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Title: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ChileanOne on July 03, 2019, 11:39:45 PM
After looking if this has been posted before and not finding a mention of it in Overunity.com, I present you with the following important news regarding the ongoing struggle for proving LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reaction, which was once erroneously called Cold Fusion) from Dr. Tadahiko Mizuno who recently published the preprints for his upcoming participation in 22nd International Conference for Condensed Matter Nuclear Science (ICCF 22), co authored with Jed Rothwell, and which was published online with the express intention of the authors of provide as much as detailed information about the experimental set up, methods of preparation, calibration and measurements, as possible, to enable replication and independent confirmation of these results, something unheard of in this field of research, specially for results of this high level of excess heat, which has been for years stuck at the level of 3 (not counting unverifiable claims from commercial companies that publish a lot of results but always keep a part of the recipe secret).
The detailed paper can be read here: 

https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTincreasede.pdf (http://ICCF22 Paper (ongoing updates))
However, the authors recommend strongly to read the precursor work published in ICCF 21 because the methods and set up is mostly the same and only the reactor configuration changed slightly for obtaining the later, strikingly important, results.
https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTexcessheata.pdf (http://ICCF 21 paper)
Highlights:
With an input power of 50W electric for the heating element, the reactor puts out 300 watts of thermal power.
With an imput power of 300W electric for the heating element, the reactor puts out +3000 watts of thermal power (estimated based on surface and room temperature increases, as their air flow calorimeter can only handle up to 1000 watts thermal output).
At that high thermal output, it was rapidly adopted as a room heater for the harsh Sapporo winter in Dr. Mizuno's home.
https://www.lenr-forum.com/attachment/8710-pasted-from-clipboard-png/ (http:// Excess heat graph)
As the publication has garnered a lot of interest within the LENR community and many have perused all details and a heated debate of the results has been ongoing, already a supplementary article with more details has been published (along with several updates and clarifications to the paper in the first link posted) all made in the spirit of providing the most accurate possible depiction of how the results were obtained to encourage replication by as many people as possible around the world.

https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTsupplement.pdf (http://Mizuno supplement paper)
For anyone interested it must be said the replication, even if the setup is remarkably simple for an LENR experiment, is not trivial and an accurate replication will probably require to spend a good sum (US$ 3000?) due to the nature of the experiment and measurements required. However, the Nickel mesh burnished with palladium is going to be available from Dr. Mizuno himself, and you can enquire and coordinate for obtaining it here: https://e-catworld.com/2019/06/22/question-for-replicators-anyone-interested-in-testing-mizuno-nickel-meshes/ (http://Mizuno Nickel Meshes query)
If you like to join the discussion and interact directly with Jed Rothwell you can sig up to LERN-Forum and go to the Mizuno Excess Heat discussion thread here:
https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/6013-mizuno-reports-increased-excess-heat/ (https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/6013-mizuno-reports-increased-excess-heat/)
or join the "Mizuno Replication and Materials Only" thread there, here:

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/6017-mizuno-replication-and-materials-only/ (https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/6017-mizuno-replication-and-materials-only/)
Hope you find this information encouraging, I invite your comments and hopefully you get interested in starting a replication on your own.



Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ChileanOne on August 04, 2019, 04:20:28 AM
Deneum Technology, an exotic energy start up with labs in Estonia, is the first public attempt to replicate Mizuno’s R20 reactor. They have already published a video of their setup and will be running their experiment through next week.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWZ-uXQTF_s (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWZ-uXQTF_s)




Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ramset on August 04, 2019, 01:34:12 PM
Thank you soo much for starting this Topic !!Was aware of the claim recently ,and now some fun !..we have open source members that are very excited about LENR and can experiment,
will be sure to pass this along . thx Chet
your link again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWZ-uXQTF_s (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWZ-uXQTF_s)
PS  This link where materials can be accessed was not opening for me? [in NE USA]
 snip// mesh burnished with palladium is going to be available from Dr. Mizuno himself, and you can enquire and coordinate for obtaining it here:  here the link should be copied but it shows blankIf you like to join the discussion and interact directly with Jed Rothwell you can sig up to LERN-Forum and go to the Mizuno Excess Heat discussion thread 
Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: lancaIV on August 04, 2019, 02:14:53 PM
https://www.resoheat.com/ (https://www.resoheat.com/)

C. O. P.: 5 claimed
 without Palladium or LENR
( probably some do remember : the claim and the fallacy : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson_power_cell (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson_power_cell) )

C. O. P.. ?
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11451 (https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11451)
By the same:
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11462 (https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11462)
The resoheat motor equipped with the Russian "magneto"- power amplifier. ?

resoheat 150 sqm house example : from 25000 KWh to 5000 KWh using Mizuno/resoheat !
                    5000 KWh Electric Energy to german e-grid Primary Energy(Factor 1,8) : 9000 KWh PE         

                   9000 KWh PE /150 sqm = 60 KWh PE /sqm
                   compared
                   2020 : E.U. Nearly Zero Energy( new) Building consumption standart : 30 KWh PE
                                       Passive solar house energy consumption standart 15 KWh PE / sqm

                    60 KWh PE /sqm divided by "power amplifier" factor 5( Tanaka Saburo)
             
                                                                          or factor 10 ( " magneto/ Dr.Imris)     
       
                    means 12 KWh PE( T.Saburo) down to 6 KWh PE ( "magneto/Dr.Imris) primary energy

                   per squaremeter           
                     and annum : electro-technical "Active Solar Energy Standart"
Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ChileanOne on August 04, 2019, 03:01:35 PM
Thank you soo much for starting this Topic !!Was aware of the claim recently ,and now some fun !..we have open source members that are very excited about LENR and can experiment,
will be sure to pass this along . thx Chet
your link again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWZ-uXQTF_s (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWZ-uXQTF_s)
PS  This link where materials can be accessed was not opening for me? [in NE USA]
 snip// mesh burnished with palladium is going to be available from Dr. Mizuno himself, and you can enquire and coordinate for obtaining it here:  here the link should be copied but it shows blankIf you like to join the discussion and interact directly with Jed Rothwell you can sig up to LERN-Forum and go to the Mizuno Excess Heat discussion thread


The link for the survey of people that were serious about getting prepared meshes by Dr. Mizuno is already dead, it was a short term query. You can still try to reach Bob Greenyer through the contact form at www.quantumheat.org and see if there’s room for more people, he was coordinating the effort. The price of the 3 sheets was set at US$ 400 plus shipping, as it was intended to help somewhat Dr. Mizuno’s delicate financial situation.



Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ChileanOne on August 04, 2019, 03:10:04 PM
https://www.resoheat.com/ (https://www.resoheat.com/)

C. O. P.: 5 claimed
 without Palladium or LENR
( probably some do remember : the claim and the fallacy : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson_power_cell (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson_power_cell) )

C. O. P.. ?
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11451 (https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11451)
By the same:
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11462 (https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11462)
The resoheat motor equipped with the Russian "magneto"- power amplifier. ?

resoheat 150 sqm house example : from 25000 KWh to 5000 KWh using Mizuno/resoheat !
                    5000 KWh Electric Energy to german e-grid Primary Energy(Factor 1,8) : 9000 KWh PE         

                   9000 KWh PE /150 sqm = 60 KWh PE /sqm
                   compared
                   2020 : E.U. Nearly Zero Energy( new) Building consumption standart : 30 KWh PE


                    60 KWh PE /sqm divided by "power amplifier" factor 5( Tanaka Saburo)
             
                                                                          or factor 10 ( " magneto/ Dr.Imris)     
       
                    means 12 KWh PE( T.Saburo) down to 6 KWh PE ( "magneto/Dr.Imris) primary energy

                   per squaremeter           
                     and annum : electro-technical "Active Solar Energy Standart"


Yes we all know that, But this is the first time Ever a researcher in the LENR field publishes a paper with the express and stated purpose of letting anyone who wants to try and replicate the experiment, giving all the details as best as they can (co author Jed Rothwell says he tried to make it as easy to read as possible, inspired in common appliances manuals like if this was a microwave oven or so). They are inviting people to replicate and Jed is available to answer questions directly or passing them to Dr. Mizuno if he can’t answer directly. This is a first in the LENR scenario AFAIK.
Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: lancaIV on August 04, 2019, 03:24:32 PM
https://www.hydrodynamics.com/ (https://www.hydrodynamics.com/) 100% eff.+ device
You all know this !
But by calculation you also know that to reach the Kyoto 1990 contracted - 80% GHG-emission reduction untill 2050 it is  not possible with low C.O.P. 5 devices ( standart 1990 : ground water heat pump).
In real the private household GHG-emission increased since 1990 !
The industrial GHG-emission from G7 estates only "outsourced" to emerging counties,mainly south-/east asia !

When I do an aluminium spoon into a water filled glas and catalyze this water : hydrogen/ oxygen bubbles ,which C.O.P. I get by this anti-oxidant process ?
Instead only aluminium Samuel Freedmans chemalloy ?
http://chemalloy.blogspot.com/2012/01/chemalloy-samuel-freedman.html?m=1 (http://chemalloy.blogspot.com/2012/01/chemalloy-samuel-freedman.html?m=1)
A million needles  " chemalloy" per sqcm surface?
This surface as shaft in a vacuum tube ?

Consume/ time process !
Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ChileanOne on August 04, 2019, 03:44:40 PM
https://www.hydrodynamics.com/ (https://www.hydrodynamics.com/) 100% eff.+ device
You all know this !
But by calculation you also know that to reach the Kyoto 1990 contracted - 80% GHG-emission reduction untill 2050 it is  not possible with low C.O.P. 5 devices ( standart 1990 : ground water heat pump).
In real the private household GHG-emission increased since 1990 !
The industrial GHG-emission from G7 estates only "outsourced" to emerging counties,mainly south-/east asia !

When I do an aluminium spoon into a water filled glas and catalyze this water : hydrogen/ oxygen bubbles ,which C.O.P. I get by this anti-oxifdant process ?
Instead only aluminium Samuel Freedmans chemalloy ?
Consume/ time process !


I think you are tossing links here. Hydrodynamics sent all its overunity claims through the window. It  is an efficient device but EarthTech buried the myth of it being overunity. I still think cavitation is important as a phenomena but not in the energy sense. Cavitation in aqueous media has been associated with transmutation and I bet hydrodynamics would find a lot of interesting stuff if they did experiments with that in mind, as has been done by Ryushin Ohmasa with his vibration system in aqueous solutions.


But returning to the topic of the thread, what it’s at stakes here is the acceptance of LENR by the mainstream, In LENR-forum we are also engaged in a direct discussion to decide what experiments will be performed by the same Google Sponsored team that already tried and failed to find excess heat (and got published in Nature). The Google sponsored team asked directly what is the experiment that, if performed independently, would remove the question mark about LENR for both the LENR-community and the mainstream. Mizuno’s work is at the top of the list at this moment.
Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ramset on August 04, 2019, 03:53:23 PM
 Thank you for the response and explanation .....To help Dr. MIzuno  as well the contact info for the original helper or coordinator .
It is  always nice to engage new people , especially people of like mind .
 looking forward to that !
Also  we have University contacts worldwide that we can perhaps excess materials independently
 Towards a replication here ...hosted at this  and other open source venues .


 With much gratitude and respect
Chet K
Ps
 Also love your comments on one of my favorite topics
cavitation .






Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ChileanOne on August 04, 2019, 06:00:40 PM
Thank you for the response and explanation .....To help Dr. MIzuno  as well the contact info for the original helper or coordinator .
It is  always nice to engage new people , especially people of like mind .
 looking forward to that !
Also  we have University contacts worldwide that we can perhaps excess materials independently
 Towards a replication here ...hosted at this  and other open source venues .


 With much gratitude and respect
Chet K
Ps
 Also love your comments on one of my favorite topics
cavitation .


 Much Thanks!!!


I posted the news of Mizuno here in hopes that people would be interested in the opportunity to have a
Detailed experiment to replicate and with the bonus offer that the author is totally willing to help others replicate. This, as I already said, is a first, and I would speculate also and historical opportunity.


At LENR-forum.org we have many of the long time famous names in LENR as members, as McKubre, Ed Storms, Francesco Celani, Jean Paul Biberian, Jed Rothwell, etc. But the admins there managed to directly engage with the Google sponsored research team. The admins are also in direct contact with Deneum Energy. So it’s a good place to go and share thoughts and learn from others and ask questions to Jed on replication.


In the case of cavitation, I am also really interested, mostly inspired by Ohmasa and his transmutation in aqueous media patent (transmutation that is enhanced by the presence of D2O and palladium plated vibration fins). Cavitation and transmutation go hand in hand. I intend to perform an analogue to Ohmasa’s work using cavitation, but as a first step I want to do a replication of a recent work by a Chinese team which achieved transmutation from K to Ca in aqueous media. They claim the transmutation is due to their mixture with hydride salts, but they employed ultrasonic stirring and I bet that they are overlooking that as the causating agent of the transmutation. The only reason I found about their work was due that I was googling for +ultrasound +transmutation in google scholar.
Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ramset on August 04, 2019, 06:29:47 PM
The Bug teaches us that he can slap a photon from orbit ...9000C +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=gMhjqbESIeY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=gMhjqbESIeY) I think we can do better...always have [in simple fashion manifest an LENR  / transmutation]

I think I read your contribution here somewhere on Ohmasa’s work[if not elsewhere ??can you post a link so as to not fill this thread too much ?[or please start a topic for open source experiments here [ which will be shared elsewhere too]
thanks Chet K
Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: lancaIV on August 04, 2019, 10:53:55 PM
From here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/6j1p79/japan_physicists_replicated_cold_fusion_with_100/
11 times more heat than input
https://www.freefromfuel.com/lenr
They claim : 20 Euros material experiment
Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ramset on August 06, 2019, 09:11:38 PM
Update https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRt3fa4lfU (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRt3fa4lfU)


Above forwarded from  Member  physicsprof


Chet K
Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ChileanOne on August 06, 2019, 10:10:01 PM
Update https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRt3fa4lfU (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRt3fa4lfU)


Above forwarded from  Member  physicsprof


Chet K
Thanks for posting it here, I was aware of this since it came out but this means nothing as the original work of Mizuno took weeks before the first excess heat begun to be measured. I also knew this morning, through the intense debate taking place in LENR-forum.org where Deneum and Jed Rothwell are taking part, that Deneum is not using a mass spectrometer to analyze the bake out gases, and they are not analyzing bake out gases at all, hence, as Jed Rothwell points out, they are working blind, and he stressed out weeks ago that attempting a replication, or an analogue, without at least a RGA, was pointless.
Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ramset on August 06, 2019, 10:15:15 PM
This may seem naïve
is there no way to collect emissions /swabs or what have you, after the hard vacuum is removed and submit for analysis ?



Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ChileanOne on August 06, 2019, 10:23:05 PM
This may seem naïve
is there no way to collect emissions /swabs or what have you, after the hard vacuum is removed and submit for analysis ?
Swabing for gases at so low pressures? I don't think so. This worked for Mizuno at very low pressures. It is one of the very surprizing things in his publication.
Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ramset on August 06, 2019, 10:33:27 PM
 I think you would be surprised at the things some of our members can do inside a vacuum chamber .....
However I’m sure many bright minds have wrestled with a solution.


I must admit I was unaware of that issue of no analysis ...  yes it is very surprising
I will ask a few who might have solutions .


 Respect fully
Chet K


Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ChileanOne on August 06, 2019, 10:49:53 PM
I think you would be surprised at the things some of our members can do inside a vacuum chamber .....
However I’m sure many bright minds have wrestled with a solution.


I must admit I was unaware of that issue of no analysis ...  yes it is very surprising
I will ask a few who might have solutions .


 Respect fully
Chet K
The point is that Mizuno stated clearly, and Jed Rothwell stressed it very strongly in the weeks since the paper was published, that atempting to replicate without the proper tools was going to be a waste of time. One of the tools specified was a mass spectrometer precisely to verify no outgassing of any kind kept happening, before starting with the experiment.
Deneum claims they did a bake out and the pressure remained steady, but Jed Rotwell insists without gas analysis one is working blind.
Title: Re: Tadahiko Mizuno LENR breakthrough COP of 5 and up to 10 Seeking Replication .
Post by: ChileanOne on August 06, 2019, 10:54:07 PM
You can see the debate is ongoing right at this moment. This screenshot just taken by me.