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Author Topic: Open Source Vs. Patenting  (Read 177095 times)

Offline lancaIV

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #180 on: November 15, 2013, 03:43:10 PM »
thank for you explanation,
but i did not go deep into kind of patent or how to patent yet.


i read  moray book,

http://kristofferhell.net/doc/sea-of-energy_henry-t-moray.pdf

is that situation  same with current situation?,
the  main problem is situation.
if not go and get patent,

every being from bowels of the earth to the moon to the mars till pluto will
come to the earth surface patenting device.

don't worry, human will be serviced first .
Think easy like patenting=open sourcing and nobody ( hopefully for good peacefull intnetions) can stop somebody to applicate and replicate the descripted patent object !
And if anybody think to "forget" important object functionality pieces :
this guy automatic loose the given "monopolar commercial ( no private area) claim(-s)  rights" as is written in the PCT/WIPO (down to national patent offices) contract rules !
                To receive PCT rights never forget to also accept the obligations !

Then there is the second step : UAL/TUEV and similar security org approval to get assurance
security and to know the own/family/neighbour object function risks !
Think about your responsibility ! Without assurance security you will have to pay 100% and
need to approve that not you are guilty and judged by law with up to several years prison !


As DIYer you will need for each constructed object several kinds of aval/approvements:
to save your life/health/patrimony and the life/health and patrimony from all others around you ! This costs time and money,is it not ? More discussion ?


Bye
       OCL
« Last Edit: November 15, 2013, 07:42:51 PM by lancaIV »

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #180 on: November 15, 2013, 03:43:10 PM »

Offline Marsing

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #181 on: November 16, 2013, 04:29:07 AM »
thank for your repaly

Then there is the second step : UAL/TUEV and similar security org approval to get assurance
security and to know the own/family/neighbour object function risks !
Think about your responsibility ! Without assurance security you will have to pay 100% and
need to approve that not you are guilty and judged by law with up to several years prison !


its became more interesting, (second step , money again), what about i included manual operation in packet, it's describe function risk,all possible damage to user, how to operate, and wrote down  ' i am not responsible to all any damage, before or after use of this device. keeping, using, buying mean that you  agree with this term '.  etc. 
am i still responsible?
I saw this on some pages on web.
the difference is webpage or diy book only show how to build or to operate without actual device.
i am doubt webpage content writer or book writer have UAL/TUEV approval.

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As DIYer you will need for each constructed object several kinds of aval/approvements:
to save your life/health/patrimony and the life/health and patrimony from all others around you ! This costs time and money

are you suggesting would be better to deal/cooperate with company or something else?.

 
 

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #182 on: November 16, 2013, 05:26:01 AM »
lol, 
os vs p is very hot,
I just read page by page. i did not know about it yet.

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #182 on: November 16, 2013, 05:26:01 AM »
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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #183 on: November 16, 2013, 10:12:23 AM »
Marsing, your question :'are you suggesting would be better to deal/cooperate with company or something else?' is an 1 Tri-/Billion$ and more answer worth !
Cause this treats the future economy working principle !
My father worked at last as consultant,each day for less than 500 Euros,conventional  price.
You did a geral/open source question-you and the other viewers will get a geral view:


1. From 8 billions habitants/?millions households on earth (private/com(m)ercial)
    how many do you want/need? to reach ?
    How many are analphabets or does not use your booklet-language ?
    (f.e. Metro/city of Miami: phone call payment letter in 23 different languages !)
2. How many has the tools to realize the booklet object/-s ? your idea :only selling ?
   ( our household is full from my brother sended electronical equipment,not in use;
     I am also an DIY: trying to install a Satellte-dish and connect the cable let me felt the"little
     current" )
3. What is a fairly prize ? In the so called "3.world" people earns the aequivalent of 1US$
                                per day-if finding employment
4.Where is the greatest emergency -the greatest search - of your solution ?
   Worldwide helping NGOs ? F.e. also the catholic( roman-c/protestants ::) /jewish/buddhists/
   muslims/ naturalists ??? / .......church network ?
5.Has you only this idea or more ? Will you help at first only yourself and your family or also
    other - their ideas and solutions finance backpacking?
 6. Emissonary/embassy network : kindergarden/schools/university/ church-temple-radio/tv-
                                   internet and extranet( mouth-to-mouth-propaganda)
7. ........
I am here not the "lonesome surfer" -we all can input the :future ? and (possible) answer-
                                                             puzzle
                                               including "surfin' U.S.A."
Bye-bye
             OCL
p.s. ::) : what did "Geenpeace" and other similar .org for the FE-scene ?
              And their idea fellows (poor and rich ?)
              Do not think mono-/bi-/but ambi-valent(value and wagging inside ):
              booklet- C.A.D.plan - DIY-kit - Ready-to-use-solution
                                                              (there is to much "2 linke Haende)
             Other "embassy": worker unions : worker=consumer and producer
                                          Chamber of comerce: company-owner=consumer and producer
             Test field : Conrad Electronics Lab ?
              In questions and answers no/doubt and no/scepsis is ever allowed- my personal view
              and

                                                   O- pinion  8)

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #184 on: November 16, 2013, 10:33:43 AM »
lancaIV


The device must meet such requirements:
- simple
- easy to get parts
- not costly
- VALUABLE FOR COMMUNITY


A good example is here http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/10/tech/innovation/solar-powered-led-lamps/ but it may be even better if OU powered lamps would be distributed.


the patent is not about anything usable, it's about the rights to produce ! Actually patents are used to prevent production, that's why you HAVE TO PATENT to don't let malicious person do that and stop your good plan.
Surely I'm also 100% sure inventor should be recompensated with a quite large sum of money to allow him working on next big inventions.






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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #184 on: November 16, 2013, 10:33:43 AM »
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Offline Marsing

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #185 on: November 16, 2013, 02:19:09 PM »
 
  :o       WOW     :o
 
i got your puzzle. and not ready for more puzzle..


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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #186 on: November 16, 2013, 05:18:56 PM »
forest,you are surprising me by your wishes (like Kinder-UeberraschunG from Ferrero) :
                  The device must meet such requirements:
- simple
- easy to get parts
- not costly
- VALUABLE FOR COMMUNITY
               
   The device : i-material : as advice   ?
    less/ more using the existant work power capacity worldwide ?


   " The " device with universal function ?
    Which elementary material ?
    Exploring/Production capacity per annum included re-cycling ?
    ( A Reprap is a Reprap is a Reprap ::) )


    easy to get parts : as booklet "device" I showed marsing the problem( incl.tools) + repair !
 
    not costly : based by ? 1US$ aequivalent per day earning ?
    European quantified or qualified average earning ?( iceberg and statistics determination risk)
   G7+1/ G20 : the down(Min-Max earning) 80% or the above(Max-Min earnings) 80%
                      ( where is your social gravity base )


   VALUABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY : wish the community a mechanical solution,an electrical
   solution( Solar flare storm :atmospheric short-circuit ) !?
   Does the COMMUNITY communicate in a democratic modus with each other ?
   ( included childs wish and older/elder people ?)


                And for the bad I would repeat the industrial history schedule :
            to reach 50% of the western households the industry needed 100 years ;


                       but if we study the last 25 years we see an
                       average western household equipment set /delivering time
                                                         change :

                                                           caused
                                                           industry
                     e-motorization : 1 human 80W/h /  1 e-motor 1000W and more/h
                     1 work turnus : 8h X 5days  3-work turns per day capacity X 7days
                                                + precision: up to 1/1000mm
                                                                 C.N.C.
                   and 1 no/low/middle/high skilled human( f or m or fm ;) ) can supervise 10-100
                                                                 machines
                                from ex-condition: handykraft to industrial machine master to "robot"

   industrial goods bestseller examples: electric chess,video-recorder/walkman/walkboy/
   digital watch/ playing console(included Nintendo "virtual baby responsibility" Tamagochi)
   /MP3-MP4....Microwave owen,infrared heater,O-/Led ,solar cells,
   bureau office multi-station(Fax,Scan,telephone,voice recorder,printer ) ,Laptops/notebooks   


   If you have other meanings or am I wrong correct me : I am not educated without faults/
   faughts and I learned to learn from other- old and young people and animals and other
                                                                                                                                         "things"

                 So you must see that it is not the patent right which gives success !                                            But: Productivity !

Sincerely
              OCL
p.s.: sometimes I am glad to know that there is a "big brother" who is "listen" and  do also supervise us and who controles for example web-sides which offers f.e. 50.000NZL$  cruise missiles !
Remembering Falkland/Exocet/Sheffield (N.A.T.O. member tecnics "games",unfriendly )  !
"Schiffe versenken/Navy battle" we have also at home,manual and electrical :
 M&B presents:.....
and Simon/Senso and Supermind and "Mensch,aergere dich nicht",Mikado ,Yatzee et cet.
but for freetime entertainment and not as "manouvre in the dark",hopefully.

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #186 on: November 16, 2013, 05:18:56 PM »
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Offline CANGAS

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #187 on: February 07, 2014, 02:21:22 PM »
Anyone with a charitable heart will be quickly attracted to the scheme of dreaming up a wonderful Over Unity power device and giving it away as Open Source so that it will Spread Like Wildfire and all humans will get a big lift and live like they are safe and comfortable instead of being miserable in poverty.

But it really wont and cant work like that.

The sun is up. It is time for me to get to sleep. More soon.



post 6. or is it only 5, in all the excitement I lost count myself. CANGAS.



 

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #188 on: April 01, 2015, 09:36:37 AM »

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #189 on: August 23, 2015, 07:46:58 PM »
Patenting is suicidaire. Imagine you sent to your gouvernment a patent that describes a device that can create the energy. What do you think your gouvernement will do to you ? They will kill you, an accident, or something like that. They want all the money from this invention. Even a gouverment can block a patent (under security laws) they must give you the money you can receive from the invention. With the energy it's 25 000 000 000 € each day, at least something like 10 000 000 000 000 € each year. Do you think they have this money to you ? No,sure. So, if you want to survive to your invention you musn't patent it !

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #190 on: August 25, 2015, 07:59:13 PM »
Hi!
Fortunately, there is no such invention.
I'm sure that's prevailing energy system why they have not killed anyone.
It is easier to imagine cheating killed.
who is lured by money.

Personal Opinion.
sorry ;)

Obviously the opinion of some one who needs to remove the blinkers and find the truth instead of resisting negative BS.
 Sorry ;)

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Offline EOW

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #191 on: September 19, 2015, 05:34:36 AM »
If you want to make money with your ideas but don't have time and money to patent all your ideas or you are afraid your gouverment could kill you, you can send your ideas to Russia at least one year before to publish them. A country like Russia will give you a percentage of your invention, even 20 % is good. Send your ideas wrote at hand (don't use a computer and the network). At worst and if Russia is a thief, inequitable with bad values they keep all the money but don't kill you.

Offline joel321

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #192 on: September 19, 2015, 07:09:47 AM »
This question made me think of this video https://youtu.be/Ks8WH3xUo_E

After thinking about it for a bit, Open Sourcing is like helping your brother while Patenting is like taking money from your brother. Which I ask myself WHO is PATENTING STUFF? AN expert of knowledge or just a person who does not know what he/she is patenting?

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #193 on: September 29, 2015, 05:43:25 PM »
This question made me think of this video https://youtu.be/Ks8WH3xUo_E

After thinking about it for a bit, Open Sourcing is like helping your brother while Patenting is like taking money from your brother. Which I ask myself WHO is PATENTING STUFF? AN expert of knowledge or just a person who does not know what he/she is patenting?

Sure, it's true but like you know a patent is only 20 years so after all is free for all people. I sent all my ideas to Russia 18 months before to publish my ideas on Internet.

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #194 on: October 17, 2015, 01:34:21 PM »
In France, like in many countries you don't have the right to send to another country your patents (you must patent in your country first) but you have the right to send your ideas. Like you know an idea can't be patented so it's not a patent.

 

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