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lancaIV

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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2021, 11:25:00 PM »
Danke, Neo-Messerschmitt-team fuer die  " The 1.4 kWh battery should allow a maximum range of at least 80 kilometers ! " performance .


1400 Wh / 0,7 brake energy recuperation = 2000 Wh for 80 Km and /0,8 = 2500 Wh consume per 100 Km


                                        Garfield Wood supercar and Arzen e-Egg equivalence !


                       End 80´"green movement" Twingo to 3 Lt./100 Km consume tuning !


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twingo_Smile%23:~:text%3DDer%2520Twingo%2520SmILE%2520ist%2520ein,Intelligent.

Greenpeace concluded from the study that with the concept used,
 it was relatively easy to achieve a reduction in fuel consumption of 50% for all series-produced vehicles at the time.


Before :                           https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_VESTA_2



At first :                   2500 Wh with conventional EMF cw or ccw becomes in a capacitive circuit/cycle

                                                         by BEMF-ccw and EMF-cw cycle (or reziproke)

                                  " 250 Wh " x 400 Gr.CO2/KWh german Electricity-sources-mix

                                                        = 100 Gr. CO2 per 100 Km emission



                                                                1 Gr. CO2 per kilometre

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.euractiv.de/section/energie-und-umwelt/interview/experte-co2-preis-in-der-eu-duerfte-sich-bis-2030-auf-90-euro-erhoehen/

                                       90 Euros per ton CO2 emission = per 1 000 Kg CO2 emission or per 1 000 000 Gr. CO2 emission

90 Euros = 9000 Euro-Cents / 1 000 000 Gr. = 0,009 Cent per Km CO2 tributation/certificate costs or :

                                                                   1 cent per 111 Km range

                                                                                    ;D  furchtbar ! furious !




https://www.vda.de/de/themen/umwelt-und-klima/co2-regulierung-bei-pkw-und-leichten-nfz/co2-regulierung-bei-pkw-und-leichten-nutzfahrzeugen.html


Regulation by 2020
From 2021, new cars in the EU will only be allowed to emit an average of 95 grams of CO2, vans 147 grams.
The permitted CO2 emissions for both passenger cars and light commercial vehicles are regulated by the EU.


This means: The average emissions of a manufacturer's newly registered vehicles must not exceed a legally fixed limit value in grams of CO2 per kilometer driven.


After initially setting a target of 130 grams of CO2 for cars in 2015, the target value for 2021 was tightened to 95 grams.
Similarly, the average emissions of light commercial vehicles (vans up to 3.5 tons) must not exceed 175 grams in 2014 and 147 grams from 2020.






https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_VESTA_2 ICE 20 kW (27 ch = hp) peak (same Loremo engine numbers !) to rated/nominal electric motor KW


                                                                                to RENAULT VESTA 3 ECO-ELECTRIC ,


                                                     consume target : < 1 KWh electricity per 100 Km less brake energy recuperation


                                 It is all existent, experimented and analyzed,anymore the need for re-/search :
                   
                                 existent modells/prototypes replication by improved 2021 technical standart

Beside capacitive winding motor , the known Haeusler Zsolt and Michel Porquer papers !

What I term as MAD/e MAX car is as Vision also known as "Hypercar",by Amory Lovins,Rocky Mountains Institute








From concepts like https://www.makethefuture.shell/en-gb/shell-eco-marathon      to          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmfcNBkx_1I Ford Probe V


to https://autotrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/lovins-hypercar-concept.jpg    to        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLASs0ueF7I


                                                                                                                                       https://web.archive.org/web/20160711005606/http://www.rqriley.com/xr3.htm

                                                                                                                                       https://www.designboom.com/cars/xr3-plug-in-hybrid/


                                 and        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhCLloR6fPA


      peak  I(nternal) C(ombustion) E(ngine with/-out Turbo-compressor) KW to correct = rated/nominal continous electric motor KW conversion

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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2021, 11:42:36 AM »
Now to ULTIMA RATIO :


e-Egg for 2000 Euros,circa 100 Kg vehicle total weight realization possibility by comparison


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/2020-new-model-e-trike-manila-for-sale-62221349480.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acb2Sy61450 US$/95 Kg


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/battery-operated-electric-cargo-tricycle-with-heavy-loading-500kg-van-tricycle-for-delivery-e-trikes-62149442633.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt750 US$/370 Kg


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/exuberant-e-trike-for-indian-people-with-great-performance-1600146132970.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt1750 US$/350 Kg


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/mobility-closed-m1-trike-m-1-e-car-electricscooters-new-electric-tricycle-1600118965036.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt1450 US$/155 Kg


5-10 US$/Kg etrike means by 100 Kg weight E-Egg by chinese production condition a selling price between 500-1000 US$ each


                  this are all not "cars,by industrial standarts and normation " ! LIGHT MOTORCYCLE (AMI,Rocks et cetera class !)


                             I would assume similar "safety concerns" like here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REVAi  or C5 Sinclair




We take for reference,car class, the RENAULT KWID and DACIA Duster ( physical both electric = DACIA SPRING ) :


                             average KWID curb weight ( 678 Kg + 775 Kg) /2 = 727 Kg car weight


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Kwid#:~:text=Der%20Renault%20Kwid%20ist%20ein,bis%20353.000%20Rupien)%20verkauft%20wird.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Kwid


                              starting price 3500 Euros in India,IC engine version : 3500 Euros / 727 Kg weight = 4,8 Euros / Kg car base price


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/autokatalog/marken-modelle/dacia/dacia-duster/


                             starting price 11990 Euros,IC engine version : 11 990 Euros /1090 Kg = 11 Euros / Kg car base price




                            KWID + DUSTER AVERAGE = ( 4,8 Euros + 11 Euros ) / 2 = 7,9 Euros /Kg


https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_VESTA_2   :     473 kg x 7,9 Euros =



                                                                        +- 3750 Euros car basic price ,

                                                                                    before incentives

                                                        VESTA 2 to VESTA 3 electric,conversion costs ?!


Rural user/ consumer priorities : 0-50 Km/h : sec ?         0-75 Km/h : sec ?         0-100 Km/h : sec ? 

                                   Sub-/Urban user/consumer ,by given legal street speed max. velocity !?


VESTA 2 :  Michel Porquer 4x 500 W electric transmission/ Haeusler Zsolt 1500 Watt/220 Volt power level !

                  2000 Wh/100 Km ,modified 1000 Wh/100 Km ( step 1 = MOD light ;)  , step II 500 Wh per 100 Km )

                                      long range potential or unlimited range potential wished ?

                                                 by brake energy recuperation ( et cet. 8)  )




            Let us be "splendid spending " and calculate high with 7500 Euros a new  "DUSTER SPRING" class car :


                                                                      less incentive


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.carwow.de/ratgeber/elektroauto/foerderungen-fuer-e-autos-2020-welche-zuschuesse-gibt-es%23gref


                          Innovation bonus (environmental bonus) for electric and hybrid cars : Renault,up to 9000 Euros,per car
                                       
                                      a new electric "compact class car " for 2500 Euros , net ?




                                                         city-share community argument,is it not ?




Citroen Ami or Opel Rocks are not cars, "electric scooter class" = does not get electric car or Hybrids incentives !


                    By their lease-/rent plan it will be possible to rent a " 4-wheel e-scooter " for 20 Euros per month !


                                 By VESTA 3 electric calculation plan,with incentives ,below 20 Euros per month !




                           Safety ,relatively, warranted ,4-5 seater :    " NewAge FAMILY "- car and costs issue !?




                                                Capacity time-shared :     /2       /4      /6 
 

                                                first = main owned car,second car,third car !?


                                                 10 - 5 - 2,5 Euros per month (user,family) budget part




                                                as cheap as public transport,partial now offered -por gratia -








                         We are individuals, also in family households,and like and wish our private (legal) freedom !


                         There is not and will be never an universal solution : local and time and object and priorities dependent !










                         I am liberal working,included social capitalism and communism (not partidary),but economical communism rules :


                                   Walras/Paretto/v.Weizsaecker social-economics with the temporary final target : Enthrophy = Egalité




                                                        controlled costs by controlled financement




                                                        cash = moeda,Muenze,Coin 1/1


                                                        or credit = Nota,Wechsel,bond,obligation ( 1/8 - 1/10 macro-economic internal lever observation !)




https://www.robinwood.de/   and  https://www.greenpeace.de/  and  https://fridaysforfuture.de/  and  https://rmi.org/


                                                                             can  co-work


                                                                                 to realize

                                                   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Rt0dSHIXA

                                                  the 2500 Euros,net, 120 Km/h peak, 1 Gr. CO2 per Km


                                                  or  "Rent-Abonnements"  like https://www.share-now.com/




                   But to realize the 1000 Euros(before incentives) Arzen E-Egg electric trike also ,not to forget !


                   As 3rd : e-Loremo ?! In E.U. new for before incentives 5 000 Euros, 1 250 Euros net,after incentives ?





                                                                  TATA FOUNDATION ?


                                              https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacKenzie_Scott participation ?

                                                 ? Ali Baba ? Foundation participation ?
                                                             
               https://www.alizila.com/jack-ma-foundation-and-alibaba-foundation-donate-to-world-health-organization/


                                                                but not "-express",no(t) hurry !  ::)




btw : TATA MOTORs   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Motors                     production capacity


        and GAC unused capacity


 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://observador.pt/2021/09/10/china-stellantis-fecha-fabrica-que-detinha-a-meias-com-a-gac/




Ford Ka+  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/2017_Ford_KA%2B_Zetec_1.2_%281%29.jpg/250px-2017_Ford_KA%2B_Zetec_1.2_%281%29.jpg         


    and Lovins Hypercar style comparison :


https://autotrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/lovins-hypercar-concept.jpg




less known design concepts,f.e. https://www.carstyling.ru/resources/concept/1994_Citroen_Xanae_Concept_mockups.jpg


https://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/2014-Volkswagen-XL1-Hybrid1.jpg


 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X58oEF1dBqg






As Conceptionalist I take the Fend/Messerschmitt "bubble"-car term ,the 29 sqm inflatable bubble 1300 W per hour compressor consume,
divide by Volume 1/10 and couple a Rust-rotoverter with modified "net Zero-electric consume"


and the car body platform : e-skateboard like

the stretchable-and foldable car prototypes/models/concepts (Daimler-Benz et cet.)


as vector for an "inflatable bubble electric street scooter " !


Citroen Ami and Opel Rocks with "soft top" ! Or Gar(field) Wood supercar chassis with "(bubble)cabin" !


                                                                  Sedan/Limousine - Targa - Cabrio


1 parking lot = 1 car space                "Smartcar"-law : 1 parking lot = 2 X Smartcar space    1 parking lot =   3/4/.. ic-/e-bike space




1 parking lot = 2x "inflated bubble electric scooter" space


 or


1 parking lot = 3/4/.... X  vertical standing "deflated bubble electric scooter " space


less time lost for parking !


Average City-speed/velocity by less  " snail's pace parking lot searcher" increase or traffic flow disturber as "second row parker "  !




WE ARE LIVING IN THE FUTURE :  the "bubble platform" positionizes itself from horizontal to vertical position = autonomous
                                                                           
                                                                                  drives                                                                         autonomous




                     "1001 Nights" and "THE FLYING CARPET " ,pardon  ::)  , autonomous driving board


                                                                                  also,on water,autonomous flairing board


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Morris_Forschungspreis 1984  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnther_W._J%C3%B6rg


                                                                                                innovation based by US inventor "Lepichinsky or similar his name"
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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2021, 03:35:53 PM »
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1


the gasoline IC engine to electric car conversion (gasoil ic engine cars are more difficult to convert ,more costly )


e-drive :  1500 Watt continuous rated/numeric 220 Volt ,50 Hz ,4000 RPM nominal


alibaba offer,condition,price :


https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/4000rpm-electrical-motor-220v.html


f.e.


https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/TOPS-YC-series-220V-2hp-3hp_60543774692.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.b0e76b02Ff4BWW


                                                    $59.00-$66.00 / Piece  (Minimum 50 units gross selling)




                                      battery set :  https://patents.google.com/patent/US20090079393A1/en


                          3 KW modified sine wave inverter 50 US$/ea    3 KW pure sine wave inverter  90 US$/ea


                                                                  battery charger costs ?




                               LiFePo battery 100 US$/KWh capacity for 100 US$ fob factory




 The Neo-Messerschmitt cabin-roller is equipped with 1,4 KWh battery capacity !
  But included e-motor/generator brake energy recuperation function !




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battery-set calculation




2 KWh LiFePo battery capacity              for 300 US$/incl.distribution costs


3 KW modified sine wave inverter for 75 US$/incl. distribution costs


battery charger ,bticcs type, for 100 US$/incl. distribution costs




electric motor calculation :


1,5 KW AC 220 Volt 4000 RPM for 125 US$/incl. distribution costs


1,5 KW AC 220 V with modified Imris capacitive winding 175 US$/incl. distribution costs

https://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/RMS-Calculator.phtml

 important for AC-circuit   EMF = positive half-phase /BEMF = negative half-phase      calibration/flip-flop commutation

                                      Lenz and Fleming 3-finger/hand orientation rules applied

                                      in TD :  Gegen-Strom/Elektronen-Waerme-Tauscher / Kreuz-Mittelpunkt   


                                     +/- Voltage(force flux velocity) exchange,quantum-mechanical transmission


 


                                              total 600-650 US$ ,without installation and technical attest costs !


                                                   Before "conversion incentives " !?






We do not need to "scrap" technical/physical semi-new car bodies = stupid economical and not ecological action !






GHG amortized ex-IC engine converted (semi-new) cars compared


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/tech-zukunft/alternative-antriebe/studie-der-tu-eindhoven-gute-co2-bilanz-elektroautos/

 It achieves a CO2 equivalent of 78 g / km, which is 54 percent better than the Prius, which is 168 g / km.


 I calculate and write about :    1 g CO2 / Km


 ( not included the external GHG emission during motor and battery production )




The Eindhoven study and my numbers are solely "during driving"  consume electricity or/and fossil/bio fuel use related !


2 KWh battery is to 80% capacity fast re-loaded ! < 1hour,1500 W power outlet





1 g/Km CO2 emission gives advantage over CO2-scrubber investment costs :


https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210310-the-trillion-dollar-plan-to-capture-co2
Costing the planet
Estimates of how much it costs to capture a tonne of CO2 from the air vary widely, ranging from $100 to $1,000 (£72 to £720) per tonne. Oldham says that most figures are unduly pessimistic – he is confident that Climate Engineering can fix a tonne of carbon for as little as $94 (£68), especially once it becomes a widespread industrial process.


high costs estimation 1000 US$/ton for scrub process =


100 000 US$cents/ 1 000 000 Gr. CO2 = 0,1 US$cent per Gr.


or   1 US$/1000 Km range CO2 tributation ,


compared  for 1 gallon the consumer pays : ? US$ actually ?! Consume per 1000 Km or 595 miles in gallons and tank stations bill ?!




by 100 US$/ton CO2 scrubbing


= 1 US$/10 000 Km range CO2 tributation

                                                                 Attention :

Calculating the CO2-scrubbing costs with :


It achieves a CO2 equivalent of 78 g / km, which is 54 percent better than the Prius, which is 168 g / km.
 
                  78-168 times the costs per Km drive and 78-168 times the CO2 scrubbing tower capacity need  !











                                        1 g/Km    :      surviveable,I mean,the consequence  !


Saving in car conversion costs gives more financial budget freedom for planet CO2 and other GHG scrubbing !

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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2021, 05:53:32 PM »

1 KWh electric consume per 100 Km x 400 g CO2 /KWh german electricity-generation-mix


                                                                             = 4 g /Km


https://patents.google.com/patent/DE4332378A1/en?inventor=Kurt+Fritzsche


                                    claim : 3 Lt./100 Km gasoline consumption


the gasoline engine/generator couple showes us a 40% conversion efficiency


80% engine : Multidisc /Uni Michigan,gun engine modification http://www.rexresearch.com/holubowicz/holubowicz.htm ,
                     patentauction.com albanian inventor 90% claim


                                              1,5 Lt./100 Km gasoline consumption engine


the generator,conventional,change to Iida Kango/Frunzi-Tudor/Akio Hara units


                                              0,9 Lt./100 Km gasoline consumption


                                           Oh,how wonderfull the US-fuel cleanity  8)  :

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/greenhouse-gas-emissions-typical-passenger-vehicle#:~:text=typical%20passenger%20vehicle%3F-,A%20typical%20passenger%20vehicle%20emits%20about%204.6%20metric%20tons%20of,8%2C887%20grams%20of%20CO2.


How much tailpipe carbon dioxide (CO2) is created from burning one gallon of fuel?


CO2 Emissions from a gallon of gasoline: 8,887 grams CO2/ gallon :o  ( port. gallao /the US gallon : 3,758 lt.)
CO2 Emissions from a gallon of diesel: 10,180 grams CO2/ gallon  :o


                                            epa.gov- page ? REALLY ? Worked out by Dem or Rep or Lib ? agente provocateur  8)


                                                                                        ;D


a little more realistic numbers :


https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/sites/www.nrcan.gc.ca/files/oee/pdf/transportation/fuel-efficient-technologies/autosmart_factsheet_6_e.pdf


Burning 1 L ( circa 850 Gr.)  of gasoline produces approximately 2.3 kg of CO2 .

Carbon has an atomic weight of 12, oxygen has an atomic weight of 16 and CO2 has a molecular weight of 44 (1 carbon atom [12] + 2 oxygen atoms [2 x 16 = 32]).


 Therefore CO2 is 3.67 times heavier than carbon (44 ÷ 12 = 3.67).


 This is how 1 L of gasoline, which contains about 0.63 kg of carbon, can produce about 2.3 kg of CO2 (3.67 × 0.63 kg = 2.3  kg).






                                            0,9 Lt. x 2,3 Kg = 2,07 Kg per 100 Km CO2 emission


                                                                   0r 20,7 g/ Km


fueling the tank and then the engine with https://patents.google.com/patent/EP2690158A1/en hydro-carb fuel


                                                                        20,7 g / 8 =


                                                            2,6 g/ Km CO2 emission


                                        Option: on-board low cost CO2 vacuum-scrubber


                                                             < 2 g CO2/100 Km emission


                             https://www.tesla.com/en_EU/support/european-union-energy-label


                             modified Fritzsche concept = 1/10 Tesla Inc. all modells CO2 emission/Km


                                                        like all other actual e-cars (Hyndai,....)


                       
   Or : 10 x  Fritzsche,improved concept, cars consumes/emitts per 100 Km  as same as 1 x  Tesla Inc. Modell


         https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.umweltbundesamt.at/news210427


                             High g CO2/Km = high CO2 scrubbing investment costs and landscape spoilage

                              we need a right and intelligent incentive politique


                                                           THINK
                                                           RIGHT
                                                         no hurry
                                                   before investing



Fritzsche concept,unmodified,with Arakelian 7:1 of 8  hydro-carb fuel,without on-board CO2-scrubber  :

                                                  9  g CO2/Km emission


                                           ( equates 2,25 e-KWh/100 Km )

Attention : unmodified Fritzsche rated/nominal electric motor power level


Modified : Ferreira 1 e-wheel on a shaft,2 e-wheels on a shaft ,........ max-power e-engine


     E-Dragster ( electriclouie / Finkel) versus Lamborghini Diablo





                                                                         Fritzsche 2.0 


High 80% conversion efficient ic engine,Arakelian fuel and on-board CO2 scrubber and            Ferreira e-drive




                          from 2 g CO2 /Km                  to                                                               0,2 g CO2 /Km
 

high costs estimation 1000 US$/ton for scrub process =


1000US$ base = 100 000 US$cents/ 1 000 000 Gr. CO2 = 0,1 US$cent per Gr.

Fritzsche 2.0 CO2 scrubber tributation per 1000 Lm drive : for 200 Gr. CO2 emission 0,2 US$


low costs 100 US$ base :                          per 1000 Km drive : for 200 Gr.CO2 emission 2 US$cents



150 x  modified/converted Fritzsche 2.0 cars  emitts such CO2 mass per Km like 1x each  Tesla Inc/Hyndai/VW/MB/.... e-car  ,actually


Like I wrote before,ecological solutions are existent !

A Fritzsche 2.0 kit for middle class car power level for 2000 Euros realizeable
1x 9 KW ic engine ,2x 6 KVA generator and e-drive ,
option co2-scrubber

Converting Technical World 1.0 to Eco-World 2.0,included material and information recycling




btw: 1975-1978           ecological and technical public  standart


https://www.datadiwan.de/netzwerk/index.htm?/moch/moch_2b.htm



Method for improving the combustion process in an internal combustion engine by adding water to the fuel and device for carrying out the method
Inventor: Takeshige Sugimoto, Japan
Offenlegungsschrift 26 32 190
Registration date: 07/16/1976
Quotation page 16, 17:
The test vehicle is a 67 model of the Nissan Sunny type with a 1400 cc machine ...
 The test results showed that 1 liter of petrol was used for a distance of 32 km (# this corresponds to 3.125 l / 100 km ) "

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4030453A/en

Water fuel
picture of science, 5-1976, Current Science, page 3
Quote:
The 38-year-old Japanese businessman Takeshige Sugimoto from Tosayama, Tosagun, in Kochi Prefecture presented a fuel he had invented to the press - and went on a long journey with it. In the tank: A mixture of equal parts conventional gasoline and ordinary water ....
Despite a top speed of more than 100 km / h, only 50% of conventional gasoline is used - with extremely low environmental pollution from carbon monoxide and other poisons. "


and


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820309&CC=US&NR=4318449A&KC=A
A combination of a combustion engine connected to operate intermittently at its point of peak efficiency for effecting recharge of an electric power drive system provides a vehicle drive system capable of 100 miles per gallon.


100 mpg = 2,25 Lt/100 Km gasoline = 2,25 Lt x 2,3 Kg CO2/Lt =


                                                                                =  52 g CO2/Km



/2 for 50/50 gasoline-water mix = 1,125 Lt/100 Km x 2,3 Kg CO2/Lt = 2,59 Kg CO2 emission/100 Km                                                                               
                                                                                = 26 g CO2 /Km





                           Salisbury hybrid and 2011 https://patents.google.com/patent/EP2690158A1/en fuel-gas

                              100 mpg = 2,25 Lt/100 Km x 2,3 Kg/Lt /8 Arakelian hydro-carb fuel-gas 7:1 mix =

                                                                                  = 6,5 g CO2/Km





compared 2021 Tesla car ecological standart :


  https://www.tesla.com/en_EU/support/european-union-energy-label


                                                                                = 23-33 g CO2/ Km
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« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2021, 12:56:49 PM »
As Conceptionalist developping the "e-World-car/VOLKSAUTO"  :


First Point :


http://www.evalbum.com/motor  updated 2009 ,when this statement ,before update,was written ?  :


" For those accustomed to gas engines, this may not seem like much power, but the rating systems used for gas engines and electric motors are so different that the numbering system is almost meaningless. Gas engines are rated at their peak hp, electric motors are rated at their continuous hp. The peak hp of an electric motor is usually 8 to 10 times its continuous rating.
Electric vehicle drive motors can be divided into two basic groups, DC or direct current motors, and AC or alternating current motors. "


Pure electromagnetic e-motor or pm electric motor peak/continous ? Industrial/commercial e-motor performance at that time ?


Related,to think about : Fred Miekka´s experience with  industry electric motor standart /theoretical physical capacity !


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=fred+miekka&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search


https://citkar.com/de/shop/details-loadster-pick-up/ 


  continous 250 W and peak 1300 W = 5,2 as spread factor  versus "  usually 8 to 10 times "




                       we can/shall also differ : peak from continuous and average ! 

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                     Now the conversion base :  der (Mai-)Kaefer,beetle „Volkswagen“


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=de&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_K%25C3%25A4fer%23:~:text%3DDer%2520VW%2520K%25C3%25A4fer%2520%28VW%2520Typ,bis%2520Sommer%25202003%2520gebaut%2520wurde.


                    average  „Volkswagen“ hp to KW,from 16 to19 KW = 18 KW  „Volkswagen“  internal combustion engine power


                              conversion to 2021 electric motor version :


18 KW ic-KW as ic-b-KW     b= brake


18 KW ic-engine   / (1300/250 = Loadster  continous/peak spread ) = 3,46 b-KW rated/nominal electric motor power

https://jfautomotive.co.uk/case-studies/calculating-horsepower/

3,46 b-KW rated/nominal electric motor power  x 0,8 (bhp to whp or b-KW to w-KW w= wheel) =


                                                    2,77 w-KW rated in-wheel electric motor power


1. option : we use Watt as power-term ,without determ THE VOLT and the tension  its physical effect !

                higher VOLTAGE (FARADAY ! = higher FORCE) = higher speed max. !


                e-Motor voltage and e-battery voltage !


              3000 Watt 12 Volt DC 250 A                              versus                3000 W 220 Volt AC (RMS attention !) 14 A


                           field / cross road experiment and result in time,Wh,speed average,speed max.comparison !


                          2x   1500 W DC or AC ? Volt ?    https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/in-wheel-motor-1500-watt.html


                          Attention : we see the term " watt-age"~ rated or continuous power and " power" = peak power


            3 w-eKW (w = wheel ,e = electric)= more nominal rated power ( or " wattage")does  the international "VOLKSAUTO" not need   !
















Following his technological evolution : https://www.youtube.com/c/ViktorArestov/videos           compared Fred Miekka conventional motor modification/improvement


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://pedelec-elektro-fahrrad.de/news/arestov-neuer-motor-fuer-alltagstaugliche-e-bikes/16000/



The motor dispenses with the use of permanent magnets, i.e. rare earths, which, as a positive side effect, not only results in greater environmental friendliness, but also a reduction in manufacturing costs.


The drive is also lighter, quieter and equally suitable for eBikes and pedelecs. It is also suitable for use in electric cars or electric motorcycles.


The range is a decisive factor when choosing a pedelec or eBike. The new development, which is based on the basic principle of combined windings, scores here as well.


https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/M9_yU5hN1zs


With this technology, a 3 kW asynchronous motor could be built from a 1.5 kW permanent magnet motor.


The temperature problems that often occur with wheel hub motors are also unknown to him and can tolerate overheating of 150 ° C, e.g. when driving uphill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw2Y5ZVaMPk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJYgQJQadek


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJYgQJQadek - 6:49+  regenerative braking ! and battery recharge

related GarWoods supercar : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na8NYhRrrUs
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« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2021, 05:12:52 PM »
#50 :  https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa


          Past and current types


          https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa_125
         
          ic-engine power 4,5 hp or x 0,745 = 3,35 KW (peak)

        Top speed 70 km / h

         empty weight  83/87 Kg


          Models currently on sale


        Vespa Elettrica electric motor with 4 kW and 200 Nm,  weight 130 Kg

        https://wlassets.vespa.com/wlassets/vespa/master/tech_spec/EU5/ELETTRICA_45_KMH_EU5/original/ELETTRICA_45_KMH_EU5.pdf?1611747684351

                                  CONTINUOUS POWER 3.5 kW


                                  MAXIMUM POWER 4 kW


                                45 km / h top speed,
                       
                                100 km range (200 km with Range Extender (Version X)), multimedia on-board system - from October 2018) [5]




                                  ???

                                         weight,"wattage" or rated electric motor power

#28 :        25 Km/h   top            1,2 KW   MB F-Cell Roadster
                                                 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_F-Cell_Roadster   350 Kg weight

                40 Km/h   top            1,5 KW   12 Volt  weight ? http://www.evalbum.com/314 99 Kg weight       


              120 Km/h+ top            1,5 KW   230 Volt/50 Hz conventional gasoline car ( with ic engine 800 Kg+ ) to electric modification




#43 : 


                    rated "wattage" and/or electric motor power,weight,speed max.




   https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/2020-new-model-e-trike-manila-for-sale-62221349480.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acb2Sy61    450 US$/95 Kg


            500 W motor                                 speed max 25 Km/h


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/battery-operated-electric-cargo-tricycle-with-heavy-loading-500kg-van-tricycle-for-delivery-e-trikes-62149442633.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt750 US$/370 Kg

           1000 W motor                                speed max 28 Km/h

https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/exuberant-e-trike-for-indian-people-with-great-performance-1600146132970.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt  1750 US$/350 Kg

           800 W motor                                 speed max 35 Km/h

https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/mobility-closed-m1-trike-m-1-e-car-electricscooters-new-electric-tricycle-1600118965036.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt  1450 US$/155 Kg

          800 Watt motor                             speed max 25 Km/h




#50 :


             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioWv_sePLU0  nominal 350 Watt e-bike/Mo-Fa ,speed max 40 Km/h 


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf31fQJVWOU   ic to nominal 750 W e-bike,speed max 50 Km/h
                                                                             
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwX1vGQIwqk 1200 Watt 220 Volt,speed max ?


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1SWRb_7f48  2000 W nominal , speed max 70 Km/h 






Some seems not to understand : electric motor wattage overrating follows
                                                https://www.quantum-controls.co.uk/insights/faqs/what-is-cube-law/
                                                high losts !


A pump or fan ,edit: or wheel, running at half speed consumes only one eighth of the power compared to one running at full speed.


the #50 video e-bike conversion numbers and the " cube law"-performance


when rated 2000 W for speed max 70 Km/h


so                          for speed max 60 Km/h  cube law applied :  [(60/70)x(60/70)x (60/70)] x 2000 W =  rated 1260 Watt


                             for speed max 50 Km/h  cube law applied       50/70    50           50        x 2000 W =  rated   720 Watt


                             for speed max 40                                          40/70                                             = rated    373 Watt


 wheel, running at half speed consumes only one eighth of the power compared to one running at full speed


                             for speed max 35 Km/h                                 35/70                                             = rated    250 Watt


                            as 30 Km/h City-limit reference


                            for speed max  30                                          30/70                                             = rated    157 Watt


and now to refind the Gruber motor and Dr.W.Volkrodt 25 Km/h biker e-assistant values


                            for speed max 25                                            25/70                                           = rated      91 Watt


from decelerating step down


to


 accelerating : step up "cube law"-performance = invers application


from 25 Km/h to 70 Km/h                                                          [(70/25)x(70/25)x(70/25)] x 91     = rated 1997 Watt       
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« Reply #51 on: September 14, 2021, 12:29:43 AM »
Okay , https://overunity.com/13068/friction-heater-running-in-my-house/msg470504/#msg470504


                                                  heat pump  example             
           http://www.fujitsugeneral.co.nz/faq-s#faqnoanchor                       
           Why is it recently that a single heat pump can heat or cool very large areas?


It takes almost twice as much energy to heat a house from 2 degrees to 20 degrees as from 7 degrees to 20 degrees.
 So if you want to make sure you are going to get heating in all situations the heat pump needs to be sized correctly


a. 7 degrees to 20 degrees = 13° K


b. 2 degrees to 20 degrees = 18°K


normally ,wrong calculated : a 20 sqm room ,4 mtr x 5 mtr, with 2,5 mtr high = 65 sqm (without 20 sqm base) room exterior surface


       65 sqm a K-value 1,0 x 13°K =   845 W heat source need


       65 sqm a K-value 1,0 x 18°K = 1170 W heat source need


                                                     1170/845 = 1,384


      cube law effect           18/13 = 1,384 v3 = 2,65     


https://www.fenixgroup.cz/de here the above " Fujitsu hypo-/thesis" confirmed !


the "cube law " also called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_laws




I think it will be time to research the "Relativistische Kinematik/relativistic kinematics  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_mechanics    "
relationship between the "Affinity laws (proprotional/square/cube)" effect

and under "Schroedinger electron-gas"-condition as Bionik-theme the Biot-Savart law analogy !


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19850314&CC=DE&NR=3330899A1&KC=A1

https://paxscientific.com/   https://paxscientific.com/flair  https://paxscientific.com/innovative-technology   https://paxscientific.com/flow


btw : the Fritzsche ic-engine hibrid concept,instead ic-engine the 90% di Pietro air engine ? + improved generator couple and Ferreira motor

When actually ic-engine power-to-wheel efficiency is in the     <10% range ,


by Fritzsche with conventional engine/conventional generator <20% range


                         di Pietro engine/conventional generator conversion  45% power-to-wheel efficiency range


                  with di Pietro          /   improved   generator                   90% power-to-wheel efficiency range


and by Ferreira motor use  90% di Pietro engine as propulsion source less " compressed air storage " need




 https://treasury.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-03/R2011-002_Engineair.pdf

There are no toxic chemicals used as for batteries, the running life is considerably greater than for throw away battery packs for vehicles. Our ranges are similar but our recharge time is a few minutes rather than hours.
Our run times can be increased by using some form of heat store to boost compressed air pressures -
this can be through on-board solar thermal sources for example.


 What makes these applications so viable is that the Di Pietro motor has been very cleverly designed
 to use far less air compared with other current air motors -
our current 9 chamber motor uses nearly 4 times less air than its competitors for the same power output -
 so far less running of power hungry compressors.
 Additionally outlay on large capacity compressors can be much less in industrial situations.
       

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« Reply #52 on: September 14, 2021, 12:25:54 PM »
We have to work inter-disciplinary/inter-facultativ and inter-national to get the best result !


Thermoscience : Bionics and Geonics(Space-Time: Volumetrics)


Classical laws,up to declared :Axiom,probably with fixed constants(Avogrado,Planck et et cetera) and newest findings/corrections !


International Prize participants entree and winner scientifical results !


Thermoscience and Thermoengineering :


Gay-Lussac


Avogrado


Michel Rodriguez


Michel Prueitt M.E.C.H.


Wilhelm Haeberle


Pax Scientific


an internal combustion (differs from external combustion ?) engine seen as "heat canon" ( Paris "1,5°C temperature increase limit ")


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hei%25C3%259Fluftgebl%25C3%25A4se






1 litre water as liquid transforms to ? litres hho-gas ? 1000x+ volume expansion or gas-to-liquid compression


with expansion volume the temperature a. increase b.decrease cases !

http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=19740299&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

" ...


The asymmetrical cycle of this process for converting thermal energy into usable mechanical energy, shown in the Mollier t / s diagram for carbon dioxide (CO2) in Fig. 1 and Fig. 2, works on the left side of the inversion line, in a pressure range in which all processes run mirror-inverted to the right-hand side of the inversion line and the usual behavior of CO2 is reversed:


When the pressure increases, it cools down instead of warming up.



When the pressure drops, it is heated instead of cooled.



According to Maxwell (1831 to 1879) and Boltzmann (1844 to 1916), all molecules are constantly in motion, that is their natural state.

They either fly through space (gases) or swarm closely together (liquids), or they oscillate quickly around a central position (solid), and they can also vibrate and rotate and perform combinations of all of these movements.

The movement increases with increasing temperature and decreases with decreasing temperature.




With increasing pressure, the packing density of the molecules rises in liquids, they mutually hinder each other's freedom of movement.

The vibrations become smaller in spite of the work expended on the compression and smaller vibrations mean a temperature and thus a decrease in entropy.


With decreasing pressure, the oscillations of the molecules increase again, the temperature and the entropy increase. ... ."







ambient air temperature intake to engine / acceleration (Rodriguez : gigacycles)/ combustion process temperature engine outtake/exhaust


https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/exhaust-gas



2.2 Engine specification and exhaust gas composition

Item
Data

Exhaust gas temperature 365 °C


Before turbine temperature 342 °C


After turbine temperature 193 °C

https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_the_influence_of_engine_load_on_the_exhaust_temperature_of_an_IC_engine#:~:text=Temperature%20of%20engine%20exhaust%20is,can%20destroy%20the%20catalytic%20converter.

                                                     300°C - 700°C exhaust temperature !


                 hydrogen internal combustion process exhaust temperature ? (BMW hydrogen-Otto-cycle !)

         https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Exhaust-gas-temperature-of-gasoline-and-hydrogen-engine-Figure-76Portrays-the-NO-x_fig9_310772006


ambient temperature air to engine as engine exhaust to ambient air : ambient air volume temperature change after engine exhaust ?

6 Litre liquid/100 Km gasoline to 5,1 Kg gasoline consume + 1:14,7 (total 15,7 units) ambient air mix = 80 Kg/ 100 Km gas mass consume


                                 
                                      80 Kg gas mass its volume ? Its average temperature as exhaust ?


                                                         "After turbine temperature 193°C " ?




                                    combustion process  (heat canon like) before/after exchange


                                                        ambient air unit/-s            exhaust unit


 simple calculation example  :o       :   1 gas mole unit a 20°C  + 1 gas mole unit a 30°C     =  2 units with average 25°C


                                                        1 gas mole unit a 20°C + 1 gas mole unit a 193°C   = 2 units with average 106.5°C


                                 
                                                        9 gas mole units a 20°C + 1 gas mole unit a 193°C  = 10 units with average 37,3°C


                                                       99 gas mole units a 20°C + 1 gas mole unit a 193°C = 100 units with average 21,73°C




                                                      80 Kg exhaust air mass a 193°C temperature x 100 = 8000 Kg ambient air mass with 1,73°C increase




air density(clearly temperature/humidity/pressure et cetera dependent,average https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_of_air


                                                                 At 20 °C and 101.325 kPa, dry air has a density of 1.2041 kg/m3.



                                                 8000 Kg/1,2 Kg = 6666 cbm or as gas volume : 6 666 000 lt. (per driving unit ! )


                                                         with "only 193°C exhaust temperature" calculation !




                                                       6 666 cbm / 3 metres high = 2222 sqm area 1,73°C temperature increase


                                                      1 sqKm = 1 000 000 sqm /2222 sqm = 350 ic-engine vehicles a 6 Lt fuel/100 km consume per sqKm


                                                        6 Lt. +X per  a.100 Km or  b. per hour     consume ? ,


                                                 space temperature increasing tipo - "heat canon" on 3/4-wheels -  in action ?




              A fuel-kind change does not change ambiental temperature increase by same/similar high process exhaust temperature


for clearance : this as car use time effect /24 hours  https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Transport/Vehicle-abundance


but related total transportation sector  https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/transport-uses-25-percent-of-world-energy


passengers =  as light-duty vehicles 45 q. BTU  from 55 quadrillion BTU representing


2019 total primary energy consume : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_supply_and_consumption 14420 Mtoe 2018


14420 x 11,63 TWh or    14420 x (11,63 x 10v9 KWh)   1 KWh = 3410 BTU


14420 x 11,63 x 1 000 000 000 x 3410 BTU


= 571 872 686 000 000 000 BTU


0r 571,87 quadrillion BTU global total energy consumption ,

Related 24/365 solar radiation in BTU ? 82 million quads of BTU,for free ! 1 quad = 1 quadrllion BTU

Or solar radiation to planet Earth per year : 82 000/571,87 times the human statistical  energy consume

                                                            = 143,4 times

Upps, :-[ :-\ :'( ,Pardon-me,a calculation error above to see :

                                       82 000 000 (quads)/ 571,87 ( quads)  = 143 390 times

                     
                          I am not perfect,I am human ! With the right/ obligation to correct !







8% passengers light-duty vehicle transport/traffic part

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/light-duty-vehicles

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/ieo/pdf/transportation.pdf  BTU consume for 2040 preview : increase !




so we can remark that total passengers transport as  light-duty vehicle only participate with actually 8% by the caloric climate change !


Only use/driving(air conditioning/heating/cooling),not vehicle production included !



Even 8% to 4% halfing  = 96 % other energy consumption climate change sources will stay ,by growing world-population


        8% to 0,8% decimation = 92,2 % other climate change sources will stay !


10 billions human habitants with only 25% G7 actually material/energy habitant consume as social comfort demand : ? Earth in number !
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« Reply #53 on: September 15, 2021, 04:04:08 PM »
Am I un-fair in my treating from member Ufopolitics ?


https://overunity.com/15864/friedrich-luling-magnet-motor/msg560343/#new

" This Lüling Motor research and development is not to start "commercializing it" !!"

commercializing : offen zu Markte tragen, openly presenting


         NOT ?                       AFFRONT !

He can apply for the "Overunity Prize",no doubt,I invite him !


But it is not the real "overunity.com-forum philosophy" target !

( Probably for some : " dem Establishment ans Bein pinkeln/ pee on the leg of the establishment "-Aktion )

My personal opinion,can be wrong !


The first target he would reach ,#60 : a cold process motor principle !


First success !



since vapor-driven (unmanned) mobile


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Verbiest                             1672


 vapor-engine driven 3/4-wheel passenger mobiles


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas-Joseph_Cugnot                        1769        2019 : 250 YEARS AUTOMOBILE JUBILEE !


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Trevithick                               1801

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_L%C3%A9onard_Sadi_Carnot  1824

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertha_Benz                                       1888




https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19870512&CC=US&NR=4663939A&KC=A


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=8&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19970506&CC=US&NR=5626459A&KC=A


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920428&CC=US&NR=5107682A&KC=A


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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2021, 12:21:45 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertha_Benz


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_F-Cell_Roadster   1,2 KW e-motor Voltage ? DC or AC ?
https://web.archive.org/web/20160303222913/http://www.benevelli.it/files/Mercedes_Benz_Fuel_Cell_Project.pdf

https://patents.google.com/patent/DE10011074A1/de              1,5 KW 220 AC Volt


F-Cell :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19280203&CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A


Un exemple :
 il est avéré qu'un minuscule récipient cubique de o- 3o (le côté, d'un poils moyen de 15 kilogs, en pleine charge,
contient 55o éléments complets dont voici la puissance électromotrice Tension : 66o volts.


Intensité : 1,5 ampères pour une. Résistance intérieure : de 44o ohms. force qui ne se dégradant que de i !à volts par heure,
 laisse une marge de force utile lar gement suffisante pour entraîner un moteur de 1o HP à 15oo tours,
 durant 3o heures au minimum, force à peu près gratuite et renouvelable à tout instant par une simple réimbibition des sachets de charbon (opérable en quelques minutes).


660 V x 1,5 A = 990 VA
1 hp (french)=   735 W
10 hp  ergo  = 7350 W

how did in this time ,20s from last century,the engineers measured and "rated"electric engine power ,by continuous or peak power !?

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19280203&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP
in the "original document" : yes,there - second page  -left side-   line 33-    to read  " 10 HP "


Much experimental freedom from RC-model to ECO-Marathon size vehicles to "conventional compact class car" development !


                                                   with human driver to virtual driver="autonomous"






                                     Yearly regional,national ECO-games to international ECO-games , development "Marathon"


                                     schools and universities : https://www.jugend-forscht.de/information-in-english.html


                                                           senior (elders = U60 e-/in- ducation) universities ,too


                                                          VOLKSHOCHSCHULE
(Volk = Folk and Hochschule = University,to differ : High/Hoch-school/Schule= Oberschule: class 5-12/13)
                                                                                           Basic/Grund-school/Schule :                     class 1-4
or automatic translated https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Volkshochschule?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se

                                               MADE IN ...... ::)

The Danish folk high school of Grundtvig style also had a lasting influence on the development of adult education centers in Germany .


  Nikolai Frederik Severin Grundtvig is considered to be the founder of the first (home) adult education center in 1844.

  edit : influence probably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B8ren_Kierkegaard

  Germany : https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Kolping
                   https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Abbe

                   https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Weber
                   

Today adult education is understood as an organized form of lifelong learning .


 Adult education centers make a contribution to realizing the right to education and equal opportunities .
 
They derive their educational mandate from the principles of enlightenment and human rights . [3]
                                                                                     :o  illuminati ? ;)

The global social changes show the importance to be attached to adult education centers in the future.

Some ideas of the original community colleges can be found today in the concepts of national universities .

24/365 open door  on-line community colleges/local house(Gemeindehouse ~ church/Kirche/Tempel/Academia)
                                                              " Volkshaus "
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkshaus_Jena

https://www-bpb-de.translate.goog/apuz/26319/dritter-weg-und-kommunitarismus?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem
human rights

to human rights watch

to human rights and obligations watch

24/365

applied social liberalism

Yes,We can     or     Ja,Wir schaffen das

Die Welt auf der Suche nach "Seelen-Heil" ::)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.bibelwerk.at/dl/NNOrJmoJMLlJqx4KJKJmMJkLMk/Hilf_Herr.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERYY8GJ-i0I
God-Estate or Estate by God !? socius/social with Ablativ-casus and Kants categoric Vocativ/Imperativ

                                            X = individuals inner voice/line  followed ' tit for tat'

                                                   Nature laws and Bioanalytics

                  caminho a/o  Sao Tome ( Archipel) or Dominikaner St.T. de Aquin : 'fair return' and Jesaja 32,17                   

            Duke University 75 Watt mobility / VW and other 172 000 W,continuous ? peak ?, power potential


                                  ...., ich will Spass/Fun,ich geb ( electrons/ions) gas,.....
                    solange es die (virtuelle) ECB-chase/case/caixa/Kasse, und deren Glaeubiger, noch erlaubt


US-F.E.D.- return program to Silver-Standart -Dollar, ECB : Silver-Standart-Euro !?
Actual capital uncovered Dollar and Euro nominal value cut ,old/new Dollars and old/new Euros ratio ? Top secret  ;)
European Banking( BG)  and Industry(IG) Union ( or Fusion ),


not only supervisory,but also ownership


V.olks E.igener B.etrieb  in G.D.R. ,here now ECB-E.B. ,commercial,financial,industrial


                                                  in U.S      F.E.D.-O.-E.  Owned Entity


 




 
the ECB first Frankfurt-headquarter : IG-(FARBEN)HAUS

IG-FARBEN ( Farbwerke Hoechst,BAYER,B.A.S.F. and +)
Lieferant des nicht A,nicht C,sondern als besonders human ausersehenen Gas-Gemisches des Zyklon B
DR-Kanzler und DR-Fuehrer A.Hitler,so ist es zu lesen,befahl :
( so weit wie moeglich) schmerzlosen Tod/Liquidierung  !


communitarism :    Unser Reich komme,UNSER Wille geschehe

 Dschihad catolico  ;D WELTENREICH,so weit wie moeglich  8)
                                          ICH habe SPASS


Hiro-Shima,die steinerne Treppenstufe,ehemals ein Mensch darauf,vor atomaren Schlag,nun ein "ewiger Schatten"

 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelmacher


(Nielsen) Passanten-Frequenz


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2f29bKVNMQ


units passage per volume  https://telefonzelle.de.tl/Telefonh.ae.uschen-TelH-78.htm   volume = 2,3 cbm


Chamber


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=6&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19940707&CC=DE&NR=4312372A1&KC=A1


Engel-Kammer (Plasma converter)


and/or


https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/wissen/Corona-Pandemie-folgt-altem-Naturprinzip-article22786704.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem


Dem Ersten (kill the winner) immer Vortritt erlauben  ;D


research and science without limits !


https://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Scie/ScieGher.htm#:~:text=form%20of%20Science.-,Does%20Empirical%20Science%20have%20any%20limits%3F,unresolvable%20questions%2C%20they%20have%20sense.&text=It%20is%20shown%20not%20only,we%20have%20about%20the%20world.


Does Empirical Science have any limits?


 The answer of the scientists is No: Science is unlimited.


There are no scientifically unresolvable questions, they have sense.

 The answer of the philosophers is not clear, but it is close to No.

It is shown not only in technology, and philosophers also claim, that Science is the best knowledge we have about the world.


 It seems clear, that Science will never reach an end.

                                                               Sado-/Maso relation


                                                                Master and servant
                                                                Servant and master
                                                             
                                                      science = visiting heaven and hell


                                                no questions anymore,100% satisfaction



                                                                   Todesengel
                                             https://deutsch.radio.cz/mengeles-zwilling-a-782-8109581
                                             https://deutsch-radio-cz.translate.goog/mengeles-zwilling-a-782-8109581?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem

https://sites.google.com/nxj.quererla.com/lopevobox01/epubpdf-download-mengele-the-complete-story-by-gerald-posner-book


                                             

                                                      and to let not "shadow"-print behind


Hiro-Shima,die steinerne Treppenstufe,ehemals ein Mensch darauf,vor atomaren Schlag,nun ein "ewiger Schatten"


the world has to ways : ordered communitarism or

                                                                                      a. DAESH/IS  Raqqa-like anarchism (open concentration-camp)

                                                                                     https://theglobalcoalition.org/en/timeline-fall-daesh-raqqa/

                                                                                     b. youth estate-in the-estate like

                                                                                         https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha

                                                                                     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13



                                               https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Max_(film)

                                                                               justice ?


                                                                        face-by-face

                                        or by remote controle/autonomous objects  ,the vengeance/retribution


                                              the individual decision case : subordination or suicide
                               

                                                        best/worst case preview and plannings




Dystopia


https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Fahrenheit_451?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se

           how much reality the next generations have to receive by education ?

                   the "actually termed " social classes upper 50/lower 50
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