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Author Topic: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery  (Read 4240 times)

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1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« on: May 13, 2019, 12:33:00 PM »
1.
https://patents.google.com/patent/FR2792258A1/fr
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equipped with
4x 500 Watt Catalan electric motors
https://www.voanews.com/a/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet/4235140.html
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https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20160929&CC=JP&NR=2016174482A&KC=A#
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https://adgex.com/energyBRICK
25000 cycles a 1 KWh by 1KWh/100 Km electric consume let reach 25000 x 100 Km= 2500000 Km,
So 1000000 Km is a good number as efficiency target,  including theory/ practise differences.

Street robo-cars,  air robo-drones,  sub-sea drones,......

Instead Catalan ( patent saved) there are several " open source" alternatives,  same power double the torque.

System price estimation,  making part f. e.  https://pplware.sapo.pt/motores/renault-kwid-eletricos-baterias-baratos/ : total car endconsumer selling price 7500 Euros

Car conversion-kit : 1500 Euros + EnergyBrick
             
 ::) https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2Fmobilitaet%2F2019-05%2Fe-go-life-elektroauto-verkehrswende-deutschland-armin-laschet%3Futm_source%3Dpocket-newtab  ;D
                     eKwid : 676 Kg        10,8 Euros/Kg
                    e. GO.  : 1200 Kg.    16,6 Euros/Kg


 

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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2019, 02:10:19 PM »
I see you are still adding info....How to access 1500 Eu electric conversions Kit ??

Am I reading this correctly ...a Renault Kwid ...Gas 3500.00 eu  electric 7500.00 ?? [in India
thx
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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2019, 02:48:33 PM »
By serial production and fob factory buy :
the Porquer-transmission 375 Euros
4 x e-motors a 500 W : max.  400 Euros ( reference : Schiller motor 3000 RPM,  1 KW/1 Kg)

Saburo-power amplifier : 2 KW nominal max.  375 Euros ( reference : Campos& Cardoso)

+ development (p)reserve

Peak/average Costs/Price difference ( by same object)

Exclusive/Standart 100/30    no physical difference

Individual/group.     100/50.   no physical difference

Ready to use/ Kit.    100/50.   no physical difference


The consumer can pay 100 financial units for the wished 1 object- unit or 100 x 0,3 x 0,5 x 0,5 = 7,5 financial units as object-price in kit-form and buying in group.

              1500 Euros / 0,075 ~ exclusive " high sophisticated price propaganda level" = 20000 Euros

             
Why we do not see so much ic-engine equipped cars to e-car-conversion :
in Germany this administrative act( licence, aval, "right") costs 15000 Euros,  in Poland 1500 Euros.

This are extra-costs,  not included in the conversion-kit. !
eKwid : international ( India included) price 7300 Euros ( before local tax) ,so cheaper than an " administrative act " in Germany.

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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2019, 02:48:33 PM »
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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2019, 03:38:58 PM »
Can you provide a link for "1500.00 conversion Kit" in Poland ?or does it have to be ordered by the part from separate factories ?
seems with the apocalyptic world burning up pandemic extinctions and drowning from melting ice that "administrative costs"should not be hindering solutions for the planet .....or the common man [and woman] .



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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2019, 05:04:36 PM »
LANCAIV THANKS FOR SHARING. WHEN I SEE THIS SUPER INVENTION AND I SAY WHY DID I NOT
THINK OF THAT. THE GODLY BRAIN, SIMPLE YET SOPHISTICATED .

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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2019, 05:04:36 PM »
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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2019, 08:13:21 AM »
CATALAN SUPER EFFICIENT MOTOR.

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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2019, 11:51:33 AM »
Is it me or does this smell like bullshit? Most brushless DC motors are already 90+% efficient. What am I missing here besides some nice illustration that tries to convince me otherwise?

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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2019, 12:31:59 PM »
broli, numerical you are right, efficiencies about 98% are reached !
But : compare torque/Watt DC or torque/VeffAeff Hzeff AC

Catalan and/or Eldrige concept based by 90%+ from 100% magnetic force conversion
https://www.google.com/search?q=geminielectricmotor+answer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
Conventional electric motors and generators : 90%+ x conceptual 1/2 magnet field force conversion

Optimizing existent electric devices :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Fred+miekka&IN=&CPC=&IC=

                      "A method of increasing power ...... completely utilizing the magnetic field.......  "
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20020425&CC=US&NR=2002047346A1&KC=A1#
[0020]  "... torque is twice , magnets  utilized 50% instead as original only 25% ,efficiency 75%( original : 73%)
[0017] " .. during normal running conditions,only 13,7% of the capability of the permanent magnets are utilized. "
[0016] the original motor producer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ametek and the patent is from the end 90'            NEMA-standart
Here are two physical improvement possibilities to reach : power density KW/Kg device and torque density/Kg.

Actually we know about commercial electric devices with 10 KW continuous/Kg with optimizing forecast :up to 40 KW continuous/Kg by superconductor use, probably room ambiental temperature.( bimetallic coil/foil)

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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2019, 08:27:36 PM »
Can you provide a link for "1500.00 conversion Kit" in Poland ?or does it have to be ordered by the part from separate factories ?
seems with the apocalyptic world burning up pandemic extinctions and drowning from melting ice that "administrative costs"should not be hindering solutions for the planet .....or the common man [and woman] .
It has to become organized  !
About climate change we see and hear many news in the last thirty years from all over the world.
But is the consumer really concerned  ?Car horsepower/KW/Nm  during the decades growth up : not down ! Consume,too ! Emission, too !

The " 1000000 Km with 1 KWh-battery" is only technical "ultima ratio", showing physical possibilities.
                      Not market entry ! No really need !

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+girl+who+silenced+the+world+for+5+minutes+youtube&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
What is her daily consume fingerprint 2019  ?

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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2019, 08:27:36 PM »
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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2019, 10:50:42 PM »
Lanca//you have been a champion of smaller more efficient footprints for a long time.
Regardless of climate change scenarios we should strive towards a more responsible management of resources and waste management.[planet friendly ].


Chet
Ps would you mind if we talked a bit more about this elec car conversion "kit" "how to get there from here"

also I could try to contact this fellow with the new motor design and see if he has advanced towards production Or ??...also what power calcs/Data for the claim ?

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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2019, 10:13:02 PM »
The Catalan Halbach array motor

coupled with the "  coaxial inversion generator" from Winpro/Akio Hara

https://www.google.com/search?q=akio+hara+winpro&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=EP&NR=2383870A4&KC=A4&FT=D&ND=&date=20170412&DB=&locale=#
[ 0050 ] claims a good = 2x fold conversion efficiency

could be a start !


 https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=2013038069A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=&date=20130214&DB=&locale=# 
[ 0061 ] Winpro  generator is scaleable: beginning with " dynamo for bicycle "

Bringing Catalan and Hara together and as probably third party : https://www.inmotive.com/

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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2019, 02:40:51 AM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj1a8rdX6DU

4:10 glued magnets array
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8264314
Nice to get BMW i3 (841 US$/125 KW), Chevrolet Bolt (836 US$/150 KW) ,Tesla Motors(754 US$/192 KW) electric engine prices for per KW comparison. !
But are more/less Roy Kessingers preview "5 US$/HP" ten years before. !

The Akio Hara generator :
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2012029168&recNum=172&docAn=JP2010065107&queryString=(FP/DISC-1)%20&maxRec=7399
Are the magnets soon glued  like by the Tesla Motors electric engine or will they become it  ?!


Hara his engine concept similar :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20131028&CC=PT&NR=106273A&KC=A#

 http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=PT&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=106273&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ptTRGLANG=en
        " ... and thus multiply the output of electricity.  ...... "

" Peak or average output " or " peak and average output" multiplying  !?

Output multiplying we see here by " double windings"- concept from Victor Arestov :
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arestov.de%2Findex.php%2Fde%2Felektromotoren%2Fwindenergie

Hara or PT          + double windings( capacitiv?)  :         ?
Hey Chet, whats' about the " 33% output improvement by generator coil coating " !? ;)
 

Who wants the quasi- perfect state : generator couple with
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20060801&CC=TW&NR=200627764A&KC=A#
Multi- Motors on one shaft or Multi-Generators one one shaft
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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2019, 10:16:22 AM »
What we can remark by the BMW/Chevrolet/Tesla Motors electric engines :
 2019 price range :   15 US$/ Kg and 5 US$/ KW for electric Motor/ generator
                                                            Average : 2 KW/Kg ( average RPM?)

Next average technical evolution step :  10 KW/ Kg  ( 2030+ : 40 KW/Kg superconductive)


                  each step makes this concept more and more attractive and the KWh production cheaper
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1#

A full automated company, included virtual administration,  shall bring down the genset prices to 25 US$/KW.     

     Companies in container-boxes,relocateable like drones. Telemetric Delegation.


                                                                  Moore law integration :
                            Human-free industry,zero personal costs.No management costs.
 From 1 US$cent/KWh to 0,1 US$cent/KWh ,0,9 US$cent difference is human operation costs,extinction by well organized processing.

In Saudi -Arabia their greatest oilfield the exploration costs for each barrel is the price target to reach :

                 free oil energy for 1 US$/ barrel= 
   
              100 US$cents/1600 KWh :< 0,1 US$cent/KWh

             Only free sun radiation is cheaper.

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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2019, 08:03:58 PM »
https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-may-soon-have-a-battery-that-can-last-a-million-miles/
So 1609000 Kilometers by 4000 charge cycles and how many KWh- battery package  ?

4000 charge cycles instead 1000 before are not bad :

10000 charge cycles are more attractive and 100 US$/KWh market price
http://energystoragereport.info/capacitor-sciences-thin-film-capacitor-technology/

25000 charge cycles predicted.       https://adgex.ru/energyBRICK

50000 cycles.superbattery/supercapacitor  ? 54 US$/KWh. ?
https://www.google.com/search?q=biosolar+50000+cycles&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m

200000 charge cycles anymore "mystery" :

https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/research-news/battery-lasts-200000-cycles-2016-05/

250000 charge cycles alu-graphene

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321850509_Ultrafast_all-climate_aluminum-graphene_battery_with_quarter-million_cycle_life



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Concept car :
https://cartype.com/pages/2491/reva_nxg__2005
18 KWh battery.        200 Km range

x 4000 charge cycles ~ 400000 Km
x 10000 charge cycles ~ 1000000 Km
x 25000 charge cycles ~ 2500000 Km

Instead 37 KW induction motor the Catalan Hallbach array motor
18 KWh battery.         600 Km range




With Catalan Hallbach array motor and 2 in-wheel Hara generators
18 KWh battery.    range : ? 

When 12 KWh/100 Km with 37 KW induction motor and Catalan 1/2 electricity consume and 3 KWh brake energy recuperation x 200% Akio Hara coaxial double generator motor efficiency :
(12/2) - (3x2) = long range




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Re: 1000000 Kilometer with 1 KWh-battery
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2019, 11:12:54 PM »
The challenge for the best battery-/capacitor technology :

both 2017 publicated :

U. S. : Stanford Uni, North Carolina State Uni

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321850509_Ultrafast_all-climate_aluminum-graphene_battery_with_quarter-million_cycle_life

China: Zhejiang Uni
https://aluminiuminsider.com/chinese-researchers-develop-aluminium-graphene-battery-charges-seconds/


From the article below the most important prediction  :

".... that in 2028 the price for 1 KWh battery storage will cost only 10 USD.  ......."

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carmart.ch%2Fumwelt%2Fpreise-fuer-batterien-von-elektroautos-fallen-massiv-in-10-jahren-90%2F

Question : the 2028 1 KWh battery "charge cycles"- average number. ?
Question 2: why 0,2 US$/KWh charge , do they only calculate with 10 US$/0,2 US$= 50 charge cycles  ?
Question 3: what will become the price for the charger 2028 ?



                2028 10 USD/KWh storage ,industrial b2b, compared :

2017,OEM lead-acid battery prices 25-40 USD /KWh storage
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/lead-acid-battery

 

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