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Offline WhatIsIt

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2019, 11:54:23 AM »
What differs a permanent magnet from a capacitor( wider from electret,magnetret)

LancaIV,

What is on your mind? Using capacitor discharge for electromagnet or something else?
Looking at Kunel drawing, what is your vision to replace magnet with cap or something what cap can do?

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2019, 11:57:02 AM »
I see skeptics proliferate here. Thankfully reality does not believe in your skepticism.

Muammer Yildiz is about to give 72h Live Stream Demonstration in Italy as we speak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yf6GyamSKw

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2019, 12:03:53 PM »
Each of these coils picks up the same level of power that is fed to the pulsing coil and the
combined output is said to exceed the input power."

Are you sure that all the picking coils are receiving same amount of power?

I am pretty sure that power will split to number of picking coils!
In that patent there is something missing, which inventor hides.
It is on you to point where it will be and how?

That is the hardest part, to find what inventor hides.

And LancaIV, if you find anything, please post!

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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2019, 12:03:53 PM »
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Offline nix85

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2019, 12:07:51 PM »
Are you sure that all the picking coils are receiving same amount of power?

I am pretty sure that power will split to number of picking coils!
In that patent there is something missing, which inventor hides.
It is on you to point where it will be and how?

That is the hardest part, to find what inventor hides.

And LancaIV, if you find anything, please post!

This comes down to simple question, is Kunel right that flux at the opposite end of iron rod is more less the same as at the end near the PM.

If so, all pick up coils see same flux and same change of flux, and thus energy is multiplied.

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2019, 12:10:26 PM »
Muammer Yildiz

I am not sceptic, on the contrary, I believe in FE, but Muammer Yildiz has nothing to do with Kunel.
Muammer Yildiz is all magnets.
Kunel is combination of magnet and electromagnet (inductance).

You started this thread, you lead, you must have some idea?

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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2019, 12:10:26 PM »
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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2019, 12:12:41 PM »
I am not sceptic, on the contrary, I believe in FE, but Muammer Yildiz has nothing to do with Kunel.
Muammer Yildiz is all magnets.
Kunel is combination of magnet and electromagnet (inductance).

You started this thread, you lead, you must have some idea?

Not so, i bring Muammer Yildiz up only to make a point that magnets are not source of force but source of power.

How you extract it, mechanicaly or solid state is up to you.

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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2019, 12:15:29 PM »
Are you kidding. I have that patent for long time and read it number of times.

Beginning small :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=DE&NR=3101918A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19820819&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#

"Mosaics" : figure 6 and 7 and the description

A researcher does not only read he/she/( it ,3rd sexus) is pointing out details. !

                       Texte analysis ( with paper/note-book and different colors pencils beside !)

And comparing especially eventual given formulas of force conversion  !

Have you also analyzed the bolivian inventor Subietta-Garron device, the Flynn brothers actuators, the Keiichiro Asaoka static amplifier  ?
Their cited and citing documents.  in their granted patents or " only" patent applications ?
Kunel figure 6,7

and https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19831209&CC=FR&NR=2528257A1&KC=A1#

or https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=6&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=ES&NR=2265253A1&KC=A1#

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2019, 12:16:58 PM »
Hi nix85,

I do not know whether Silverhealtheu actually built the device and what output he got. And whatever working principle is involved, one thing is sure: the output should be created by changing magnetic flux in the iron bar.

I see problem in using solid iron whenever magnetic induction is involved: eddy current losses can totally ruin any expected gain if there is any.  For anyone attempting a replication for this device, the good choice would be ferrite rod or metglas rod. Laminated I core of a normal mains transformer may also be good but the direction of  magnetization for the laminations should be considered.

Gyula

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2019, 12:19:01 PM »
Many have tried to extract from magnet, but in return they all end up with close to same or less.

If you have something new on mind, please elaborate.
Something important is missing in that and many others patents.

I am not here to oppose you! I am trying to understand just as you do!

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2019, 12:19:01 PM »
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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2019, 12:20:04 PM »
Hi nix85,

I do not know whether Silverhealtheu actually built the device and what output he got. And whatever working principle is involved, one thing is sure: the output should be created by changing magnetic flux in the iron bar.

I see problem in using solid iron whenever magnetic induction is involved: eddy current losses can totally ruinany expected gain if there is any.  For anyone attempting a replication for this device, the good choice would be ferrite rod or metglas rod. Laminated I core of a normal mains transformer may also be good but the direction of  magnetization for the laminations should be considered.

Gyula
How are " Eddy currents" calculated. ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=17&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19860717&CC=DE&NR=3501076A1&KC=A1#

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2019, 12:20:31 PM »
Beginning small :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=DE&NR=3101918A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19820819&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
"Mosaics" : figure 6 and 7 and the description
A researcher does not only read he/she/( it ,3rd sexus) is pointing out details. !

                       Texte analysis ( with paper/note-book and different colors pencils beside !)

And comparing especially eventual given formulas of force conversion  !

Have you also analyzed the bolivian inventor Subietta-Garron device, the Flynn brothers actuators, the Keiichiro Asaoka static amplifier  ?
Their cited and citing documents.  in their granted patents or " only" patent applications ?

I am pointing out details, haven't you been reading my posts. I already addressed a number of key details.

As for invetors you noted, i only researched Flynn, but there are dozens of similar inventors i did research and it all comes down to more less same principle, altho execution methods vary.

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2019, 12:22:31 PM »
Thanks Gyula!

Lets not be brake for Nix85, Lets support him. New ideas are welcome!

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2019, 12:24:39 PM »
LancaIV,

Focus!

Is there any replications or close replications of Kundel?
Please, do what you are best! Find!

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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2019, 12:25:49 PM »
Here's one example of Flynn's permanent magnet control patent.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US5254925

Spiral shaped iron rotor will always rotate until it's closest to the PM, this is 90% or rotational cycle.

At the moment it wants to stick coil around PM is strongly pulsed to neutralize the attraction, rotation cycle continues with big energy gain.

Nice principle, but solid state is more elegant afterall.

BTW i made a replica of Thomas Engel's PM motor and saw definite energy gain, years of work went into it, but system is bulky, noisy so i abandoned it.


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Re: KUNEL device
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2019, 12:30:43 PM »
Here's one example of Flynn's permanent magnet control patent.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US5254925

Spiral shaped iron rotor will always rotate until it's closest to the PM, this is 90% or rotational cycle.

At the moment it wants to stick coil around PM is strongly pulsed to neutralize the attraction, rotation cycle continues with big energy gain.

Nice principle, but solid state is more elegant afterall.

BTW i made a replica of Thomas Engel's PM motor and saw definity energy gain, years of work went into it, but system is bulky, noisy so i abandoned it.

OK.
Do you have any proposal in mind?
How will you made it?

 

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