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nix85

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KUNEL device
« on: July 06, 2019, 07:10:35 AM »
Steve's Mark's TPU, SmartPAK KPOD, Theodore Annis & Patrick Eberly's device and others...

All use the similar principle as Kunel, break the flux and collect the excess energy.

Some believe Kunel did not say full truth in his patent, but they say the same for Don Smith and others, maybe these are just excuses for failed replications.

So, has anyone successfully replicated Kunel?

nix85

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2019, 07:24:54 AM »
One thing that does not make sense in Kunel's patent is that output is pulsed DC.

It is basically a transformer, i see no way how output could be pulsed DC unless rectified.

WhatIsIt

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2019, 11:05:59 AM »
Some believe Kunel did not say full truth in his patent.

Most of the inventors does not reveal truth in theirs patents. If there is no other source of information like videos or successful replication it is very hard or impossible to grasp the real concept. And without understanding of real concept any replication will probably fail. 

lancaIV

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2019, 11:10:22 AM »
It is a transformer with 10 Ampere-coils as secondaries = factor input/output 10                       

                                          20.                                                                                            20
Wattpeak-amplifier does not mean Wattaverage amplifier  !
I wished 2004 to replicate it but let it. !

Probably for your interest : B1= 1977  french patent office granted = technical details and process accepted

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=8&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19761217&CC=FR&NR=2312135A1&KC=A1#

Sincerely
OCWL

nix85

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2019, 11:12:16 AM »
Most of the inventors does not reveal truth in theirs patents. If there is no other source of information like videos or successful replication it is very hard or impossible to grasp the real concept. And without understanding of real concept any replication will probably fail.

"Most of the inventors does not reveal truth in theirs patents." that's your ASSUMPTION.

Even if some patents like this do hide some detail, they tell enough for someone who understands that magnetic field is a source of energy, to make it work.

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2019, 11:21:36 AM »
OK, fair enough. By looking at Kunel patent, what you propose to do?
Do you see anything out of ordinary?

You started this thread, probably having some idea.

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2019, 11:29:05 AM »
To understand the internal process from the Kunel static transformer study his rotative analog device :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820819&CC=DE&NR=3101918A1&KC=A1#
look in " mosaics" for the energy flow diagramm and the description to this

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2019, 11:32:32 AM »
From my experience, using magnet is like using spring.
How much power you push in it , it will return same or less.
So , magnet only will not hold the water.
Something is missing.

nix85

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2019, 11:35:30 AM »
OK, fair enough. By looking at Kunel patent, what you propose to do?
Do you see anything out of ordinary?

You started this thread, probably having some idea.

You might wanna read this  for some inspiration. https://www.tedmagnetics.com/

It is impossible to stress enough PMs are source of energy which many here still doubt.

How we extract the energy? Clearly, there are many ways, but we see a common details.

Like we always find the use of square waves to interupt the PM, often pulsed DC but not necessarily, sharp rising edges.

Interupters field must be strong enough to completely neutralize the PM flux into the core.

This is were replicators often fail, maybe they don't have a gaussmeter, maybe they did not learn how to produce the max B in the center of the coil.

Whether you go with airgap or not, whether you place interupter on the PM itself, over airgap, or on soft iron.

Many parameters that need testing, not theorizing.


nix85

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2019, 11:38:30 AM »
To understand the internal process from the Kunel static transformer study his rotative analog device :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820819&CC=DE&NR=3101918A1&KC=A1#
look in " mosaics" for the energy flow diagramm and the description to this

Are you kidding. I have that patent for long time and read it number of times.

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2019, 11:39:33 AM »
From my experience, using magnet is like using spring.
How much power you push in it , it will return same or less.
So , magnet only will not hold the water.
Something is missing.
A Mister WilliamThompson,  also known  as Lord Kelvin, would partially agree to your mind .
But he defined capacitor/spring analogon estate.
What differs a permanent magnet from a capacitor( wider from electret,magnetret)

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2019, 11:40:16 AM »
To understand the internal process from the Kunel static transformer study his rotative analog device :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820819&CC=DE&NR=3101918A1&KC=A1#
look in " mosaics" for the energy flow diagramm and the description to this

Thanks lancaIV,

At first I was thinking that you and your mind are separate entities.
But now, I realized that you are pointing to right things.
Like our small Wikipedia.
I started to read your links and most of the time you are pointing to right direction.
So, it is useful to have you around.

Thanks!

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2019, 11:43:20 AM »
LancaIV,

you are good at finding facts!
Can you find if someone get even close to solution of Kundel patent.
Can you do this for me? And for Nix85?

Please. No joke!

nix85

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2019, 11:45:00 AM »
Don't forget about Silverhealtheu.

From Patrick J. Kelly's PDF


"Silverhealtheu. One of the EVGRAY yahoo forum members whose ID is
‘silverhealtheu’ has described a simple device which appears to be not unlike
the Richard Willis generator above.
The device consists of an iron bar one inch (25 mm) in diameter and one foot
(300 mm) long. At one end, there is a stack of five neodymium magnets and at
the opposite end, a single neodymium magnet. At the end with the five
magnets, there is a coil of wire which is strongly pulsed by a drive circuit. Down
the length of the bar, a series of pick-up coils are positioned. Each of these coils
picks up the same level of power that is fed to the pulsing coil and the
combined output is said to exceed the input power."

Interesting that pick-up coils are the same size as interupter.
It probably does not have to be that way.

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2019, 11:51:53 AM »
From my experience, using magnet is like using spring.
How much power you push in it , it will return same or less.
So , magnet only will not hold the water.
Something is missing.
Hi,
I agree with you, that is a general conclusion for many magnetic setups, I have also found less output than input.   
However, there can be some other setups where that is not the case. 

Member Floor has been showing setups you may find interesting :
https://overunity.com/18137/newtons-magnets/msg530970/#msg530970 

Gyula