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Author Topic: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation  (Read 28022 times)

Offline NickZ

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #90 on: July 18, 2019, 07:57:24 PM »
   a.king:   Just how would you determine if there is any additional power coming from the ground? Instead of going to the ground, like is normally seen?

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #91 on: July 18, 2019, 08:19:10 PM »
   a.king:   Just how would you determine if there is any additional power coming from the ground? Instead of going to the ground, like is normally seen?
Yes And wouldn't any gain be lost as it's pushing then pulling and then a circuit like that is hard to get going, have you ever tried it at high frequency as the big tesla coil becomes shorter
and then it has 3uf top load and no start up facility or recovery time or dump facility or time period have you a video showing it running would be nice to see.

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #92 on: July 18, 2019, 08:20:29 PM »
   a.king:   Just how would you determine if there is any additional power coming from the ground? Instead of going to the ground, like is normally seen?

Hi Nick. If the supply battery is truly staying charged.  Determining how long to
run the test for depends on the Amp-hour rating of the supply battery and the current draw
of the circuit on the supply battery. The longer you leave the test running the better. There are
major variables in that circuit such as what values to use for L1, L2, L3 and C2.
Due to that, at this point, I wouldn't call this a replication. Just experimenting with a
general circuit arrangement approach. Still it is a relatively simple circuit setup (a kacher circuit),
so should be pretty easy for anyone who wants to experiment with it. :)


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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #93 on: July 18, 2019, 08:27:06 PM »
Hi Nick. If the supply battery is truly staying charged.  Determining how long to
run the test for depends on the Amp-hour rating of the supply battery and the current draw
of the circuit on the supply battery. The longer you leave the test running the better. There are
major variables in that circuit such as what values to use for L1, L2, L3 and C2.
Due to that, at this point, I wouldn't call this a replication. Just experimenting with a
general circuit arrangement approach. Still it is a relatively simple circuit setup (a kacher circuit),
so should be pretty easy for anyone who wants to experiment with it. :)
Yes rather you than me, how does it capture and store the energy with out any control?

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #94 on: July 18, 2019, 08:33:36 PM »
Yes rather you than me, how does it capture and store the energy ?

Hi AG. I make no claims about OU there. I have experimented with this sort of thing
in the past. No luck on my part so far. It is not so different in general than one of Nelson's previous arrangements, I think. 
Looking at the circuit, charge is (hopefully) 'pumped' from the earth and accelerated through the windings of the output
transformer primary winding. The secondary of the output transformer connects back to the supply battery
via the FWBR.


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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #95 on: July 18, 2019, 08:40:10 PM »
   a.king:   Just how would you determine if there is any additional power coming from the ground? Instead of going to the ground, like is normally seen?
Well this is the whole point of the circuit. Try it and see.  You can also potentialize more caps using one wire and an Avramenko thus lessening the draw on the circuit. And yes, running it for quite a while is the key. Also during the day is better and on high ground.
I got my first mains shock in many years using the benign RICK and this circuit addition. And it shocked me both physically and mentally.  Just was not expecting it from the device driven by the gate driver. My Slayer is only powered by 5 volt nimhs.
As you say, conventional wisdom says it should go to earth ground - not the other way. That is the whole point of the experiment and there are many variations.

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #96 on: July 18, 2019, 08:44:18 PM »
   Void:   So other than battery run times, there is no way to know and measure if there is current coming from the ground, or even how much "gain" comes from the earth ground line. As there are no batteries that don't drain after a while. Nor will that drain time be an accurate reading of actual charges coming from the ground.Only Rick's battery does not drain. But, it does drain, and needs rotation untii both batteries are dead.
And will need his special and probably expensive charger to bring those two dead batteries back to life again.So there you have it, in a nutshell.   Resonance can improve efficiency, but by itself has not been shown to self run any device,  that can replicated, and verified, as yet.
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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #97 on: July 18, 2019, 08:44:37 PM »
Hi AG. I make no claims about OU there. I have experimented with this sort of thing
in the past. No luck on my part so far. It is not so different in general than one of Nelson's previous arrangements, I think. 
As claimed, charge is 'pumped' from the earth and accelerated through the windings of the output
transformer primary winding. The secondary of the output transformer connects back to the supply battery
via the FWBR.
I have played with a circuit like Nelsons it's the pancake coil that does some thing special if you feed it with a 50/50 square wave it excelorates a high voltage like no other circuit I have ever seen over 600 volts is easy to rase so quickly it would instantaneously charge more or less charge that 3uf in no time at all.

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #98 on: July 18, 2019, 08:45:46 PM »
My Slayer is only powered by 5 volt nimhs.

Hi a.king. So you have a circuit setup which is different in some ways than the schematic you posted,
but you want people to spend time testing and sharing their circuit setup details and results with you?
That doesn't seem right. :)


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« Reply #98 on: July 18, 2019, 08:45:46 PM »
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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #99 on: July 18, 2019, 08:49:29 PM »
   Void:   So other than battery run times, there is no way to know and measure if there is current coming from the ground, or even how much "gain" comes from the earth ground line. As there are no batteries that don't drain after a while. Nor will that drain time be an accurate reading of actual charges coming from the ground.Only Rick's battery does not drain. But, it does drain, and needs rotation untii both batteries are dead.
And will need his special and probably expensive charger to bring those two dead batteries back to life again.So there you have it, in a nutshell.

Hi Nick, Well, you could use a current probe on the earth ground wire, but you are going
to see an AC current which doesn't tell you anything about 'OU' or not.
You could try powering the circuit with a super cap bank, if you have some which aren't too leaky.

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #100 on: July 18, 2019, 08:58:50 PM »
Hi a.king. So you have a circuit setup which is different in some ways than the schematic you posted,
but you want people to spend time testing and sharing their circuit setup details and results with you?
That doesn't seem right. :)
Under normal circumstances you are correct.  however the design was replicated by the Ukrainian Agricultural institute under phd examination conditions.  They concluded extra energy was entering the circuit.  I have explained how.
I have also given you the Benitez link to study if you wish.

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #101 on: July 18, 2019, 09:03:49 PM »
What you have to also remember is that it is the theme we are looking at, not the precise parts or circuit diagrams. I used the Ukrainian circuit because it was easy to understand and easy to give people a schematic which they were asking for.

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #102 on: July 18, 2019, 09:04:12 PM »
I think there are too many people keeping secrets out there. 
The lure of money. :) Not that I think most really do have anything unusual.

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #103 on: July 18, 2019, 09:07:37 PM »
For anyone who is inclined to experiment with this type of setup,
you would do well to understand and keep in mind battery discharge curves and
the effects of high frequency circuits on multimeter readings which I outlined
in my previous comment here:
https://overunity.com/18282/a-king-21-build-discussion-investigation/msg536958/#msg536958


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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #104 on: July 18, 2019, 09:09:44 PM »

   "Build it and they will come"
   Who the ET's?

 

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