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Offline norman6538

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Power from repelling magnets
« on: July 20, 2019, 11:01:53 PM »
I am currently constructing two Butch Lafonte repel balanced machines that will give over 500% energy out by using one to release the repel force between two magnets. Butch Lafonte originally made a scissors version with 2 attracting magnets on one end and 2 repelling magnets on the other end. When I saw  that  about 12 years ago I knew it had some real potential. So I right away made a rotary version and then a linear version but could not unbalance them to achieve any useful energy. Then I thought to combine them so one will release the permanent magnetic power in the other.  I am currently working on the close tolerance to make them work well. But meanwhile you can see the 3 versions that I made in the attached photo.
The weather is too hot in my garage to work very long so it will take a week or more to work
10-15 mins at a time. Butch seems to have disappeared but you can see some the the
Lafonte group videos/annimations here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygf5xoyWIsI&feature=related
If anyone knows were Butch is let me know, I sure would like to contact him.
He will love my enhancements. They are way past the sticky spot.
I have always said  that if you can take a small force to release a larger force then it will be OU.

Norman

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2019, 01:01:58 AM »
same problem here in NE USA with the heat 15 20 minutes in the shop then sit inside infront of the fan...taking forever to get stuff done feels way hotter than 100 degrees out there !

I had some contacts for Butch years back
will try to find the...also didn't forum member Dusty work with Butch? think I had a contact there too?

thanks for sharing !!I hope Butch is still around...may take a day or so to find what I have ,computer was fried a while back

keep cool
Chet K

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2019, 01:35:55 AM »
Thanks Ramset. My email for Butch no longer works but I called his cell ph
and left a message. He lives in Alabama.

He could came up with more ideas but never much on measurement.
I have been fooled by the feel of my hand many times. I like weights
instead of measurement devices. In one case 1 weight dropped 1/4 inch
and the same weight was lifted maybe 1/2 inch or more. It was all in plain view,
nothing to dispute.
Butch's absence could mean he found something and went quiet.

Norman

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
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Offline Floor

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2019, 07:55:28 PM »
Thanks Norman

I'm glad to see that some one is continuing with / adding to the La Fonte concepts.

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2019, 02:49:37 AM »

My work with the Lafonte cascaded has failed after 3 embodiments due to imprecision.
But I was able to demonstrate with a manual fixed setup that the stacking of magnets
from a cascaded device does turn the repel on and off at the other end of that rotor.

see the video  at: https://youtu.be/lBQ38F_WbUs


So the concept is valid but not  adequately embodied. I ordered some better bearings
to reduce the tolerance. So far I have had to make my own bearings out of long rods
for stability but that takes time.

Stay tuned. Norman
 

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Offline norman6538

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2019, 01:20:27 AM »
My work will be delayed. I had aq heart attack Mon.but recovering well.
Norman

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2019, 10:49:35 AM »
Hi Norman,

I keep my fingers crossed for your health and wish you full recovery. 

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Offline norman6538

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2019, 12:16:11 PM »
Thanks Gyula.  It was totally unexpected out from nowhere and within 15 min
 
called 911 and got to the hospital in 1/2 hr for 1 stent in 1 blocked artery.
 
Norman

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2019, 05:05:01 PM »
Get well soon.

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Offline norman6538

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2019, 12:06:03 PM »
I have recovered enough to piddle around a little more but I'm waiting for parts which should arrive Wed. Then I should be able to do the final assembly and test power in vs  power out.
If that goes well I will then cascade to a bigger machine to get enough power multiplied to
feed back to the smaller machine and keep the cycle running except it will take some serious
clockmanship to accomplish that. Along the way I have improved my construction precision skills.

I was able to walk 3/4 mi. 2 times yesterday.
And the temp has cooled down enough to work in the garage without getting heated up
in 10 mins.


Norman

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2019, 03:19:22 PM »
I doubt that your design amplifies power. Why, because after it turns 180 degrees, the attraction force stops it, so also the force to start the motion seems to be quite great.

Saying that, i think it's true that any asymmetric field can do continuous work, and magnetic field is an asymmetric field because it has two poles. This means that there should be a trajectory how one magnet goes through the magnetic field of another magnet, and gets propulsion. This drawing shows such trajectory in a straight line  https://ia800903.us.archive.org/22/items/Flcm4/pmmbp12.jpg  but there are other possible trajectories, maybe 3D, that may be more efficient, that depends on the shape of the magnetic fields. The other question is how to make a magnet to move exactly on such trajectory.

My this experiment seems to show overunity  https://archive.org/details/Flcm3  that though doesn't exceed the friction. But the problem is that it was done by hand, which of course anyone can repeat, but it is not really measuring it. This experiment thus should be replicated using pressure sensitive resistors or such, to measure forces, and a trigger, like a vertical stopper that doesn't depend on the hand motion horizontally. The importance is though that it seems to show overunity, and there is also a theoretical reason why there should be overunity in such design, so this is a reasonable subject for research.

Thank you for your attention, if it was anyhow useful for anybody.

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2019, 04:39:39 PM »
ayeaye thanks for your reply. I'll be  brief because I have recovered enough to work a little and my parts have arrived to complete my machine. I have said for a long time that if a small force can release a larger force then we will have OU. This machine is my 3rd example of OU. It is based on using 2 Lafonte machines to turn off and on the permanent magnetic forces. Most people don't believe this is even possible but it works.
My first measurement gave 1 unit of work in and 4 units out. I should have this measured by Wed.
I am very weak and can do very little at a time.
I was careful to give the details to my children in case anything happens to me so barring
the men in b???k you will soon know how to do it.

Norman

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2019, 05:57:12 PM »
I have said for a long time that if a small force can release a larger force then we will have OU.


Right but, i think one should first theoretically show that in some design a small force really releases a larger force, and not just another force. I proposed a theoretical foundation for that and it did stand all criticism for 6 years, so why not think your design theoretically through based on that? As i see, there is only one theoretical reason that can cause overunity in permanent magnets, and maybe not only in permanent magnets, so by that all overunity in permanent magnets should be explained by this.

Many thanks for all your efforts at that, i just want that your efforts will have a result significant for research. Even if you first fail to get overunity the way you think.

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2019, 08:01:10 PM »
I'm enjoying the dialogue. My 2nd OU device was the Lafonte slider and here is what you saw.
1. weight dropped x distance.
2. 2 weights were lifted that same x distance. Very very clear.

That is the way I measure things. Only the brain dead could not see the obvious. An I will
do it the same way this time.

Here is the principle that is alway in play.
1. set it up - the appratus must be moved/cocked/set to make power.
2. power is made/used/ or stored.
3. reset for repeat by moving something back into position of step 1.

So step 1 is a small force, step 2 is a larger force, and step 3 is a small force.

Norman

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Re: Power from repelling magnets
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2019, 10:35:18 PM »
I looked at the lafonte things, didn't convince me though anyhow. One device that was shown, yes sure the force to separate two magnets may well be 5 times less than the force with which they attract. When to move two much bigger repulsing magnets against each other, and steel bars towards the magnets, which also need an additional force to later separate them from the magnets. So not 5 times less force at all, if not greater force. All in all it looked to me as a bad idea. No theoretical reason given why this thing as a whole should provide overunity, no calculations or anything that the total energy to separate will be less than the energy gained when attracting. Making it even less convincing.

 

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