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TinselKoala

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2019, 05:30:18 PM »
And you will note that my build corresponds exactly to the diagram or can be easily configured for any of the Figs 2-6 in your pdf.

And over a million cycles per second! Wow! That was incredible and amazing in Benitez's time... but today it is child's play and the behaviour of circuits in the single digit MHz range, with operating voltages under 20 kV.... childs play and pretty well understood by everybody going all the way back past Marconi to Tesla himself.
I can't currently find a scope trace from this project but as I recall my unit was operating in the range of 1.1 -1.8 MHz or so. It's on the top of the junkpile and I've just about finished reinstalling the rack&pinion unit in my car, so maybe if you are nice to me I'll fire it up and do some interactive experimentation. Maybe. If you are nice.

Here are a few more pix.


a.king21

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2019, 05:42:39 PM »
TK,  as I said in a previous post on another thread, there are enough brains here to sort this stuff out if we co-operate. I for one DO appreciate your building ability and Yes I do think the earth engine is a scam to get investors. But I also think that Rick Friedrich is a huge asset if we can all co-operate and start building.


The Uke device works better in the day than at night as I have proved to myself thereby verifying Don Smith.
ALso there is a way to loop it but it is only the first of 2 stages.  I would really appreciate a phase lock loop Slayer coil schematic. Or even better a crystal controlled Slayer circuit. Slayer because it is the least harmful of the Tesla type coils (unless you know of one with even less emissions.)

ramset

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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2019, 06:19:01 PM »
Racks bite ....
A pain in the pants...
I hope things stay extra nice......
Plenty here would love to see you play that UKE




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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2019, 06:39:35 PM »
The Uke device works better in the day than at night as I have proved to myself thereby verifying Don Smith.
ALso there is a way to loop it but it is only the first of 2 stages.  I would really appreciate a phase lock loop Slayer coil schematic. Or even better a crystal controlled Slayer circuit. Slayer because it is the least harmful of the Tesla type coils (unless you know of one with even less emissions.)

Hi a.king. Any coil-based or other device that produces high voltage spikes or even
clean HV sinewaves typically produces a lot of problematic emissions which can produce major havoc
with digital based equipment, which includes most electronics and equipment these days. :)

That is interesting about you appearing to see a difference in performance between day and night,
but that is not necessarily a verification of Don Smith, but it might relate to something Don Smith has
talked about. From what I recall, the 'Don Smith Effect' document was not a document created by Don Smith, but
by a forum member who said he created that document based on his understanding of some things
Don Smith has said, and I don't recall Don Smith himself ever presenting something exactly like what is depicted in that
Don Smith Effect document, but he may have somewhere that I didn't run across in my investigations of Don Smith's
material and his old forum postings in the past.

I have experimented with that so-called Don Smith Effect a fair bit, and could not replicate such an effect,
and I am not sure how the circuit posted above relates to this claimed effect, but I will take a closer look when I have a chance.
My results with testing the Don Smith Effect as it was depicted and described in the document were
negative so far. That doesn't mean that there isn't some very important detail or details missing there however, as may possibly
be the case with various other Don Smith devices. It is possible, as Don Smith pointed out clearly in one video made of
him, that the exact geographical location is very important if a person wants to have a chance of replicating a Don Smith setup
which relies on an earth ground to produce the COP > 1 effect.


AlienGrey

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2019, 07:00:19 PM »
What is DSE  not display Screen equipment or perhaps Don Smith Effect?

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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2019, 07:07:12 PM »
Hi a.king. Any coil-based or other device that produces high voltage spikes or even
clean HV sinewaves typically produces a lot of problematic emissions which can produce major havoc
with digital based equipment, which includes most electronics and equipment these days. :)

That is interesting about you appearing to see a difference in performance between day and night,
but that is not necessarily a verification of Don Smith, but it might relate to something Don Smith has
talked about. From what I recall, the 'Don Smith Effect' document was not a document created by Don Smith, but
by a forum member who said he created that document based on his understanding of some things
Don Smith has said, and I don't recall Don Smith himself ever presenting something exactly like what is depicted in that
Don Smith Effect document, but he may have somewhere that I didn't run across in my investigations of Don Smith's
material and his old forum postings in the past.

I have experimented with that so-called Don Smith Effect a fair bit, and could not replicate such an effect,
and I am not sure how the circuit posted above relates to this claimed effect, but I will take a closer look when I have a chance.
My results with testing the Don Smith Effect as it was depicted and described in the document were
negative so far. That doesn't mean that there isn't some very important detail or details missing there however, as may possibly
be the case with various other Don Smith devices. It is possible, as Don Smith pointed out clearly in one video made of
him, that the exact geographical location is very important if a person wants to have a chance of replicating a Don Smith setup
which relies on an earth ground to produce the COP > 1 effect.
Hi mr Void So what did you use for a SG and generate the ramp timing ??

TinselKoala

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2019, 07:13:29 PM »
Racks bite ....
A pain in the pants...
I hope things stay extra nice......
Plenty here would love to see you play that UKE
Yep.
But it's all done and dusted now, officially back on the road after two full days of work and no help.


AlienGrey

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2019, 07:15:38 PM »
TK,  as I said in a previous post on another thread, there are enough brains here to sort this stuff out if we co-operate. I for one DO appreciate your building ability and Yes I do think the earth engine is a scam to get investors. But I also think that Rick Friedrich is a huge asset if we can all co-operate and start building.


The Uke device works better in the day than at night as I have proved to myself thereby verifying Don Smith.
ALso there is a way to loop it but it is only the first of 2 stages.  I would really appreciate a phase lock loop Slayer coil schematic. Or even better a crystal controlled Slayer circuit. Slayer because it is the least harmful of the Tesla type coils (unless you know of one with even less emissions.)
A line output transmuglifier LOPT? ;D

TinselKoala

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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2019, 07:16:29 PM »
Oh, I knew I had a video somewhere. Just took a while to find it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cv4XF4FV6w
Be sure to read the Description.





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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2019, 07:18:55 PM »
Yeash a dreaded job and can be very dangerous to do
especially on flat ground or should I say without a
 Proffessional car lift
Makes it much harder
glad you’re safely through that




TinselKoala

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« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2019, 07:25:00 PM »
There are at least a couple of ways to use a PLL in this application. One would be to emulate crystal frequency lock-in so the device would only operate at that single frequency. I don't know what use that would be, as resonance frequency of a helical resonator depends rather strongly on the environment. So a better use of the PLL would be to keep the system in resonance by changing frequency as required. But the plain old Slayer/Kacher circuit already does this! 

As we have noted though, the base drive of the Slayer circuit is relatively sinusoidal and so does not result in the maximum dv/dt that one might like. I've considered putting in a Schmitt trigger between the Slayer feedback connection and the transistor base. Also a carefully chosen mosfet would probably be good there. So pretty soon we are evolving towards a real SSTC....
But I think a real Tesla disruptive discharge system is probably to be avoided here. Because you will get this kind of stuff happening from all metal in the vicinity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZClhoU2Xk
Of course Master Ivo's DD system probably won't do that.  ;)

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« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2019, 10:02:19 PM »
There are at least a couple of ways to use a PLL in this application. One would be to emulate crystal frequency lock-in so the device would only operate at that single frequency. I don't know what use that would be, as resonance frequency of a helical resonator depends rather strongly on the environment. So a better use of the PLL would be to keep the system in resonance by changing frequency as required. But the plain old Slayer/Kacher circuit already does this! 

As we have noted though, the base drive of the Slayer circuit is relatively sinusoidal and so does not result in the maximum dv/dt that one might like. I've considered putting in a Schmitt trigger between the Slayer feedback connection and the transistor base. Also a carefully chosen mosfet would probably be good there. So pretty soon we are evolving towards a real SSTC....
But I think a real Tesla disruptive discharge system is probably to be avoided here. Because you will get this kind of stuff happening from all metal in the vicinity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZClhoU2Xk
Of course Master Ivo's DD system probably won't do that.  ;)
No you mean Nelsons device he shared with Master ivo notice the way the circuit works as well below zero. and the bifilar caduceus /pancake wind of the bemf collect coil.
Back to you Mr Tinsel K

TinselKoala

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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2019, 10:20:41 PM »
Oh, no, no no,  I wouldn't dream of getting in between you, Rocha and Master Ivo. So y'all just go right on ahead, and when you get OU.... let me know.


Of course I mean this kind of OU : Joules in < Joules out.  Your mileage may vary.    8)

a.king21

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2019, 11:07:20 PM »
There are at least a couple of ways to use a PLL in this application. One would be to emulate crystal frequency lock-in so the device would only operate at that single frequency. I don't know what use that would be, as resonance frequency of a helical resonator depends rather strongly on the environment. So a better use of the PLL would be to keep the system in resonance by changing frequency as required. But the plain old Slayer/Kacher circuit already does this! 

As we have noted though, the base drive of the Slayer circuit is relatively sinusoidal and so does not result in the maximum dv/dt that one might like. I've considered putting in a Schmitt trigger between the Slayer feedback connection and the transistor base. Also a carefully chosen mosfet would probably be good there. So pretty soon we are evolving towards a real SSTC....
But I think a real Tesla disruptive discharge system is probably to be avoided here. Because you will get this kind of stuff happening from all metal in the vicinity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZClhoU2Xk
Of course Master Ivo's DD system probably won't do that.  ;)
My beef with the Slayer is that you get too much parasitic capacitance. I suppose the way to use it is to keep a distance from it or maybe isolate it in a faraday cage. That is why I thought that maybe pll ing it or getting a crystal circuit may be a reasonable compromise, (unless you are transmitting and receiving).

TinselKoala

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« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2019, 01:14:00 AM »
Well that's what you get with the E-field emitters. High frequency (in the Benitez-Tesla sense, single digit MHz ranges) + high voltage = capacitive coupling like crazy.
So my solution has been to go to lower frequency mostly EM coupling. Or, dare I mention it, hybrid devices with optimized geometry of transmitter-receiver pairs.

Here's me with a EM receiver antenna wrapped around my head, with an incandescent bulb powered wirelessly. 

Try that with a Slayer, or even RF's gatedriver coil setup. Or maybe you shouldn't, after all.