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Author Topic: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]  (Read 6130 times)

Offline Sergh

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2019, 01:31:23 PM »
F6FLT, what do you want from him? To tell you the secret of Kapanadze?
And if he does not know him? Get off him.
Do something more useful, as Wesley does. He does as he can.

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Offline F6FLT

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2019, 02:43:02 PM »
F6FLT, what do you want from him? To tell you the secret of Kapanadze?
And if he does not know him? Get off him.
Do something more useful, as Wesley does. He does as he can.

Sergh,

If you saw a guy talking to everyone, sure of himself when obviously for you who know the precise subject he is talking about, he is talking nonsense, would you say nothing?
This idea of keeping quiet in the face of lies or gratuitous inventions is odious to me. It is a condition of progress, a duty and a matter of respect towards other readers who may have been misled, to say what you know even if they are objections. The truth is not necessarily what makes you happy, on the contrary often. But we are not here to flatter egos or comfort them in their illusions.

It's not a personal matter, maybe it's a nice guy you could go on holiday with for a hike in the mountains or sail at sea, but in physics, we don't care, if he's talking nonsense, it has to be said and why.

I don't expect anything from him. I am simply explaining that some of the technical or scientific points he claims, are false, as the surface waves in a glass water at UHF or SHF frequencies.
He has the right to express them, and I have the right to express why I think that's not true.
Oh yes, I am still waiting for something, it is that he avoids defamation and instead uses logical arguments to answer the objections that have been made to him.

Offline ramset

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2019, 04:21:46 PM »
I will not pretend to understand the depth of this investigation By Viziv corporation and its many skilled and heretofore highly regarded experts .
I would imagine they do not have children playing with unlimited funding and also would not expect to act as if they are spending my money to do this "investigation"  in Texas ?
or your money F6FLT ?
Nor do I see it remotely appropriate to list anybodies unfinished investigation/research under a scam topic  ?such behavior leads to lawsuits in my country and as far as I know is against TOS agreement here ?//// Also
Stefan has recommend to solar lab that he should do a better job [Perhaps start his own forum] and manage his hard work in a more careful way [I recommended many times to him to start his own topic [resorted to begging]
as I felt his Parker solar probe as well as the other things he was trying to share quite fascinating [many here would IMO ] .
Instead he mixed things in all over the forum..[WHY waste so much hard work ...start a topic !!
hopefully this mess can end and everybody go back to what they do and leave others to their "ongoing"investigations ..
I would add to F6FLT ..to my knowledge there is No wiggle room in TOS or exceptions....and as far as I know all such reference has been removed from forum database [at Wesley's place he did write this]
I do know if you keep engaging Viziv corp [or Wesley's investigation into them and their work] by writing Scam references ...this would be perceived as libel in any court in my country and would most definitely place our host in harms way [expensive lawsuits].
Chet K...
  Ps here would be a better place to write  letters complaining about their research http://vizivtechnologies.com/










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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2019, 04:21:46 PM »
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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2019, 04:36:59 PM »
I will not pretend to understand the depth of this investigation By Viziv corporation and its many skilled and heretofore highly regarded experts .
I would imagine they do not have children playing with unlimited funding and also would not expect to act as if they are spending my money to do this "investigation"  in Texas ?
or your money F6FLT ?
Nor do I see it remotely appropriate to list anybodies unfinished investigation/research under a scam topic  ?such behavior leads to lawsuits in my country and as far as I know is against TOS agreement here ?//// Also
Stefan has recommend to solar lab that he should do a better job [Perhaps start his own forum] and manage his hard work in a more careful way [I recommended many times to him to start his own topic [resorted to begging]
as I felt his Parker solar probe as well as the other things he was trying to share quite fascinating [many here would IMO ] .
Instead he mixed things in all over the forum..[WHY waste so much hard work ...start a topic !!
hopefully this mess can end and everybody go back to what they do and leave others to their "ongoing"investigations ..
I would add to F6FLT ..to my knowledge there is No wiggle room in TOS or exceptions....and as far as I know all such reference has been removed from forum database [at Wesley's place he did write this]
I do know if you keep engaging Viziv corp [or Wesley's investigation into them and their work] by writing Scam references ...this would be perceived as libel in any court in my country and would most definitely place our host in harms way [expensive lawsuits].
Chet K...
  Ps here would be a better place to write  letters complaining about their research http://vizivtechnologies.com/

Completely agree Ramset.
I was already anticipating that this problem would happen by the type of behavior shown in responses given even in other topics. What these people do not understand is that even having the right to opinion, because it has that freedom, but can not interfere with the freedom of others, or in their opinions , is very clear and simple .
Hope now the two sides have been "tuned in"  .

cheers
 

Offline SolarLab

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2019, 05:06:33 PM »
F.Y.I.

Going against my better judgment - here's a dump of a random, but interesting,
section (raw form, not even a Draft) of "some stuff." 

WARNING - this could be a long one and it won't be edited - hopefully it will be of
"food for thought" interest however! Random jibberish or good technical stuff?

This is done only to highlight why we were/are looking for a credible, solid, stable
place to "dump" what we consider to be very publically valuable information on the
subject. We have a private, secure, network but it is not developed as a public forum
and conventional publications don't readily lend themselves to introducing
highly technical "disruptive" technologies.

If your a Ham Radio type you will immediately appreciate the problem.

Anyway: (let the vultures pick away!) [feel free to scrub it - we don't link here anymore]

On second thought, a .zip file containing the Wordpad .rtf file (and the key equation)
will likely be a better method of transport since the formatting, links, and such
remain intact - less work for me!

FIN

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2019, 05:06:33 PM »
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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2019, 05:20:26 PM »
Yes what Nelson is saying is as it should be and we should behave, but in saying that there are some
nicknames on here who demand those with know-how develop stuff and not only share knowledge but demand
a device that guaranteed to be not only a worker but at least a 2 kW self-running device! ;D ;D ;D
If you then turn round and try and point out a few pearls of wisdom they are ignoring, they then start to slag the
helper off and use demeaning insults of miss information and followed by insults for one's trouble.
This is very bad !

Offline SolarLab

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2019, 05:25:04 PM »
And with that, my good fellows,

I LEAVE YOU IN PEACE!


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2019, 05:25:04 PM »
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Offline F6FLT

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2019, 05:37:10 PM »
...
I do know if you keep engaging Viziv corp [or Wesley's investigation into them and their work] by writing Scam references ...this would be perceived as libel in any court in my country and would most definitely place our host in harms way [expensive lawsuits].
...

I hope they will sue me, at least they will have to prove their perpetual motion machine in front of independent experts, and the cost of the trial if I lose it will quickly be offset by my savings on the cost of my electricity...   ;)

Chet, when you talk about the mixing of everything and anything on the forum, you hit a sore point, but you have to go through with it. This is how free energy questions are raised on the forums from the very beginning. There is no progress, unlike in the academic sciences, because we are not able to distinguish between things and eliminate absurdities.
So people have been repeating the same topics over and over since the 1990s, newcomers are taking up the absurdities of the past and the cycle is starting all over again. We are still talking about Lutec, Perendev, free space longitudinal waves, gyroscopes that lose weight, magnets or weights that provide more energy than their potential energy etc etc. etc. while we do not have the least reproducible experimental evidence.

Is there a consensus on what we have learned from our failures? A synthesis of fraudulent miracle machines or machines with non-duplicable effects? Not even. We are at the same point as 20 years ago, with gurus who talk us about overunity like omniscient prophets, with believers in anything even in the Pink Unicorn if the former tell them that it farts high pressure HOO, with despised scientific knowledge and method, and with skeptics who are fought against because they try to bring back a little rationality that might bother gurus and the wishful thinking of their adepts.

While we could do very interesting things on the fringes of science, we are facing obscurantism and blind faith, and consequently no result.

Offline F6FLT

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2019, 06:08:52 PM »
...What these people do not understand is that even having the right to opinion, because it has that freedom, but can not interfere with the freedom of others, or in their opinions , is very clear and simple.
...

What not everyone understands is that what some people say in public can be criticized in public. Respect for people does not imply respect for their beliefs or for everything they tell us. If that were the case, no one could say anything anymore, because there will always be somewhere someone who have a different opinion and might feel shocked.

Then a forum, by definition, is a place for discussion. If people refuse to discuss, or apply excessive and indiscriminate censorship, they have nothing to do on a forum. Whether they blog or stay on youtube by inhibiting comments.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2019, 06:08:52 PM »
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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2019, 06:20:09 PM »
What not everyone understands is that what some people say in public can be criticized in public. Respect for people does not imply respect for their beliefs or for everything they tell us. If that were the case, no one could say anything anymore, because there will always be somewhere someone who have a different opinion and might feel shocked.

Then a forum, by definition, is a place for discussion. If people refuse to discuss, or apply excessive and indiscriminate censorship, they have nothing to do on a forum. Whether they blog or stay on youtube by inhibiting comments.
I agree with you, but it is also true that you have already shown your point of view, and I at least have already read it and I think other people do too.
What do you need more? What do you want to add to what you've already said?
I do not understand, such persistence and resilience.
I think most users will be of age, to make their own decisions about this or another topic. do not you think ?
Good luck

Offline ramset

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2019, 06:47:32 PM »
Sorry I have emergency at addiction hospital my friend runs down in NY
He had medical emergency and asked me to come and help until
He gets out of hospital
I hope Stefan will sort this
Chet

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2019, 06:47:32 PM »
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Offline forest

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2019, 08:46:29 PM »
WHEN we would be able to do that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=320&v=crjU5hu2fag


to put knowledge from this site into reality ?

Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2019, 09:27:25 PM »
WHEN we would be able to do that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=320&v=crjU5hu2fag

r
What knowledge, err did is miss something ? or did you mean nuclear or 20year scrap cycle of solar?

Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2019, 09:30:46 PM »
Wesly what happend to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAQphgpaTQk

Sharks TPU part 2 ??? didn't you do a news video on it ?

Offline Sergh

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum [with free speech]
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2019, 07:50:43 AM »
Is it possible to consider an honest friend of a person who must be here, but is missing? (AKULA video etc.)

 

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