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Offline ramset

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« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2019, 06:49:17 PM »
 OK I did just speak with Stefan and have an appointment in about four hours or so to talk a bit more .
Hopefully things will get organized over here and not so much noise


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 thank you for your contributions and tolerance
 ( corrected... voice texting is a nuisance.. still traveling in New York City area for the next day )


 I believe moderation will be put in place to keep this topic focused .






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« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2019, 10:31:07 AM »
Steven used bailing wire which is magnetic. I suppose it is iron wire.
If DC passes trough bailing wire and magnetize it, would that coil become electromagnet?

In Tesla time core of transformers were iron.
Producing voltage spikes when switched on.
They were not laminated.

Is there connection between iron core and bailing wire in TPU?

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Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2019, 10:55:41 AM »
Steven used bailing wire which is magnetic. I suppose it is iron wire.
If DC passes trough bailing wire and magnetize it, would that coil become electromagnet?

In Tesla time core of transformers were iron.
Producing voltage spikes when switched on.
They were not laminated.

Is there connection between iron core and bailing wire in TPU?

Iron or copper coils both becomes an electromagnet.
But the iron stays magnetized after you remove the power supply and copper does not.

Some posts were removed.
This time we are going to be specific.
We do not want a topic where the info from old model builds are mixed in with the new model builds.
This is done to keep confusion as low as possible and to prevent research journals from jumping all over the place.
If people want to continue their research based on the older speculative model builds they can directly use the appropriate topics.

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Offline WhatIsIt

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Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2019, 12:38:24 PM »
Iron or copper coils both becomes an electromagnet.
But the iron stays magnetized after you remove the power supply and copper does not.

Some posts were removed.
This time we are going to be specific.
We do not want a topic where the info from old model builds are mixed in with the new model builds.
This is done to keep confusion as low as possible and to prevent research journals from jumping all over the place.
If people want to continue their research based on the older speculative model builds they can directly use the appropriate topics.

Why then copper is not used as core of transformers in Tesla days?

They used iron core. When transformer was switched on, there was cases that workers been killed, burned.
My point is, maybe is core source of kick.
Today we suppress that with lamination.

If we extend iron core as a wire, maybe effect can be amplified and used.

That was my thought. I didnt mean to deflect you from topic.
If it is that so, I will remove my post.

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Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2019, 01:28:29 PM »

We do not want a topic where the info from old model builds are mixed in with the new model builds.

Cool.  ;)

SM:
"...The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the
multiple kicks become a combined big kick
"

But what a kick really is?
Kick, is a current of high pottential and of a brief duration. In other words, kick is a current, with an increased rate of change during a short interval of time.
Now what combination of multiple kicks means for SM?

My very first thought was that more than one kicks coinside together during the same small interval of time. "Occasionally" as SM described. But this is the inside of the box thinking. How the out of the box thinking would be for this case?

ps. Please don't think out of the box all together the same time. There is always the danger of being locked out of it. ;D Jeg

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Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2019, 09:04:00 PM »
Just to remind of pictures SM/Mannix gave to only a few members. But they are only just to gave an idea .
https://postimg.cc/23xN40Lv
https://postimg.cc/Wt7th62Y
https://postimg.cc/8sdtK5Gf
https://postimg.cc/rzC21MYQ
https://postimg.cc/nMYMX8Kt
https://postimg.cc/5YGwnv85
https://postimg.cc/7bnyNy3p
Think of it in the way Otto did build it but two rings of same size. If Otto did know this picture, I don't know. Only Mannix could answer it to whom he gave it .



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« Reply #51 on: September 22, 2019, 10:42:46 PM »
Just to remind of pictures SM/Mannix gave to only a few members. But they are only just to gave an idea .
https://postimg.cc/23xN40Lv
https://postimg.cc/Wt7th62Y
https://postimg.cc/8sdtK5Gf
https://postimg.cc/rzC21MYQ
https://postimg.cc/nMYMX8Kt
https://postimg.cc/5YGwnv85
https://postimg.cc/7bnyNy3p
Think of it in the way Otto did build it but two rings of same size. If Otto did know this picture, I don't know. Only Mannix could answer it to whom he gave it .

Thank you for pictures!

Do you have any information does the pictures originate from SM or that coils were made by Mannix instructed by SM letters?

Anyway, thanks!

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Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
« Reply #52 on: September 23, 2019, 04:56:26 AM »
gentlemen,
supposing that one day at some point this device can be replicated ... how could the overheating problem be solved? Would it still be viable?

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Re: Creating TPU Steven_Mark
« Reply #53 on: September 23, 2019, 11:45:35 AM »
gentlemen,
supposing that one day at some point this device can be replicated ... how could the overheating problem be solved? Would it still be viable?


Could you possibly use some peltier modules to convert the heat into more electricity.  Or maybe liquid cooling with very small tubing included in the build.  In industry in the old days large heat producing transformers were submerged in non-conductive oil to keep them cool and help prevent the break down of the insulation.


PS: Thanks for cleaning up the thread.  It makes it much easier for those of us that aren't familiar with the TPU to follow the discussion and learn from it.

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« Reply #54 on: September 23, 2019, 12:22:54 PM »
Hi Angel,

It is 2019. SM is oldtimer. Today tech maybe can solve lots of things.
But problem is nobody knows what was causing overheating.
In worse case you can use 2 devices sequentally, so one is always cooling down.

SM worked with speakers. Speaker use magnet and coil to move membrane.
My quess is he was using electromagnet in his device. Electromagnet can cause heating if it has solid iron core or wire.
But heating can be caused by numerous things. It is quess.
So, my first experiments will go in direction how inductors and transformers behaive in field of electromagnet or how can be combined with electromagnet.
I dont expect much, but that will be first step.

Interesting story of SM is transformers in Tesla times.
They were massive transformers with massive solid iron core.
At the first switch on, lightning can happen from core, killing the workers.
Later that was solved with lamination of cores, and didnt happens any more.
If the solid iron core can produce lightning, small solid iron core will at least show some kick on scope. I can not make massive iron core transformer like it that time, I can make small one.

That will be second thing to investigate and experiment with.
I dont have idea what else I could try in case of TPU.
Everything else was tried by the more advanced researchers here.

And, as you can see. There is no more people interested in TPU anymore.
All of this are just theory. What really caused TPU to tick I dont know.

I read his letters to Mannix and think about what SM said. Maybe he wasnt honest? Who knows?
The only start you have, and I, is that he worked with speakers.
So, how to make solid state speaker which produce more power than consume?

As I said, this is only my quess where to start and what to look into, and what can be cause of extra power.

So, everything is just best quess.
I dont wanna to copy and make some devices which others did, not before I find what caused more energy in device.

There is a good chance I want find anything.
Thats why we are here to talk what or which can be cause.

Turbo attached good pdf of SM at post 1.
I have another, so if you have time, read them again and try to find clues.
I will be interested to hear what you think after reading SM statements.

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« Reply #55 on: September 23, 2019, 12:23:40 PM »
Thank you for pictures!

Do you have any information does the pictures originate from SM or that coils were made by Mannix instructed by SM letters?

Anyway, thanks!
As far as I know they are orgin from SM given to Mannix to spreed them to some members only. They had to keept them away from public to prevent SM from going in trouble with authorities.
It was somehow tested but unsuccessful. They have tried but in vain, because everyone has their own imagination and interpretation of what is to be seen.
Everyone builds something different then.What SM said?
Quote from: SM
You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose.
Picture a hose with water in it.
If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will
move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving.
You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water
along as well.
And you could do both to control the movement of the water more
precisely.
You can think of the movement of water as the movement of
electrons through the collector coils.
or this
Quote from: SM
Imagine that you have a cannon which fires a projectile at a velocity of
1000 miles an hour.
The amount of energy held in the moving projectile until converted is lets
say a figure of ten.
It will never become more then our figure of ten.
The energy will slowly dissipate until the projectile slows and begins to fall
to the ground and it's finale dissipation will occur when it strikes the earth
or the object it was aimed at.
Now, we have been told that there will never be more energy available
from the projectile other then what was given to it when first fired into the
sky, EXCEPT for the following example:
Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was
carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well.
Do you see how the different things all relate here?
Let me expand your mind for a moment....
Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon?
Now you have another cannon traveling at 1000 miles an hour...
Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it
would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired.
However, since the cannon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles
an hour when you
fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000
miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second
projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile!
You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second
projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another
cannon and you fired it.
Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the
projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and
so on....
The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the
energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for
conversion.
And now look to the way he shows the winding. In my view It might be related to it.


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« Reply #56 on: September 23, 2019, 01:18:26 PM »
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So the amplitude of the two merged waves is 2a. However the energy of the two merged waves is (2a)^2 = 4a^2. Before the waves merged there were two waves each having a^2 energy = 2a^2. But after they merged you have 4a^2 energy. So you have doubled the energy by merging the two waves.
It’s like in the case of kinetic energy  mV2/2 ,which quadratically depends on the speed ?
In my drawings with spiral paths?

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« Reply #57 on: September 23, 2019, 01:45:42 PM »
As far as I know they are orgin from SM given to Mannix to spreed them to some members only. They had to keept them away from public to prevent SM from going in trouble with authorities.
It was somehow tested but unsuccessful. They have tried but in vain, because everyone has their own imagination and interpretation of what is to be seen.
Everyone builds something different then.What SM said?or thisAnd now look to the way he shows the winding. In my view It might be related to it.

Yes, on first look it appears that way.
3 coils wrap around collector coil.
Red, orange and black. And there is one iron wire as well. Could be act as core if frequency is high.
Their combined field will squeze collector coil.

"If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will
move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving."
Does he means that is pulsed DC in all 3 coils wound arround collector will push electrons in one way? Classic induction.

"You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water
along as well."
Does he means the point on collector where all 3 coils, fields combined squeeze the collector?
Another way to move electrons by squeezing. It is not classic induction???

Now, the second thought after your post and looking at picture is connecting  collector back to 3 coils in mobius loop, so output will pass again trough 3 coils around collector feeding collector even more.
So, you need to pulse only one coil to start the avalanche.

I watched YT of TinManPower experiment with that kind of wraping where those 3 coils does not affect source, collector coil.
Whatch it! The core TinManPower used is toroid. It has removed part of toroid, it is seen in another video of his.
It wont work if toroid is whole.
It showed that output does not affect input with wraping like this.
The iron wire on picture can serve as small core if frequency is high.

https://youtu.be/2BfDo5A3Gx8

https://youtu.be/41ZkWUC-zbQ

But its only wild quess looking at this picture and thought!
Have to try to wrap something like this and try and scope to see what happens?
SM said that he does use different kind of induction. Could be this.

Lots of if? But talking is good. Can give some idea.

Thanks!

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« Reply #58 on: September 23, 2019, 05:23:03 PM »
These pictures are wrong.
They show interleaved coils.

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« Reply #59 on: September 23, 2019, 05:33:43 PM »
Cool.  ;)

SM:
"...The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the
multiple kicks become a combined big kick
"

But what a kick really is?
Kick, is a current of high pottential and of a brief duration. In other words, kick is a current, with an increased rate of change during a short interval of time.
Now what combination of multiple kicks means for SM?

My very first thought was that more than one kicks coinside together during the same small interval of time. "Occasionally" as SM described. But this is the inside of the box thinking. How the out of the box thinking would be for this case?

ps. Please don't think out of the box all together the same time. There is always the danger of being locked out of it. ;D Jeg

Its safe to say that these kicks are a result of the process and that these kicks deliver more energy then it took to generate them.
Possibly it is nuclear.

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Dr. Schinzinger pointed out that during an atomic explosion aside from the gigantic blast wave and heat produced there is also an extremely large magnetic force which is so
strong that it travels way out into space during the explosion.
The magnetic wave is so strong that it will completely destroy any unprotected electronic circuits of solid state design.
That is why solid state radios will be useless after an nuclear attack on your country.
Let us ponder where the huge magnetic field comes from when you explode an atomic bomb.
It is just created?
Is it converted?
Is it part of the earth somehow?
Is it just a by product of the fabric of time and space being ripped into pieces in a fragment of a second?

I am curious as to where this unbelievably huge magnetic force comes from during an atomic explosion...
It is something else to think about perhaps in connection with my power technology.

Dr. Schinzinger said that it is explained as being the result of the splitting of the atom.
However, that is a very short explanation and not really a satisfactory explanation of what generates the force.
He agreed with me and said it would also mean that in reality we know very little about magnetic fields and magnetic property.


Even Steven admitted that he didnt have a clue about where the energy came from.

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I mean we believed very strongly that the power we converted came from the earth's magnetic field.
We believed that mainly because it is the obvious choice.
However please consider that we had no way of confirming exactly where the power comes from.
I am not sure how anyone would confirm that at this point.
And it isn't really important at this juncture.
All we can do is build bigger and better power units and continue our experiments till we do know for sure exactly what we are dealing with.
This is exactly what I said to Dr. Schinzinger the first day I met him.

I blatantly admitted that we knew how to make the music but had no idea
how the violin worked.


It's not really important (currently) to know where it's coming from but knowing how to generate it is.
And also how to control and loop it.

 

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