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Author Topic: Magnets, motion and measurement  (Read 42162 times)

Offline citfta

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #255 on: July 12, 2019, 03:31:37 AM »
Hi Guys,

Thanks for the nice comments.

Luman,  after reading your post I did try moving the shield magnet very slowly from between the opposing magnets.  And I did feel just the slightest bit of force at one point resisting the shield magnet from being removed.  At what I would consider normal speed of removing the shield I did not detect that.  I don't know if that can be removed completely by more careful adjustment or not.

telecom,  I do not have any way to measure the forces of movement right now.  I am going to be very busy for the next couple of weeks but when I can get back to this I will see what I can come up with to do that.  With these small ceramic magnets the forces will only be in ounces I am sure.  So it will take a small spring scale of some kind.

Later,
Carroll

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #255 on: July 12, 2019, 03:31:37 AM »

Offline norman6538

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #256 on: July 12, 2019, 02:25:31 PM »
About measurement. I do not like  measuring instruments so I always use weights
times distance. I use washers or nuts so I can easily add or mix them.  I then drop the
ounces or pounds and call them units of work ie. 1 oz. x 1/8 in I call 1 unit of work etc.

My first OU
showed equal weights moving a greater distance giving 180% but this was not the
Floor setup. There is a little loss in inertia staring but if you use 2 weights. 1 to get
started and then caught by a floor and the other to carry through you can get an
accurate measurement.
Best of Luck. I expect my next device to be made and tested within a week.
We had International guests all this week.

Norman

Offline Floor

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #257 on: July 13, 2019, 06:02:58 PM »
Hi Carroll,
can you make some basic measurement of the forces x distance?
I like how you make them moving synchronously with the roller.

Hi Telecom

This video  https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gzr2q   doesn't give measurements,
but it does demonstrate the threshold sensitivity of the test bed shown (mine). 

From this video   https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6va1an   ......
one can see that the force to install the sheild magnet is about as small as is
the lower limit of the test bed's sensitivity  (in the range of about 4 grams).

The output magnets can produce a force which is in this range (see the graph) below.

regards
 floor


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #257 on: July 13, 2019, 06:02:58 PM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #258 on: July 13, 2019, 06:32:52 PM »
Also

The graph above is of the magnets, when facing each other on edge in repulsion.
Forces are MUCH  higher in direct pole to pole magnet orientations (Like CITFTA demo).

and for some reason the graph I just posted shows the force to distance
curve inversely ......  I just grabbed (semi randomly) a graph off my hard drive
(from the Twist drive topic).

So I hope you can see why it is that for all of the effort of doing measurements,
it seems a mute proposition to do so, once one has in hand experienced, the very large
difference between force needed to intsall or remove a shield and ...
the difference in the force between  the output magnets when a shield has been
removed or installed.   

    regards
           floor

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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #259 on: July 13, 2019, 06:53:12 PM »
           ALSO   ALSO

Thanks for the updates / videos Tinman

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRmbekUqJcs

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhyfD1GiCXU

I think I see your design / intent,  good luck with it.

Note:  Undesired up and down forces (luc's force) will be high, especially with the leverage
factor present as the radius of the gears.

  floor

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« Reply #259 on: July 13, 2019, 06:53:12 PM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #260 on: July 14, 2019, 03:33:30 AM »
Notes to Tinman's design :

1. The design Tinman is currently presenting, is a design variation
of one presented by user LowQ / Vidar.

2. I think that the device will stall.

3. The shielding magnet array needs to be designed such that it
can be held to a sliding motion which is precisely along a vector, which is
90 degrees to a line which is directly between the centers of rotation of the two gears.
That vector must also be parallel to the plane of rotation of the rotating magnets.

4. That sliding vector must also be centered with the rotating magnets in terms of up and down.
( by up and down I mean, parallel to the axis of rotation of the rotating magnets)
 
5. The first implementation of it should have only 2 magnets on each gear, 4 total.
You can always add the rest of them later.

6. The 2 magnets should be space at 180 degrees around the gear.

7.  Gear on left is rotating cw gear on right is rotating ccw.
The shielding magnet /s will need to be pulled back, just AFTER top, dead, center
position of the two repelling / rotating magnets is reached.  Other wise the device will stall.

8. The shielding magnet /s will need to be returned to their original position well before
the next set of magnets arrive at top, dead, center.  This is why to use only 2 magnets per
gear initially.

9. Unlike the (classic design /  fail)  rotating V gate with bouncing sticky spot avoidance,
Vidar's / your design will produce energy / can self run.  But only by a reciprocating motion
of the shield.  In my humble opinion.

Vidar's design has elements of the newton's magnet design, but is more like this design
below "rackAction2.PDF" attached below.

   Again best wishes and keep up the good work !
         floor

 

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