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Author Topic: Mgnetic shield?  (Read 2282 times)

Offline telecom

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Mgnetic shield?
« on: July 30, 2019, 08:47:16 PM »
I put together two repelling magnets, opposing each other.
I inserted a similar magnet between them.
It was attracted to one magnet, and  simultaneously repelled by another.
I tried pulling it out - the force of pulling out is considerable, so high, that I couldn't pull with my fingers.
Attaching the image - couldn't place camera at the different angle, since one hand was holding the setup.

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Mgnetic shield?
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Re: Mgnetic shield?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2019, 08:58:24 PM »
what kind of magnet was between them (two with like poles) that he was attracted to one, repelled from the other? it does not happen.

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Re: Mgnetic shield?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2019, 09:03:23 PM »
I put together two repelling magnets, opposing each other.
I inserted a similar magnet between them.
It was attracted to one magnet, and  simultaneously repelled by another.
I tried pulling it out - the force of pulling out is considerable, so high, that I couldn't pull with my fingers.
Attaching the image - couldn't place camera at the different angle, since one hand was holding the setup.
telecom,

please read these few posts here and understand them:

https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg537598/#msg537598

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Re: Mgnetic shield?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2019, 09:03:23 PM »
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Re: Mgnetic shield?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2019, 09:03:44 PM »
Exactly the same type  -  the  standard walmart edition.
This test can be easily repeated by everyone w/o the elaborate setup.

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Re: Mgnetic shield?
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2019, 12:09:33 AM »
This happens because both attraction and repelling forces act in the same direction.
Since, according to Newton, they are vectors, they just add to each other.
I think there is a way around it, by having another shield, rigidly connected to the first one.
But the polarity of the magents should be opposite.
In this case forces on each shield should neutralize each other, IMHO.

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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2019, 12:09:33 AM »
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Re: Mgnetic shield?
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2019, 03:16:10 AM »
telecom,

please read these few posts here and understand them:

https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg537598/#msg537598

Gyula


IMHO, this is not going to work because the linear rack and pinion neutralization
of the two moving magnets will stop working.
(But I may be wrong)

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Re: Mgnetic shield?
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2019, 11:37:31 AM »
In the meantime Floor posted this:

https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg537886/#msg537886

So the best is to understand his original teachings and replicate it accordingly.
Gyula
 

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Re: Mgnetic shield?
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2019, 03:40:17 PM »
In the meantime Floor posted this:

https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg537886/#msg537886

So the best is to understand his original teachings and replicate it accordingly.
Gyula
 

I'm seconding response by citfta in this case:
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Can you please explain why you feel my build is not an exact replication of your rack 3 design.  I am a little confused.  You PDF shows two magnets in opposition to each other and connected by a rack and pinion gear arrangement.  And a shield magnet in between the opposing magnets.  So why do you feel I have not correctly built your rack 3 device?  The only difference between the videos and what  I said I was going to build is that I haven't added a weight yet to the rack assembly.
Respectfully,
Carroll
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I suggest to Floor to build something working first, so we can just replicate and mass produce it.
Or at list a proper set of drawings with dimensions.

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Re: Mgnetic shield?
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2019, 04:42:29 PM »
Dear telecom,
Floor just made an explanation on citfta's setup, read and understand:

https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg537937/#msg537937 

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Re: Mgnetic shield?
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Re: Mgnetic shield?
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2019, 04:54:02 PM »
Dear telecom,
Floor just made an explanation on citfta's setup, read and understand:

https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg537937/#msg537937 

Gyula

Hi Gyula,
I couldn't understand the first part of what he suggested.
In the second part, the magnets' array is not going to work because it wont be able
to completely neutralize the repelling rack and pinion magnets.

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Re: Mgnetic shield?
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2019, 05:14:33 PM »
Please copy and past the text from the first part you do not understand.
Re the 2nd part: it can only be verified by actual tests and with magnet sizes and ratios Floor wrote.
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Re: Mgnetic shield?
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2019, 05:42:11 PM »
This is what I don't understand:
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But the orientation / direction of the shield magnet is 90 degrees off.

If you rotated it so that its broad faces were up and down that would be
one of the designs I have presented.  But I don't recommend that.
                           Because,.....
1. with the magnet shapes you are using,  the sliding magnets
would be too far apart, even when they are pushed toward each other.
2. You would be shielding two magnets with just a single one.
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If he means placing the shielding magnet perpendicular to the repelling magnets,
this will not work - it will affect the neutralization + greatly diminish the repelling force.
Or something else?
Clear drawing is needed to understand clearly.

In terms of the second part, I agree that there is nothing better than the real test.
The exact drawing with dimensions will also be helpful.
Or even better, a working prototype, rather than teachings.

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Re: Magnetic shield?
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2019, 07:20:09 PM »
Just to clarify why I think inserting of the array shield is not going to work.
Both attraction and repelling should be exactly equal for the rack and pinion connected magnets.
In our case, from the left, repelling is 1.5 units, while from the right, the attraction, is only .5 units.
So much for the "teachings".

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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2019, 11:19:44 PM »
....
If he means placing the shielding magnet perpendicular to the repelling magnets,
this will not work - it will affect the neutralization + greatly diminish the repelling force.
Or something else?
Clear drawing is needed to understand clearly.
...
Yes, he meant perpendicular as you did and indeed the distance between the two facing (repel) magnets would be
too high to make the setup useful. But he did show this variation in a separate video, just to demonstrate that the
shield magnet can be moved in or out with very little input force with that orientation, that was the point: 
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x59r978  and as he wrote to citfta he did not recommend it due to the big distances.

You can see magnet sizes Floor used earlier in 2017 for tests if you look for it:
https://overunity.com/17070/all-magnet-motor-td-based/msg502026/#msg502026 

and read what Floor suggested to citfta
https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg537962/#msg537962 
but those are for citfta setup...   
Nobody will show to anyone a working setup and IMHO it is the principle which is important and Floor did explain it.

Regarding your 1.5 vs 0.5 unit difference instead of equal attract and repel forces, Floor mentioned differences
(due to manufacture or abuse) in magnet strengths to consider and selecting them if needed. 

Good luck,
Gyula

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Re: Mgnetic shield?
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2019, 12:47:04 AM »
Yes, he meant perpendicular as you did and indeed the distance between the two facing (repel) magnets would be
too high to make the setup useful. But he did show this variation in a separate video, just to demonstrate that the
shield magnet can be moved in or out with very little input force with that orientation, that was the point: 
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x59r978  and as he wrote to citfta he did not recommend it due to the big distances.
Yes , I tried it myself - it slides well, except it doesn't provide any shielding.

You can see magnet sizes Floor used earlier in 2017 for tests if you look for it:
https://overunity.com/17070/all-magnet-motor-td-based/msg502026/#msg502026 

and read what Floor suggested to citfta
https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg537962/#msg537962 
but those are for citfta setup...   

He suggested using double sized magnets for the shield.
The problem is, they will be overpowered at the close distances by the
repelling magnets because the distance between them will be smaller than
between the shielding magnets.

Nobody will show to anyone a working setup and IMHO it is the principle which is important and Floor did explain it.
I would gladly did. In fact, there is something interesting I've noticed when reading
a magnet patent, will post on it later.
Regarding your 1.5 vs 0.5 unit difference instead of equal attract and repel forces, Floor mentioned differences
(due to manufacture or abuse) in magnet strengths to consider and selecting them if needed. 

This was referring to the actual sizes of the shield magnets. He went around it by doubling the sizes, but it has another pitfall, as described above.
Looking forward to see how this will be implemented by citfta.

 

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