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Title: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on May 13, 2019, 12:33:00 PM
1.
https://patents.google.com/patent/FR2792258A1/fr (https://patents.google.com/patent/FR2792258A1/fr)
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equipped with
4x 500 Watt Catalan electric motors
https://www.voanews.com/a/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet/4235140.html (https://www.voanews.com/a/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet/4235140.html)
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https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20160929&CC=JP&NR=2016174482A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20160929&CC=JP&NR=2016174482A&KC=A#)
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https://adgex.com/energyBRICK (https://adgex.com/energyBRICK)
25000 cycles a 1 KWh by 1KWh/100 Km electric consume let reach 25000 x 100 Km= 2500000 Km,
So 1000000 Km is a good number as efficiency target,  including theory/ practise differences.

Street robo-cars,  air robo-drones,  sub-sea drones,......

Instead Catalan ( patent saved) there are several " open source" alternatives,  same power double the torque.

System price estimation,  making part f. e.  https://pplware.sapo.pt/motores/renault-kwid-eletricos-baterias-baratos/ (https://pplware.sapo.pt/motores/renault-kwid-eletricos-baterias-baratos/) : total car endconsumer selling price 7500 Euros

Car conversion-kit : 1500 Euros + EnergyBrick
             
 ::) https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2Fmobilitaet%2F2019-05%2Fe-go-life-elektroauto-verkehrswende-deutschland-armin-laschet%3Futm_source%3Dpocket-newtab (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2Fmobilitaet%2F2019-05%2Fe-go-life-elektroauto-verkehrswende-deutschland-armin-laschet%3Futm_source%3Dpocket-newtab)  ;D
                     eKwid : 676 Kg        10,8 Euros/Kg
                    e. GO.  : 1200 Kg.    16,6 Euros/Kg


 
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: ramset on May 13, 2019, 02:10:19 PM
I see you are still adding info....How to access 1500 Eu electric conversions Kit ??

Am I reading this correctly ...a Renault Kwid ...Gas 3500.00 eu  electric 7500.00 ?? [in India
thx
//Chet
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on May 13, 2019, 02:48:33 PM
By serial production and fob factory buy :
the Porquer-transmission 375 Euros
4 x e-motors a 500 W : max.  400 Euros ( reference : Schiller motor 3000 RPM,  1 KW/1 Kg)

Saburo-power amplifier : 2 KW nominal max.  375 Euros ( reference : Campos& Cardoso)

+ development (p)reserve

Peak/average Costs/Price difference ( by same object)

Exclusive/Standart 100/30    no physical difference

Individual/group.     100/50.   no physical difference

Ready to use/ Kit.    100/50.   no physical difference


The consumer can pay 100 financial units for the wished 1 object- unit or 100 x 0,3 x 0,5 x 0,5 = 7,5 financial units as object-price in kit-form and buying in group.

              1500 Euros / 0,075 ~ exclusive " high sophisticated price propaganda level" = 20000 Euros

             
Why we do not see so much ic-engine equipped cars to e-car-conversion :
in Germany this administrative act( licence, aval, "right") costs 15000 Euros,  in Poland 1500 Euros.

This are extra-costs,  not included in the conversion-kit. !
eKwid : international ( India included) price 7300 Euros ( before local tax) ,so cheaper than an " administrative act " in Germany.
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: ramset on May 13, 2019, 03:38:58 PM
Can you provide a link for "1500.00 conversion Kit" in Poland ?or does it have to be ordered by the part from separate factories ?
seems with the apocalyptic world burning up pandemic extinctions and drowning from melting ice that "administrative costs"should not be hindering solutions for the planet .....or the common man [and woman] .


Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: seychelles on May 13, 2019, 05:04:36 PM
LANCAIV THANKS FOR SHARING. WHEN I SEE THIS SUPER INVENTION AND I SAY WHY DID I NOT
THINK OF THAT. THE GODLY BRAIN, SIMPLE YET SOPHISTICATED .
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: seychelles on May 14, 2019, 08:13:21 AM
CATALAN SUPER EFFICIENT MOTOR.
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: broli on May 14, 2019, 11:51:33 AM
Is it me or does this smell like bullshit? Most brushless DC motors are already 90+% efficient. What am I missing here besides some nice illustration that tries to convince me otherwise?
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on May 14, 2019, 12:31:59 PM
broli, numerical you are right, efficiencies about 98% are reached !
But : compare torque/Watt DC or torque/VeffAeff Hzeff AC

Catalan and/or Eldrige concept based by 90%+ from 100% magnetic force conversion
https://www.google.com/search?q=geminielectricmotor+answer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=geminielectricmotor+answer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
Conventional electric motors and generators : 90%+ x conceptual 1/2 magnet field force conversion

Optimizing existent electric devices :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Fred+miekka&IN=&CPC=&IC= (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Fred+miekka&IN=&CPC=&IC=)

                      "A method of increasing power ...... completely utilizing the magnetic field.......  "
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20020425&CC=US&NR=2002047346A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20020425&CC=US&NR=2002047346A1&KC=A1#)
[0020]  "... torque is twice , magnets  utilized 50% instead as original only 25% ,efficiency 75%( original : 73%)
[0017] " .. during normal running conditions,only 13,7% of the capability of the permanent magnets are utilized. "
[0016] the original motor producer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ametek (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ametek) and the patent is from the end 90'            NEMA-standart
Here are two physical improvement possibilities to reach : power density KW/Kg device and torque density/Kg.

Actually we know about commercial electric devices with 10 KW continuous/Kg with optimizing forecast :up to 40 KW continuous/Kg by superconductor use, probably room ambiental temperature.( bimetallic coil/foil)
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on May 14, 2019, 08:27:36 PM
Can you provide a link for "1500.00 conversion Kit" in Poland ?or does it have to be ordered by the part from separate factories ?
seems with the apocalyptic world burning up pandemic extinctions and drowning from melting ice that "administrative costs"should not be hindering solutions for the planet .....or the common man [and woman] .
It has to become organized  !
About climate change we see and hear many news in the last thirty years from all over the world.
But is the consumer really concerned  ?Car horsepower/KW/Nm  during the decades growth up : not down ! Consume,too ! Emission, too !

The " 1000000 Km with 1 KWh-battery" is only technical "ultima ratio", showing physical possibilities.
                      Not market entry ! No really need !

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+girl+who+silenced+the+world+for+5+minutes+youtube&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
What is her daily consume fingerprint 2019  ?
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: ramset on May 14, 2019, 10:50:42 PM
Lanca//you have been a champion of smaller more efficient footprints for a long time.
Regardless of climate change scenarios we should strive towards a more responsible management of resources and waste management.[planet friendly ].


Chet
Ps would you mind if we talked a bit more about this elec car conversion "kit" "how to get there from here"

also I could try to contact this fellow with the new motor design and see if he has advanced towards production Or ??...also what power calcs/Data for the claim ?
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on May 15, 2019, 10:13:02 PM
The Catalan Halbach array motor

coupled with the "  coaxial inversion generator" from Winpro/Akio Hara

https://www.google.com/search?q=akio+hara+winpro&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=akio+hara+winpro&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=EP&NR=2383870A4&KC=A4&FT=D&ND=&date=20170412&DB=&locale=# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=EP&NR=2383870A4&KC=A4&FT=D&ND=&date=20170412&DB=&locale=#)
[ 0050 ] claims a good = 2x fold conversion efficiency

could be a start !


 https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=2013038069A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=&date=20130214&DB=&locale=# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=2013038069A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=&date=20130214&DB=&locale=#) 
[ 0061 ] Winpro  generator is scaleable: beginning with " dynamo for bicycle "

Bringing Catalan and Hara together and as probably third party : https://www.inmotive.com/ (https://www.inmotive.com/)
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on May 17, 2019, 02:40:51 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj1a8rdX6DU (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj1a8rdX6DU)

4:10 glued magnets array
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8264314 (https://patents.google.com/patent/US8264314)
Nice to get BMW i3 (841 US$/125 KW), Chevrolet Bolt (836 US$/150 KW) ,Tesla Motors(754 US$/192 KW) electric engine prices for per KW comparison. !
But are more/less Roy Kessingers preview "5 US$/HP" ten years before. !

The Akio Hara generator :
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2012029168&recNum=172&docAn=JP2010065107&queryString=(FP/DISC-1)%20&maxRec=7399 (https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2012029168&recNum=172&docAn=JP2010065107&queryString=(FP/DISC-1)%20&maxRec=7399)
Are the magnets soon glued  like by the Tesla Motors electric engine or will they become it  ?!


Hara his engine concept similar :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20131028&CC=PT&NR=106273A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20131028&CC=PT&NR=106273A&KC=A#)

 http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=PT&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=106273&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ptTRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=PT&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=106273&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ptTRGLANG=en)
        " ... and thus multiply the output of electricity.  ...... "

" Peak or average output " or " peak and average output" multiplying  !?

Output multiplying we see here by " double windings"- concept from Victor Arestov :
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arestov.de%2Findex.php%2Fde%2Felektromotoren%2Fwindenergie (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arestov.de%2Findex.php%2Fde%2Felektromotoren%2Fwindenergie)

Hara or PT          + double windings( capacitiv?)  :         ?
Hey Chet, whats' about the " 33% output improvement by generator coil coating " !? ;)
 

Who wants the quasi- perfect state : generator couple with
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20060801&CC=TW&NR=200627764A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20060801&CC=TW&NR=200627764A&KC=A#)
Multi- Motors on one shaft or Multi-Generators one one shaft
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on May 20, 2019, 10:16:22 AM
What we can remark by the BMW/Chevrolet/Tesla Motors electric engines :
 2019 price range :   15 US$/ Kg and 5 US$/ KW for electric Motor/ generator
                                                            Average : 2 KW/Kg ( average RPM?)

Next average technical evolution step :  10 KW/ Kg  ( 2030+ : 40 KW/Kg superconductive)


                  each step makes this concept more and more attractive and the KWh production cheaper
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1#)

A full automated company, included virtual administration,  shall bring down the genset prices to 25 US$/KW.     

     Companies in container-boxes,relocateable like drones. Telemetric Delegation.


                                                                  Moore law integration :
                            Human-free industry,zero personal costs.No management costs.
 From 1 US$cent/KWh to 0,1 US$cent/KWh ,0,9 US$cent difference is human operation costs,extinction by well organized processing.

In Saudi -Arabia their greatest oilfield the exploration costs for each barrel is the price target to reach :

                 free oil energy for 1 US$/ barrel= 
   
              100 US$cents/1600 KWh :< 0,1 US$cent/KWh

             Only free sun radiation is cheaper.
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on November 07, 2019, 08:03:58 PM
https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-may-soon-have-a-battery-that-can-last-a-million-miles/ (https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-may-soon-have-a-battery-that-can-last-a-million-miles/)
So 1609000 Kilometers by 4000 charge cycles and how many KWh- battery package  ?

4000 charge cycles instead 1000 before are not bad :

10000 charge cycles are more attractive and 100 US$/KWh market price
http://energystoragereport.info/capacitor-sciences-thin-film-capacitor-technology/

25000 charge cycles predicted.       https://adgex.ru/energyBRICK (https://adgex.ru/energyBRICK)

50000 cycles.superbattery/supercapacitor  ? 54 US$/KWh. ?
https://www.google.com/search?q=biosolar+50000+cycles&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m

200000 charge cycles anymore "mystery" :

https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/research-news/battery-lasts-200000-cycles-2016-05/ (https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/research-news/battery-lasts-200000-cycles-2016-05/)

250000 charge cycles alu-graphene

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321850509_Ultrafast_all-climate_aluminum-graphene_battery_with_quarter-million_cycle_life (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321850509_Ultrafast_all-climate_aluminum-graphene_battery_with_quarter-million_cycle_life)



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Concept car :
https://cartype.com/pages/2491/reva_nxg__2005 (https://cartype.com/pages/2491/reva_nxg__2005)
18 KWh battery.        200 Km range

x 4000 charge cycles ~ 400000 Km
x 10000 charge cycles ~ 1000000 Km
x 25000 charge cycles ~ 2500000 Km

Instead 37 KW induction motor the Catalan Hallbach array motor
18 KWh battery.         600 Km range




With Catalan Hallbach array motor and 2 in-wheel Hara generators
18 KWh battery.    range : ? 

When 12 KWh/100 Km with 37 KW induction motor and Catalan 1/2 electricity consume and 3 KWh brake energy recuperation x 200% Akio Hara coaxial double generator motor efficiency :
(12/2) - (3x2) = long range



Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on November 08, 2019, 11:12:54 PM
The challenge for the best battery-/capacitor technology :

both 2017 publicated :

U. S. : Stanford Uni, North Carolina State Uni

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321850509_Ultrafast_all-climate_aluminum-graphene_battery_with_quarter-million_cycle_life (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321850509_Ultrafast_all-climate_aluminum-graphene_battery_with_quarter-million_cycle_life)

China: Zhejiang Uni
https://aluminiuminsider.com/chinese-researchers-develop-aluminium-graphene-battery-charges-seconds/ (https://aluminiuminsider.com/chinese-researchers-develop-aluminium-graphene-battery-charges-seconds/)


From the article below the most important prediction  :

".... that in 2028 the price for 1 KWh battery storage will cost only 10 USD.  ......."

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carmart.ch%2Fumwelt%2Fpreise-fuer-batterien-von-elektroautos-fallen-massiv-in-10-jahren-90%2F (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carmart.ch%2Fumwelt%2Fpreise-fuer-batterien-von-elektroautos-fallen-massiv-in-10-jahren-90%2F)

Question : the 2028 1 KWh battery "charge cycles"- average number. ?
Question 2: why 0,2 US$/KWh charge , do they only calculate with 10 US$/0,2 US$= 50 charge cycles  ?
Question 3: what will become the price for the charger 2028 ?



                2028 10 USD/KWh storage ,industrial b2b, compared :

2017,OEM lead-acid battery prices 25-40 USD /KWh storage
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/lead-acid-battery (https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/lead-acid-battery)
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on November 12, 2019, 11:28:25 AM
https://peswiki.com/ (https://peswiki.com/)
https://pesn.com/news/2019/07/29/89 (https://pesn.com/news/2019/07/29/89)
https://www.ev-power.eu/en/By-Brand-Manufacturer/GWL-Power/Lithium-Titanate-Oxid-Battery-Cell-LTO-2-4V-40AH-Cyllindrical.html?listtype=search&searchparam=lithium%20titanate%20oxid (https://www.ev-power.eu/en/By-Brand-Manufacturer/GWL-Power/Lithium-Titanate-Oxid-Battery-Cell-LTO-2-4V-40AH-Cyllindrical.html?listtype=search&searchparam=lithium%20titanate%20oxid)
 (2,8-1,5 V)nominal 2,3 V x 40 Ah x 30000 cycles( DOD%  ?)  : 63,25 US$ per battery ( 1,65 Kg shipping weight)

 63,25 US$/ 2,3V x 40 Ah x 30000 charge cycles ~ 63,25 US$/2760 KVAh storage capacity  ~

                                                                               
                                                    With 100% DoD                           2,29 cents/KVAh


without transport costs /without capital tax/ without charger


only for market price/KVAh comparison fob factory






Older news/articles with "new",now-2019-  older, lab development results :

 https://peswiki.com/directory:batteries (https://peswiki.com/directory:batteries)
+ 5-10 years wait time ( consumer)/  organization ( inventor/producer)time for       product market entree



to newest publication : 

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2019/10/30/new-battery-could-charge-an-electric-car-in-10-minutes/
The search for the highest KWh/Kg, KW/Kg, ?00000 charge cycles CHEAP super-e-storage

Local production = less/no transport costs ;   3d printing : low human fabrication costs/ printing-on-demand

no rare materials / no toxic materials/100% recycleable
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on November 14, 2019, 02:31:03 PM
9 April 1993:

https://books.google.pt/books?id=QwjGCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&dq=stanford+200000+charge+cycles&source=bl&ots=AsiiUxn1YJ&sig=ACfU3U3K9o5oLTsdXf0V_tG4dwA34q-n8w&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj0r-LN3enlAhVbQEEAHcE9DpcQ6AEwBnoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=stanford%20200000%20charge%20cycles&f=false (https://books.google.pt/books?id=QwjGCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&dq=stanford+200000+charge+cycles&source=bl&ots=AsiiUxn1YJ&sig=ACfU3U3K9o5oLTsdXf0V_tG4dwA34q-n8w&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj0r-LN3enlAhVbQEEAHcE9DpcQ6AEwBnoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=stanford%20200000%20charge%20cycles&f=false)
GM Impact : given numbers by the above article

31,6 KWh energy storage and 415 Km vehicle range : 7,62 KWh/100 Km



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1).                    102 KW electric Motor

here the storage/range ratio to average consume  : 10 KWh/100 Km


With 1993-2019 electric motor improvements : 5 KWh/100 Km

Impact : brake energy recuperation and storage. ?


Other industrial car " experiment" for low-e driving :   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo)

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/04/reva_introduces.html (https://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/04/reva_introduces.html)
Brake recuperation energy 3 KWh from 12 KWh consume

The Impact with 5 KWh consume, 1993 7,6-10 KWh improved by 2019 electric motor technology,  less brake recuperation energy  ?



No cost "open source= ownerfree industry experience" recycling


102 KW electric motor : in the U. S.  the maximal street legal velocity,on high-way 55 miles ~ 90 Km-h
In Germany many "Autobahn"- Km velocity limited ,Richtgeschwindigkeit/ max."orientation": 130 Km-h

driver average velocity : 56 Km-h 

1 horse up to 88 Km-h velocity : 1 horse-power 745 W

E-car conversion but not with 102 but 1,5 KW electric motor  !  ~ 2 h-p
https://patents.google.com/patent/DE10011074A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/DE10011074A1/en)

The convrrted 1,5 KW motor car with brake energy recuperation. ?With 2019 electric motor technology ?
Net zero energy car. !

What will be the future electric drive :

https://1e9.community/t/selbstfahrende-autos-die-zeit-des-traeumens-ist-vorbei-jetzt-wird-s-kompliziert/2507?utm_source=pocket-newtab (https://1e9.community/t/selbstfahrende-autos-die-zeit-des-traeumens-ist-vorbei-jetzt-wird-s-kompliziert/2507?utm_source=pocket-newtab)
Not 102 and not 1,5 but 12 nominal electric KW equipped " autonomous car drive"  !

Real world teste comparison  :

CITY AND SUBURB(IA)S transport service :

M. A. N. CITY-OMNIBUS and MAGNET-MOTOR(Starnberg,AEG-company) flywheel study in the 80' :

http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~tuuwi/sites/ss02_mobilitaet/ss02_mobilitaet_schwungrad.htm
Bus model :   https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Lion%27s_City.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Lion%27s_City.jpg)

 with Diesel- engine  equipped :                                               200 h-p drive need

with MAGNET MOTOR flywheel + diesel engine :                   20 h-p sufficient

Electrification :

with MAGNET MOTOR flywheel and electric motor :            nominal KW/ h-p  ?

                                                                                                         < 10 electric h-p  !
Instead MM flywheel : capacitor bank  !
7,5 electric KW drive divided by 40 passengers/seats : < 200 Watt per passenger


Other public transport service experiment results :
1,4 ton weight battery 1970 : power/weight improvement 2019/2024/2029
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAN_SL_200
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on December 14, 2019, 12:26:08 AM
http://www.hybrid-vehicle.org/hybrid-vehicle-history.html (http://www.hybrid-vehicle.org/hybrid-vehicle-history.html)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kri%C3%A9ger_Company_of_Electric_Vehicles (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kri%C3%A9ger_Company_of_Electric_Vehicles)
Electrolette : 2 x 3 horse-power front wheel electric motors ~ totally 4,5 KW
1700 pounds weight ~ 770 Kg

21 miles ~ 35 Km-h velocity peak

With regenerative electric brake

https://books.google.pt/books?id=sGWcdXo9BjIC&pg=PA139&lpg=PA139&dq=krieger+landaulet+motor&source=bl&ots=tDg6jMlFiI&sig=ACfU3U3akWxCuMurrvtfHM3ReyYvab8b1Q&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGqLyt4LPmAhVTAWMBHd8rD94Q6AEwCHoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=krieger%20landaulet%20motor&f=false (https://books.google.pt/books?id=sGWcdXo9BjIC&pg=PA139&lpg=PA139&dq=krieger+landaulet+motor&source=bl&ots=tDg6jMlFiI&sig=ACfU3U3akWxCuMurrvtfHM3ReyYvab8b1Q&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGqLyt4LPmAhVTAWMBHd8rD94Q6AEwCHoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=krieger%20landaulet%20motor&f=false)
".... drive motor with a second set of parallel windings for regenerative braking.  ...."

                                                        Over 100 years later


https://patents.google.com/patent/DE10011074A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/DE10011074A1/en)
Gasoline combustion engine car weight ? without engine + engine serving equipment ?

the drive motor for combustion engine cars to electric city cars conversion :
                                                     1,5 KW 4000 RPM  ( description : UP to 120 Km-h ! ?  Hill down  ::) )
                                   
                                                         IMPROVEMENT
                                 + parallel windings for regenerative braking   !
                                 For 50 Km-h peak cities and suburbs more power is over-capacity !
         
                                        Second choice to electric city car conversion


                                https://patents.google.com/patent/FR2792258A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/FR2792258A1/en)
                                                                          IMPROVEMENT
                            with 4x electric motor with parallel windings for regenerative braking


As experiments platform for new city e-vehicle concepts - range/velocity/weight/passengers/safety- this e-vehicle can be used : http://www.evalbum.com/314 (http://www.evalbum.com/314)
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 14, 2019, 11:13:11 AM
New “air valve” technology provides specially shaped fins and luevers that allow wind to
pass in the forward direction, from wind from behind pushes the vehicle.
This combined with bifilar regenerative brakes, and regenerative motor deceleration,.......
A few solar panels.....
We might be getting close
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on December 14, 2019, 12:09:55 PM
To experiment with 1,5 KW electric drive is at first easier :
1,5 KW conventional electric alternate to
 0,75 KW electric/1,5 KW magnetic force power Catalan Halbach magnet array motor


This 0,75 KW ~ 5 KW inrush power demand without "Inrush current limiter" and +- 2,25 KW inrush power with ICL
                                       Inrush power ~ Pulse power
Now connect the electric motor with several known " base power amplifier "like
       https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11462 (https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11462)

The input energy now as "car close energetic cycle" by "ELECTRICITY FROM THE SUSPENSION"
https://www.interpatent.de/ (https://www.interpatent.de/)

0,75 KW Catalan e-drive consume per100 Km( with/-out " base power amplifier"-equipment )
- SUSPENSION ENERGY GAIN
----------------------------------------------------
-CATALAN e-car net consume per 100 Km. ?
+ drive independent battery-generator

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=6&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=ES&NR=2265253A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=6&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=ES&NR=2265253A1&KC=A1#)

We are ready, not close  !


For magnets array motors we have as modern alternative the concept "Ronbach array" :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20130314&CC=US&NR=2013062983A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20130314&CC=US&NR=2013062983A1&KC=A1#)


About electric cars energetic consume and improvement possibilities

Reva NGX experimental.     nominal 37 KW AC e-drive  (~ 74 KW peak power)

                                               Change to  nominal 25/20/15/1O/5 KW AC  e-drive : effect  ?

   0-50 Kmh : ? Seconds. ?     0-75 Kmh : ? Seconds. ?  0-100 Km-h : ? Seconds. ?  ( 55 miles speed limit = 90 Km-h)

                                     
From 74 KW peak power and 37 KW nominal power the e-car consumed in average
           
           12 KWh electric energy /100 Km


12 KWh e-drive consume   - 3 KWh regenerative brake.               =  9 KWh for 100 Km      TESTED !

6 KWh Catalan e-drive        - 3 KWh.                                                =  3 KWh. for 100 Km.     THESIS I  !
6 KWH  CATALAN e-drive  - 4 KWh. Arestov double winding.    =  2 KWh for 100 Km.      THESIS II !
6 KWH CATALAN e-drive.  - 5 KWh Arestov d.w./ coil coating.  = 1 KWh for 100 Km.       THESIS III !
 
1 KWH LESS SUSPENSION ENERGY GAIN = HYPERCAR AMORY LOVINS ( Rocky Mountains Institute)

https://rmi.org/insight/hypercars-faq/ (https://rmi.org/insight/hypercars-faq/)

With battery generator ~ " freedom car"-project US DOE
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomCAR_and_Vehicle_Technologies (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomCAR_and_Vehicle_Technologies)

Parallel  non-profit= zero tax economy  project" R&D = EUGENICS

In the End70' the Pierre Chambrin Renault VESTA experiment, the VW Polo experimental                             
                                          3 down to 2 Liter/100 Km
1975 U. S. scientist Winfield Salisbury 2,25 Liter/100 Km Hybrid concept instead  common 9 Liter/100 Km fossil fuel consume                               


In the 80' Greenpeace "Twingo" improvement
Manfred Sonntag Hybrid-kit development

Bringing down the industrial standart of licence-free / open-source= global intellectual property vehicles

to                           1,5 Liter/100 Km consume in the 90' End-Millenium


                 Now 2019/2020 :

We are in an industrial open source 1 Liter/100 Km combustion engine car technical standart era
Optional : ( + synthetic fuels use) + ( exhaust CO2 filter) =


                                      Kyoto -80% Green-House-Gases 1990-2050
1 Liter/ 100 Km divided with unimproved average 6 Liter/100 Km =  - 83,33 %

1 Liter x factor CO2 0,5 for synfuels ( CO2 factor 0,125 for Arakelian syngas) = 0,5 / 6 = - 91,67%

With CO2 filter ~ clean air act,California and Federation
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Air_Act_(United_States (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Air_Act_(United_States))

average nominal consume 6 Liter/100 Km for european compact class cars

  1 litre gasoil/Diesel-Oel equates 14 KWh molecular heat energy content
  1 litre. gasoline/Benzin equates 10 KWh molecular heat energy content

The unimproved Reva NGX 12-3=9 KWh electric consume car equates 1975 Winfield Salisbury's Hybrid concept with modern  90% efficiency engine 2,25 x 0,4 ( old engine 40% peak efficiency) /0,9 ( 90% eff)= 1 Litre/100 Km

We are living in a bad educated society and bad informed( partly corruptive deformed)/informated parliament ( members)
                                               Demo(n)craty/ cratia/cracy/crazy. !

With " doing nothing" ethical corruption ~ cor-rumpere:     priority1990 Kyoto Contract     begins. !


Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 15, 2019, 06:42:09 AM
For what it’s worth, I took a look at the Catalan motor
It’s basically an electromagnetic version of a Hallbach array
I don’t reasonably see any other design having a greater magnetic intensity
in the given volume of space.
Which makes it hands-down the most powerful, and consequently, most efficient
motor of its’ size. (Whatever size you make it and compare to similar size motor)


The guy had something.
Question is, why was it overlooked or dismissed in our economy?

Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on December 15, 2019, 12:49:18 PM
What is your problem, smOkey2  ?
By #19 you can remark that hybrid and regeneration concepts were overlooked more than 100 years. !
So let us discuss in the year 2119 about the society developments between 2019-2119  ::)





Based by capacitive windings, Dr. Pavel Imris, Csc his "baby", I let develop here in Portugal, in parallel with a contracted project with him in Germany , with the portuguese technician Jorge Ferreira the "capacitive windings motor"-conception.
The german project ended in a technical-financial fiasco for him,here the project was technical a success,national patent-office approved and grant awarded.
Who workes with frequencies knows about Hz/RPM relation,the motor workes in high RPMs range ( capacitive inrush-pulse power !)and in comparation to Catalans estimated 50% electric energy savings this electric motor over-performs the input need several times !
It is good to know that there are physical alternatives. !


 
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on December 19, 2019, 02:00:50 PM
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fwirtschaft%2FShare-Now-in-Nordamerika-gestoppt-article21467313.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fwirtschaft%2FShare-Now-in-Nordamerika-gestoppt-article21467313.html)
Share-concepts and conditions : actually not acceptable. by the Metropole consumers  !
But such shareservices can be the solution to introduce new low-e cars to the market,partial begining with used conventional combustion cars converted to 5/2,5/1KWh/100 Km low consume electric  urban drive alternative. !
We do not need new product techologies cause all what we need is invented and public available  !What we need is a low-e and low-cost " manufacturing technique" !

An INVENTION EXPO,paperformat concept digitizing to visible 3d c.a.d-format and c.n.c-ready to use and wordwide these information exportable. to local 3d production facilities !
Private owned profit comercial companies and

as " second "1€- jobs(and less) " market ,in Germany called : ZWEITER ARBEITSMARKT

public non profit  institutions - like schools : learning by doing
for the later " profit first market"

WE HAVE A MARKET SPLITTING : 1. market class worker and 2.market class worker

In the METROPOLES 50% from the employees are in the "second market " way /entrance : A.I. rationalization

This is then the great share-service momentum beginning :
as future vision the over-filled share-taxis in the South-African Republic
             
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 19, 2019, 04:39:45 PM
What I meant Ian
Was there are no real world examples of this being used



Is there is a reason they ‘set this down’
Some kind of problem with the tech perhaps?


Numerically, it seems “overtorqued”
This might not be a deal breaker, but until we test it
no one really knows.



Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on December 19, 2019, 07:04:10 PM
http://www.austinev.org/   (http://www.austinev.org/)
http://www.evalbum.com/geo/Texas

You find there many "enthusiasts" which not only thought about "change" but also invested time and money in their vision as project and personal " UNIKAT". !
For others probably a help or motivation to converse their combustion engine car to electric. !
These canadian guys were in the search for the low-as-possible conversion costs. :
https://forkenswift.com/ (https://forkenswift.com/)
Related the Catalan electric motor and industrial success  chance. :
it is seldom that an industrial leader buys concepts from outside,it is often to hear and read  that individual inventors are in juridicial battles because fraud and robbery by great companies related  him given commercial awarded claim object.
An inventor has not the money for (as example ) -by Court estimated 100 Mio. rights worth process-and related this worth a 10% process costs deposit. !
Only with a "process costs funds" this inventor gets the same " law power" against these " big player" !

FAIR JUSTICE. !?
The industry its internal step-by-step evolution process is relative slow, there are by technical change new investments needed, probably also worker educational instructions : study- like
A new factory spents today easily 1 billion US$  as investment. !Look for the Tesla Motor factory in Germany/Brandenburg investment high !
Related the VW AUTOEUROPA fabrication/ montage site  in Palmela/Portugal the cluster ( car parts deliverer around the montage center building) for e-cars production is much less splitted  and less deliver-companies needed !And less worker and production area !


The production technique Tesla Motors their actual technology conversion problem seems. !Monting cars by hands -Rolls Royce like- is nothing for the mass market. !
 Slow production rate and too high work-personal costs per car. !

The introducing from new technologies with improved results is by my view only media-active successfull by open events/EXPOs with world-wide audience. : by race-battle ,eventually 24 hours-LeMans race long

In masses produce-able prototype against conventional "market leader product". !
Not by professional sports-driver but by "ordinary" car day-by-day user
Guinness-book-of-records jury presence



 ::)
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 19, 2019, 11:16:50 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanews.com/silicon-valley-technology/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet%3famp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanews.com/silicon-valley-technology/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet%3famp)
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on December 20, 2019, 01:34:28 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanews.com/silicon-valley-technology/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet%3famp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanews.com/silicon-valley-technology/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet%3famp)
+ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/kld-updates-electric-motor-for-21st-century-cars/ (https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/kld-updates-electric-motor-for-21st-century-cars/)   8)           
                        power cell or energy cell load and charge technology
+  https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190328&CC=DE&NR=112017003611A5&KC=A5#
  2- battery-packs energy cycling gen-set

 
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: ricardotore on December 26, 2019, 01:00:00 PM
How do you think how much this solar car will be cost?
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on January 30, 2020, 10:30:49 PM
How do you think how much this solar car will be cost?

What are you meaning with "solar car" ?

Let us do a research over the last decades about e-mobile trials :
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHotzenblitz (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHotzenblitz)

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/04/reva_introduces.html (https://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/04/reva_introduces.html)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo)

KW/weight ?
and compare with the newest entry :
https://nexonev.tatamotors.com/ (https://nexonev.tatamotors.com/)
12,7 Euros per Kg TATA- electric SUV
( ratio : endconsumer 17800 Euros price divided by 1400 Kg material weight)
What shall be the performance from a " solar car" ?

                                                  1000 Km drive range  ?
Acceleration values  ?             
                                              0-50 Km-h : ? Sec          0-100 Km-h : ? Sec
Velocity max. : 80 km/h,100 Km/h,120 Km/h. ? Maximal street legal velocity (actually/in future) ?

129 hp equivalent TATA car motor,
37 KW Reva NGX
20 KW Loremo electric motor,
12 KW Hotzenblitz electric motor.

appropriate power or overestimated :

probably for 30 Km per hour velocity max. european Cities in future     

                                                1,5 KW electric engines     

                                                         will be enough  !
https://patents.google.com/patent/DE10011074A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/DE10011074A1/en) 

( based by https://patents.google.com/patent/DE4031920A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/DE4031920A1/en) )

kg car weight ?  velocity max. ?

But the Lavenami is powered by a 1,5 KW electric motor :
http://www.evalbum.com/314 (http://www.evalbum.com/314)
Given weight and velocity max. ?

But we have some other e-vehicles as research platform  and base for experiments :
From their theory   

http://omni.mcn.org/electrilitem2.htm     to idea-lite solution :  http://omni.mcn.org/ElectriLiteB/ (http://omni.mcn.org/ElectriLiteB/)

https://rqriley.com/product/urba-electric/ (https://rqriley.com/product/urba-electric/)
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on January 31, 2020, 12:55:50 PM
https://m.german.alibaba.com/p-detail/Hot-Selling-New-Energy-Electric-Car-60752815732.html?spm=a2706.8168334.1998817009.128.4ca54e19DtxJLT (https://m.german.alibaba.com/p-detail/Hot-Selling-New-Energy-Electric-Car-60752815732.html?spm=a2706.8168334.1998817009.128.4ca54e19DtxJLT)
Mysterium  8) : 1000 W electric Motor and 4-5 KWh per 100 Km electricity consume  ::)                                       
                                              electric motor efficiency. ? :o
Average 25 Km and average 1000 Wh consume per hour ~ 4 KWh/100 Km


  Watt nominal/ Kg : 1000 W divided by 220 Kg vehicle weight (monomer battery weight 13-14 Kg)




https://m.german.alibaba.com/p-detail/fashionable-New-EEC-approved-fastest-electric-60650375519.html?spm=a2706.8168334.1998817009.35.4ca54e19rwtAUf (https://m.german.alibaba.com/p-detail/fashionable-New-EEC-approved-fastest-electric-60650375519.html?spm=a2706.8168334.1998817009.35.4ca54e19rwtAUfHere)
Here the weights : 390 Kg - 450 Kg included heavy battery-pack and and higher motor wattage,2000 and 2800 W


But compared to
http://omni.mcn.org/ElectriLiteB/ (http://omni.mcn.org/ElectriLiteB/)        costs estimation : 10 US$/pound(453 Gr.)  ~ 5000 US$

such electric vehicles from chinese production are for experiments cheaper and faster to get than DIY- constructions !
https://m.german.alibaba.com/p-detail/1200-w-Niedriger-geschwindigkeit-elektrische-mini-60809529672.html?__detailProductImg=https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1.Ct4DkCWBuNjy0Faq6xUlXXan.jpg_300x300xz.jpg
Such mobiles can be easy converted to "NegaWatt-City-Commuter" ,50 Km/h sufficient. !

Production costs fob( or for)  China with nominal  2 KW  : 3500 Euros

http://www.evalbum.com/314 (http://www.evalbum.com/314)   with "NegaWatt-conversion kit" : total costs estimation < 2000 Euros


A so called " solar car":
https://m.german.alibaba.com/p-detail/City-use-4-wheel-new-solar-60732955155.html?spm=a2706.8168334.1998817009.17.4ca54e19ZGZdw7 (https://m.german.alibaba.com/p-detail/City-use-4-wheel-new-solar-60732955155.html?spm=a2706.8168334.1998817009.17.4ca54e19ZGZdw7)
Title: Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
Post by: lancaIV on February 01, 2020, 01:59:42 PM
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fefahrer.chip.de%2Fnews%2Ftesla-patentiert-langlebige-und-billige-batterien-1_101716
1 Million miles and more  divided by ???  KWh- battery-set
https://battery-power.eu/cr3ativspeaker/jeff-dahn/
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=US251449154&tab=NATIONALBIBLIO