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Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
« Reply #120 on: October 02, 2019, 10:22:22 AM »
I think SM nailed it when he said nobody is going to throw this together and make it work without first having some idea how it could work conceptually.

SM made some comments I thought were interesting
I would simply rephrase what SM said -- "YOU CAN DO SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE WITH A WIRE TO GET SOME ENERGY OUT OF THE EARTH".

This was interesting however I also remember SM mentioning that the control input and the collector output both showed up on the load. So the input does something to the collectors then both the input and collector output drive the load?. To many I suspect this means very little as normally they believe the input is somehow consumed but here SM implies it is not.

If A is the input and B is the collector output then the power output to the load is actually A+B. If the output is A+B then why not use B to power the load and simply recycle A back to the input to repeat the next cycle?. As such it would seem to me that the logical place to start would be to 1) figure out how to get some energy from the Earth with a wire and 2) how to use the input in such a way that it always adds to the output.

Regards

I'm going to rephrase it in a different way.

"YOU CAN DO SOMETHING NUCLEAR WITH A WIRE TO GET SOME ENERGY OUT OF IT".

He admitted that he didnt know where it came from, he also admitted that they thought it was the earth's field because it was the obvious choice, he then wrote that there is a nuclear connection, this happened after someone from the atomic energy commission actually told him how it worked.

Please read the whole thing and not just half of it because you need a complete picture.

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« Reply #120 on: October 02, 2019, 10:22:22 AM »

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« Reply #121 on: October 02, 2019, 02:25:17 PM »
Turbo,To most who have been paying attention ,it is quite apparent that energy is locked up in every single piece of our reality ,there is no such thing as "still ".. all is in motion and always has been,Here on this Rock you can not see or touch or breathe anything which is not in "perpetual motion"

Your path towards harvesting energy from this "perpetual motion" should be self evident
to most who pay attention ,that is to say ...we're surrounded by Batteries or energy stores  of unimaginable potential.
plenty will play here and not question your reasoning .

There are some very serious experimenters chasing other "claims" which have come to the same conclusion as you .////
A big task is Managing the control circuits to do this...[this is all a moving target]
and you have pointed out "time has changed things" ,the systems to manage this are available now at ridiculous prices and availability .
 and your suggested "magnetic cage" to contain/control things...[magnetic field ?very nice piece of information .
and for clarity ,Transmutation as a source/path to Cheap power ,indescribable power.
 Tremendous gratitude here.

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Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
« Reply #122 on: October 02, 2019, 03:12:30 PM »
Turbo,
over the years I have built so many tpu attempts: as I all have my toroid cemetery.
In the end the impression has always been to build inefficient transformers.
And at that point, after years of TPU saga, I stopped caring about it.
Until I saw a "Creating TPU Steven_Mark" thread and started reading everything again.

Your nuclear theory is a point of view that makes sense and could explain everything.
The clues you have given us are numerous and precise, but to start we must at least know from where.
So, the fundamental information: the kicks.
How can we measure them, see them, understand that we have released them?

I don't think with an oscilloscope: if they are high-energy particles, it is more likely with a geiger counter.

What do you think about it?

Finally, the question that no one dares to ask you: where do you stand?
Did you succeed? You're okay or this thing in the long run has somehow damaged you,
in the physical or in the mind?

Thanks  for your patience and generosity

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« Reply #123 on: October 02, 2019, 03:34:54 PM »
Steven had to be able to answer 'NO' to the question does it contain any batteries.
This meant he had to improve the design to a level where it could power itself.

That's quite the turn of events when you analyse it.
The feedback makes the thing so dangerous.

He called it a furnace which feeds itself, the hotter it gets, the more fuel it gives itself to burn.

You can think in terms of chain reactions.

You can have a sub critical mass, a critical mass, and a super critical mass.

So lets look at these.

A sub critical mass does not have the ability to sustain a chain reaction.
A critical mass is able to sustain a chain reaction.
In A super critical mass the chain reaction will proceed at an increasing rate.

There is a quote in the doc:
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the only thing that will stop a red collector is the disintegration of the matter acting as a receiver. IE. the wires all burn up.

This is not to say that is is not possible to create a device that is safe and that does not have the dangers of the runaway event but one that has to be powered in a different way as in the feedback mechanism will have to be either removed entirely, or modified to the extent where no direct feedback loop is present.

Lets say the iron wire is at a sub critical state.

And it moves to a critical state when the sub atomic sub harmonic frequency is applied.

Sub because these atomic frequencies are way too high to generate, but you can use a lower frequency.
This is like pushing a kid on a swing, but only pushing the swing 1 out of five swings.
If you make sure that your push is strong enough, and contains enough energy, you can still power the swing with an increasing result.
Also remember that the target frequency can be altered by using a bias field.

Only when there is a direct feedback loop, will there be concern for a runaway event.
So that state is super critical, because there is no limiting factor.

Unfortunately the design with the 3*3 coils is the one that is so dangerous because of the direct feedback loop.
So this is why i advised to start with the basic effect,
It can be as simple as
Two coils and a magnet, and one frequency.

I would also want to refer to the carl doc.

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1. When one builds a bifilar coil, using one winding for power, and one for trigger, and drive this with a transistor, there is a certain point, when you bring a magnet close to one end of the coil, you will get a loud squealing noise from the coil.
This feedback is the result of the trigger and power coil constantly switching the power transistor used to drive that coil off and on again.
It is also a point where that coil/transistor combination produce a high voltage output which one can gather from the collector of the transistor.
If left unchecked, this resonant frequency of on/off switching will burn up the transistor, and thus a resistor must be put into the trigger winding circuit to lessen the voltage produced in the winding.

So now this boils it down to two coils and a magnet and a transistor,
That is 4 parts and a power supply or battery.
It's not exactly bifilar in the same plane, but think tunnel, CRT beam, aerodynamic wing design.

The meaning in this experiment is to understand that:
* There could be a point where the frequency interacts with the electrons at the atomic level,
* Feeding them energy in their own phase,
* So that they gain kinetic energy.
* And break free from their bonds.

And that:
* The magnet is used to force them into a specific path, combining their kinetic energies.
* The magnet is also used to control the frequency.

Do you think this experiment is difficult ?

Two coils and a transistor ?

I was just waiting for one of these joule thieve enthusiasts would hit on something but it just never happened.

I'd recon the idea of the microphone that is too close to the speaker.
Everybody knows the sound of the high pitch whine that will arise.
The air between the mic and the speaker starts vibrating and the input can 'hear' the output.
And this is a type of feedback loop that is comparable in a sense that the 'frequency starts to feed itself'.
Itself, and not themselves, because there is only one in this SIMPLE experiment.
That is, until you hit the center frequency, and then you have two frequencies to work with.

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Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
« Reply #124 on: October 02, 2019, 04:33:12 PM »
Hi Turbo.

Indeed not.

I originally joined OU.Com, under another name in 2008. Back then, heavily into the work of John Bedini.

Using his famous SSG circuit I got the effect you mention by offering a second coil and Ceramic magnet towards the bifilar sense and drive coil. The arrangement literally " squealed " audibly.

I also remember a video at the time where the guy, doing the same as I did, was literally shouting
" this is OU " over and over again.

If NMR is the " source " of excess energy then a Geiger Muller counter is a must whilst experimenting. Don't forget that they are susceptible to HF/HV interference.

Cheers Graham.

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Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
« Reply #125 on: October 02, 2019, 04:59:35 PM »
Turbo
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I'm going to rephrase it in a different way.
"YOU CAN DO SOMETHING NUCLEAR WITH A WIRE TO GET SOME ENERGY OUT OF IT".
He admitted that he didnt know where it came from, he also admitted that they thought it was the earth's field because it was the obvious choice, he then wrote that there is a nuclear connection, this happened after someone from the atomic energy commission actually told him how it worked.

So your saying SM didn't know where the energy came from but believed a person who said the energy was nuclear in origin?. That's actually kind of funny because from my research I would guess well over 95% of the people who claimed to have a working FE device had literally no idea where the energy comes from either. This is why I like to keep my options and my mind open concerning these kinds of things because we don't know.

However conceptually, nuclear is just a fancy term to describe some small stuff breaking apart and releasing some energy in a universe full of stuff already in perpetual motion which is also energy. As such I don't think it's a big deal and as Richard Feynman said... there is enough energy in a cubic foot of empty space to boil all the worlds oceans. Strange isn't it?, there may be more energy in the empty space next to a nuclear process than that occurring within it.

In my opinion if we we are to keep a truly open mind we would also have to consider the alternate perspective to our blind materialism whereby space is the high energy state and matter the low energy state and not vice versa. Science would seem to be moving in this direction as well with the notion of dark matter/energy. Dark meaning we cannot see it not unlike the notion of an Electric Universe or the Aether. It would seem what was very old has become new again... once again repeating itself.

It Ain’t What You Don’t Know That Gets You Into Trouble. It’s What You Know for Sure That Just Ain’t So... Mark Twain

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« Reply #126 on: October 03, 2019, 10:45:59 PM »
Hi Turbo.

Indeed not.

I originally joined OU.Com, under another name in 2008. Back then, heavily into the work of John Bedini.

Using his famous SSG circuit I got the effect you mention by offering a second coil and Ceramic magnet towards the bifilar sense and drive coil. The arrangement literally " squealed " audibly.

I also remember a video at the time where the guy, doing the same as I did, was literally shouting
" this is OU " over and over again.

If NMR is the " source " of excess energy then a Geiger Muller counter is a must whilst experimenting. Don't forget that they are susceptible to HF/HV interference.

Cheers Graham.

You can make a geiger counter yourself it only involves a few components you need a high voltage source and a detector tube these are still widely available on used products sites as NOS new old stock and also some Chinese websites.

By the way it does not have to be a tube you can also build something like a spark chamber see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOtFIffQILw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8GlzUjYazs

Now it would be interesting to see if these kicks would also trigger the bifilar coil and transistor combo like the magnet does........

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« Reply #127 on: October 03, 2019, 10:52:57 PM »
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So your saying SM didn't know where the energy came from but believed a person who said the energy was nuclear in origin?. That's actually kind of funny because from my research I would guess well over 95% of the people who claimed to have a working FE device had literally no idea where the energy comes from either. This is why I like to keep my options and my mind open concerning these kinds of things because we don't know.

However conceptually, nuclear is just a fancy term to describe some small stuff breaking apart and releasing some energy in a universe full of stuff already in perpetual motion which is also energy. As such I don't think it's a big deal and as Richard Feynman said... there is enough energy in a cubic foot of empty space to boil all the worlds oceans. Strange isn't it?, there may be more energy in the empty space next to a nuclear process than that occurring within it.

In my opinion if we we are to keep a truly open mind we would also have to consider the alternate perspective to our blind materialism whereby space is the high energy state and matter the low energy state and not vice versa. Science would seem to be moving in this direction as well with the notion of dark matter/energy. Dark meaning we cannot see it not unlike the notion of an Electric Universe or the Aether. It would seem what was very old has become new again... once again repeating itself.

It Ain’t What You Don’t Know That Gets You Into Trouble. It’s What You Know for Sure That Just Ain’t So... Mark Twain

Yes exactly he said it numerous times.

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other place.
I mean we believed very strongly that the power we converted came from the earth's magnetic field.
We believed that mainly because it is the obvious choice.
However please consider that we had no way of confirming exactly where the power comes from.
I am not sure how anyone would confirm that at this point.
And it isn't really important at this juncture.
All we can do is build bigger and better power units and continue our experiments till we do know for sure exactly what we are dealing with.
This is exactly what I said to Dr. Schinzinger the first day I met him.
I blatantly admitted that we knew how to make the music but had no idea how the violin worked.

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Let us ponder where the huge magnetic field comes from when you explode an atomic bomb.
It is just created?
Is it converted?
Is it part of the earth somehow?
Is it just a by product of the fabric of time and space being ripped into pieces in a fragment of a second?
I am curious as to where this unbelievably huge magnetic force comes from during an atomic explosion...
It is something else to think about.
perhaps in connection with my power technology.

Here is an example of (electro) magnetic deflection electrons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSode4HZrE

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Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
« Reply #128 on: October 04, 2019, 12:33:25 AM »
Turbo
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other place.
I mean we believed very strongly that the power we converted came from the earth's magnetic field.
We believed that mainly because it is the obvious choice.
However please consider that we had no way of confirming exactly where the power comes from.
I am not sure how anyone would confirm that at this point.
And it isn't really important at this juncture.
All we can do is build bigger and better power units and continue our experiments till we do know for sure exactly what we are dealing with.
This is exactly what I said to Dr. Schinzinger the first day I met him.
I blatantly admitted that we knew how to make the music but had no idea how the violin worked.

All they would have to do is place the device in a steel box ie. Faraday cage to exclude Earths magnetic field/EM signals and they would know. I mean this is high school science 101.

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Let us ponder where the huge magnetic field comes from when you explode an atomic bomb.
It is just created?
Is it converted?
Is it part of the earth somehow?
Is it just a by product of the fabric of time and space being ripped into pieces in a fragment of a second?
I am curious as to where this unbelievably huge magnetic force comes from during an atomic explosion...
It is something else to think about.
perhaps in connection with my power technology.

This is strange as well, moving charges produce a magnetic field and a big explosion accelerating/compressing an absurd amount of charges in a small time frame produces a big magnetic field change. Granted an EMP weapon uses explosives to move the conductor carrying charge and it's associated magnetic field however the principal still holds. It does not matter how or why the charges are moved to produce a magnetic field change only that they do move. Again SM seems to be having a problem with what is routinely taught in high school science class. Hell my son made an EM disrupter and smoked a cell phone in grade 8 which isn't even classified as high school, lol.

In the end, at worst SM fits the standard profile of just another inventor who stumbled onto something they didn't understand and tried to turn it into a business for profit. It works until the environment goes to shit, the economy collapses, billions die a premature death and money becomes worthless... then it doesn't so much.

Regards

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« Reply #129 on: October 04, 2019, 08:29:57 AM »
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Here is an example of (electro) magnetic deflection electrons: [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSode4HZrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSode4HZrE[/url]

Great video for visualizing the effects. Thank you!

I wonder if spark detectors can also sense the beta radiation along with alpha as i think that this is the case here.

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« Reply #130 on: October 04, 2019, 10:16:29 AM »
Turbo
All they would have to do is place the device in a steel box ie. Faraday cage to exclude Earths magnetic field/EM signals and they would know. I mean this is high school science 101.

This is strange as well, moving charges produce a magnetic field and a big explosion accelerating/compressing an absurd amount of charges in a small time frame produces a big magnetic field change. Granted an EMP weapon uses explosives to move the conductor carrying charge and it's associated magnetic field however the principal still holds. It does not matter how or why the charges are moved to produce a magnetic field change only that they do move. Again SM seems to be having a problem with what is routinely taught in high school science class. Hell my son made an EM disrupter and smoked a cell phone in grade 8 which isn't even classified as high school, lol.

In the end, at worst SM fits the standard profile of just another inventor who stumbled onto something they didn't understand and tried to turn it into a business for profit. It works until the environment goes to shit, the economy collapses, billions die a premature death and money becomes worthless... then it doesn't so much.

Regards

You can't just judge someone or something on like he should have know this or they should have known that, because my 8 years old son or the textbooks.
That's not what we are doing here we are trying to verify and confirm things, not debunk them with whatever we can find to throw into the ring.
Keeping an open mind is essential in this process.
My advice to you would be to take your son's textbook and give him some wire to play with in stead.

By the way they did test it in a metal box and confirmed that it still operated as before.
The fact that you seem to think that a Faraday cage blocks the Earths magnetic field is disturbing.
Did you miss some day's at science 101 ?

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« Reply #131 on: October 04, 2019, 10:21:24 AM »
Great video for visualizing the effects. Thank you!

I wonder if spark detectors can also sense the beta radiation along with alpha as i think that this is the case here.

I guess anything that helps ionizing the air up to the point of breakdown will do that.
And if it's really a close gap or high tension possibly even UV light.

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« Reply #132 on: October 04, 2019, 03:53:02 PM »

I’m trying to get the gist of the method straight, and maybe learn something here.

As I understand what has been written there is a coil in the shape of a ring (coil #1) that has another coil wrapped around it (coil #2). Coil 2 has a dc current in it to create a magnetic field. This field in coil 2 is basically shaped like a round tube. Centered inside this magnetic tube is coil #1. When coil 1 is properly pulsed it emits electrons, which are confined inside the magnetic field (tube) of coil #2 and aligned with the direction of the field inside #2. Then coil 2 is pulsed with a stronger current to drive the electrons back onto coil #1 and an increased current can then be taken from coil #1.

Is this correct so far?

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« Reply #133 on: October 04, 2019, 05:30:58 PM »
Have you come across this video yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26QqUKoQpO4

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« Reply #134 on: October 04, 2019, 06:37:53 PM »
I’m trying to get the gist of the method straight, and maybe learn something here.

As I understand what has been written there is a coil in the shape of a ring (coil #1) that has another coil wrapped around it (coil #2). Coil 2 has a dc current in it to create a magnetic field. This field in coil 2 is basically shaped like a round tube. Centered inside this magnetic tube is coil #1. When coil 1 is properly pulsed it emits electrons, which are confined inside the magnetic field (tube) of coil #2 and aligned with the direction of the field inside #2. Then coil 2 is pulsed with a stronger current to drive the electrons back onto coil #1 and an increased current can then be taken from coil #1.

Is this correct so far?

Very close.

Coil 2 is more oval or even a high rectangle shaped, because Coil 1 is not interleaved so the turns are wrapped in a specific way.




 

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