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Title: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: F6FLT on March 23, 2019, 12:39:29 PM
It was Tesla who claimed longitudinal waves rather than Hertzian during his deposition for the rights to radio and he defined both.  If that does not jibe with current scientific nomenclature then fine but this was not from the guy with the issues everyone is so fond of who introduced this concept.  Further it was Tom Bearden who came up with the name scalar waves which makes no sense, scalar field yes waves no.
Tesla also specifically said his energy was non radiating.  What is also self evident is that Dr Tesla repeated adamantly he was very good at tuning...

I agree with that. Concerning Tom Bearden, if no one has ever been able to use his MEG, there is a reason: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Bearden

As for Tesla, if the energy radiated, then in the absence of a receiver, or in the presence of receivers taking only a part of it, it would be lost.
It was either a near field, which means it is not autonomous but linked to the source, or a standing wave, which means that even if there is radiation, it is that of waves moving in opposite directions, maintaining the energy in static.
Tesla was much smarter than those who today systematically want to oppose what he did to our knowledge of electromagnetism, when he was a mechanical and electrical engineer, having gone through university.

Wesley's answer, claiming a conspiracy theory from Edison or JP Morgan, people who in his opinion would represent the "current scientific position" when neither of them had any credit with real scientists like Maxwell, is childish. It means replacing rational causes with intentions.

PS - I post in this new thread. In Wesley's one where he exercises his censorship, the posts of those who do not allege his extravagant theses are systematically suppressed, including mine.


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: F6FLT on March 23, 2019, 01:15:55 PM
In a recent video, Wesley was seen lighting LEDs by contact with the water in a glass.

Water is conductive because it contains ions, such as seawater, or insulating when it is pure, such as distilled water. The one bought in the shops, that I use for my experiments, has a conductivity of only 2 µS. In both cases the water is a dielectric of high permittivity, which allows it to be used for antennas.
The subject is widely covered, especially over the last 5 years due to the search for efficient and broadband antennas for mobile telephony. There are many engineering papers on water antennas on the IEEE website. A good summary is available here (https://livrepository.liverpool.ac.uk/2037241/1/XingLei_September2015_2037241.pdf).

Water has a high permittivity. The propagation speed of a wave in this dielectric can be divided up to 9, the square root of its permittivity, allowing tuned antennas very shorter than the wavelength in vacuum.  Wesley's experiment is easily explained: the glass of water is equivalent to a vertical antenna subjected to the close and intense field of a UHF or SHF transmitter, so it can light LEDs. No extravagant surface or Zenneck wave theory, such as Wesley's, is necessary to explain a widely known conventional phenomenon.

Some smart people have even transformed a water jet into a radiant antenna! Great!  :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tIZUhu21sQ
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: SolarLab on March 23, 2019, 10:06:38 PM
F.Y.I.

Westey's comments re: F6FLT restarting his "free speech" version of "Kapanadze's" original hijack.

"For me  F6FLT is trying deliberately supplying false information causing devaluation of my voluntary contribution.
I  have no benefit and no gain  continuing my activity in its  existing form."

- Westey, a while back you HI-JACKED the Original KAPANADZE threads by adding your name to them and began your original version of DISINFORMATION regarding the Kapanadze and similar devices. You do not have to "recall" this, just look backwards a few (many) pages.
- You have never posted anything original regarding Kapanzdze's unit,
- NO usable schematics, technical information, system analysis, viable theories, nor any other usable information; NOTHING.
- NO viable references to any established, or other wise, scientific theory; not even a "food for thought" idea, NOTHING.
- So, one would conclude, and rightfully so, that YOU are the DISINFORMATION shill.

Then, and Now, you attack those that are skilled in the art for EXPOSING your scheme. Your "notes are, in fact, is what they  appear to be - nothing but nonsense garbage cut and paste, meant to mislead and confuse.
You further claim, without evidence or explanation:

"Example of F6FLT disinformation   propaganda is  evident by reading his  two posts.
False assumption and wrong conclusion.

And question to you guys :
Why he is so much paying attention to me?
Why I'm  so important to him?
Why he doesn't open  new forum  with title:
Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  NickZ? 
or
F6FLT Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]?
Why he uses my name and exact  name of  Wesley's forum?

Please give me your opinion what do you think?"
 
- Let me answer your question as directly as possible:
- He, like most of us who sudy this technology and know the real facts, are duty bound to KEEP THE BS IN CHECK (as much as possible considering your constant and consistant flow of BS and your censoring of any possible exposure to the real truth).
GET IT!
FIN


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: F6FLT on March 23, 2019, 10:07:48 PM
Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2390 on: Today at 06:59:01 PM »
Note: F6FLT   opened non authorized by me discussion  forum named:
Quote
Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
This is NOT WESLEY'S FORUM AND IS MADE TO IN INTERFERE WITH ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE VALUABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

Using my name   is unfair and misleading trick made to bring attention of the crowd to his take about me.
Whoever F6FLT serves too, and whoever agenda is driving his action it should be clear that, it is  another try to
criticize only and not to contribute.

"Wesley" appears in the title of this thread, since it is the title of Wesley's thread that Wesley himself chose, but accompanied by the mention [with free speech], which leaves no doubt that it is not Wesley's thread, but the one to make the answers he censors in his own.

Using the name "Kapanadze" in the title of his thread, associated with his name, is it not an "unfair and misleading trick" to draw the attention of the crowd to him? Of course not, it would be foolish to use against him, the lamentable defamatory process he uses against others.
He discusses the Kapanadze machine, so he puts the name Kapanadze in the title. I discuss Wesley's (often pseudo-)scientific theses and his activities as a censor, so I keep his name in the title of the thread in question, nothing more normal, that's where is the matter to be discussed!

What is "unfair" is to systematically suppress posts, even purely technical ones, when they criticize his theses in addition for perfectly justified reasons, for example see above.


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: SolarLab on March 23, 2019, 10:36:06 PM
F.Y.I.

At the beginning of 2019 it became clear that the "theory of the Ruslan device operation"  was about to be postulated and could be supported by conventional (orthadox) science and engineering knowledge, as well as actually demonstrated by both computer aided engineering analysis and bench testing.

About that time panic also set in. There are many reasons for this I'm sure but we'll leave that for further speculation. However, in a fit of myopic fear, the subject took a dramatic turn. A feverous posting pace of "garbage" (for lack of a better term) and bashing began followed by censorship and out right nasty accusations and name calling.

This behavour is classic, so it's easy to recognize on the forums - when your over the target, the flack is the heaviest.

 But, rest assured one theory of Ruslan's device (and many others) does hold water, devices are being tested, and the entire "package" will be released to the public in the not too distant future.

This is far too important to all of us to screw it up playing "silly little reindeer games."

FIN
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: SolarLab on March 24, 2019, 01:28:56 AM
F.Y.I.

Use this simple method (math) to do a numerical analysis of your "idea."
Try the grenade coil, or at least the preliminary physical structure; and you will learn a lot! Then share the math files amongst yourselves. That's how it's done!

Myself; well, Westey has stolen too much stuff from me, without credit or even a thanks; so I've pulled that plug.

Sorry, but frankly it was too time consuming and too much work,  just to have a useless jerk delete my work and then spin into a childish accusation tyrate about nonesensical politics.

So; have fun all by yourself in your little sandbox with your "educational" videos!

We'll go down another, more professional, route for review and comment.

Mathcad (free) download:

https://www.ptc.com/en/products/mathcad (https://www.ptc.com/en/products/mathcad)
https://www.ptc.com/en/products/mathcad-express-free-download (https://www.ptc.com/en/products/mathcad-express-free-download)

Some excellent Worksheets:
Basics - https://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/Problem-Solving-Using-Physics-Examples/td-p/449703 (https://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/Problem-Solving-Using-Physics-Examples/td-p/449703)

From the list of worksheets; some good stuff - "Topics in Physics" - especially: from this .zip file:
 
https://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/PTC-Mathcad-All-Worksheets/td-p/450684 (https://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/PTC-Mathcad-All-Worksheets/td-p/450684)

https://community.ptc.com/sejnu66972/attachments/sejnu66972/PTCMathcad/1768/1/Topics%20in%20Physics.zip (https://community.ptc.com/sejnu66972/attachments/sejnu66972/PTCMathcad/1768/1/Topics%20in%20Physics.zip)

Chapter 12 Electric Field and Electric Current

Chapter 13 Magnetic Field

Courses:
http://support.ptc.com/appserver/services/learning/sub/library_courses.jsp?library=MC (http://support.ptc.com/appserver/services/learning/sub/library_courses.jsp?library=MC)
Download  Mathcad program and install. Download the .zip (above) and look at (do) the material.

Have a nice one!

FIN
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: F6FLT on March 24, 2019, 11:44:47 AM
Wesley, your detractors are trying to muddy the water. They don't want others to know what you know for whatever reason. It is obvious their only purpose is disruption. If they don't like what you say they are free to visit millions of other threads all over the internet. This is your thread so just keep deleting their posts for as long as it takes for them to go away. If they are being paid their bosses will quit paying them because they will have failed. Let them start their own thread and share their brilliant ideas and projects. Why won't Stephan just ban them?
Garry

When you understand the absurdity of the theory of surface waves in a glass of water, as well as many others from stivep, confirmed by the fact that no one could achieve anything real on the basis of his fuzzy speculations, you will understand how much time his speech will have wasted on others.

People like me want to inform with the aim of individual and collective progress and to prevent everyone from going down absurd, counterproductive paths in our quest for free energy.  It is not against an individual, but against his nonsense.

Imagining a conspiracy theory is the easy solution for simple minds who want to avoid the effort of reading the real scientific literature yet provided, or who know they lack the minimum capacity required to understand the basics of physics.
It is indeed people who prefer children's stories to scientific literature that the images of stivep, by their excessive simplifications in the Victorian cartoon style, will touch first and foremost. That said, we have the right to prefer children's stories to scientific literature. Too bad it's on a site dedicated to free energy, as children's stories do not have an operating result in terms of energy.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: F6FLT on March 24, 2019, 07:56:37 PM
NickZ I'm  not in your space, nor I interfere  with you dear friend.

Will you call Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  waste space with its 1397 pages and no results?
...

There is a big difference.

In "Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY", there are guys who search, ask questions, answer each other, keep their thread open and the discussion free, and work together. We don't know if they'll succeed, but at least it's the right method.

In "Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum", there is a self-proclaimed expert on Kapanadze's secrets when he knows no more than the others, who gives lessons and asserts extravagant theses not verified by experiments, who refuses to work with others and even prevents any progress by suppressing posts that object or propose alternatives.  Not only can no success be expected with this method, but it can also misinform those less involved in physics.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: hartiberlin on March 24, 2019, 09:30:41 PM
There is a big difference.

In "Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY", there are guys who search, ask questions, answer each other, keep their thread open and the discussion free, and work together. We don't know if they'll succeed, but at least it's the right method.

In "Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum", there is a self-proclaimed expert on Kapanadze's secrets when he knows no more than the others, who gives lessons and asserts extravagant theses not verified by experiments, who refuses to work with others and even prevents any progress by suppressing posts that object or propose alternatives.  Not only can no success be expected with this method, but it can also misinform those less involved in physics.

Why do you critisize Wesley so much ?He has his own thread, where he wants to post his theories...Like these good videos of him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE4GjB1cWLQ

Just accept that...
Do your own experiments and then report them in other threads...and please don´t start flame wars or disturb him in his thread.
Thanks for understanding.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: SolarLab on March 25, 2019, 12:43:14 AM

    ;)   


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: SolarLab on March 25, 2019, 02:18:09 AM
Hi Stefan,

Hope all is well and your doing fine.

Please restore the files that got removed during the "transition" of Westey's thread. Many of the 
posts (in particular Solarlab) are referenced in a variety of other places. This has caused problems
when others try and reference them.

There was a great deal of effort and time put into most of these posts. Many of them contain key
information and references leading to the understanding of the underlying technologies and it's use.

An attached .zip file (.rtf - wordpad) contains several examples of the discussions that originally lead
up to the chaos with several snipets of broken thread links. It's clear even from the brief captures 
why and where the root problem stemmed from but that's water under the bridge now.

Anyway, thanks in advance - hate to loose all this hard work and information or spend time sorting through
a "way back" recovery, especially when considering the cause. And re-linking would be a major task.

Regards,

SL

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: AlienGrey on March 25, 2019, 08:43:57 AM
Hi Stefan,

Hope all is well and your doing fine.

Please restore the files that got removed during the "transition" of Westey's thread. Many of the 
posts (in particular Solarlab) are referenced in a variety of other places. This has caused problems
when others try and reference them.

There was a great deal of effort and time put into most of these posts. Many of them contain key
information and references leading to the understanding of the underlying technologies and it's use.

An attached .zip file (.rtf - wordpad) contains several examples of the discussions that originally lead
up to the chaos with several snipets of broken thread links. It's clear even from the brief captures 
why and where the root problem stemmed from but that's water under the bridge now.

Anyway, thanks in advance - hate to loose all this hard work and information or spend time sorting through
a "way back" recovery, especially when considering the cause. And re-linking would be a major task.

Regards,

SL
Wesley, if you go onto Russian speaking sites similar to  overunity.com, they don't put up with this type of 'blackmail' off topic full page 'wast of space manuscripts ' they are either removed or shrunk down and hidden but showing a viewable reference for a minority to view or tolerate. I mean this junk would not be tolerated so why is it here?
If you look back to the start we had none of this mafia imposed personalized of topic demands, so why put up with it now ????
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: hartiberlin on March 25, 2019, 09:39:42 AM
Hi Stefan,

Hope all is well and your doing fine.

Please restore the files that got removed during the "transition" of Westey's thread. Many of the 
posts (in particular Solarlab) are referenced in a variety of other places. This has caused problems
when others try and reference them.

There was a great deal of effort and time put into most of these posts. Many of them contain key
information and references leading to the understanding of the underlying technologies and it's use.

An attached .zip file (.rtf - wordpad) contains several examples of the discussions that originally lead
up to the chaos with several snipets of broken thread links. It's clear even from the brief captures 
why and where the root problem stemmed from but that's water under the bridge now.

Anyway, thanks in advance - hate to loose all this hard work and information or spend time sorting through
a "way back" recovery, especially when considering the cause. And re-linking would be a major task.

Regards,

SL
Where was it removed ?in which thread ?Wesley has only remove rights in his own board, not in other boards...Also restoring is not possible...Then people have to look into your ZIP file.... Or just build your own site and post it there...Please stop hammering Wesley in his own board...
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: F6FLT on March 25, 2019, 10:05:36 AM
Why do you critisize Wesley so much ?He has his own thread, where he wants to post his theories...

It is not a personal matter, I am not criticizing a person, but what he says and do, for reasons I justify (see for example, above, the question of water as a resonant dielectric). It seems to me that in a discussion forum, it is essential to be able to oppose points of view.

Unlike me who criticizes technical points, we see stivep defaming me, claiming that I am not the real licensed amateur radio operator, accusing me of being in the pay of whoever... (is it in charter of the forum?) and when I answer, he suppresses my posts, and not only mine. I therefore criticize his methods of arbitrary censorship.

From what I see of stivep, there are far more comments (scientifically wacky) about the work of others, with photos and diagrams taken from others, than there are about personal experiments or theoretical development on his part. When I talk about what he says, I also comment on his contributions, as he does about those of others like Kapanadze.

The more you are competent in physics, the faster you see the experimental biases or the conventional explanations that explain perfectly what you observe. What you can show on a forum is therefore very little compared to what you do.
Conversely, the less competent you are, the less aware you are of experimental errors and of conventional explanations, and the more you invent crazy theories about what you see, just to satisfy your ego or impress the audience.

Stivep does a lot of animation here. I understand that this is interesting for a forum like this. But is this compatible with the aim? Quantity is incompatible with quality and the time required for experiments and their analysis. When it comes to experiments done by others, it is even worse because the lack of technical data means that anyone can claim to be an expert in the secrets of the device and say anything in large quantities and of little relevance on most subjects.

If we want a forum where the rule is the complacent spreading of theories based on no facts or on delusional interpretations, simply to please ourselves, then stivep production is not criticizable.
If we want a forum where we seek for real technical results, then we must eliminate the wrong leads, scams, biased interpretations, and keep the real points that seem promising to us. Then to make the selection, the discussion including detailed factual criticism is necessary.
I assumed that we were in the mindset of point two.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: F6FLT on March 25, 2019, 10:23:50 AM
Where was it removed ?in which thread ?Wesley has only remove rights in his own board...

I replied to this, and my message was deleted (among dozens of others):
"F6FLT  from this forum is not the same, real licensed F6FLT (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg531788/#msg531788)"

We can see he talk only about me, not about the technical points I mentioned.
Is Stivep allowed to defame, to carry out personal attacks, and then to delete messages where you defend yourself?!
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: Sergh on March 25, 2019, 01:31:23 PM
F6FLT, what do you want from him? To tell you the secret of Kapanadze?
And if he does not know him? Get off him.
Do something more useful, as Wesley does. He does as he can.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: F6FLT on March 25, 2019, 02:43:02 PM
F6FLT, what do you want from him? To tell you the secret of Kapanadze?
And if he does not know him? Get off him.
Do something more useful, as Wesley does. He does as he can.

Sergh,

If you saw a guy talking to everyone, sure of himself when obviously for you who know the precise subject he is talking about, he is talking nonsense, would you say nothing?
This idea of keeping quiet in the face of lies or gratuitous inventions is odious to me. It is a condition of progress, a duty and a matter of respect towards other readers who may have been misled, to say what you know even if they are objections. The truth is not necessarily what makes you happy, on the contrary often. But we are not here to flatter egos or comfort them in their illusions.

It's not a personal matter, maybe it's a nice guy you could go on holiday with for a hike in the mountains or sail at sea, but in physics, we don't care, if he's talking nonsense, it has to be said and why.

I don't expect anything from him. I am simply explaining that some of the technical or scientific points he claims, are false, as the surface waves in a glass water at UHF or SHF frequencies.
He has the right to express them, and I have the right to express why I think that's not true.
Oh yes, I am still waiting for something, it is that he avoids defamation and instead uses logical arguments to answer the objections that have been made to him.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: ramset on March 25, 2019, 04:21:46 PM
I will not pretend to understand the depth of this investigation By Viziv corporation and its many skilled and heretofore highly regarded experts .
I would imagine they do not have children playing with unlimited funding and also would not expect to act as if they are spending my money to do this "investigation"  in Texas ?
or your money F6FLT ?
Nor do I see it remotely appropriate to list anybodies unfinished investigation/research under a scam topic  ?such behavior leads to lawsuits in my country and as far as I know is against TOS agreement here ?//// Also
Stefan has recommend to solar lab that he should do a better job [Perhaps start his own forum] and manage his hard work in a more careful way [I recommended many times to him to start his own topic [resorted to begging]
as I felt his Parker solar probe as well as the other things he was trying to share quite fascinating [many here would IMO ] .
Instead he mixed things in all over the forum..[WHY waste so much hard work ...start a topic !!
hopefully this mess can end and everybody go back to what they do and leave others to their "ongoing"investigations ..
I would add to F6FLT ..to my knowledge there is No wiggle room in TOS or exceptions....and as far as I know all such reference has been removed from forum database [at Wesley's place he did write this]
I do know if you keep engaging Viziv corp [or Wesley's investigation into them and their work] by writing Scam references ...this would be perceived as libel in any court in my country and would most definitely place our host in harms way [expensive lawsuits].
Chet K...
  Ps here would be a better place to write  letters complaining about their research http://vizivtechnologies.com/









Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: nelsonrochaa on March 25, 2019, 04:36:59 PM
I will not pretend to understand the depth of this investigation By Viziv corporation and its many skilled and heretofore highly regarded experts .
I would imagine they do not have children playing with unlimited funding and also would not expect to act as if they are spending my money to do this "investigation"  in Texas ?
or your money F6FLT ?
Nor do I see it remotely appropriate to list anybodies unfinished investigation/research under a scam topic  ?such behavior leads to lawsuits in my country and as far as I know is against TOS agreement here ?//// Also
Stefan has recommend to solar lab that he should do a better job [Perhaps start his own forum] and manage his hard work in a more careful way [I recommended many times to him to start his own topic [resorted to begging]
as I felt his Parker solar probe as well as the other things he was trying to share quite fascinating [many here would IMO ] .
Instead he mixed things in all over the forum..[WHY waste so much hard work ...start a topic !!
hopefully this mess can end and everybody go back to what they do and leave others to their "ongoing"investigations ..
I would add to F6FLT ..to my knowledge there is No wiggle room in TOS or exceptions....and as far as I know all such reference has been removed from forum database [at Wesley's place he did write this]
I do know if you keep engaging Viziv corp [or Wesley's investigation into them and their work] by writing Scam references ...this would be perceived as libel in any court in my country and would most definitely place our host in harms way [expensive lawsuits].
Chet K...
  Ps here would be a better place to write  letters complaining about their research http://vizivtechnologies.com/

Completely agree Ramset.
I was already anticipating that this problem would happen by the type of behavior shown in responses given even in other topics. What these people do not understand is that even having the right to opinion, because it has that freedom, but can not interfere with the freedom of others, or in their opinions , is very clear and simple .
Hope now the two sides have been "tuned in"  .

cheers
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: SolarLab on March 25, 2019, 05:06:33 PM
F.Y.I.

Going against my better judgment - here's a dump of a random, but interesting,
section (raw form, not even a Draft) of "some stuff." 

WARNING - this could be a long one and it won't be edited - hopefully it will be of
"food for thought" interest however! Random jibberish or good technical stuff?

This is done only to highlight why we were/are looking for a credible, solid, stable
place to "dump" what we consider to be very publically valuable information on the
subject. We have a private, secure, network but it is not developed as a public forum
and conventional publications don't readily lend themselves to introducing
highly technical "disruptive" technologies.

If your a Ham Radio type you will immediately appreciate the problem.

Anyway: (let the vultures pick away!) [feel free to scrub it - we don't link here anymore]

On second thought, a .zip file containing the Wordpad .rtf file (and the key equation)
will likely be a better method of transport since the formatting, links, and such
remain intact - less work for me!

FIN
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: AlienGrey on March 25, 2019, 05:20:26 PM
Yes what Nelson is saying is as it should be and we should behave, but in saying that there are some
nicknames on here who demand those with know-how develop stuff and not only share knowledge but demand
a device that guaranteed to be not only a worker but at least a 2 kW self-running device! ;D ;D ;D
If you then turn round and try and point out a few pearls of wisdom they are ignoring, they then start to slag the
helper off and use demeaning insults of miss information and followed by insults for one's trouble.
This is very bad !
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: SolarLab on March 25, 2019, 05:25:04 PM
And with that, my good fellows,

I LEAVE YOU IN PEACE!

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: F6FLT on March 25, 2019, 05:37:10 PM
...
I do know if you keep engaging Viziv corp [or Wesley's investigation into them and their work] by writing Scam references ...this would be perceived as libel in any court in my country and would most definitely place our host in harms way [expensive lawsuits].
...

I hope they will sue me, at least they will have to prove their perpetual motion machine in front of independent experts, and the cost of the trial if I lose it will quickly be offset by my savings on the cost of my electricity...   ;)

Chet, when you talk about the mixing of everything and anything on the forum, you hit a sore point, but you have to go through with it. This is how free energy questions are raised on the forums from the very beginning. There is no progress, unlike in the academic sciences, because we are not able to distinguish between things and eliminate absurdities.
So people have been repeating the same topics over and over since the 1990s, newcomers are taking up the absurdities of the past and the cycle is starting all over again. We are still talking about Lutec, Perendev, free space longitudinal waves, gyroscopes that lose weight, magnets or weights that provide more energy than their potential energy etc etc. etc. while we do not have the least reproducible experimental evidence.

Is there a consensus on what we have learned from our failures? A synthesis of fraudulent miracle machines or machines with non-duplicable effects? Not even. We are at the same point as 20 years ago, with gurus who talk us about overunity like omniscient prophets, with believers in anything even in the Pink Unicorn if the former tell them that it farts high pressure HOO, with despised scientific knowledge and method, and with skeptics who are fought against because they try to bring back a little rationality that might bother gurus and the wishful thinking of their adepts.

While we could do very interesting things on the fringes of science, we are facing obscurantism and blind faith, and consequently no result.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: F6FLT on March 25, 2019, 06:08:52 PM
...What these people do not understand is that even having the right to opinion, because it has that freedom, but can not interfere with the freedom of others, or in their opinions , is very clear and simple.
...

What not everyone understands is that what some people say in public can be criticized in public. Respect for people does not imply respect for their beliefs or for everything they tell us. If that were the case, no one could say anything anymore, because there will always be somewhere someone who have a different opinion and might feel shocked.

Then a forum, by definition, is a place for discussion. If people refuse to discuss, or apply excessive and indiscriminate censorship, they have nothing to do on a forum. Whether they blog or stay on youtube by inhibiting comments.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: nelsonrochaa on March 25, 2019, 06:20:09 PM
What not everyone understands is that what some people say in public can be criticized in public. Respect for people does not imply respect for their beliefs or for everything they tell us. If that were the case, no one could say anything anymore, because there will always be somewhere someone who have a different opinion and might feel shocked.

Then a forum, by definition, is a place for discussion. If people refuse to discuss, or apply excessive and indiscriminate censorship, they have nothing to do on a forum. Whether they blog or stay on youtube by inhibiting comments.
I agree with you, but it is also true that you have already shown your point of view, and I at least have already read it and I think other people do too.
What do you need more? What do you want to add to what you've already said?
I do not understand, such persistence and resilience.
I think most users will be of age, to make their own decisions about this or another topic. do not you think ?
Good luck
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: ramset on March 25, 2019, 06:47:32 PM
Sorry I have emergency at addiction hospital my friend runs down in NY
He had medical emergency and asked me to come and help until
He gets out of hospital
I hope Stefan will sort this
Chet
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: forest on March 25, 2019, 08:46:29 PM
WHEN we would be able to do that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=320&v=crjU5hu2fag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=320&v=crjU5hu2fag)


to put knowledge from this site into reality ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: AlienGrey on March 25, 2019, 09:27:25 PM
WHEN we would be able to do that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=320&v=crjU5hu2fag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=320&v=crjU5hu2fag)

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What knowledge, err did is miss something ? or did you mean nuclear or 20year scrap cycle of solar?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: AlienGrey on March 25, 2019, 09:30:46 PM
Wesly what happend to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAQphgpaTQk

Sharks TPU part 2 ??? didn't you do a news video on it ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: Sergh on March 26, 2019, 07:50:43 AM
Is it possible to consider an honest friend of a person who must be here, but is missing? (AKULA video etc.)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: F6FLT on March 26, 2019, 10:31:08 AM
WHEN we would be able to do that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=320&v=crjU5hu2fag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=320&v=crjU5hu2fag)


to put knowledge from this site into reality ?
Nice realization. It is a pleasure to see young people who start without complexes and succeed.
Conventional techniques are feasible. "Overunity" techniques are not (yet?) because until now, there is no reproducible proof of concept while there are thousands of claims on this subject. Draw the conclusions: both alleged overunity systems and their promoters must be sorted out and unnecessary ones eliminated.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: stivep on March 29, 2019, 02:12:58 PM
This post uses quote of F6FLT but it is not directed to F6FLT.
It is directed to you the public. To better understand me and my motivation.

What not everyone understands is that what some people say in public can be criticized in public. Respect for people does not imply respect for their beliefs or for everything they tell us. If that were the case, no one could say anything anymore, because there will always be somewhere someone who have a different opinion and might feel shocked.

Then a forum, by definition, is a place for discussion. If people refuse to discuss, or apply excessive and indiscriminate censorship, they have nothing to do on a forum. Whether they blog or stay on youtube by inhibiting comments.

I'm American respecting American values!!
The problem is not in Freedom of Speech and Expression.

Both SolarLab and F6FLT made their point clear:
They they informed the crowd  about their rejection of everything  I published.
And that is fair, to me.
But repeating  that rejection for half of a year every time I post something is called  constant attack or vendetta.
(a prolonged bitter quarrel with or campaign against me.)

Example:
-if some  guys know that I have no money  for them why they publicly yell repeating their disappointment every time they see me ?
If they don't like me why is that important to the crowd around?

The answer is simple:
-  someone (mentally stable) must be paid, or he must hate so much to push public opinion against me.
And there is no other  explanation, it doesn't exist  ( if you know about any other explanation than take stand )
So let's say  that there can be one individual who  acts this way.
But when we have  two of  them presenting themselves with knowledge and  nice English, that  somehow that looks interesting?

Summary:
I may be for you not delivering anything worth your attention.
I might be worth nothing to some of you,
I my be deluded or any other way handicap.

BUT REPEATEDLY EVERY DAY TELLING ME, OFFENSIVELY THAT I'm  handicap  - that alone is bad and is not human!!!!!!!
That is why F6FLT and SolarLab are  under moderation.

They been ask to  post in other parts of forum, But instead they opened topic mimicking Wesley's topic:
to attract  the audience and publish  with  intention
to inflict , pain, damage, or other hostile action on me in retribution for something done or not done.

And topic was created  and  placed by F6FLT,  in scam section of forum with my name on it.
Scam can only  exist if there is any profit or benefit, and I have none.
But they can benefit from that in both monetary and having satisfaction.
And that matches  basic formulation  of definition of foreign agent
or hostile foreign servant who would not stop if not terminated.



It is very much unfortunate but Russia
is often associated with this kind of activity. 


Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
Post by: SolarLab on April 12, 2019, 04:35:23 PM

F.Y.I.

Solar Update:

https://www.foxnews.com/science/the-sun-is-spitting-out-lava-lamp-blobs-500-times-the-size-of-earth (https://www.foxnews.com/science/the-sun-is-spitting-out-lava-lamp-blobs-500-times-the-size-of-earth) 

Ruslan device theory/development Update:

Test Set => much more successful than envisioned [including Test Set Ver. 2]; "Maker (kids)" making great progress, several devices and configurations tested OK (docs in the works) - closely "matching" postulated theory; still on course for June/July pub. Very busy...

Have a wonderful weekend!

FIN