
its 3 Collector coils with control coils around each.

3. the way around.
3 collector coils with control coils around each, and with control coils around all of them combined.

This is the ultimate design, a cyclotron,  its not the preferred choice to start with.


Again, the easiest way is to find the most basic effect and then try to scale it up by generating this basic effect inside of a strong magnetic field/ 'control' coil.
This can be on constantly like in a DC field, that is ok it just means that you start off with a very inefficient  setup.
Or you can use a magnet so that you don't have to worry so much about it but your way of working has to have a specific meaning to it.
You know what you are doing and why you are doing it at all times.

Step 1. Generate the kicks.
Which coil ?
Collector Coil.
How ?
Feed a Atomic resonance frequency into 'collector coil' 
Kicks will start to emit perpendicularly out of the 'collector coil',  the basic effect.

(fe56 will transmutate into fe54 giving up excess electrons)
Want to SEE kicks ?  click here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFVZU2YwwJ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFVZU2YwwJ4)


Description:

Quote
My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio.
The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load.
You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.
It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it.

Step 2. Deflect these kicks into one direction to maximize potential on impact.
Which coil ?
Control Coil. (or permanent magnet)
How ?
Controllable DC feed, or slightly out of phase  / harmonic feed on the 'control coil' that is wound around the 'collector coil'
The field has to be strong just after the kicks are released to force them into direction to maximize potential upon impact.
The field strength is critical, too much will act as a break and prevent them from moving, too little and they will just fly through and out of your control coil.

Description:

Quote
You see, one little kick amounts to nothing.
However imagine if you had hundreds of thousands of little kicks combining into one big current kick . . .

Step 3. Collect.
Which coil?
Collector coil (and Control Coil.)
How?
If you made it here, you will know what to do, the next steps will follow naturally.
Deflection, again, but this time not to force direction but to force an END to it by dumping all of the available energy into the collector coil by a stronger magnetic pulse,  timings are critical and if correct you will observe the 'Big Kick'

Description:

Quote
The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end.
The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the multiple kicks become a combined big kick.
I call it resonating.

So you know what to do, and how to do it.
Above all be safe.
You are working with radiation and it can harm you.
A perfectly tuned collector will keep most of the stuff inside, because most of the energy will be confined in the magnetic fields and converted into heat and electricity.

Not so when you are working on tuning a system where the kicks will fly all over the place.
I can recall day's where my eyes used to hurt badly, much like 'welders eyes' if someone is familiar with that, and it just didn't dawn upon me that i was constantly blasting my head and eyes with kicks, or better said, Cathode Rays.
 
I won't recommend building the entire thing at once.
Just start simple and take it one small step at a time, because its close to impossible to get all the necessary elements perfectly right the first time.
If you start with the basic bare bone effect the small kicks that amount to nothing, and then succeed to combine them into one big current kick, your are already in the Goldilocks zone.

My prediction is that the next decade, most appliances will be nuclear powered.
You will simply go to the store and buy safe and small 'nuclear grade' iron fuel rod's just like you buy batteries today and plug them into your devices.
The big difference is that these fuel rods last a very ,very long time.
You won't have to refuel or charge your car or cellphone, ever.

I also thought it was a bit IRONic to conclude that we replace and throw out old batteries when we think that they are depleted, while their iron shell holds enough energy to still deliver a million fold in nuclear electricity, then what the cell just had produced by chemical means....
Talking about throwing out the baby with the bathwater  ::)
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 24, 2019, 11:11:21 PM
Turbo
Do you know what is the material that releases the electrons in sm's devices? A closed loop iron wire in parallel in between the collectors? Like in the photo above?

Iron at first and apparently later he found how to do it with other materials too.

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on September 25, 2019, 07:45:16 AM
Turbo
Thanks a lot for the directives. Much apprciated. ;)
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: rensseak on September 25, 2019, 09:32:17 AM
This is not the correct place for speculation maybe that other board is ?

'looks like' this and 'looks like' that just isn't going to do it.
That has proven to be an endless loop.
You have no answer to my question and then become aggressive.
Quote from: Turbo
I just wrote down exactly how its done.
And its very easy to verify my words.
Then show us your working TPU.

Quote from: Turbo
So besides the fact that speculation leads nowhere, it isn't even necessary.
I already posted the solution way back in 2012
But it was rather quickly buried under a flood of garbage and speculation.
I walked away.
With your nickname you are registered 2013 (https://overunity.com/profile/turbo.79442/).

Quote from: Turbo
Seven years later i checked the OU.com site and i noticed that member crashangel was looking for info on the matter.
So i decided to put in some more words, to try and help, but here we are, once more ready to be buried.

"Giantkiller or Bruce-TPU" are also sure to know how it works and how it should be wrapped. They were very active with replica but without success.
Quote from: Turbo
I just hope that maybe some people will see the light and read back some of my posts and experience the AH-HA ! moment they search for and so desperately need to push them in the right direction. I also hope that they won't get scared away, when they realize the true colors of the technology and will approach it with caution.
If you are so convinced of it, then show your TPU.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on September 25, 2019, 12:36:54 PM
 Just to add that i am going to build a cage from lead. All those years i was firing ferromagnetic materials with HF HV without knowing exautly what the implications would be to my health. Many times i had head pains during experimentation ignoring all this ferro emissions. Perhaps i will enclosed lead inside wood so to avoid touching it with bare hands. I hope that everyone understood now that this researching area has a lot of dangers due to ignorance.

Regards
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on September 25, 2019, 02:09:49 PM
rensseak, it is easy to fight here ....if you have a path forward and disagree with Turbo's MO ?start a new topic and present "your" thoughts .
if you are looking to "talk" in hopes of finding a path forward ?
 maybe that is a separate topic ?
The MO which Turbo has postulated is most definitely a source of unimaginable energy
Is it possible within the boundaries of the TPU ? that would truly be remarkable .
Here there are those who will drop the tools for fear of the unknown , and here there are those who Hunt this [NMR NAR] and would embrace the chance to learn a possible simple path towards ...transmutation .....
even just to make/harvest excess heat ...or energy....







 
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: citfta on September 25, 2019, 02:56:41 PM
Hi Turbo,


Have you read the paper by Wm. R. Lyne called Free Energy Surprise?  In it he describes some experiments where iron was subjected to high voltage AC current.  The result was a large excess current was produced which was much greater than the input power.  It appears the use of iron has some interesting effects.  The paper is copyrighted so I can't attach it here.  I posted this because of the talk about using iron wire for the cores of the TPU.  If you feel it is too far off topic feel free to delete this post.


Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on September 25, 2019, 05:34:46 PM
Gentlemen, today what happened to SM? It's alive? still work? retired?


When is it said that SM used iron wire in the TPU instead of copper wire? on a control coil or pickup? sorry for my ignorance...
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 25, 2019, 09:19:39 PM
Gentlemen, today what happened to SM? It's alive? still work? retired?


When is it said that SM used iron wire in the TPU instead of copper wire? on a control coil or pickup? sorry for my ignorance...

 I think iron wire is mentioned in this doc, look at page 5, chapter 11).
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 25, 2019, 09:35:45 PM

"Giantkiller or Bruce-TPU" are also sure to know how it works and how it should be wrapped.

This is the biggest joke right.
Please stay with them !
My God you couldn't be further from the truth.

Gentlemen, today what happened to SM? It's alive? still work? retired?

When is it said that SM used iron wire in the TPU instead of copper wire? on a control coil or pickup? sorry for my ignorance...

I do not think he is alive anymore.

There is the first video where he states that the device is put together with bailing wire, this is usually iron.
There is also written confirmation but i haven't been able to relocate that just yet.
In any case if you use it then it will be the source of your kicks.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 25, 2019, 09:44:42 PM
Hi Turbo,


Have you read the paper by Wm. R. Lyne called Free Energy Surprise?  In it he describes some experiments where iron was subjected to high voltage AC current.  The result was a large excess current was produced which was much greater than the input power.  It appears the use of iron has some interesting effects.  The paper is copyrighted so I can't attach it here.  I posted this because of the talk about using iron wire for the cores of the TPU.  If you feel it is too far off topic feel free to delete this post.


Respectfully,
Carroll

The technique or effect, could be tied into many inventions.

For example the Hubbard transformer, Albert Hubbard had painted his coils with radium paint, the radioactive glow in the dark paint and used magnetic fields to deflect the radiation over his coils and used it to power a small boat.

Or the famous Tesla demonstration where they drove the car around, i had read about 'metal rods' and tube oscillators...

Maybe even Ed Gray's inventions, without him knowing it.

Or Moray's device, an array of transformers and, tubes.

The only one i found where the device is directly utilized though is the Michel Meyer Mace device, which also uses an iron core and 3 coils.

There will most certainly be many more.


I have already posted what i wanted to convey in this thread,  now everybody is free to analyze it and especially to verify it ,or pick another direction that is fine with me.
But i am not going to enter into playing games, and i want to make it clear that i do not owe anything to anybody , so i wish all of you the best of luck.
Personally i do not believe in luck anymore, i mean in the meaning of the word, because i discovered that luck is created, it is the product of hard work.

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: lancaIV on September 25, 2019, 09:51:30 PM
Hmm, Steven Marks TPU : with iron wire. ?
If I do remembering me right more than ten years before there was to read about a " special material mix wire"( patented  ! Nobody found this patent in the official archives !)

Probably a help :
https://www.google.com/search?q=overunity.com+sm&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=overunity.com+sm&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)

https://www.google.com/url?q=http://tpupower.net/pdf/newbie-faq.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwimpvqO3uzkAhVQ6RoKHQg4ANgQFjAIegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw2HL2OF86IeplPpnQ9F8Ucj (https://www.google.com/url?q=http://tpupower.net/pdf/newbie-faq.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwimpvqO3uzkAhVQ6RoKHQg4ANgQFjAIegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw2HL2OF86IeplPpnQ9F8Ucj)
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on September 26, 2019, 06:59:50 AM
Hmm, Steven Marks TPU : with iron wire. ?
If I do remembering me right more than ten years before there was to read about a " special material mix wire"( patented  ! Nobody found this patent in the official archives !)

Probably a help :
https://www.google.com/search?q=overunity.com+sm&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=overunity.com+sm&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)

https://www.google.com/url?q=http://tpupower.net/pdf/newbie-faq.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwimpvqO3uzkAhVQ6RoKHQg4ANgQFjAIegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw2HL2OF86IeplPpnQ9F8Ucj (https://www.google.com/url?q=http://tpupower.net/pdf/newbie-faq.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwimpvqO3uzkAhVQ6RoKHQg4ANgQFjAIegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw2HL2OF86IeplPpnQ9F8Ucj)

OK guys , Turbo, understood ...
Thank you for giving me the coordinates and tips that will facilitate my years of study and research in this field of work ...

Gratitude!!!
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: icarus on September 26, 2019, 08:41:37 AM
Hi Turbo. A few posts ago you wrote:

>Alternating magnetic fields running at certain specific frequencies can alter nuclear conversion between the elements thereby releasing energy.
>In the early transformer experiments, Steven hit on a NMR frequency of the iron transformer core, which in turn started to release massive amounts of kicks.

Do you think Steven used iron resonance frequency, ie 3.2MHz?
Or knowing his background (music reproduction, audio frequencies) do you think of sub-harmonics of this frequency?
I can't see him tinkering in the 90s with MHz frequencies.
What do you think about it ?

Thanx

Icarus
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 26, 2019, 09:39:43 AM
OK guys , Turbo, understood ...
Thank you for giving me the coordinates and tips that will facilitate my years of study and research in this field of work ...

Gratitude!!!

Hi Angel,

Nobody knows how TPU works. It is not by induction, thats for sure.
I got few PM which indicates that members are starting to fight even they are working on similar things.
Which is not good.

My thought is that talk helps and fight will only burry everything.

After reading all this posts and many TPU docs I came to conclusion like Turbo and Otto and many others that perpendicular force is source of TPU power.
How to produce that force and how to catch it is the question?

I believe that force can be produced on many ways, some more efficient than others.
Every memeber has its own idea how to do it and there is no need for fight.

I been reading Otto doc and come to idea that saturation of transformer core can cause emitting.
In and out from saturation.

Otto has been catching it with one coil. If he used 3 coils like Turbo design it, maybe he was have a chance for better catching.
Otto was using small transformer easy to saturate. When he used bigger things changed.
But that is only idea after reading Otto doc.

In Tesla times they used Edison generators with iron core. At first switch HV spike for a brief moment saturate iron core which in process killed workers.

The picture posted earlyer shows iron wire. One iron wire will saturate easily and come back from saturation easily and emitt.

This is only idea and I am free to attack me for that idea. I expect it.

Members should talk and not fight!

What happens when iron core saturate? Does it have too much spare electrons in its field cloud?
What saturation means? More magnetization that core can accept? Only that?

Armcortex, you are right! If somebody states something, he should show scheme and measurements.

Turbo, you are also right! If you give people everything, they dont want to bench and do the work by themselfs.

And Gyula, you are wise and patient as always.

At the end, I dont know which ticks in TPU, I can only guess!
Angel, you should follow your work. It is not wrong. It is just a path to the end.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: lancaIV on September 26, 2019, 10:01:21 AM
https://www.google.com/search?q=otto+roberto+tpu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=otto+roberto+tpu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docp (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docplayer.org/103574544-Tpu-ecd-energy-conversion-device-energkonverter-offenlegung-von-otto-sabljaric-roberto-notte.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiGtNqRge7kAhUDAGMBHaayBX0QFjAEegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw3y_tKnIvRsOrmfRYjmQ8JP)
layer.org/103574544-Tpu-ecd-energy-conversion-device-energkonverter-offenlegung-von-otto-sabljaric-roberto-notte.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiGtNqRge7kAhUDAGMBHaayBX0QFjAEegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw3y_tKnIvRsOrmfRYjmQ8JP (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docplayer.org/103574544-Tpu-ecd-energy-conversion-device-energkonverter-offenlegung-von-otto-sabljaric-roberto-notte.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiGtNqRge7kAhUDAGMBHaayBX0QFjAEegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw3y_tKnIvRsOrmfRYjmQ8JP)
Special Points :
DTO from Floyd Sweet
https://www.google.com/search?q=dto+floyd+sweet&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=dto+floyd+sweet&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
"new Maths for new laws"

Schumannfrequenz

"over-heating": negative to positive ,application dependant :
https://newatlas.com/gold-melt-room-temperature/57327/ (https://newatlas.com/gold-melt-room-temperature/57327/iron/copper)
Iron/copper melts with room temperature

Tesla : e= tcv2  electro-magnetic element decay acceleration
https://www.google.com/search?q=superconduction+thermal+shock&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=superconduction+thermal+shock&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_pair (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_pair)

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:World_line-de.svg (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:World_line-de.svg)
https://www.google.com/search?q=white+holes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
The combination from wite and black holes effect as "power unit" or " incubator unit"
mass to energy.    energy to mass         energy = .......... New Definition for New treatment
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 26, 2019, 11:00:16 AM
I have something on my mind.

SM worked with speakers.
He replaced permanent magnet with electromagnet.
By varying electromagnet, injecting noice he was trying to get spatial sound.

What is worst case scenario in that?

If core of electromagnet saturate and desaturate quickly, how will it sounds on that spatial sound speaker?
Trying to solve this, what he will see on scope?

His TPU is like radio. Tuning frequency to saturation point maybe?
And then catching what is emitted from core of electromagnet?
If electromagnet saturate and stay that way it destroys source. Too much frequency.
So he constantly must be near saturation region. Then small pulses to go into saturation and out.
If frequency is too low, no saturation, no emitting.
Radio.
DC bias for near saturation point plus AC ? (or DC pulses?) to go into saturation and out.

HV spikes can saturate and desaturate core quickly, causing core to emitt.
How to catch it? With lots of coils like Turbo design around emitting core.

How many of you experienced PC frooze while working with certain cores and frequencies? Why is that?
Loop back trough wall socket? Or something was radiated from core?

Just a thought!

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on September 26, 2019, 11:27:41 AM
I have something on my mind.

SM worked with speakers.
He replaced permanent magnet with electromagnet.
By varying electromagnet, injecting noice he was trying to get spatial sound.

What is worst case scenario in that?

If core of electromagnet saturate and desaturate quickly, how will it sounds on that spatial sound speaker?
Trying to solve this, what he will see on scope?

His TPU is like radio. Tuning frequency to saturation point maybe?
Just a thought!

Yes it is tuning to a saturation point but not the core in magnetic field line means because this is magnetic over driving at the atomic level.

The surrounding magnetic field has a dampening effect on the center frequency.

In simple terms realize that there is a vibration to this at the atomic level.
The frequency is related to the atomic mass, so its different for every element.
This is how spectroscopy works, identifying the element by its frequency.

Now the electrons that supposedly circle the nucleus also respond to (external) magnetic fields.

If these fields are strong, these electrons can not vibrate with the same amplitude than without the external field, because this external field tries to hold them in place, which acts like a break, and so as a result, the center frequency goes up.
If there is no external field, then this vibration has a slight link to the earths magnetic field because then that is the only dominant external field that acts a force upon them.
In these examples i am talking about a strong external field that is constant, so its not oscillating.
The resulting frequency is also called the magnetic moment or, Larmor precession frequency named after Joseph Larmor.

Now imaging what happens when you put in an oscillating electromagnetic field at the same frequency (or harmonic) that they are already vibrating.
This is the center frequency.
You can think of this as actually feeding them energy in their own phase. (yet again: pushing the kid on the swing, but this time at the atomic level)

In stead of the vibration being dampened, Now it is growing and becoming stronger.
So strong that these electrons gain so much kinetic energy that they can escape their atomic bond and launch out of the collnductor.
These flying electrons are the kicks.

This is the same thing that happens in a vacuum tube around the Cathode heater, the electrons are forced or boiled off and enter the electron cloud that exists around the Cathode, in that cas the heat feeds the vibration.
The difference is in that example we are using a brute force technique, we supply so much energy, in a closed loop, to create intense heat, to cause the same event.

Can you see a link to the heating problem here ?
But realize this, in a vacuum tube the heat is generated deliberately and up front to free electrons, while in the TPU it is actually the way around, the heat is generated when the electrons make their impact back upon the collector to release their energy in the form of the big kicks...  in that sense it (the heat) is an inevitable part of the process and some of you this should should ring a bell.

I hope you will understand that a more targeted approach, of freeing electrons, using a supply at the center frequency, of course requires very, much less energy then the vacuum tube heater, because you are supplying the energy in resonance with the target system/circuit.


Ok so then after being liberated, they then enter the magnetic field of a control coil and are bend down the track to eventually impact the collector with hundreds or thousands of other these liberated electrons.

I mean its really not that hard to understand ?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: WhatIsIt on September 26, 2019, 12:22:12 PM
No it is not hard to understand.
You did much more experiments than I did.
Even my thought on core saturation is something I did not tried. It was thought after reading that doc of Otto.

One thing is clear.
Mean to radiate and mean to catch that is core of TPU.

I agree.
Your way is new area for me and I have to read about it, yet.

So, get back to read and learn, then I can say something more.
For now I am just trying to walk!

And constructive talk like this is good.
Through posts like this people can learn and get new ideas or made better.
No attacking and no need to defend.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: lancaIV on September 26, 2019, 01:27:19 PM
https://de.scribd.com/document/268124569/VTA-Vacuum-Triode-Amplifier-Construction-by-Floyd-A-Sweet (https://de.scribd.com/document/268124569/VTA-Vacuum-Triode-Amplifier-Construction-by-Floyd-A-Sweet)
Weight, temperature, fast Impulse, vortex, minimum demand,.....

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=8808220A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19881020&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=8808220A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19881020&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)
"..... Investigation relative to..... "
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19761217&CC=FR&NR=2312135A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19761217&CC=FR&NR=2312135A1&KC=A1#)
75 gr.  Ferrit permanent magnet sufficient for 1 KW permanent power output
coil arrangement and formula conditioning

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_magnetoresistance (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_magnetoresistance)  "forbidden"  ::)
Yes, a good link :
https://www.google.com/search?q=larmor&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=larmor&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
superconductor "thermal shock" versus "Barkhausen effect" : what happens in the "Weisssche Bezirk or Domaene"/Bloch wall

 Curie-temperature                                         Neel temperature. 

Negative Curie-temperature                         Negative Neel-temperature

Curie- frequency  ?                                          Neel-frequency ?


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=US&NR=2943189A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19600628&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=US&NR=2943189A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19600628&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)
original document page 2 ,line 15-20

1x dipole :                        power output. ?

2x dipoles connected  : power output ?

3x dipoles connected :  power output  ?
Mono, bi, tri

A.  not linear increase,numerical saturation
B.  ergo : dipoles-group array

Citing documents :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=2943189A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19600628&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=2943189A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19600628&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)


Thinking in multi-nano-TPU-array like : http://www.rexresearch.com/zaymidor/zajmidor.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/zaymidor/zajmidor.htm)

These links only for understanding the internal/external physical non-/ linear actio/reactio process and not as  reproduction scheme


Floyd Sweet electricity kind compared to https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021121&CC=US&NR=2002171299A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021121&CC=US&NR=2002171299A1&KC=A1#)
Il-logical or Paradox or unknown  !?

Superconduction and his anti-pole : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superinsulator (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superinsulator)
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on September 26, 2019, 03:56:23 PM
Bruce
 We have never spoken.... not for lack of trying on my part


 You are a man of faith ,  surrounded by a world with a great need
Please explain to us what part of you justifies withholding such a life-saving world changing technology


 How many more Christmases will pass ? how many more persons will suffer or Die ?
Do you have a number in mind? Or allowable extinctions ? Or pollution levels ?


Who Will you point the finger at ? and blame for those deaths , losses and that suffering


Or the Choking of our air and polluting of our planet
 this technology will change all of that

 Here we open source with a mission ....see Stefan‘s mission statement


 Here men toil and make great sacrifices for decades... see Stefan‘s mission statement



Onto whom so ever much is given much is required!


Moderator
Sorry to runoff your topic but this man is a conundrum to me ...and makes no sense to me at all.


 I see these interruptions as Taunts  and “hiddin” claims of success from a “man of faith” even more so .after all its not a knitting class or a cooking forum....
here Turbo has shared enuff for some very cool  experiments in a field which has Tonnes of interest [and builders]

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: kolbacict on September 27, 2019, 07:27:04 AM
Is a rotating transformer from a VCR ( DRUM) suitable for winding TPU ?
There is a cavity inside where you can put the winding.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on September 27, 2019, 07:53:04 AM
Bruce
 We have never spoken.... not for lack of trying on my part


 You are a man of faith ,  surrounded by a world with a great need
Please explain to us what part of you justifies withholding such a life-saving world changing technology


 How many more Christmases will pass ? how many more persons will suffer or Die ?
Do you have a number in mind? Or allowable extinctions ? Or pollution levels ?


Who Will you point the finger at ? and blame for those deaths , losses and that suffering


Or the Choking of our air and polluting of our planet
 this technology will change all of that

 Here we open source with a mission ....see Stefan‘s mission statement


 Here men toil and make great sacrifices for decades... see Stefan‘s mission statement



Onto whom so ever much is given much is required!


Moderator
Sorry to runoff your topic but this man is a conundrum to me ...and makes no sense to me at all.


 I see these interruptions as Taunts  and “hiddin” claims of success from a “man of faith” even more so .after all its not a knitting class or a cooking forum....
here Turbo has shared enuff for some very cool  experiments in a field which has Tonnes of interest [and builders]

No problem for me ... I have not read all the publications every year completely to keep track of how this story has been unfolding since the beginning but I am in favor that when something manifests in us seeking to favor a good bigger is always better to let these intentions manifest ... It is generating movement that we advance and evolve throughout the world ... and Forums of discussion are not made for it?  ;)
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on September 27, 2019, 02:38:10 PM
crashangel, I agree.

I once read ,"if you want to change the world,"Be" that change" .

 Live by example .

This man Turbo is one schmart Cookie [as they say in the Bronx [big compliment]
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: onepower on September 30, 2019, 11:27:22 PM
Ramset
Quote
Bruce
We have never spoken.... not for lack of trying on my part
You are a man of faith ,  surrounded by a world with a great need
Please explain to us what part of you justifies withholding such a life-saving world changing technology
How many more Christmases will pass ? how many more persons will suffer or Die ?
Do you have a number in mind? Or allowable extinctions ? Or pollution levels ?
Who Will you point the finger at ? and blame for those deaths , losses and that suffering

This is not the way my friend and it is this kind of attitude which created all our troubles in my opinion.
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."... Wisdom.

You obviously have questions so why not ask them?. If your question and your intent is truly sincere then you may find someone who will give a sincere answer. So what is it you would like to know?.

Regards



Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on October 01, 2019, 12:05:42 AM
Sir, You seem a sincere man  ,unfortunately Bruce made posts and removed them .so there is no context to my response.[since he seems to have admin moderator powers here perhaps he could remove all posts......responding to him too ?
Icky stuff indeed.

Perhaps a sincere question to you ?
if you had a Device that could save countless lives ,clean our air ,our oceans and insure our Children a path to a much brighter future ... where they could have the privilege to chose a different path...one free of all these consequences
what would you do ? [see Stefan's mission statement for what I would do ,and hopefully others who toil here.

Kind regards  , Chet K
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: poynt99 on October 01, 2019, 04:38:51 AM
It was tao that created that particular pic.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: tomd on October 01, 2019, 08:14:11 AM
Just a by the way. The three collector coils are arranged horizontally - not vertically as described in that picture.

https://overunity.com/17172/a-simple-question-about-tpu-replication-attempts/msg501932/#msg501932 (https://overunity.com/17172/a-simple-question-about-tpu-replication-attempts/msg501932/#msg501932)
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on October 01, 2019, 11:57:37 AM
Guys, I was reading all these documents that you shared here and once again I am thinking of rebuilding my device before starting to perform the control tests ... I saw that SM probably used iron wires on their TPU. .. I am thinking of doing this that surely will get a kick with higher powers and it seems that this was what gave that feeling of movement like a sander as I read in one of the previous posts ...

Now my question is, did SM use iron wire on the 3 pickup coils and the 3 controller coils?
Would those stainless steel electric wire fence reels fit this?

Could this be a plausible path?  ::)
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: e2matrix on October 01, 2019, 05:52:47 PM
I think you'd probably want iron wire.   I heard of using coated green garden wire (often used for tying up plants).  I'd avoid stainless steel wire which is mostly non-magnetic.   
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on October 01, 2019, 07:16:11 PM
Guys, I was reading all these documents that you shared here and once again I am thinking of rebuilding my device before starting to perform the control tests ... I saw that SM probably used iron wires on their TPU. .. I am thinking of doing this that surely will get a kick with higher powers and it seems that this was what gave that feeling of movement like a sander as I read in one of the previous posts ...

Now my question is, did SM use iron wire on the 3 pickup coils and the 3 controller coils?
Would those stainless steel electric wire fence reels fit this?

Could this be a plausible path?  ::)

Iron wire in the early models.
It's better if you first find out why and how before continue because like i said you have to use meaning in your research.
You have to know why you do what you do.
Otherwise its just one more useless coil and we wrapped so many of them.

If you use this type of wire the specs are as follows:

There are four naturally occurring isotopes of iron:
Isotope | Abundance
54Fe, 5.845%
56Fe, 91.754%
57Fe, 2.119%
58Fe, 0.282%

amu or atomic mass unit:

 Iron-54 has a mass of 54 amu, Iron-56 is 56 amu, Iron-57 is 57 amu, and iron-58 is 58 amu.

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: onepower on October 02, 2019, 12:07:23 AM
I think SM nailed it when he said nobody is going to throw this together and make it work without first having some idea how it could work conceptually.

SM made some comments I thought were interesting
Quote
The kick is universally atributed to the earth's magnetc feld.  OK the point is; YOU CAN GET SOME ENERGY OUT OF THE EARTH!  Next point; YOU CAN DO SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE WITH A WIRE TO SHOW THIS.

I would simply rephrase what SM said -- "YOU CAN DO SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE WITH A WIRE TO GET SOME ENERGY OUT OF THE EARTH".

This was interesting however I also remember SM mentioning that the control input and the collector output both showed up on the load. So the input does something to the collectors then both the input and collector output drive the load?. To many I suspect this means very little as normally they believe the input is somehow consumed but here SM implies it is not.

If A is the input and B is the collector output then the power output to the load is actually A+B. If the output is A+B then why not use B to power the load and simply recycle A back to the input to repeat the next cycle?. As such it would seem to me that the logical place to start would be to 1) figure out how to get some energy from the Earth with a wire and 2) how to use the input in such a way that it always adds to the output.

Regards

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on October 02, 2019, 08:24:44 AM
...
 2) how to use the input in such a way that it always adds to the output.


Hi 1pwr
It might be something simple like in Floyd's drawing.

Regards
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on October 02, 2019, 10:22:22 AM
I think SM nailed it when he said nobody is going to throw this together and make it work without first having some idea how it could work conceptually.

SM made some comments I thought were interesting
I would simply rephrase what SM said -- "YOU CAN DO SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE WITH A WIRE TO GET SOME ENERGY OUT OF THE EARTH".

This was interesting however I also remember SM mentioning that the control input and the collector output both showed up on the load. So the input does something to the collectors then both the input and collector output drive the load?. To many I suspect this means very little as normally they believe the input is somehow consumed but here SM implies it is not.

If A is the input and B is the collector output then the power output to the load is actually A+B. If the output is A+B then why not use B to power the load and simply recycle A back to the input to repeat the next cycle?. As such it would seem to me that the logical place to start would be to 1) figure out how to get some energy from the Earth with a wire and 2) how to use the input in such a way that it always adds to the output.

Regards

I'm going to rephrase it in a different way.

"YOU CAN DO SOMETHING NUCLEAR WITH A WIRE TO GET SOME ENERGY OUT OF IT".

He admitted that he didnt know where it came from, he also admitted that they thought it was the earth's field because it was the obvious choice, he then wrote that there is a nuclear connection, this happened after someone from the atomic energy commission actually told him how it worked.

Please read the whole thing and not just half of it because you need a complete picture.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on October 02, 2019, 02:25:17 PM
Turbo,To most who have been paying attention ,it is quite apparent that energy is locked up in every single piece of our reality ,there is no such thing as "still ".. all is in motion and always has been,Here on this Rock you can not see or touch or breathe anything which is not in "perpetual motion"

Your path towards harvesting energy from this "perpetual motion" should be self evident
to most who pay attention ,that is to say ...we're surrounded by Batteries or energy stores  of unimaginable potential.
plenty will play here and not question your reasoning .

There are some very serious experimenters chasing other "claims" which have come to the same conclusion as you .////
A big task is Managing the control circuits to do this...[this is all a moving target]
and you have pointed out "time has changed things" ,the systems to manage this are available now at ridiculous prices and availability .
 and your suggested "magnetic cage" to contain/control things...[magnetic field ?very nice piece of information .
and for clarity ,Transmutation as a source/path to Cheap power ,indescribable power.
 Tremendous gratitude here.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: icarus on October 02, 2019, 03:12:30 PM
Turbo,
over the years I have built so many tpu attempts: as I all have my toroid cemetery.
In the end the impression has always been to build inefficient transformers.
And at that point, after years of TPU saga, I stopped caring about it.
Until I saw a "Creating TPU Steven_Mark" thread and started reading everything again.

Your nuclear theory is a point of view that makes sense and could explain everything.
The clues you have given us are numerous and precise, but to start we must at least know from where.
So, the fundamental information: the kicks.
How can we measure them, see them, understand that we have released them?

I don't think with an oscilloscope: if they are high-energy particles, it is more likely with a geiger counter.

What do you think about it?

Finally, the question that no one dares to ask you: where do you stand?
Did you succeed? You're okay or this thing in the long run has somehow damaged you,
in the physical or in the mind?

Thanks  for your patience and generosity
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on October 02, 2019, 03:34:54 PM
Steven had to be able to answer 'NO' to the question does it contain any batteries.
This meant he had to improve the design to a level where it could power itself.

That's quite the turn of events when you analyse it.
The feedback makes the thing so dangerous.

He called it a furnace which feeds itself, the hotter it gets, the more fuel it gives itself to burn.

You can think in terms of chain reactions.

You can have a sub critical mass, a critical mass, and a super critical mass.

So lets look at these.

A sub critical mass does not have the ability to sustain a chain reaction.
A critical mass is able to sustain a chain reaction.
In A super critical mass the chain reaction will proceed at an increasing rate.

There is a quote in the doc:
Quote
the only thing that will stop a red collector is the disintegration of the matter acting as a receiver. IE. the wires all burn up.

This is not to say that is is not possible to create a device that is safe and that does not have the dangers of the runaway event but one that has to be powered in a different way as in the feedback mechanism will have to be either removed entirely, or modified to the extent where no direct feedback loop is present.

Lets say the iron wire is at a sub critical state.

And it moves to a critical state when the sub atomic sub harmonic frequency is applied.

Sub because these atomic frequencies are way too high to generate, but you can use a lower frequency.
This is like pushing a kid on a swing, but only pushing the swing 1 out of five swings.
If you make sure that your push is strong enough, and contains enough energy, you can still power the swing with an increasing result.
Also remember that the target frequency can be altered by using a bias field.

Only when there is a direct feedback loop, will there be concern for a runaway event.
So that state is super critical, because there is no limiting factor.

Unfortunately the design with the 3*3 coils is the one that is so dangerous because of the direct feedback loop.
So this is why i advised to start with the basic effect,
It can be as simple as
Two coils and a magnet, and one frequency.

I would also want to refer to the carl doc.

Quote
1. When one builds a bifilar coil, using one winding for power, and one for trigger, and drive this with a transistor, there is a certain point, when you bring a magnet close to one end of the coil, you will get a loud squealing noise from the coil.
This feedback is the result of the trigger and power coil constantly switching the power transistor used to drive that coil off and on again.
It is also a point where that coil/transistor combination produce a high voltage output which one can gather from the collector of the transistor.
If left unchecked, this resonant frequency of on/off switching will burn up the transistor, and thus a resistor must be put into the trigger winding circuit to lessen the voltage produced in the winding.

So now this boils it down to two coils and a magnet and a transistor,
That is 4 parts and a power supply or battery.
It's not exactly bifilar in the same plane, but think tunnel, CRT beam, aerodynamic wing design.

The meaning in this experiment is to understand that:
* There could be a point where the frequency interacts with the electrons at the atomic level,
* Feeding them energy in their own phase,
* So that they gain kinetic energy.
* And break free from their bonds.

And that:
* The magnet is used to force them into a specific path, combining their kinetic energies.
* The magnet is also used to control the frequency.

Do you think this experiment is difficult ?

Two coils and a transistor ?

I was just waiting for one of these joule thieve enthusiasts would hit on something but it just never happened.

I'd recon the idea of the microphone that is too close to the speaker.
Everybody knows the sound of the high pitch whine that will arise.
The air between the mic and the speaker starts vibrating and the input can 'hear' the output.
And this is a type of feedback loop that is comparable in a sense that the 'frequency starts to feed itself'.
Itself, and not themselves, because there is only one in this SIMPLE experiment.
That is, until you hit the center frequency, and then you have two frequencies to work with.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Grumage on October 02, 2019, 04:33:12 PM
Hi Turbo.

Indeed not.

I originally joined OU.Com, under another name in 2008. Back then, heavily into the work of John Bedini.

Using his famous SSG circuit I got the effect you mention by offering a second coil and Ceramic magnet towards the bifilar sense and drive coil. The arrangement literally " squealed " audibly.

I also remember a video at the time where the guy, doing the same as I did, was literally shouting
" this is OU " over and over again.

If NMR is the " source " of excess energy then a Geiger Muller counter is a must whilst experimenting. Don't forget that they are susceptible to HF/HV interference.

Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: onepower on October 02, 2019, 04:59:35 PM
Turbo
Quote
I'm going to rephrase it in a different way.
"YOU CAN DO SOMETHING NUCLEAR WITH A WIRE TO GET SOME ENERGY OUT OF IT".
He admitted that he didnt know where it came from, he also admitted that they thought it was the earth's field because it was the obvious choice, he then wrote that there is a nuclear connection, this happened after someone from the atomic energy commission actually told him how it worked.

So your saying SM didn't know where the energy came from but believed a person who said the energy was nuclear in origin?. That's actually kind of funny because from my research I would guess well over 95% of the people who claimed to have a working FE device had literally no idea where the energy comes from either. This is why I like to keep my options and my mind open concerning these kinds of things because we don't know.

However conceptually, nuclear is just a fancy term to describe some small stuff breaking apart and releasing some energy in a universe full of stuff already in perpetual motion which is also energy. As such I don't think it's a big deal and as Richard Feynman said... there is enough energy in a cubic foot of empty space to boil all the worlds oceans. Strange isn't it?, there may be more energy in the empty space next to a nuclear process than that occurring within it.

In my opinion if we we are to keep a truly open mind we would also have to consider the alternate perspective to our blind materialism whereby space is the high energy state and matter the low energy state and not vice versa. Science would seem to be moving in this direction as well with the notion of dark matter/energy. Dark meaning we cannot see it not unlike the notion of an Electric Universe or the Aether. It would seem what was very old has become new again... once again repeating itself.

It Ain’t What You Don’t Know That Gets You Into Trouble. It’s What You Know for Sure That Just Ain’t So... Mark Twain
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on October 03, 2019, 10:45:59 PM
Hi Turbo.

Indeed not.

I originally joined OU.Com, under another name in 2008. Back then, heavily into the work of John Bedini.

Using his famous SSG circuit I got the effect you mention by offering a second coil and Ceramic magnet towards the bifilar sense and drive coil. The arrangement literally " squealed " audibly.

I also remember a video at the time where the guy, doing the same as I did, was literally shouting
" this is OU " over and over again.

If NMR is the " source " of excess energy then a Geiger Muller counter is a must whilst experimenting. Don't forget that they are susceptible to HF/HV interference.

Cheers Graham.

You can make a geiger counter yourself it only involves a few components you need a high voltage source and a detector tube these are still widely available on used products sites as NOS new old stock and also some Chinese websites.

By the way it does not have to be a tube you can also build something like a spark chamber see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOtFIffQILw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOtFIffQILw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8GlzUjYazs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8GlzUjYazs)

Now it would be interesting to see if these kicks would also trigger the bifilar coil and transistor combo like the magnet does........
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on October 03, 2019, 10:52:57 PM
Turbo
So your saying SM didn't know where the energy came from but believed a person who said the energy was nuclear in origin?. That's actually kind of funny because from my research I would guess well over 95% of the people who claimed to have a working FE device had literally no idea where the energy comes from either. This is why I like to keep my options and my mind open concerning these kinds of things because we don't know.

However conceptually, nuclear is just a fancy term to describe some small stuff breaking apart and releasing some energy in a universe full of stuff already in perpetual motion which is also energy. As such I don't think it's a big deal and as Richard Feynman said... there is enough energy in a cubic foot of empty space to boil all the worlds oceans. Strange isn't it?, there may be more energy in the empty space next to a nuclear process than that occurring within it.

In my opinion if we we are to keep a truly open mind we would also have to consider the alternate perspective to our blind materialism whereby space is the high energy state and matter the low energy state and not vice versa. Science would seem to be moving in this direction as well with the notion of dark matter/energy. Dark meaning we cannot see it not unlike the notion of an Electric Universe or the Aether. It would seem what was very old has become new again... once again repeating itself.

It Ain’t What You Don’t Know That Gets You Into Trouble. It’s What You Know for Sure That Just Ain’t So... Mark Twain

Yes exactly he said it numerous times.

Quote
other place.
I mean we believed very strongly that the power we converted came from the earth's magnetic field.
We believed that mainly because it is the obvious choice.
However please consider that we had no way of confirming exactly where the power comes from.
I am not sure how anyone would confirm that at this point.
And it isn't really important at this juncture.
All we can do is build bigger and better power units and continue our experiments till we do know for sure exactly what we are dealing with.
This is exactly what I said to Dr. Schinzinger the first day I met him.
I blatantly admitted that we knew how to make the music but had no idea how the violin worked.

Quote
Let us ponder where the huge magnetic field comes from when you explode an atomic bomb.
It is just created?
Is it converted?
Is it part of the earth somehow?
Is it just a by product of the fabric of time and space being ripped into pieces in a fragment of a second?
I am curious as to where this unbelievably huge magnetic force comes from during an atomic explosion...
It is something else to think about.
perhaps in connection with my power technology.

Here is an example of (electro) magnetic deflection electrons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSode4HZrE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSode4HZrE)
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: onepower on October 04, 2019, 12:33:25 AM
Turbo
Quote
other place.
I mean we believed very strongly that the power we converted came from the earth's magnetic field.
We believed that mainly because it is the obvious choice.
However please consider that we had no way of confirming exactly where the power comes from.
I am not sure how anyone would confirm that at this point.
And it isn't really important at this juncture.
All we can do is build bigger and better power units and continue our experiments till we do know for sure exactly what we are dealing with.
This is exactly what I said to Dr. Schinzinger the first day I met him.
I blatantly admitted that we knew how to make the music but had no idea how the violin worked.

All they would have to do is place the device in a steel box ie. Faraday cage to exclude Earths magnetic field/EM signals and they would know. I mean this is high school science 101.

Quote
Let us ponder where the huge magnetic field comes from when you explode an atomic bomb.
It is just created?
Is it converted?
Is it part of the earth somehow?
Is it just a by product of the fabric of time and space being ripped into pieces in a fragment of a second?
I am curious as to where this unbelievably huge magnetic force comes from during an atomic explosion...
It is something else to think about.
perhaps in connection with my power technology.

This is strange as well, moving charges produce a magnetic field and a big explosion accelerating/compressing an absurd amount of charges in a small time frame produces a big magnetic field change. Granted an EMP weapon uses explosives to move the conductor carrying charge and it's associated magnetic field however the principal still holds. It does not matter how or why the charges are moved to produce a magnetic field change only that they do move. Again SM seems to be having a problem with what is routinely taught in high school science class. Hell my son made an EM disrupter and smoked a cell phone in grade 8 which isn't even classified as high school, lol.

In the end, at worst SM fits the standard profile of just another inventor who stumbled onto something they didn't understand and tried to turn it into a business for profit. It works until the environment goes to shit, the economy collapses, billions die a premature death and money becomes worthless... then it doesn't so much.

Regards
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on October 04, 2019, 08:29:57 AM
Quote from: Turbo link=topic=18325.msg539491#msg539491
Here is an example of (electro) magnetic deflection electrons: [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSode4HZrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSode4HZrE[/url]

Great video for visualizing the effects. Thank you!

I wonder if spark detectors can also sense the beta radiation along with alpha as i think that this is the case here.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on October 04, 2019, 10:16:29 AM
Turbo
All they would have to do is place the device in a steel box ie. Faraday cage to exclude Earths magnetic field/EM signals and they would know. I mean this is high school science 101.

This is strange as well, moving charges produce a magnetic field and a big explosion accelerating/compressing an absurd amount of charges in a small time frame produces a big magnetic field change. Granted an EMP weapon uses explosives to move the conductor carrying charge and it's associated magnetic field however the principal still holds. It does not matter how or why the charges are moved to produce a magnetic field change only that they do move. Again SM seems to be having a problem with what is routinely taught in high school science class. Hell my son made an EM disrupter and smoked a cell phone in grade 8 which isn't even classified as high school, lol.

In the end, at worst SM fits the standard profile of just another inventor who stumbled onto something they didn't understand and tried to turn it into a business for profit. It works until the environment goes to shit, the economy collapses, billions die a premature death and money becomes worthless... then it doesn't so much.

Regards

You can't just judge someone or something on like he should have know this or they should have known that, because my 8 years old son or the textbooks.
That's not what we are doing here we are trying to verify and confirm things, not debunk them with whatever we can find to throw into the ring.
Keeping an open mind is essential in this process.
My advice to you would be to take your son's textbook and give him some wire to play with in stead.

By the way they did test it in a metal box and confirmed that it still operated as before.
The fact that you seem to think that a Faraday cage blocks the Earths magnetic field is disturbing.
Did you miss some day's at science 101 ?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on October 04, 2019, 10:21:24 AM
Great video for visualizing the effects. Thank you!

I wonder if spark detectors can also sense the beta radiation along with alpha as i think that this is the case here.

I guess anything that helps ionizing the air up to the point of breakdown will do that.
And if it's really a close gap or high tension possibly even UV light.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Cadman on October 04, 2019, 03:53:02 PM

I’m trying to get the gist of the method straight, and maybe learn something here.

As I understand what has been written there is a coil in the shape of a ring (coil #1) that has another coil wrapped around it (coil #2). Coil 2 has a dc current in it to create a magnetic field. This field in coil 2 is basically shaped like a round tube. Centered inside this magnetic tube is coil #1. When coil 1 is properly pulsed it emits electrons, which are confined inside the magnetic field (tube) of coil #2 and aligned with the direction of the field inside #2. Then coil 2 is pulsed with a stronger current to drive the electrons back onto coil #1 and an increased current can then be taken from coil #1.

Is this correct so far?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Raycathode on October 04, 2019, 05:30:58 PM
Have you come across this video yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26QqUKoQpO4
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on October 04, 2019, 06:37:53 PM
I’m trying to get the gist of the method straight, and maybe learn something here.

As I understand what has been written there is a coil in the shape of a ring (coil #1) that has another coil wrapped around it (coil #2). Coil 2 has a dc current in it to create a magnetic field. This field in coil 2 is basically shaped like a round tube. Centered inside this magnetic tube is coil #1. When coil 1 is properly pulsed it emits electrons, which are confined inside the magnetic field (tube) of coil #2 and aligned with the direction of the field inside #2. Then coil 2 is pulsed with a stronger current to drive the electrons back onto coil #1 and an increased current can then be taken from coil #1.

Is this correct so far?

Very close.

Coil 2 is more oval or even a high rectangle shaped, because Coil 1 is not interleaved so the turns are wrapped in a specific way.



Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: lancaIV on October 04, 2019, 07:17:00 PM
Related #128 :
earth velocity in the planetary-sun radius  : 30 Km/ per second

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light)

300.000 Km/s

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.weltderphysik.de%2Fgebiet%2Funiversum%2Fnews%2F2012%2Fschwarzes-loch-erzeugt-super-wind%2F (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.weltderphysik.de%2Fgebiet%2Funiversum%2Fnews%2F2012%2Fschwarzes-loch-erzeugt-super-wind%2F)
Wind ( 8888 Km/ s faster than earth rotation but slower than light. velocity !


When we remark astro-physical such differences how is quantum/nano-sphere actio/reactio velocity spread to ex(s)pect. !?
device cooling  : TPU in a fridge ( cryo- temperature : power density higher/ lower. ?)
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on October 08, 2019, 10:05:06 AM
Turbo. your method for hunting ? seems the keys to the city !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBL9pS6GMdA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBL9pS6GMdA)
also shared By Magluvin
and a re post with a simple beginning [feel free to modify or ??
Turbo Quote,
Steven had to be able to answer 'NO' to the question does it contain any batteries.
This meant he had to improve the design to a level where it could power itself.

That's quite the turn of events when you analyse it.
The feedback makes the thing so dangerous.

He called it a furnace which feeds itself, the hotter it gets, the more fuel it gives itself to burn.

You can think in terms of chain reactions.

You can have a sub critical mass, a critical mass, and a super critical mass.

So lets look at these.

A sub critical mass does not have the ability to sustain a chain reaction.
A critical mass is able to sustain a chain reaction.
In A super critical mass the chain reaction will proceed at an increasing rate.

There is a quote in the doc:
Quote<blockquote> the only thing that will stop a red collector is the disintegration of the matter acting as a receiver. IE. the wires all burn up.
</blockquote>
This is not to say that is is not possible to create a device that is safe and that does not have the dangers of the runaway event but one that has to be powered in a different way as in the feedback mechanism will have to be either removed entirely, or modified to the extent where no direct feedback loop is present.

Lets say the iron wire is at a sub critical state.

And it moves to a critical state when the sub atomic sub harmonic frequency is applied.

Sub because these atomic frequencies are way too high to generate, but you can use a lower frequency.
This is like pushing a kid on a swing, but only pushing the swing 1 out of five swings.
If you make sure that your push is strong enough, and contains enough energy, you can still power the swing with an increasing result.
Also remember that the target frequency can be altered by using a bias field.

Only when there is a direct feedback loop, will there be concern for a runaway event.
So that state is super critical, because there is no limiting factor.

Unfortunately the design with the 3*3 coils is the one that is so dangerous because of the direct feedback loop.
So this is why i advised to start with the basic effect,
It can be as simple as
Two coils and a magnet, and one frequency.

I would also want to refer to the carl doc.

Quote<blockquote>1. When one builds a bifilar coil, using one winding for power, and one for trigger, and drive this with a transistor, there is a certain point, when you bring a magnet close to one end of the coil, you will get a loud squealing noise from the coil.
This feedback is the result of the trigger and power coil constantly switching the power transistor used to drive that coil off and on again.
It is also a point where that coil/transistor combination produce a high voltage output which one can gather from the collector of the transistor.
If left unchecked, this resonant frequency of on/off switching will burn up the transistor, and thus a resistor must be put into the trigger winding circuit to lessen the voltage produced in the winding.

</blockquote>
So now this boils it down to two coils and a magnet and a transistor,
That is 4 parts and a power supply or battery.
It's not exactly bifilar in the same plane, but think tunnel, CRT beam, aerodynamic wing design.

The meaning in this experiment is to understand that:
* There could be a point where the frequency interacts with the electrons at the atomic level,
* Feeding them energy in their own phase,
* So that they gain kinetic energy.
* And break free from their bonds.

And that:
* The magnet is used to force them into a specific path, combining their kinetic energies.
* The magnet is also used to control the frequency.

Do you think this experiment is difficult ?

Two coils and a transistor ?

I was just waiting for one of these joule thieve enthusiasts would hit on something but it just never happened.

I'd recon the idea of the microphone that is too close to the speaker.
Everybody knows the sound of the high pitch whine that will arise.
The air between the mic and the speaker starts vibrating and the input can 'hear' the output.
And this is a type of feedback loop that is comparable in a sense that the 'frequency starts to feed itself'.
Itself, and not themselves, because there is only one in this SIMPLE experiment.
That is, until you hit the center frequency, and then you have two frequencies to work with.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Cadman on October 08, 2019, 02:50:53 PM
Turbo,

Is this relevant? If not then crashangel, please delete this post. I don’t wish to mislead anyone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall-effect_thruster#Operation

 A radial magnetic field of about 100–300 G (0.01–0.03 T) is used to confine the electrons,
where the combination of the radial magnetic field and axial electric field cause the electrons to drift in azimuth
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on October 08, 2019, 10:07:35 PM
Turbo,

Is this relevant? If not then crashangel, please delete this post. I don’t wish to mislead anyone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall-effect_thruster#Operation

 A radial magnetic field of about 100–300 G (0.01–0.03 T) is used to confine the electrons,
where the combination of the radial magnetic field and axial electric field cause the electrons to drift in azimuth

This uses a propellant in the form of a gas. but the acceleration of ions in an electric field is there.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on October 10, 2019, 03:08:52 PM
Turbo, still working on collecting pieces for here.
One piece which shows solidarity with NMR theme ,from experimenter Partzman  below.
archive reference link  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=302.msg64595#msg64595 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=302.msg64595#msg64595)
as always, if any info inappropriate please remove or ?
will be calling another experimenter hunting Iron NMR in "Gray tube" experiments today , hopefully to participate here too.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: lancaIV on October 10, 2019, 03:18:09 PM
MRI/MRA to NMR to TMR
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_magnetoresistance

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on October 22, 2019, 03:32:05 PM
just a note...for those who are not aware ,this topic or experimental direction is focusing on an MO
which was hinted at in the past..... NMR  and would seem a topology to manifest an "event"is well within grasp .and the experiments can be very small [tiny] at first.
 Chet
also a note to Lancaiv Please don't feel compelled to bury all the topics here with Reams of mysterious data.
Maybe count to............. a million ?  ...before pressing send or stay in your own boards Or ??
you buried the water fuel topic and Gunderson topic and others [which will hopefully be rebooted soon too.
note to moderator ,Delete if inappropriate . still working on Pieces........
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on October 22, 2019, 06:27:04 PM
just a note...for those who are not aware ,this topic or experimental direction is focusing on an MO
which was hinted at in the past..... NMR  and would seem a topology to manifest an "event"is well within grasp .and the experiments can be very small [tiny] at first.
 Chet
also a note to Lancaiv Please don't feel compelled to bury all the topics here with Reams of mysterious data.
Maybe count to............. a million ?  ...before pressing send or stay in your own boards Or ??
you buried the water fuel topic and Gunderson topic and others [which will hopefully be rebooted soon too.
note to moderator ,Delete if inappropriate . still working on Pieces........

Very nice this device ... It has a lot of information that can help in the development of the SM TPU with iron wires ... I will give one more research ...

Gratitude...
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on October 22, 2019, 10:12:04 PM
Very nice this device ... It has a lot of information that can help in the development of the SM TPU with iron wires ... I will give one more research ...

Gratitude...

Of course you are not limited to using iron.
You can also use Aluminium wire or CCA Copper-clad Aluminium wire.

Note that Aluminium:
In 1934 J. Curie first succeeded in artificially producing phosphorus-30 by bombarding Aluminium with α-particles.
This was the first man-made radionuclide.
And it is radioactive, with a half life of 2.50 Minutes....
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on October 25, 2019, 01:58:40 AM
Of course you are not limited to using iron.
You can also use Aluminium wire or CCA Copper-clad Aluminium wire.

Note that Aluminium:
In 1934 J. Curie first succeeded in artificially producing phosphorus-30 by bombarding Aluminium with α-particles.
This was the first man-made radionuclide.
And it is radioactive, with a half life of 2.50 Minutes....


Hummmm  ;D

Now I felt firm !!!!
I have a hard time finding iron here in my region ....  :'(

but ask me a question ... what advantages would it have to use aluminum cable instead of copper cable? Is the conductivity of copper no better than aluminum? with aluminum I could not try to use magnets is not true?

Gratitude...
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Jeg on October 25, 2019, 07:58:55 AM
what advantages would it have to use aluminum cable instead of copper cable?


Hi
In the triboelectric series list you will find that aluminum gives electrons more easily than copper. You can use it as a cable but also as a core. It is up to the exeperimenter.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: onepower on October 25, 2019, 04:44:59 PM
Ramset
Quote
just a note...for those who are not aware ,this topic or experimental direction is focusing on an MO
which was hinted at in the past..... NMR  and would seem a topology to manifest an "event"is well within grasp .and the experiments can be very small [tiny] at first.

In my opinion NMR is the wrong direction because most of the people who claimed it may be responsible for FE didn't have the capacity to understand or test whether it was or not. They most likely cherry picked a phenomena and said, oh this must be it which is not valid science.

A better and easier direction in my opinion is what SM implied was energy addition. SM said the input was added to the output... think about that. Most think the input is somehow consumed or used up however SM said the input shows up on the output. So if the input X is added to the output Y making the final output X+Y then what have we lost?... the answer is we lose nothing.

If the input X is 100% of the input energy and the output Y is equal to it at 100% then the COP is 2 or 200% efficiency. Now even if the total efficiency was only 80% with 20% losses the total output is still 160% of the input. So theoretically a device could have a total efficiency of only 51% and still be self-sustaining provided the input and output energy were combined.

Another important point is that SM said he was thinking about how one could add the input to the output prior to developing the TPU. Do you understand?, the concept of adding the input to the output was integrated into the working concept of the TPU. I have found the best place to begin replicating a device is at the beginning. To do the same basic experiments as the inventor which allowed them to gain the understanding to build a working device.

Regards



Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on November 03, 2019, 05:34:39 AM
Hi guys, I finished my tpu today .... It was hard work ... I used a 26 AWG aluminum wire. SM said that multiple wires would do better so instead of putting multiple wires into one to make the collector I created a collector with multiple layers of coiled wires overlapping each other .... as the wire is too small and coiled in a tube of plastic looked like a tape ... after the several layers of tape on top of each other I organized the wires and soldered them to become a collector ... and so did the 3 collectors .... put a kind of foam rubber to separate each collector from each other in place of cork ....

Well, now I have 3 input coils, 3 output coils, 3 input collectors and 3 output collectors ....

I would like to know how would you connect the collectors? Leave it all in one collector? I put a diode in the output and then turn it back on the input or some capacitor? I put a diode in the collectors input?

I kind of got lost now ... if anyone can help it would be great !!!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Raycathode on November 03, 2019, 08:31:53 AM
Hi guys, I finished my tpu today .... It was hard work ... I used a 26 AWG aluminum wire. SM said that multiple wires would do better so instead of putting multiple wires into one to make the collector I created a collector with multiple layers of coiled wires overlapping each other .... as the wire is too small and coiled in a tube of plastic looked like a tape ... after the several layers of tape on top of each other I organized the wires and soldered them to become a collector ... and so did the 3 collectors .... put a kind of foam rubber to separate each collector from each other in place of cork ....

Well, now I have 3 input coils, 3 output coils, 3 input collectors and 3 output collectors ....

I would like to know how would you connect the collectors? Leave it all in one collector? I put a diode in the output and then turn it back on the input or some capacitor? I put a diode in the collectors input?

I kind of got lost now ... if anyone can help it would be great !!!

Thanks!
What is it you have built a ring of 9 volt batteries  ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26QqUKoQpO4
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on November 03, 2019, 01:06:49 PM
Dear Raymond the crumb dropping tormentor

Dropping crumbs or hints [elsewhere] intimating great knowledge...and then pokingfun here...
isn't there a Cat somewhere you should be beating ?
are you waiting for your favorite show and bored ?
moderator please remove [my post]... these guys who just taunt [for YEARS} or make excuses ...got old a long time ago.
there is something in the wind ,,,and if true ....open source will have its day.
and the hiding "know it alls" can choke on their crumbs !!
This is not a game ,people do die every tick of the clock ,species are perishing at almost the same rate ,our planet is turning into a cesspool of polluted crap. Maybe a few more oil wars ??
we can't fix this fast enuff !!
yeah I know...everything is fine at your house !!
please remove this post....these chicken turd excuse makers make me nauseous 
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on November 03, 2019, 01:23:46 PM
What is it you have built a ring of 9 volt batteries  ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26QqUKoQpO4

Yes, exactly!

 ;D
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on November 03, 2019, 02:20:23 PM
Hi guys, I finished my tpu today .... It was hard work ... I used a 26 AWG aluminum wire. SM said that multiple wires would do better so instead of putting multiple wires into one to make the collector I created a collector with multiple layers of coiled wires overlapping each other .... as the wire is too small and coiled in a tube of plastic looked like a tape ... after the several layers of tape on top of each other I organized the wires and soldered them to become a collector ... and so did the 3 collectors .... put a kind of foam rubber to separate each collector from each other in place of cork ....

Well, now I have 3 input coils, 3 output coils, 3 input collectors and 3 output collectors ....

I would like to know how would you connect the collectors? Leave it all in one collector? I put a diode in the output and then turn it back on the input or some capacitor? I put a diode in the collectors input?

I kind of got lost now ... if anyone can help it would be great !!!

Thanks!

Well i can't help because you just did everything i advised not to start with.
What are your expectations ?
That it will somehow magically light up a light bulb ?
It doesn't matter how you connect it because any way will lead to the same outcome.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Thaelin on November 03, 2019, 04:04:56 PM
Turbo, you can only suggest. In the end, they will build it the  way they think it should be. Their nickle now.


I personally am starting at the beginning and trying to produce an input that will show a larger return. What I call step one. Steven gave many hints to how so on we go.


thay

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: onepower on November 03, 2019, 11:46:32 PM
Crashangel
Quote
Well, now I have 3 input coils, 3 output coils, 3 input collectors and 3 output collectors ....
I would like to know how would you connect the collectors? Leave it all in one collector? I put a diode in the output and then turn it back on the input or some capacitor? I put a diode in the collectors input?
I kind of got lost now ... if anyone can help it would be great !!!

It's easy to get lost and before we build something it should be clear in our mind what were building is supposed to do and how it is supposed to do it. Thus building comes after we have a theory of operation and after we have worked out how everything is connected and switched. Otherwise what were building is little more than an expensive paper weight.

If you could post a picture with all the connections labelled that might help.

Regards
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: crashangel on November 04, 2019, 04:27:16 AM
Ok, this is device!

we have one in and one out for each control coil and collecting coil ...
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on November 04, 2019, 03:38:06 PM
Yes it looks good.
You will probably have that up and running in no time  :)
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: zapnic on November 05, 2019, 10:36:16 AM
"You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose.
Picture a hose with water in it.
If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will
move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving.
You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water
along as well.
And you could do both to control the movement of the water more
precisely.
You can think of the movement of water as the movement of
electrons through the collector coils."

"squeeze the hose" and " movement of water as the movement of
electrons through the collector coils."
Venturi effect ......hmmmm Is TPU   ... Electric Venturi Effect Turbine?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: AlienGrey on November 05, 2019, 11:50:20 AM
"You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose.
Picture a hose with water in it.
If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will
move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving.
You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water
along as well.
And you could do both to control the movement of the water more
precisely.
You can think of the movement of water as the movement of
electrons through the collector coils."

"squeeze the hose" and " movement of water as the movement of
electrons through the collector coils."
Venturi effect ......hmmmm Is TPU   ... Electric Venturi Effect Turbine?
Yeah but the fact is your ignoring how it really works if indeed iy does and it's not like that I have seen some video by Brian you would do well to wake up and watch it and change your aproch acordingly.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on November 05, 2019, 01:39:25 PM
"You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose.
Picture a hose with water in it.
If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will
move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving.
You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water
along as well.
And you could do both to control the movement of the water more
precisely.
You can think of the movement of water as the movement of
electrons through the collector coils."

"squeeze the hose" and " movement of water as the movement of
electrons through the collector coils."
Venturi effect ......hmmmm Is TPU   ... Electric Venturi Effect Turbine?

Yes it's Venturi.
You finally found the secret after a decade of experiments and research.
Congrats !
If you look close in one of the vids, you can see the gigantic electric fan that Steven used and that is providing the kinetic wind energy to power the TPU Venture Generator.
Of course the humming was a problem and that is why they always used a voice over sound track that was synced to the events in the video.

He came to this great idea when he was talking to a guy who fixes lawn mowers and leaf blowers.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Raycathode on November 06, 2019, 08:04:12 AM
Quote from: zapnic on November 05, 2019, 10:36:16 AM

    "You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose.
    Picture a hose with water in it.
    If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will
    move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving.
    You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water
    along as well.
    And you could do both to control the movement of the water more
    precisely.
    You can think of the movement of water as the movement of
    electrons through the collector coils."

    "squeeze the hose" and " movement of water as the movement of
    electrons through the collector coils."
    Venturi effect ......hmmmm Is TPU   ... Electric Venturi Effect Turbine?


Yes it's Venturi.
You finally found the secret after a decade of experiments and research.
Congrats !
If you look close in one of the vids, you can see the gigantic electric fan that Steven used and that is providing the kinetic wind energy to power the TPU Venture Generator.
Of course the humming was a problem and that is why they always used a voice over sound track that was synced to the events in the video.

He came to this great idea when he was talking to a guy who fixes lawn mowers and leaf blowers.

What on earth are you on about there are no moving parts on any of his devices !
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: lancaIV on November 06, 2019, 01:11:51 PM
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3330899&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3330899&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)
Venturi  ? Is the Biot-Savart law an electro-magnetic venturi velocity ( and pressure)  in-/ decreasing formula. ?
But : the Biot-Savart law also denominated : Ampere law and Laplace law. !
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: onepower on November 07, 2019, 04:51:37 PM
Zapnic
Quote
"You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose.
Picture a hose with water in it.
If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will
move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving.
You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water
along as well.

You are correct and SM used this analogy many times when speaking about the TPU.

We could think of the conductor as a pipe containing our mobile electron fluid. Many people simply pump the electron fluid just like a hydraulic system so the input can never exceed the output for obvious reasons. They just keep on pumping and they just keep on failing because they do not know any different.

However in the real world we have external Magnetic and Electric fields which can act on our electron fluid. We also have internal molecular motion which when coordinated and directed could also act on our electron fluid. It does not matter how the force on the electron fluid is produced only that it is, to produce an electron current.

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on November 08, 2019, 09:30:47 AM

mobile electron fluid.


Yes i have always thought that the TPU would run on a Fluid.
In one of the video's i thought i have seen one dripping.

Do you have any idea where we can buy this 'Mobile Electron Fluid'  ?
Is it somehow related to Ferro Fluid ?

Many Thanks.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: jojo500 on November 08, 2019, 10:17:00 AM
leaf blowers only! and it must be gaspowered (2stroke only)
the dripping is unburned oil and fuel from the 2stroke. ::)

Yes i have always thought that the TPU would run on a Fluid.
In one of the video's i thought i have seen one dripping.

Do you have any idea where we can buy this 'Mobile Electron Fluid'  ?
Is it somehow related to Ferro Fluid ?

Many Thanks.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on November 08, 2019, 10:54:48 AM
Well if that is the case then it's a pity because 2 stroke engines were forbidden here some time ago.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: jojo500 on November 08, 2019, 10:58:08 AM
ahh now we have it 8) SM got arrested because of air polution  ::)
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on November 08, 2019, 11:06:57 AM
Well besides the 2 stroke engine, they also forbid usage of 100 Watt filament light bulbs !!
And Steven was burning 10 of those !!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_light_bulbs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_light_bulbs)

Something is wrong.
Why mess with light bulbs when you have 39000 Air planes flying above your head it just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: jojo500 on November 08, 2019, 11:22:27 AM
jupp esentialy same here , there would be much bether ways to to do something about The planet. How ever it reflects some how the same humorous character of poeple reading detailed and verry well  formulated explonation of how a device coul posible work and start building a testrig right away in total opposit. And the rest of the storry ? well we all know that.... ???
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on November 08, 2019, 12:33:38 PM
Turbo Quote  Something is wrong.Why mess with light bulbs when you have 39000 Air planes flying above your head it just doesn't make sense. end quote
 possibility of accidentally discovering transmutation event ?
many years ago you posted a delightful video of a wonderful old fellow making tubes  [french I think ?
I lost it in a PUTOR crash ??

 
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on November 08, 2019, 12:46:34 PM
That depends.... Natural, or Man Made Radio Isotopes.

But Lee the Forrest found the Electron cloud around Edisons light bulb filament and he placed a grid near it and added the Plate or Anode and then the Triode was born i believe it was 1923 but im not absolutely sure, then someone named Röntgen or maybe Crookes added some air back into the tube and with a high voltage, it started to give off X-Rays.
And these can be used to strike our fuel rod, it's so simple when put in words like that.
That's about 100 years of technology development so isn't it about time we took the next big step ?
We have been holding on to the same but inefficient model for so long, i believe this is because it works so well.
I'm still waiting for Sjack Abeling to finish his Gravity Mill.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on November 08, 2019, 01:31:01 PM
 Thanks for the reminder about the x-rays and high-voltage with atmosphere and other ingredients


 Are you aware of any simple cheap detectors for this and other emissions ? [besides films


 Do you know the video I mentioned with the old man the beautiful music... making a glass tube ?
 I really do miss that video ?


This high voltage reminder is appropriate for other projects being worked on for open source at the moment !
EDIT///YES below ...Thank you very much Sir
                       

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzyXMEpq4qw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzyXMEpq4qw)

claude Paillard ?       
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: jojo500 on November 08, 2019, 01:34:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzyXMEpq4qw

claude Paillard ?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: Turbo on November 08, 2019, 02:00:04 PM
Yes good question on the detector.
Here is one for example : Philips 18504
Those go as NOS for few bucks ion second hand sites.
Very easy circuitry too.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 12, 2019, 08:50:35 AM
Light bulbs are being phased out of our economy for 2 reasons


1) excessive, and unnecessary energy consumption
  LED’s are more efficient at producing light


2) hazardous chemicals used



Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 12, 2019, 08:54:59 AM
If you guys are serious about attempting a TPU
learn first Parallel Resistance


Then learn about wavelength vs length of wire


Last, get a current data reading of the Schumman
I believe it was approaching 8 last time I checked?
And do the math down to a ‘reasonable’ length for you to handle


And always remember: Steven left us everything we need to know
Don’t worry about what the others have to say, most of it is bs and conjecture
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: mikegarla on November 14, 2019, 06:44:17 AM
"Please be very careful with lighting. Incandescent bulbs produce lighting which has frequencies in the red part of
the spectrum and those are healthy bulbs. Compact Fluorescent bulbs often called “CFL” produce ultra-violet
light as well as flicker and you should be four or five feet away from them if you don’t want adverse medical effects
from the lighting. Light-Emitting Diodes or “LED” bulbs are highly dangerous in spite of the fact that they give
excellent lighting levels for low current draw. They produce none of the beneficial red end of the visible spectrum
and instead they have a high output in the blue end of the spectrum. The result is lighting which has long-term
damaging effects on the retina of the eye, leading to macular degeneration and eventual blindness. The drug
Lutein is essential to combat the effect but LED lights should be avoided is at all possible."
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: citfta on November 14, 2019, 11:16:38 AM
"Please be very careful with lighting. Incandescent bulbs produce lighting which has frequencies in the red part of
the spectrum and those are healthy bulbs. Compact Fluorescent bulbs often called “CFL” produce ultra-violet
light as well as flicker and you should be four or five feet away from them if you don’t want adverse medical effects
from the lighting. Light-Emitting Diodes or “LED” bulbs are highly dangerous in spite of the fact that they give
excellent lighting levels for low current draw. They produce none of the beneficial red end of the visible spectrum
and instead they have a high output in the blue end of the spectrum. The result is lighting which has long-term
damaging effects on the retina of the eye, leading to macular degeneration and eventual blindness. The drug
Lutein is essential to combat the effect but LED lights should be avoided is at all possible."


Is this just some BS you have made up or do you actually have some evidence to support your wild claims?  And what does any of that have to do with the TPU?
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: e2matrix on November 14, 2019, 05:51:30 PM
mikegarla,  what cifta said.   Where did you get this info?   Are you not aware that most LED lights now have options for 'warm' lights that mimic tungsten lights lighting?   They are available in many wavelengths.   The very first LED's were even all red in color.   
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: ramset on November 14, 2019, 06:03:14 PM
I am grateful for the info [eat more Kale sprouts...and other high in

https://opto.ca/health-library/blue-light-is-there-risk-of-harm (https://opto.ca/health-library/blue-light-is-there-risk-of-harm)
perhaps there is a topic here already ,also much more to learn about light and energy harvesting [even water disassociation /synthesis]

Moderators perhaps we can remove this useful info once we find the topic here?
there is going to be light frequency work here [and elsewhere]as part of water fuel experiments
Damages the retina ??light carries much more energy than we realize ,putting it to good use ??
 // Chet K
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 14, 2019, 11:51:04 PM
This site monitors the earth’s heartbeat
http://https://www.disclosurenews.it/en/schumann-resonance-today-update/ (http://https://www.disclosurenews.it/en/schumann-resonance-today-update/)


Any receiver tuned to a multiple of this freq.
will be able to harness energy from it


A resonant (tank) circuit and appropriate transistor, can amplify it.


This is what the TPU is designed to do.
Tesla also built an equivalent circuit
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: DavidWolff on November 15, 2019, 12:16:31 AM
This site monitors the earth’s heartbeat
http://https://www.disclosurenews.it/en/schumann-resonance-today-update/ (http://https://www.disclosurenews.it/en/schumann-resonance-today-update/)


Any receiver tuned to a multiple of this freq.
will be able to harness energy from it


A resonant (tank) circuit and appropriate transistor, can amplify it.


This is what the TPU is designed to do.
Tesla also built an equivalent circuit
Mr Smoky2 I think we have all tried that out over the past 10 years or so, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work in that mode!
PS your hyperlink fails for me too  8) :o
Dave
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: endlessoceans on November 15, 2019, 12:21:57 AM

Last, get a current data reading of the Schumman
I believe it was approaching 8 last time I checked?
And do the math down to a ‘reasonable’ length for you to handle


And always remember: Steven left us everything we need to know



If SM left us everything we need to know then this site would have a hundred replications by now.   Opposite is true.  SM told the public only what was necessary to completely muddy the waters so that NOBODY would ever be able to replicate based on WHAT HE SAID.  He was a liar and versed in the art of misdirection.


1)  Schumann Resonance is NOT just one freq.  The Schumann resonances (SR) are electromagnetic oscillations of the Earth-ionosphere cavity at frequencies of 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39, and 45 Hz.

2)  I almost guarantee that his device has nothing to do with those particular resonances  .SM himself showed a number of TPUs in different sizes and ALL of them ran at vastly different frequencies.  One was at the thousands of HZ.  Go watch the videos again. 

3)  There are other forces at work that it may have been based on and he did NOT say anything about those.  That is what is more interesting.

Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 15, 2019, 05:02:16 AM
1) you are on the right track, but your math needs to be more precise,
as it has to be carried out into a manageable length of wire.


2) He told us why they were different sizes.


3) the only forces at play are positive feedback.
  (constructive interference)
the entire system has to be designed to the base signal.


It doesn’t have to be the earth’s freq.
These days there are thousands to tap into.
Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: onepower on November 19, 2019, 08:15:54 AM
Endlessoceans
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If SM left us everything we need to know then this site would have a hundred replications by now.   Opposite is true.  SM told the public only what was necessary to completely muddy the waters so that NOBODY would ever be able to replicate based on WHAT HE SAID.

I guess it would depend on your perspective and what you think he said.

In my opinion the best clue SM left was probably the one everyone ignored when SM said to consider all the things which could happen in a single length of wire. It's silly isn't it because we know everything about everything and we have nothing to learn about a silly wire. However as we know every individual part inside that wire is moving near the speed of light. That wire contains enough internal atomic/molecular energy to level a small city if only we could access the energy.

Fission and fusion are one very expensive and complicated way however I suspect some people found easier methods. Think of it this way, nuclear fission, as in an atomic bomb, creates a chain reaction liberating massive amounts of latent atomic energy within matter. However what if we only wanted a little energy... a little kick?. Could we use a different low energy process to produce only a few high energy particles and knock a few electrons around to produce a little kick versus a thermo-nuclear detonation?.

Apparently the answer is yes and some real Engineers at the "SAFIRE project" say they have produced a low energy variation of cold fusion using a HV plasma in an almost table top unit. Imagine that, now what if we could take a bunch of wires and switches and produce a HV plasma and co-ordinate the electrical forces in such a way that it produced forces similar to SAFIRE which could look like anything. It could look like a motor-generator, a Tesla coil, a transformer... so long as the internal process produced similar results.

No energy from nothing, no secret sauce or over-unity would be required... just a little knowledge, understanding and a great deal of ingenuity.

Think of a thermo-nuclear device or the Sun then reduce it down to something half the size of your refrigerator like the SAFIRE device. Now reduce that down by the same magnitude to something the size of a component, say a commutator brush or switch. Why it could be that the missing ingredient, the secret sauce could be transmutation/cold fusion occurring in the plasma created in between the switch contacts as it opens under the proper conditions. That extra little "kick" which appeared in the circuit for reasons most couldn't explain.

Science is like that, science is like a box of chocolates and you never really know what your going to get under the right conditions. The we know everything and predetermination nonsense, that's for egomaniacs not real scientists because in fact there is more that we do not know than we could ever know. I mean, everything we think we know as tangible is actually 1% matter moving near the speed of light in 99% free space filled with terrawatts of Electro-magnetic energy ie. "Feynman's free space energy" ... so what do we really know of Energy?.

Quote
Physicists Richard Feynman and John Wheeler calculated the zero-point radiation of the vacuum to be an order of magnitude greater than nuclear energy, with a single light bulb containing enough energy to boil all the world's oceans.

Regards



Title: Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
Post by: onepower on November 20, 2019, 06:51:46 AM
Quote
Physicists Richard Feynman and John Wheeler calculated the zero-point radiation of the vacuum to be an order of magnitude greater than nuclear energy, with a single light bulb containing enough energy to boil all the world's oceans.

I added this quote so people understand that "Energy" was never the problem as we are obviously swimming in a sea of energy. All of the most intelligent scientists and physicists agree energy is everywhere in everything and it is only the misguided who think differently. So this notion of "getting energy" from somewhere is wrong as the energy is already present and what we want is to convert or transform energy.

My first experiments were based on basic observations of the TPU and it seemed like an obvious first step to me. The TPU configuration has horizontal collector coils with three control coils, equally spaced at 120 Deg, wrapped around the collector at right angles to it. This is a problem because one coil A wrapped around another coil B, at a right angle, cannot induce any amount of current in B. The changing magnetic field poles from coil A are acting in the same direction as the path of conduction of B which is longitudinal to it and does not work. In order to understand why we must go back and study Faraday's Laws of Induction to understand what Faraday actually said and more so what he implied. If you want to understand a law then we should read it in the words of the person who actually wrote it not some second hand interpretation.

However sometimes our experiments at the bench do not always agree with some often misinterpreted law written in a textbook. As it were I found I could induce a current with the coils at right angles because of another set of laws, Weber's Electrodynamic Laws, which supersede Faraday's Laws and do allow for a longitudinal force to produce induction. Which is kind of a kick in the pants isn't it?, sure the laws apply and are equally valid in the context they were implied but that does not change the fact there are two sets of laws for induction. Faraday's law for parallel induction and Weber's law for serial or longitudinal induction.

So I was wondering how many experimenters here found they could induce a current in a coil with the inducing coil at right angles to the induced coil?.

Regards