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Offline Grumpy

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Re: PULSERs ONLY
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2007, 09:03:39 PM »
I'm going to toss this out there and then run like hell.  (I will be deliberately vague, lest I taint the sudden burst of insite for other people.)

When electric potential (voltage) is initially applied to a conductor, the electrons have to align themselves to the polarity of this potential before they start to move and create a current.  The electron is not the only "thing" that aligns to this potential - the much heavier proton, being charged, also aligns to the potential.  I believe this is the link between all devices that exibit "anomolous energy manifestations".  The electron is interesting, but it can not match the power of it's big brother - the proton - with it's much larger mass.

This ties into NMR and to Dave Lowrance's work ( http://magnetism.fateback.com/index.htm ) and I believe that the true culprit behind the manifestation of RE is the proton.  Excitation of protons with impulses may not allow them to excite and return to their normal state.  hmm - proton has two spin states...yada yada...protons also have a spin magnetic moment...there's that 45 degree conical looking wierd-ass torsional crap again...argh!!!

this also ties into Erfinder's stuff that Otto mentioned - with paramagnetism and all that.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:gNkfqtbsSdAJ:hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/nmr.html+protons+potential+magnetic+field&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/spinrel.html#c1

Clear as mud - need to study this some more.

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« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2007, 05:41:11 AM »
Hi,

I'm back experimenting on the TPU. 

Thanks to all who keep working on it. 

For your enjoyment, I've attached a video clip of a blocking oscillator implemented with a 2 coil wound ferite.  (main and feedback coil)

Take a look and see what a magnet does to it.  Hopefully I'm posting in the right tread :)

EM

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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2007, 06:38:04 AM »
The squeeling sound....
Nice thanks  :)
Marco

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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2007, 03:42:07 PM »
Thank you marco, I'm glad you like it.

I thought about the effects I was observing (frequency shift) and I knew why one was happening but not the other.

What I mean is this.   

1) When the North face of the magnet faces down, the frequency increases significantly.

2) When the South face of the magnet faces down,  the frequency decreases a little bit, and if I approach the magnet any closer then it starts to increase.

I was puzzled by # 2,  why was it happening?   Then I realized the implications.

The missing piece was  the EARTH MAGNETIC FIELD.   It aligns the domains of the ferrite and fewer are involved in flipping with the oscillator.  So when the south pole faces down it cancels the magnetic field of the earth and we get the MOST DOMAINS TO PARTICIPATE.   When we have the most domains, that's when the coil has the highest inductance and hence the lowest frequency.

When the North face is down, then the ferrite alligns its magnetic domains even more and fewer are available.  In scientific terms we SATURATE  the ferrite.  When that happens the coils behave as if they don't even have a ferrite but an air core.  The inductance is small and the frequency high.  (inverse relationship)

Anyway,  its a good way to see that the earth magnetic field has some strength and affects electronics, but we don't notice it always.

EM

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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2007, 04:40:38 PM »
Thanks much EMDevices!  Nice "modulator" you got there.

Knew you could not stay away much longer...

What next? Saturable reactor pulse generator?


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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2007, 04:59:15 PM »
Thank you for video file.   :D

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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2007, 12:00:49 PM »
Hi EMdevices,
surely this is strange !
Normally a ferrite core of a coil should be saturated in both
directions, so itshould not matter, if you put the south or
noth pole onto the ferrite core...

Hmm, the only thing this could
probably be like it was shown, if you have  a DC current flow already superimposed inside the coil
at the working point ,
so the ferrite is itsself already a magnet and you just change only its BH curve
magnetisation level by aproaching the magnet.

What happens, if you use a very strong neodym magnet ?
Still the same or does the sticking of either pole onto the ferrite core
give then always a higher frequency ?

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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2007, 02:44:19 AM »
Hi Stefan,
 
The earth magnetic field already saturates the ferites somewhat, when no magnet is present.  Much like a DC current will.  But there is no DC current in the coil.  It's only the earth's magnetic field that biases the ferite.

So the small magnet when it opposes the earth magnetic field, it cancels the flux around the ferite and "simulates" a condition free from magnetic fields.   

In this ideal situation,  the ferrite is close to zero on the B-H curve and we get the most out of it in terms of magnetic domain flipping and the largest inductance.  Neodymium magnets have the same effect albeit more pronounced.  

Basically this is a qualitative experiment to realize the earth's magnetic field does affect circuits, it sets the bias point, but we don't always worry about it, or realy need to worry, I suppose. 

It is quite interesting though.  It took me by surprise as well.  The ferrite has AC in it only (from the coils), but also seems to have static fields from the magnet/earth's magnetic field, which sets the bias point.

EM
« Last Edit: June 14, 2007, 03:07:39 AM by EMdevices »

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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2007, 02:50:49 AM »
Ok, here's a video you will love.

NMR in action I suppose !!

EM

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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2007, 03:12:04 AM »
Hi EMdevices,
hard to say what is going on, if we don?t know the circuit diagramm you are using...

Maybe you just hit with the ferrite stack better the resonance frequency
of the LC tank excitation and then shift the inductance to be rightregime, so
it gets in better resonance ?

2. In your first video, how was the ferrite core coil on breadboard being used ?
Was there no DC bias current through it ?

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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2007, 03:34:30 AM »
That's correct Stefan, no DC-bias current,  only AC.

I posted the circuit to these blocking oscillators in another tread a while back.  It's the same circuit, except the coils are now on a ferrite.

EM

P.S.  Here's the circuit.  Also I forgot to mention, it does saturate when the magnet cancels the earth's magnetic field, but I have to bring in the magnet even closer.  If you read up on the theory of the blocking oscillator it will become clear why its affected by saturation, since it triggers based on those coils and how fast or slow the current changes.

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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2007, 03:58:53 AM »
Here's a chart to try and explain what I'm thinking.

Note the slope change.  The steeper the higher the inductance.

There is more to it, but in a sense its the bias point that changes.  But it's not excluded other phenomena might be occuring.

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« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2007, 04:22:39 PM »
Hello Grumpy,

Please recommend what is the circuit for mosfet driver,"7Mhz Astable Multivibration" or "Emitter follow driver" figure 27 ?

Now, I'm stuck using TC4428 (the best I found here)  !!!

Thank you
nong

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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2007, 09:32:17 PM »
 :o


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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2007, 10:02:42 PM »
Hi EMdevices,

Nice experiment. You induce current in the (floating) multiturn, shortcircuited ring by the long (pinkish-red) solenoid and the created flux in the ring repels the the flux of the ring magnet.

What is your purpose with this setup?

Gyula