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Title: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ramset on March 14, 2019, 04:35:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZkuteW_Q9k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZkuteW_Q9k)
ACCA posted this at another topic , I am asking a friend of the FE community in Las Vegas to  have a look

 https://ie.energy/about.html[/size][/font] (https://ie.energy/about.html)
https://www.ie.energy/video/earth_engine_longform_v07-1000x428.mp4 (https://www.ie.energy/video/earth_engine_longform_v07-1000x428.mp4)
https://www.ie.energy/video/disruptive_technology_10-10_v01.mp4 (https://www.ie.energy/video/disruptive_technology_10-10_v01.mp4)
https://www.ie.energy/video/importance_of_the_team.mp4 (https://www.ie.energy/video/importance_of_the_team.mp4)
https://www.ie.energy/video/get_involved.mp4 (https://www.ie.energy/video/get_involved.mp4)
 
https://www.ie.energy/video/engine_introduction_conf.mp4 (https://www.ie.energy/video/engine_introduction_conf.mp4)
 
 
https://freedomfest2018.sched.com/sponsor/iec_laboratories.1y79x6bz (https://freedomfest2018.sched.com/sponsor/iec_laboratories.1y79x6bz)
 
Welcome to "Where Is the Voice of Reason?" FreedomFest 2018 July 11 - 14 2018 Paris Resort Las Vegas. You are part of "the greatest libertarian show on earth." Enjoy three and half days full of learning, sharing, networking and growing the liberty movement, together!
 
 
Inductance Energy Corporation
 Inductance Energy Corporation in 2018 will complete the first commercial installations of the Danzik Magnetic Propulsion Engine – The Earth Engine. These patent-pending, 7.5-kilowatt to 25-kilowatt engines produce power through the applied science of magnetic propulsion, delivering 2,500 to over 25,000 pounds of reactive magnetic pressure to produce emissionless power for pumping, compressors, air conditioning, and electrical energy. After eight years of laboratory development, under management of noted engineer Dennis M. Danzik, the Earth Engine is now being installed in four key western States during 2018. IEC will be demonstrating commercial models of the Earth Engine at FreedomFest. .
 Chet
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: F6FLT on March 14, 2019, 06:58:38 PM
Be careful
- they have a video calling for investissors
- they have a video "imagine a clean world, without pollution thanks to us, blah, blah, blah",  it's a recurrent conditioning of the visitor that we see in all scams with this type of machine.
- the technical explanation provided does not hold water: they tell us that it is not a perpetual motion machine because the magnets at the origin of the energy lose their magnetism in a few years. But the energy required to magnetize a magnet is billions of times lower than the energy they say the machine will produce over the same number of years!
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: shylo on March 15, 2019, 08:33:26 AM
Yes I read about their machine on  their site it doesn't make sense
to use only the repulsive force. Any successful machine would

surely use attraction and repulsion at the same time.
artv
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Acca on March 18, 2019, 06:33:10 PM
This is not a "scam" !!!


This company has made a merger with Quatum the shares are about 14 US cents..  These guys are trying to go through the public route and so far the valuation is 50 million so IEC will pay 30 million for 60 % of Quantum shares.
The insiders are buying the shares so in the in the distant future they will promote the hell of this technology to the uneducated masses  and blowout the shares that they have bought at a bottom feeder level..


So now the question is will the oil and gas and etc...Allow this to happen ? Or will this be  a set up to destroy the investors confidence an call it perpetual motion SCAM.. As the World only believes "god scientists"..


I think these guys are going to be destroyed... This will never be allowed to happen...


And that will be the end of them...


Acca...
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ramset on March 18, 2019, 08:20:40 PM
I have been busy and have not called Gary Vesperman yet ,he is an old timer in the FE community based out of Vegas now  , and he does shows on Free energy and all manner of associated techs in Las Vegas all the time .will certainly call him this week and report back.[maybe he or an associate can do an interview]
respectfully  Chet

Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Acca on March 20, 2019, 07:01:33 PM
So if this generator is the first one, then how did get this company get it's funding to set up this operation....?..
As this company has a very low penetration on the web.. who knows about them?
Keeping a very low exposure to the public may be a benefit as it is a contradiction to be a public owned company..
A stock grab by the insiders may be in the works as it is 14 cents...And a massive promotion will follow to spike the
the shares to a demand pool thereby followed by a massive sell off to get back all the work that expended by the principles..


Soo.. the question is what is the possible route that this will follow...??


Free energy generator for the military and governmental organizations or an utter collapse after the profits where
executed.. and  destruction...by scientists who will deny that this is possible and a  hoax will be stopped....


Just thoughts and opinions.. However the principles and the energy device is real and a great threat to World
energy cartels..  All it takes is just one black swan to prove that it is possible to have a flock of free energy devices out there...


Interesting that there was no response by you who read this overunity forum...


Acca..





Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Temporal Visitor on March 20, 2019, 11:58:19 PM
So if this generator is the first one, then how did get this company get it's funding to set up this operation....?..
As this company has a very low penetration on the web.. who knows about them?
Keeping a very low exposure to the public may be a benefit as it is a contradiction to be a public owned company..
A stock grab by the insiders may be in the works as it is 14 cents...And a massive promotion will follow to spike the
the shares to a demand pool thereby followed by a massive sell off to get back all the work that expended by the principles..


Soo.. the question is what is the possible route that this will follow...??


Free energy generator for the military and governmental organizations or an utter collapse after the profits where
executed.. and  destruction...by scientists who will deny that this is possible and a  hoax will be stopped....


Just thoughts and opinions.. However the principles and the energy device is real and a great threat to World
energy cartels..  All it takes is just one black swan to prove that it is possible to have a flock of free energy devices out there...


Interesting that there was no response by you who read this overunity forum...


Acca..

Yes it is interesting but pretty much to be expected and for a multitude of reasons people OF this world don't care to discuss.

Instead let logic and reason be your guide: Without knowledge of what energy IS - people OF this world have no knowledge of what they NEED to look for to be able to find the elusive "free energy". They think they know what they WANT and chase after that blinded by their own ignorance.

They can see only that which they WANT to see - and walk on by all the rest with self imposed limited vision.

Perhaps what follows will help illuminate a very real problem faced by those OF this world claiming to be "human beings" possessed with scientific minds (LOL) which possess:

NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT ENERGY IS.

“It is important to realize in physics today we have no knowledge of what energy is.” – Richard Feynman

{pragmatism ON}

That is a statement of fact from a now deceased highly degreed expert in the science of physics.
It is compelling evidence that stands as truth which can be overcome only by other better evidence.
It is evidence that those claiming to be experts in physics are not experts on subjects involving energy.

Accepting Mr. Feynman’s statement of fact as true reasonably leads to the conclusion that people deemed to be experts in physics cannot be considered both authoritative experts and admittedly have NO KNOWLEDGE of what energy is at the same time.
The logical extension of the above leads to exposure of rampant scientific fraud that ripples throughout civilization as it is today.

That “…. Energy and Matter cannot be created nor destroyed ….” is taught to children and adults the world over as law and fact by teachers typically having lesser credentials than Mr. Feynman and those in physics all of which who have no knowledge of what energy is. Which amounts to having received an education from another who has also no knowledge of what energy is, and they are getting paid for supposedly teaching information that people need to improve their knowledge and life. (It is constructive fraud ab intio.)

The point I am trying to impress upon people is that until such time as people come to grips with the fact that you also are without exacting knowledge of WHAT ENERGY IS, you are simply rolling dice hoping to win. Unfortunately the dice are loaded in a game that is rigged to take everything you will ever have to lose, scientifically.

Fortunately: “It does not require many words to speak the truth.” – Chief Joseph

Energy is merely a word.
 
Beyond energy being just a word; anyone can understand precisely what energy is when they can complete this simple, 100% pragmatic four word sentence; as a statement of irrefutable fact.

Energy is ______  ______  .

Moreover, when this 100% pragmatic nine word sentence, also as a statement of fact is completed they will be well on their way to know the how, what, where, when and why of energy, all energy for that matter, and much more irrefutably.   

All Energy is ______  ______  ______  ______  ______  ______  .

Michael {/pragmatism off}

I "know" very little beyond what I am.

Giving you fish will not teach you to feed yourself.

Nor will academia, science, law, politics, ideology, religion, world views, etc. ever CONvert lies and ignorance to knowledge.

World energy cartels are not in the energy business at all. They are in the CONVERSION business; converting others wealth into theirs by selling products people mistake for energy, such as oil products, nuclear products, natural gas products etc. - all of which are what they really already are; fuels they take from the Earth at only the cost of production and sell at a profit, legally.
Guided by teams of shysters that assist them in cleverly skirting prosecution and take down for fraud. After all: "energy and Matter cannot be created ...." but people buy that BS also.
Living an illusion IS by choice.

Take that for what you will but understand this: To find whatever one might search for, one needs first to know what it IS that they seek. Truth is not relative.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Acca on March 21, 2019, 05:09:57 PM
WoW I was not expecting all that !!


....and thank you very much for such a fine well thought out response as it was very shocking  that Western teaching
is at odds with the reality of proof of concept..  Like as you have seen the in the top of the links of this thread...


I was in oil exploration as well as gas and now in the magnetic application based mfg.. So I have also proof that
energy is not understood, conservation of energy is not conserved.


I will post greater response as that you deserve that...


Acca..
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Acca on March 22, 2019, 09:35:03 AM
 So here is the latest posts about the “free energy machine” from Indictance Energy Corporation.. link provide below as blog post is quite extensive about this interesting story by an insider of : Karl Walsh investor in Earth Engine..
“In fact, the first installation in Las Vegas has been operational since January and accepts visitors. Upcoming motors will soon be powering a dairy farm outside Salt Lake City and a remote oil well near Farmington, NM. The company is not being secretive. They are well-financed, are busy building out a large infrastructure to support the installation and 24/7 monitoring of thousands of motors worldwide, and see no benefit to seeking publicity at this time.”
 
 
https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/ (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/)
ps the large photo is NOT reduced to show the device as it is so far the only one...

 Acca..[/font]
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ramset on March 22, 2019, 10:39:11 AM
I forgot Dansie has an office in Las Vegas ,I see they have a principle [Walsh?] interacting at his forum.seems the dollars are on the table for a full Monty investigation somewhere ??
Will Call Mark to see where that goes
ACCA's link again

https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/ (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/)
 Chet




Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Acca on March 23, 2019, 12:32:27 AM
So here is the "techo-babble" as to the official explanation of "HOW THE MACHINE WORKS"...

Re-posted...


Flagship Product – The Earth Engine
The Earth Engine uses the rotary motion of a large flywheel mass (4,500 to 6,500 pounds) to induce a spin in a power ring that can produce a powerful magnetic force of up to 30,000 pounds. Think of this force as two magnets with two similar fields (North to North or South to South) “pushing” against one another.
We measure these forces at one-centimeter distance from one “fuel” segment (imbalanced magnet) to the other segment. We use the term fuel to describe our magnetic shapes, instead of the word magnet due to the fact that we imbalance the magnetic force and we do not use the attraction side of the magnetic field.
Let it be understood that IEC fuel is a depleting fuel source. In other words, over a period of time, the magnetic potential (strength) weakens over a period of many years. This magnetic potential is where the kinetic energy is gained in Magnetic Propulsion.
We “push” the large mass by controlling the magnetic field. When the two opposing fuel sources (magnetic fields) driving the flywheel mass are in the correct position, the Engine fires a small electromagnetic charge measuring about 52-watts. This charge allows the opposing fuel sources to “see” each other, and can produce significant force to spin the large flywheel mass. This rotating mass inertia is then transferred via separate magnetic coupling to a generator which produces electrical energy. This power can also be used mechanically. (Source: https://ie.energy/about.html (https://ie.energy/about.html))
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: stivep on March 23, 2019, 01:58:24 PM
Here is my take on it:

This is their advertisement
Quote
Innovative, breakthrough technologies in the applied science of magnetism
Product design, development and engineering
Intellectual property and phased plan for patent filings
World class manufacturing and supply chain management
Led by an experienced senior management team, IEC and its flagship technologies are poised to revolutionize and fulfill the growing global demand for energy.

this is reality:
Quote
IEC has multiple patentable innovations, but will file patents in the United States and other countries as necessary to protect trade secrets for as long as possible.
These patents will be based on observable intellectual property, and all other IP will be held as trade secrets for as long as is deemed prudent. As of August 2018, IEC has filed two US patent applications as well as three trademark applications.
So they have :
- empty production  room~1800 sq meters (16200 sq ft)  with one manual lathe  maximum $25000 and 3 other pieces on machinery maximum $12000 ( used)
- rental  of   production space  is ~$4700 per month ( between 2500 and 7800  per month /depends/  in US)
-no patents and no published  yet patent application.
-trademark protected observable intellectual property
-protected trade secrets
-two  applications that will be for 1.5 year ( if i remember correctly) not accessible to the public

evaluation:
-Flywheel have not been shown under load.
-magnet doesn't give anything out and plays by its own rules as closed in within itself system.
-demagnetization  of the magnet  equals energy spend  to magnetize the domains (- earth magnets are already magnetized but must be formed)
-energy stored in flywheel  equals  energy used at the output.
-this is  America not Russia scam is punishable sooner or later.So closer look must be taken to
 grey boarder where corporate rights to form entity and close entity must NOT be associated   with fraud.
 This is  also  the statue of limitation of their corporation  and  any other corporation that may join them.
-the first sign of scam  is immediate payments of profits to team /owners in form of payroll in big numbers.
-small  amount of machinery required to make it indicates need for  space 20 times  smaller than showed on video. 
-lack of milling machine  indicates that  none of the devices have been made in shown in  video facility.   
- the owner is  old  and in  this  age it is unlikely that someone starts  manufacturing that takes years to double profit.
  so it is clear that money must come fast and now.
  That entity is NOT YET WELL FINANCED!!!!
  Money from shares if there are shares ( check  Bloomberg  to find out) goes to support early stage of technology.

They say this is no perpetual motion machine:
SO WHAT ENERGY COMES FROM?
They say this is no perpetual overunity  machine:
SO WHAT ADDITIONAL ENERGY COMES FROM?
They say this energy comes from  demagnetization of the magnets  in the  machine:
SHOULD THEY SAY : LOSS OF MAGNETIZATION  IN FLYWHEEL MAGNETS IS  AN ADDITION TO OVERALL LOSSES ??
===============================================================
 no patents and no certainty of  getting one means that today any buyer can replicate it in small  scale and
40kw divided by 40  = 1kW per 1/40th of mass.
==============================================================
They  are exactly  in Tariel Kapanadze  , Akula, Ruslan  position.
from the time they (will) sale the first device they will lose any chance  to any patent protection.
the device will be than replicated , sold to others for less and others will replicate it and sale it  for much less.
than the device will become commodity.
That is why Tariel has no buyers .

So their  plan is to get money from "investors" in form of shares.
But any real investor  or shareholder  will have access to public data   public  yearly report of  that corporation.

Wesley
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ramset on March 23, 2019, 02:50:33 PM
To My knowledge
nothing is for sale ,they just sell electricity ,similar to Rossi business model. Here is where they say the gain comes from [or similar] .
  https://m.phys.org/news/2018-11-defy-19th-century-law-physics.html (https://m.phys.org/news/2018-11-defy-19th-century-law-physics.html)
Snip
Dr. Jordi Prat-Camps, a research fellow at the University of Sussex, has for the first time demonstrated that the coupling between two magnetic elements can be made extremely asymmetrical. Working with colleagues from the Austrian Academy of Sciences and University of Innsbruck, Dr. Prat-Camps' research rips up the physics rule book by showing it is possible to make one magnet connect to another without the connection happening in the opposite direction. End snip

----------------------------------------so they sell electric not units...no electricity = no income for company.
Again Acca's link to Mark Dansies Revolution Green forum where Member Karl Walsh seems quite familiar with operating MO [in discussion below article at link]  https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/   (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/)I believe Walsh interacts due to Dansie [link above] having offices in Las vegas
TO NOTE: MARK DANSIE IS NOTORIOUS SKEPTIC IN THESE FORUMS. bringing this to his house [Revolution Green forum] is quite bold.

 Also they are setting up aquarium demonstration too ,suspended in Lexan running something ..as well as independent 3rd party Lab testing .
and yes .... the real money/income probably will arrive from investor strategy... not selling electricity ...for quite some time.   IMO They should bring it to high electrical cost areas first  [NY/ New England approaches .35 KW Las Vegas commercial rate 8.43 KWH...that is fishy IMO , if your business model is making money on selling electricity ...why start in cheapest part of country first ?  other areas scheduled for units are also in Cheap KWH areas?   odd


also I have mentioned this to Russ from RWG research who is also in Las vegas .... for possible feedback .
////Chet K  PS seems a worldwide press release is coming in April ?
   
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Temporal Visitor on March 23, 2019, 04:28:20 PM
To My knowledge

TO NOTE: MARK DANSIE IS NOTORIOUS SKEPTIC IN THESE FORUMS. bringing this to his house [Revolution Green forum] is quite bold.
 

 Bold? Up until a few days ago it was listed under BUNK, where it had been previously (for years). Noticed it was changed.

The site is infested with "notorious skeptics" - none of which have any knowledge of WHAT ENERGY IS.

Although perhaps Simon might ... he seems to be quite bright, and very resistant to simple truth.

The skeptic comments on RG are amusing: a favorite is between NGEpro (aka memoryman) and Mr. Walsh who shut him down nicely. LOL
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ramset on March 23, 2019, 06:37:21 PM
I suppose if you can make money selling electricity to the cheapest KWH markets...then the world is your Oyster regardless the definition ?
I personally like it very much that they are at Dansie's forum .... an "in your face" approach hopefully as transparent as possible when testing a 6000 lb motor which could probably hold 7 million Panasonic [Tesla EV] batteries.
Snip
According to Tesla’s own specs, the new Powerpack 2 weighs 1622 kg and has an energy capacity of 210 kWh for a pack level energy density of 130 Wh/kg.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: HiggsField on March 23, 2019, 06:55:51 PM



This company has made a merger with Quatum the shares are about 14 US cents..   
 


@ACCA What is the stock symbol please for this company?

OK found the details: (OTC Pink:QEGY)

Bit too close to QEG (Quantum Energy Generator) for my likeing though!!
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Temporal Visitor on March 23, 2019, 08:46:09 PM
I suppose if you can make money selling electricity to the cheapest KWH markets...then the world is your Oyster regardless the definition ?
I personally like it very much that they are at Dansie's forum .... an "in your face" approach hopefully as transparent as possible when testing a 6000 lb motor which could probably hold 7 million Panasonic [Tesla EV] batteries.
Snip
According to Tesla’s own specs, the new Powerpack 2 weighs 1622 kg and has an energy capacity of 210 kWh for a pack level energy density of 130 Wh/kg.

Good reply, great points as admittedly I did not think of the "in your face" aspect of it.

I have no issue with the RG crowd attempting to debunk cold hard reality of coming across the physical equivalent of a Unicorn. They are the right people for the task. In fact I'll find it quite humorous win or lose.

It would be even better if they lay the $50K down suggested very fairly by Mr. Walsh rather than the measly 10K memoryman (aka NGEpro on RG) offered in the event he was wrong and is unable to DEMONSTRATE it is not what they claim. - Maybe then they might have the "chance" to have the looksee he asked for. (copy and paste citation available upon popular demand)

But they aren't going to find batteries.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: F6FLT on March 24, 2019, 12:56:06 PM
...
The site is infested with "notorious skeptics" - none of which have any knowledge of WHAT ENERGY IS.
...

What energy "is", is a quasi-religious issue. In scientific matters, only operational definitions are necessary, as the underlying reality, if it exists, is not accessible. Science only models what we observe. Energy is the product of a force by a displacement length. That's enough.
The question of the intrinsic existence of energy is a metaphysical question which, moreover, imho, makes no sense because it mixes very disparate realities.
By removing metaphysics, and sticking to facts and observations instead of fuzzy ideas of what things would be or not, skeptics create science and technology, while magic thought has never produced anything. When the skeptics will say that free energy is being observed, we will know that all the right questions have been asked and verified, and that free energy is almost certainly a reality. Not before.

Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 25, 2019, 10:34:58 PM
This sems to be a brilliant motor, if it is true, what is claimed...
I have extracted all the pictures from Mr. Karl Walsh, who is an investor in this motorand has posted some pictures of it across multiple Discuss user groups....
So as he put them out already into the public domain, I guess it is okay to have them also stored here all in ONE place...


Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 25, 2019, 11:14:02 PM
We really need  a few people here. who have seen the motor in operation. Please post first hand reports.
I don´t think, that this is a scam...A scam in this size would look different.
Also they don´t sell these machines, but only lease them to companies and sell them the power...
This way a scam does not work...
Also the guys behind it, especially the boss Mr. Hinz would loose too much if he would be caught as a scammer...
William Hinz, Chief Executive Officer
Retired as president and CEO of Allied Signal Aerospace. Managing nearly 45 billion in annual revenues, and tens of thousands of employees.
Additional post retirement board and executive positions at Vodavi (CEO), McDonnel Douglas Helicopter (CEO) Northwest Airlines (COO). As well Mr. Hinz has served on the board of Arizona State University.
Mr. Hinz has ran business operations in Europe, the Far East, and throughout the Americas during his more than 50 year career in aerospace and technology.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: shylo on March 26, 2019, 02:19:41 AM
Pretty pictures

Looks like 2 different machines to me.
The rotors don't mean squat , It's how they use the fields.
Conserving the charge is what is needed.
artv
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: lumen on March 26, 2019, 06:04:10 AM
I have doubts from their description of operation and the more they say the more doubts I have.
It would be nice to have something like this working, but it's overly complicated and appears not well understood even by the builders.

I hope I'm wrong!
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 26, 2019, 09:31:21 AM
Karl Walsh said:
Yeah, and the businesses installing the motor, like the one in Las Vegas, are also in on the scam?
 FYI the next IEC investor round is at quarter billion dollar valuation. Yes that’s a ‘B’.

Can you think of anything less appealing to an investor than forking over a huge sum of money for a teeny-tiny piece of a risky start-up?

If you’re a scammer you keep the valuation low to attract the fish.

And do you really think the CEO who is former boss of AlliedSignal aerospace and McDonnell Douglas Helicopters is going to risk his life’s reputation on some two-bit hustle that would  force him to say goodbye to his grandkids, and buy a fake passport, a blond wig and a one-way ticket to Rio?

Never mind the other two-dozen plus hardworking staff at IEC who would also have to be complicit.

I’m the one who told people the Wall St Journal, because I was there the entire day hosting the reporter.

And I’m the one who contacted WSJ in the first place. The Page One editor happens to be a friend of 35 yrs.

When I told him about the motor back in Sept he laughed in my face and asked for some of whatever I was smoking.

But I kept on him and eventually he passed the info on to another editor, who asked a reporter already visiting Scottsdale to investigate.

This Pulitzer-prize winner fortunately had an impressive knowledge base of physics and motor-propulsion, and arrived as skeptical as can be.

Don’t worry about the story being behind a pay-wall. I will risk violating the law and will copy/paste it here.

And the only thing I demanded of the reporter was ‘PLEASE do NOT publish it on April 1!’
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 26, 2019, 09:35:10 AM
Karl said to my proposal to do a good new video with loads shown:
That’s a good idea Stefan.

I will see them this Friday and will try to remember to bring it up.

However we both know that no matter what an undoctored video might shows however, many of the folks here will cry ‘fraud!’

Which is fine, because the only folks IEC cares about convincing are the end users who sign the PPA agreement.

But what will the skeptics say after motors have been installed at 30 businesses and there are 30 happy biz owners?

That will be a satisfying moment indeed.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 26, 2019, 09:37:48 AM
    Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)      Regarding your astute comment about installing the motor in places with cheap electricity, the biz plan is indeed to start by going after the low-hanging fruit, ie the most expensive electricity areas such as the Oil Sands region in Canada, Puerto Rico, Hawaii and other islands where a kW can cost 50+ cents. Those areas (plus many others) will hopefully have local manufacturing facilities operational by next year.
          Yes this is a monopole. For years the inventor called it ‘asymmetrical’ because he couldn’t completely eliminate one side. But recently he finally succeeded. So now you understand it. And no, it’s not a Hallbach Array. This has been discussed in-depth with the inventor, and it was in fact the first question posed to him recently by a highly-knowledgeable journalist. My scientist friend knows about Arrays, and the reason he joked that he ‘felt physically ill’ last week was the realization he was experiencing a real-life monopole. He just shook his head and said ‘I can’t believe it.’         Sure thing. Asymmetrical means one side is at 100% strength and the other side is effectively 0%. Gently moving the razor blade allows you to feel both the strength and size limits of the magnetic field. Hovering above the magnet, the blade is violently pulled to its surface. When placed just below the magnet the blade simply drops to the floor. This asymmetry, combined with a highly sophisticated ‘lens’ effect, causes the flywheel to continually be pushed, pushed, pushed without any of the corresponding (and cancelling) pull, pull, pull that other magnets would experience. The inventor calls it the ‘Slingshot Effect,’ because the idea came to him many years ago while reading about a Jupiter mission where the spacecraft increased its speed by 10x using the gravitational pull of the planet. (Yes, it’s not the exact same ‘slingshot’ principle at play here, it’s just what he calls it.)
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 26, 2019, 09:41:19 AM
Another comment from Karl:

You talk about previous magnet motors like they’re similar to this one.

In fact never before have there been rare earth magnets with asymmetrical polarity.

You gloss over it like it’s no big deal, when in fact it’s the game-changer.

Seeing this freakish phenomenon in action on so many occasions is one of the main things that convinced me to invest.
Here’s a pic of my scientist friend holding a steel razor blade to test the asymmetrical field of the rare earth ‘fuel’.

He told me he ‘almost felt physically ill’ to experience first-hand a phenomenon he had thought was impossible.

While I’m no techie, I’ve been privy to sit in on several high-level conversations amongst experts who have closely examined the motor.

And it always come down to this: ‘There is something happening at the quantum level that has yet to be understood.’
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 26, 2019, 03:55:42 PM
P.S. About the shrink wrapped motor:
This is he latest Earth Engine off the assembly line, shrink-wrapped and palletized and awaiting delivery to a Phoenix, AZ furniture manufacturer.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: HiggsField on March 26, 2019, 08:58:43 PM
So you are saying that IEC has created the first rare earth true monople magnet?
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 27, 2019, 12:05:50 AM
So you are saying that IEC has created the first rare earth true monople magnet?
Yes, seems to be simular, but I guess they are working with shielding and gears...
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 27, 2019, 12:06:33 AM
 Karl Walsh added: (https://disq.us/url?impression=683826d8-4fda-11e9-9ec8-002590f37afe&thread=7295937835&forum=2514349&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdisqus.com%2Fby%2Fdisqus_nRIc9SP37D%2F%3Futm_source%3Dreply%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_content%3Dcomment_author%3ANctGtAVob_XJl-gBqoGmCJ2TsHc&variant=active&experiment=digests&behavior=click&post=4396557725&type=notification.post.registered&event=email)  It’s not odd at all. The first customers for the motors are friends and their network of associates. The first installations are not to make profits. They are to test the motor in real world settings to iron out any bugs. The IEC folks live in AZ and NV so that’s where the first motors are going in. One is currently being installed at a furniture factory in Phoenix, followed by an automated dairy operation near Salt Lake City, then a fish farm in WY, and also a remote oil well near Farmington, NM. The company’s HQ facility includes a control room capable of remotely monitoring over 2,000 motors around the world. These first installs aren’t even a tiny drop in the bucket of what’s to come.[/font]
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: jojo500 on March 27, 2019, 01:57:09 PM
i'd say let them do the planed test installs and  wait  how this turns out. If they realy install 20-30 units ,
we will hear about it i think. Non the less not much on the technical side to look at the moment.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 27, 2019, 10:22:59 PM
Karl added:

Yes, there are three operational demo motors at their 40,000sf Scottsdale facility, and several more being assembled for commercial installation soon. They’ve let many hundreds of people see the motors, including a group of Wash DC politicians who will see it this Friday. That said, IEC runs a tight ship in a secure environment, and they just don’t let in anyone who knocks on the door. If you own a large biz and are a potential customer, or you’re an investor, they’ll show you around. But if you’re just a curious lookyloo, they don’t have time for that.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 27, 2019, 10:24:04 PM
Karl added:

It’s only logical the first customers for the motors are friends and their network of associates. How would someone in the remote oil sands of Canada hear if the motor? The first installations are not About making money. They are to test the motor in real world spplicatiobs to iron out the bugs. The IEC folks live in AZ and NV so that’s where the first motors are going in. One is currently being installed at a furniture factory in Phoenix, followed by an automated dairy operation near Salt Lake City, then a fish farm in WY, and then a remote oil well near Farmington, NM. The company headquarters includes a control room capable of cloud-based monitoring of 2,000+ motors worldwide. These first test installs aren’t even a tiny drop in the bucket of what’s to come.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 27, 2019, 10:25:26 PM
Karl added:

Others here have stated that a monopole magnet could indeed create such an amazing motor. Do you disagree and, if so, why? The Slingshot analogy is only that the asymmetrical magnets pass each other and propel the flywheel to ever greater speeds. You can repeat until your ears turn blue that the magnets don’t have enough power, but the fact is they do, and it is so easily provable. Would like a piece of the wager that I’m hopefully going to make with ngepro? The more the merrier!
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 27, 2019, 10:37:09 PM
  Stefan Hartmann:

  Hi Karl,many thanks for all the reports and all your pictures.,
Don´t fall for all the annoying skeptics...these are mostly "keyboard acrobats"..lol..
Maybe you can convince the company to release a new video, where they will show a real 10 to 25 KWatts load like a lamp bulb bank being powered by the motor. That would be really great..
Many thanks in advance.Regards, Stefan. 
  Karl Walsh:  That’s a good idea Stefan. I will see them this Friday and will try to remember to bring it up. However we both know that no matter what an undoctored video might shows however, many of the folks here will cry ‘fraud!’ Which is fine, because the only folks IEC cares about convincing are the end users who sign the PPA agreement. But what will the skeptics say after motors have been installed at 30 businesses and there are 30 happy biz owners? That will be a satisfying moment indeed.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 27, 2019, 11:20:09 PM
Here is another witness:


Hi Matt.  I can tell that you do have a great deal of knowledge when it comes to this topic and I resepect that.  It must be quite frustrating when you see “another scam” come along. 
I have some sincere questions for you and I don’t ask them to be argumentative or in an attempt to lead you anywhere.  So please accept them at face value, understanding that unfortunately I am NOT an expert in the field of magnets. 
Firstly, if a monopole magnet did exist, would the Earth Engine be possible?
And secondly, would it be possible to fake a monopole magnet?
I ask these questions because they were my starting point when I was first exposed to the Earth Engine.  After signing the NDA I watched video demo’s of a monopole magnet.   While what I saw was mind boggling, I have become quite cauloused in this world of fake boobs (had to throw that in) and Hollywood movie trickery,  and I was still somewhat disbelieving.   Then I saw the in-person demo’s using a monopole magnet and a razor blade.  Karl shared a picture from a similar  demo, and described perfectly the same thing I witnessed.  I didn’t actually manipulate the razor blade—it seemed unnecessary given what I was seeing.  I was in a group of about twelve people who are much, much brighter than I am, and part of what I witnessed was them asking Dennis to do things I hadn’t thought to ask, and also they themselves experimenting with the razor blade and magnet.
During the demo I looked around the room and noticed many jaws were on the ground.  One well-dressed engineer from India whose accent I could barely understand, simply stared, chin in hand, eyes big as saucers.  The look on some faces was akin to that of an atheist who was actually seeing the face of God. 
Because many brilliant people have been duped over the years, I’m somewhat embarrassed to admit that that experience of seeing the demo first-hand, and witnessing a group of brilliant minds experiencing the same “what the..???” feelings I was experiencing,  is what caused me to write a fatter check than I originally had in mind. 
It is still hard for me to believe, and at times I question my basis for making my investment (that this really is different because of the monopole magnet!)
And so, after all that blah, blah, blah I ask again—
1. If a monopole magnet existed would it open your mind to the EE’s veracity?
2.  Can you conceive of a way a monopole magnet could be easily faked?
Thanks Matt.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Acca on March 28, 2019, 08:10:42 AM
Here is my VIDEO to showing how the magnetism works in the IEC generator..

 Video title is "Magnet Flux Block for IEC Earth Engine"

 
Script under my video is posted here also:

Making magnets that are NOT bi-polar as in conventional way it is possible to make magnets behave in unconventional way. IEC has a different method as the magnets have flux only on one side. The flux is routed as not escaping  beyond contained area..  Science is missing the macro method and only focusing on micro flux method of writing magnetic domains such as "spinwaves" on micro-scale..
As conventional "electro-dynamic" model also says that magnetism is all the same, electrical generated magnetism is VERY different from a permanent magnetic flux... Magnetic spin is found only in  permanent magnets. Some permanent magnets have multi-spin vortexes depending on the elemental composition.
 
Link to My Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksltXUWRvh4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksltXUWRvh4)
 
Acca
ps screen shots of video
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: lancaIV on March 28, 2019, 01:39:09 PM
   Orientation/polarization change, by production process or electromagnetic switching (on demand )


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=4&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19870908&CC=US&NR=4692732A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=4&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19870908&CC=US&NR=4692732A&KC=A#)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19690218&CC=US&NR=3428867A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19690218&CC=US&NR=3428867A&KC=A#)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=19&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19770825&CC=DE&NR=2644927A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=19&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19770825&CC=DE&NR=2644927A1&KC=A1#)


https://tesla3.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/zpe_hilden_brand_valve.gif
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 29, 2019, 07:03:29 PM
Here is my VIDEO to showing how the magnetism works in the IEC generator..

 Video title is "Magnet Flux Block for IEC Earth Engine"

 
Script under my video is posted here also:

Making magnets that are NOT bi-polar as in conventional way it is possible to make magnets behave in unconventional way. IEC has a different method as the magnets have flux only on one side. The flux is routed as not escaping  beyond contained area..  Science is missing the macro method and only focusing on micro flux method of writing magnetic domains such as "spinwaves" on micro-scale..
As conventional "electro-dynamic" model also says that magnetism is all the same, electrical generated magnetism is VERY different from a permanent magnetic flux... Magnetic spin is found only in  permanent magnets. Some permanent magnets have multi-spin vortexes depending on the elemental composition.
 
Link to My Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksltXUWRvh4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksltXUWRvh4)
 
Acca
ps screen shots of video

Hi Acca, the only thing in my view, what you shown, is that you you magnetized these iron cylinders with more field strength, so they have now remanence and behave now as single weak bar magnets...You did this just by closing the magnetic circle....

The IEC Earth Engine is build differently... just had a closer look again at their website and they have a total of 4 discs, the upper 2 spin rightways and the lower 2 discs spin leftways around... Between these 2 pairs sit 90 degree wheels that rotate in a 90 degree plane and probably have magnets in itsself and are probably geared somehow to the other discs, so the upper and lower 2 pair of discs with the magnets repell all each other all in total...
All further analysation has to wait until we will get clearer videos.... Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 29, 2019, 07:59:57 PM
Karl added:

They didn’t want any testing experts snooping around until all the IP was filed.  Now that has all happened they will be doing the testing very soon.  They are much more focused on installing the motors however. For that is the ultimate proof, that it performs in a real world commercial setting. And they are currently producing one motor per week, which is no easy feat considering each motor is comprised of 1,422 separate parts – – all made in house.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 29, 2019, 08:16:41 PM
Karl added this:

 I’ve heard a second motor in Vegas is now operational, with #6 being installed any day now at a furniture factory in Phoenix. Last week I posted this photo of the motor shrink-wrapped, palletized and awaiting the delivery truck.

Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: HiggsField on March 29, 2019, 09:53:18 PM
Here is my VIDEO to showing how the magnetism works in the IEC generator..

 Video title is "Magnet Flux Block for IEC Earth Engine"

 
Script under my video is posted here also:

Making magnets that are NOT bi-polar as in conventional way it is possible to make magnets behave in unconventional way. IEC has a different method as the magnets have flux only on one side. The flux is routed as not escaping  beyond contained area..  Science is missing the macro method and only focusing on micro flux method of writing magnetic domains such as "spinwaves" on micro-scale..
As conventional "electro-dynamic" model also says that magnetism is all the same, electrical generated magnetism is VERY different from a permanent magnetic flux... Magnetic spin is found only in  permanent magnets. Some permanent magnets have multi-spin vortexes depending on the elemental composition.
 
Link to My Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksltXUWRvh4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksltXUWRvh4)
 
Acca
ps screen shots of video


Here is my posting about your video posted on E-Cat


This video is total rubbish! I'm annoyed with myself because I actually watched this thing to the end. He says nothing, nothing at all. First, he spends most of the video demonstrating that the magnetic field is flowing through the two steel keepers. What did he expect? Second, he lightly magnetizes two steel rods and is amazed that turned one way they attract and when turned the other they lightly repeal each other. No monopoles here. Amazing how 100+ years of science missed this? Guass just did a full roll in his grave.

It's quite possible that IEC may have found a way to build an asymmetric (or monopolar) magnet per the Sussex University work. I have an open mind on this.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 29, 2019, 10:41:25 PM
Karl added:

 I first met the Earth Engine folks at a conference in Las Vegas last July. If it was a scam, I thought it was very ballsy of them to show it in public like that. They’ve now displayed the motor at three public trade-shows in Vegas and Orlando. In a public convention convention with thick concrete floors, there is literally no way to drill holes for secret power cables. Everything about the motor was in plain view—except for the brains contained in a little black box they call the ‘accelerator.’ Some of you think the IEC scam must be to collect investors money and then leave town. What I haven’t mentioned here is the first motors are being installed in  companies owned by investors. So that would mean investors are defrauding themselves? That doesn’t make any sense. Next scam theory, anyone?
Thanks, but I’m not aware of any red flags to the business model. And I’ve been a pretty successful businessman. Yesterday they met with a large supermarket chain which wants to go green and save money. Tell me how this chain is going to get ripped off. I understand you cannot wrap your head around the idea that the motor actually works, and the executive team are both brilliant and honest people. That’s okay. There’s been a motor running commercially in Las Vegas since January. The biz is owned by a wealthy IEC investor. He says he’s happy with the performance to date. Why on earth would he lie and defraud himself? That would defy common sense. Oh, and 5-figure investments are not accepted. Conquering the world takes a big operation and big bucks.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 29, 2019, 10:43:09 PM
Karl added:

They didn’t want any testing experts snooping around until all the IP was filed.  Now that has all happened they will be doing the testing very soon.  They are much more focused on installing the motors however. For that is the ultimate proof, that it performs in a real world commercial setting. And they are currently producing one motor per week, which is no easy feat considering each motor is comprised of 1,422 separate parts – – all made in house.
Of course there are test results. They have been doing load testing for several years. Sorry if I came across was rude, that wasn’t my intention. What they are doing very soon is much-needed independent testing. And you are very correct in pointing out that I’m not a scientist or salesman. I am simply passing on info to you folks because it is fun. And if it becomes a drag, of if you want me to stop, I’ll be happy to. And they don’t need money, as they recently concluded a successful 8-figure funding round. The next round, assuming it’s even needed, will be at a 9-figure valuation ($100MM+).
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 29, 2019, 10:46:06 PM
Karl added:Thanks, but I’m not aware of any red flags to the business model. And I’ve been a pretty successful businessman. Yesterday they met with a large supermarket chain which wants to go green and save money. Tell me how this chain is going to get ripped off. I understand you cannot wrap your head around the idea that the motor actually works, and the executive team are both brilliant and honest people. That’s okay. There’s been a motor running commercially in Las Vegas since January. The biz is owned by a wealthy IEC investor. He says he’s happy with the performance to date. Why on earth would he lie and defraud himself? That would defy common sense. Oh, and 5-figure investments are not accepted. Conquering the world takes a big operation and big bucks.
 Sorry but it’d just look too weird if suddenly I start showing up with all these testing gadgets. My aerospace friend will soon be doing several days of sequestered, lockdown testing to get definitive measurements on everything. The friend is well-acquainted with flywheels and neodymiums which are used in his satellite projects. And since the monopole effect completely blew his mind, I’m sure he’ll be closely examining the magnetic fields as well.
       
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 29, 2019, 11:19:06 PM
I had another closer look at the first video from Las Vegas over here:

https://youtu.be/XZkuteW_Q9k?t=19 (https://youtu.be/XZkuteW_Q9k?t=19)
Well they said somehow "it has an electrical  demand of 7 day KWatt" ??
Or did I misunderstood this ?
Does it mean 7 KWatthours per day for the shooting range container ?
Also now I understood what they meant with the "parasitric load" of 400-600 Watts,that is just a load on the motor to generate this power via a generator to charge up the starter battery.
 This battery is needed , if the motor needs to be stopped and
to drive it back up to running speed with the starter battery...Probably this is also used for the "accelerator electronic box" controlling all the timing of the motor...
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: stivep on March 30, 2019, 11:16:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bA2OMRcxKo
Wesley
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on March 30, 2019, 11:28:39 PM
Thanks Wesley, just wanted to post this also !
Looks very professional and promising...
Not at all a scam...The first shipped motor was already version 32 !Now new motors are shrink wrapped waiting for delivery !
Great company !
Really watch this video several times.Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: shylo on March 31, 2019, 11:43:48 AM
 What is the point of the starter motor?
The guy in the last video started it up by hand with very little effort at all.
The flywheels are very thick (all those layers sandwhiched together) this will absorb the field.I don't like the term sheilding.
If it is a scam they've done a good job of it. I hope it is real.
A break down of the build would be nice.
artv
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: stivep on April 02, 2019, 01:20:15 AM
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg533226/#msg533226
Wesley
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: shylo on April 03, 2019, 12:37:29 AM
I think the answer is to use the opposing field that is created when we draw power.
Not to try and isolate fields, but use them as they manifest.
artv
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on April 11, 2019, 02:41:17 PM
Here are some more answers and infos from Karl Walsh, who probably has the most infos about the motor so far:

 Lifting this motor off the ground is no problem. Crystal will also be elevated on a see-thru Lexan base, which pretty much the same as lifting it. You just can’t process in your brain that they’re not hiding anything— except the magnets.
            Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4413821468)  View in discussion    (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  TinselKoala (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_ztbFmjSU6Q/)  4 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4413708464)     Yes it was kidding. :-) They are very friendly people. If you have a legit reason to request a tour (potential investor or customer) they’d be delighted to show you everything but the magnets. Just don’t show up unannounced with a bunch of machines. And you should speak to Doug Bean about a tour, not Dennis.
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     1        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4413700658)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  TinselKoala (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_ztbFmjSU6Q/)  4 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4413463318)     You confidently assert, with zero knowledge of anything, that they would only show you what they want you to see.  That is not how they operate, and is complete bull crap.
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            Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4413458556)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  TinselKoala (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_ztbFmjSU6Q/)  4 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4413143879)     That is complete BS. I’ve never seen any request denied except to see the proprietary magnet fuel itself. They’re very proud to be the first to make magnets produce work— and let guests poke around to see almost everything. You would absolutely leave their facility convinced it is real. Such needless and unfounded negativity you harbor.
            Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4413143879)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  QuestionEverything (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_9Ar7VzUNSY/)  4 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4412810062)     This is getting a tad repetitive.im (http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Frepetitive.im%3AJCGwtY4gbtKpK_BZv0x33P_5WSE&cuid=2514349) taking a break and will be back in a week or two when there’s big news to report. And I assure you it will be BIG.
     2        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4412810062)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  TinselKoala (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_ztbFmjSU6Q/)  4 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4412761455)     Why not? Because there is also some very sophisticated software involved that does many thousands of calculations per second. You folks are used to looking at  rudimentary fake machines that need few parts and resemble toys. There is no way an individual or a small group of smart people could recreate the Earth Engine. It requires over 1,400 parts and is no toy.
            Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4412761455)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  QuestionEverything (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_9Ar7VzUNSY/)  4 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4412755341)     Now THAT is the definition of a clusterf*ck. When I first heard about the fraud charge I hadn’t invested yet and was ready to run for the hills. Then I sat down with Dennis and he took out binders containing hundreds of court docs. He not only explained how he was defrauded, he showed me news stories on how the judge in his case lost her job for doing very bad things on other cases. Bottom line this has less than zero to do with whether the motor works or not. Had Thomas Edison been caught lying in a business deal, that wouldn’t made the light bulb any less revolutionary.
     1        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4412755341)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  TinselKoala (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_ztbFmjSU6Q/)  4 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4412746385)     The videos you’ve seen are ones that I just decided to shoot on various visits. There was no ‘plan’ in mind when I shot them. Regarding testing, they have been testing on load banks for several years. I haven’t asked to look at the data because I wouldn’t understand what I was looking at. You could try to arrange a tour and ask them and request the raw data yourself. And yes you got it right about the motor shown on the forklift. It’ll run like the Energizer Bunny for a long time— even fully loaded. And they’re already working on much larger and smaller size models.
     2        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4412746385)  View in discussion        Discussion on  Revolution-Green (https://disqus.com/home/forum/revolutiongreen/)  1204 comments  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/)      Earth Engine: claimed 3 years of 40+ kW mechanical energy production from magnets  (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/)   (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  TinselKoala (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_ztbFmjSU6Q/)  4 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4412631398)     The motor can do 41 kW continuous but for the first year they’re limiting the motors to 25 kW, as they monitor for reliability. By next year they expect to be doing 100 kW.
            Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4412631398)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  Simon Derricutt (https://disqus.com/by/simonderricutt/)  5 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4412605431)     That the Vegas owner is already installing a second motor tells me a lawsuit isn’t in the cards. In fact he’s about to invest a lot more money into this project.
     1        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4412605431)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  Simon Derricutt (https://disqus.com/by/simonderricutt/)  5 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4412603373)     Correct that you don’t need ‘that much’ asymmetry. The motor worked for years with an approx 65/35 ratio. However the new 99.99/.01 ratio is more powerful.
            Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4412603373)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  QuestionEverything (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_9Ar7VzUNSY/)  5 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4412533820)     I in fact enjoy hearing about every suspicion you guys have. If you actually went there, you would see what you infer is not doable, unless the owner of SRI was in on it. And this owner is now marketing his shooting ranges together with the motor as a package deal.  One of his biggest customers is the Pentagon. You don’t even wanna mess with outright defrauding the US Military.
     1        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4412533820)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  Simon Derricutt (https://disqus.com/by/simonderricutt/)  5 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4412506672)     The inventor categorically denies its a Hallbach. It is completely different he says.  Why don’t one of you just go to Vegas and see it and talk to the owner? He is a long time Vegas resident, very credible with a very successful biz track record. Not only has he no reason to lie about the motor, he would go apeshit and file a lawsuit immediately if it was not real.
     2        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4412506672)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  TinselKoala (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_ztbFmjSU6Q/)  5 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4412502293)     Not following your logic here. The OWNER of the factory is happy with the motor so ordered another one. He is also an investor. How could IEC install a permanent secret power source in his building? The motor was installed Jan 23. Or are you suggesting that IEC investors are partners in the scam?  You guys only have a few more weeks of not acknowledging the motor is real. Enjoy it.
            Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4412502293)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  QuestionEverything (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_9Ar7VzUNSY/)  6 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4411341703)     If you mean the furniture factory, I heard yesterday it’s a 200,000 sf facility and they’re putting in two motors. They’ll be installed near the entrance for visitor viewing. And the New Mexico motor just got approved by some state oil field regulatory agency, so that install looks to be ahead of schedule.
     1        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4411341703)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  Simon Derricutt (https://disqus.com/by/simonderricutt/)  6 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4411123976)     The Vegas company is happy and currently installing a second motor.
     1        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4411123976)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  Simon Derricutt (https://disqus.com/by/simonderricutt/)  6 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4411055301)     I respectfully disagree. Folks here will just cry ‘!Photoshop’ or that a CGI video effects pro was hired. Is there a reason you say the Las Vegas motor isn’t running?
     1        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4411055301)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  Zephir (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_OfijU5L4MI/)  6 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4410776705)     That is why IEC has never cared much about demos.  They simply want to get 100 motors installed in businesses as quickly as possible. And voila, no more skeptics.
     2        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4410776705)  View in discussion          Discussion on  Revolution-Green (https://disqus.com/home/forum/revolutiongreen/)  1204 comments  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/)      Earth Engine: claimed 3 years of 40+ kW mechanical energy production from magnets  (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/)   (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  Zephir (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_OfijU5L4MI/)  6 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4410771664)     I follow Infinity SAV on Instagram and wish them all the luck. The worldwide energy market is so immense, there’s plenty of room for everyone.
     1        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4410771664)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  Woody (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_UNVraS8izj/)  6 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4410761712)     They like the idea of doing Livestream demos, as they already have a top-notch video studio.  Once tha Lexan demo motor is finished, you just may see stuff like 24/7 demos happening. .
     1        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4410761712)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  QuestionEverything (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_9Ar7VzUNSY/)  6 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4410312035)     Thanks. Maybe the reason other FE systems weren’t so forthcoming is they had much to hide? Other than the sensitive parts that would allow the motor to be copied, IEC is happy to show the motor and discuss it openly with all who visit.
     3        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4410312035)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  Zephir (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_OfijU5L4MI/)  6 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4410290790)     I don’t know the name Mr Haley. I’m good friends with the folks who produced the video though. While the production values are high, they went a tad overboard on the SFX, and that hurts credibility on such a serious subject matter.
     1        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4410290790)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  Woody (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_UNVraS8izj/)  6 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4410268866)     Should the motor turn out to be fake, I will offer to fly out to LA all the regular posters here, so they can smash cream pies in my face. And my wife will be happy to assist you. I would also consider tattooing ‘I AM AN IDIOT!’on my forehead if I wasn’t so afraid of needles.
     2        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4410268866)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  QuestionEverything (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_9Ar7VzUNSY/)  6 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4410256741)     Just learned the entire flywheel will be made from Lexan. In fact, over 99% of the motor will be see-thru including the solid Lexan base that will elevate the motor above the floor. The only opaque parts will be the tiny box housing the magnet ‘fuel’ and the tiny metal bearings in the flywheel. So there you have it— by May a ‘Skeptic-Proof’ motor should be ready to be unveiled.
     2        Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4410256741)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  QuestionEverything (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_9Ar7VzUNSY/)  7 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4410009161)     That’s assuming there’s an unlimited supply of rare earths out there, which there isn’t. In fact one of IEC’s major concerns has been securing enough magnet ‘fuel’ when production scales up significantly.
            Reply  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#reply-4410009161)  View in discussion     (https://c.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/11058/5616/avatar92.jpg?1402869605)  (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)     Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/)  PieEconomics (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_PieEconomics/)  7 days ago  (https://disqus.com/home/discussion/revolutiongreen/earth_engine_claimed_3_years_of_40_kw_mechanical_energy_production_from_magnets/#comment-4409972461)     The automobiles are way down on the list of applications. There are a million pumpjacks on oil wells across the US. Nearly every one of them could use the motor. Wherever energy costs are highest, particularly island nations and remote areas lacking a grid, that’s where you focus marketing efforts.
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Scottsdale AZ 85260. Here’s a photo of the front exterior.
The   (https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/724c754e52eb3a1f1e2af436d342e7676690936a11152b22d9caeb505ecc2984.jpg)  (https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/724c754e52eb3a1f1e2af436d342e7676690936a11152b22d9caeb505ecc2984.jpg)  HQ is at 30 N Gould Street, Sheridan, WY 82801They also have an office in Las Vegas.
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Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: MadMack on April 11, 2019, 04:16:37 PM
Tinselkoala has a fear of free energy devices and seems to have a particular bias against magnetic powered engines. A phobia, if you will, that the acceptance of free energy by the masses will lead to economic collapse along with the death and destruction of all he holds dear. This observation by me is based on numerous public postings he has made over the years. It's not bias based on his personal attacks against me. Just read his attacks on this one engine.

TK, you might as well give up. Magnet motors are real and they are are about to be proven to everyone beyond doubt.

Mad Mack
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: kampen on April 11, 2019, 09:32:48 PM
Just curious,
What's the price US $ for this (40KW) now running 25 KW/h Unit?
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: TinselKoala on April 11, 2019, 10:17:52 PM
Tinselkoala has a fear of free energy devices and seems to have a particular bias against magnetic powered engines. A phobia, if you will, that the acceptance of free energy by the masses will lead to economic collapse along with the death and destruction of all he holds dear. This observation by me is based on numerous public postings he has made over the years. It's not bias based on his personal attacks against me. Just read his attacks on this one engine.

TK, you might as well give up. Magnet motors are real and they are are about to be proven to everyone beyond doubt.

Mad Mack
Preserved for posterity. Are you the same "Mad Mack" who lied for so long at Err-on's forum about your "working" magnet motor? I laugh out loud at you.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ramset on April 12, 2019, 06:59:44 PM
Stefan
 It is hard to find specific information on the third-party lab test
 Do you have a link to when this will be scheduled and what lab will be doing the test?
 We have persons who could possibly attend a public demonstration.
 And perhaps even bring appropriate equipment .


 Also I know Russ is out that way,.....however I believe he has some “concerns “ in his life right now that might effect him scheduling things.


Thx
Chet
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on April 12, 2019, 11:15:53 PM
TK posted at Revolution green in the comments:

I have a couple of comments and questions (about the video).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bA2OMRcxKo

 At 5:46 we see the data
screen from the control software, of the motor right in front there,
which is set up to drive the water pump thru the Z-Drive magnetic
gearing. As far as I can tell there is _no_ electrical generator or
electrical output of this demonstration motor, just the z-drive to the
water pump. The videographer pans around the two running machines. Where
is any electrical output machinery or load? It does not appear to me
that there is even a stator coil-rotor magnet geometry evident that
could generate electrical power from the rotation.

Yet the Motor Control screen shows "AC Current" of 78 amps and "AC Voltage" of 7.5625
volts. The 7.5625 figure is of course false precision since a
measurement to the ten-thousandth of a volt is implausible under these
conditions, but let that slide for the moment. So we have some
electrical measurement of a little less than 600 watts, on something
that has no electrical _output_ or means to generate such, in evidence.
And while it is evident that the pump is turning, being driven by the
Z-drive magnetic gearing... it does not appear to be actually pumping
any water at that point.
We also note the "Voltage Modulation"
reading of.... 14.901960784313722 percent. I submit that this figure is
WRONG. The actual voltage modulation is 14.901960784313723 percent. Go
ahead, prove me wrong. The point here is that false precision means
that the cited number is simply wrong, since no measurement can possibly
be that precise... and furthermore no _professional_ motor control
software would display such an obviously wrong, false precision number
like that.
There is more that can be said about that data screen
but this is enough to demonstrate that it is nothing more than a "bright
shiny object" to make the spectators go "ooh and ahh they must know
what they are doing since they have numbers that are that precise..." Of
course there is a big difference between precision and accuracy, and
false precision of the degree displayed here is Yet Another big red flag
waving in the breeze.
"Ten years in the making"... not just since 2013 then.
Both of the running motors in the video are mounted on elevated, concealing
metal base platforms. There appear to be huge electrical grid interface
panels on the walls of the building. The dangling electrical power cord
with the plug just hanging there is a nice subtle touch. I'll have to
remember that one for my next alt.snakeoil video.
-------------
Just my impressions from the video.


Now I, Stefan,  posted an answer to this also there:

Hi TK, I had another look at this databoard pciture in this video you mentioned...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bA2OMRcxKo


There was 11.376 rad/sec, that means 1.81 Hz , so almost 2 Revs per second of the motor, meaning it was spinning at 108,6 RPM...

and there were these 2 different voltages and 2 different Amps readings...

Target Iq (Ia)= 78,125 Amps Probably the output current as Ia mostly means Output current.
Also there was Iq ( Ia)=76,3125 Amps and there were 2 different voltages:
Ud( Uf)= 20,125 Volts and Uq( Ua)=49,125 Volts.


So I guess the Ua is the Output voltage... ( Also in German language Ua means always Ausgangsspannung ( translated Output Voltage, maybe they had German measurement equipment)
So if we multiply Ua x Ia = 49.125 Volts x 78.125 Amps we get:
3837,89 Watts of Output power....
So at least we are in the 3 to 4 KWatts range...So I wonder, what they have powered with this output power then ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on April 12, 2019, 11:19:02 PM
I don´t yet know, if Russ will go there or not...
He would probably need some invitation from IEC...
I only heard from Karl´s postings, that  his NASA wants to go there and make some tests...but when this should happen, I don´t know yet...Unfortunately the Chatoptiosn there with this disqurs plugin are pretty limited at the messages are very mixed up there, so it is hardto follow the single threads....
If I will find new informations there, I will post them also here...Regards, Stefan.


Stefan
 It is hard to find specific information on the third-party lab test
 Do you have a link to when this will be scheduled and what lab will be doing the test?
 We have persons who could possibly attend a public demonstration.
 And perhaps even bring appropriate equipment .


 Also I know Russ is out that way,.....however I believe he has some “concerns “ in his life right now that might effect him scheduling things.


Thx
Chet
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: nelsonrochaa on April 13, 2019, 12:46:08 PM
Tinselkoala has a fear of free energy devices and seems to have a particular bias against magnetic powered engines. A phobia, if you will, that the acceptance of free energy by the masses will lead to economic collapse along with the death and destruction of all he holds dear. This observation by me is based on numerous public postings he has made over the years. It's not bias based on his personal attacks against me. Just read his attacks on this one engine.

TK, you might as well give up. Magnet motors are real and they are are about to be proven to everyone beyond doubt.

Mad Mack

It's just hilarious to check that comments in that post.
I read all the post in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bA2OMRcxKo from him, and it looks like a scratched disk, relating the content of their response with that already displayed on other occasions.There is no genuine interest in understanding how the device works, but rather attacking with the usual arguments that are impossible, or that are deceiving people or make people spend time and money.
 
After reading this quote I think he took a pistol and shot himself in the foot.

“And you know me well enough already to know whether or not my mind is closed to new discoveries? On the contrary, I am a scientist -- do you understand what that means, I wonder -- and my whole being is about new discoveries--”   Ohh TK is a  scientist!!!!! but ….  he say ….

And please do not "appeal to authority" by mentioning your NASA friend again. Scientists are absolutely the easiest people to fool, bar none. It takes special training and experience to detect the kind of fraud that is my special area of research, and a scientist who is used to encountering truth and accuracy in all things is the perfect foil.

To someone that not believe in device : “Let me ask you something in all seriousness. What is the moral position of an individual or company that has a free universal power source but wants to keep it secret and uses it only for profit -- while thousands of children die every single day in this world, from starvation, dysentery, warfare and other easily preventable causes, all due to lack of a cheap universal source of power? "


Is this a comedy? At least it brings good mood.
Let's wait because we should have news soon, and not ear this crap attack .
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ramset on April 13, 2019, 03:48:49 PM
I see here Mr.Walsh mentions perhaps the timeline is a few more weeks.?sorry if this had been posted here already ,the comments from Dansies forum are hard to follow.
I do have some contacts which were forwarded to me ,I'll try to make those calls early next week  and see about getting someone there who could possibly be viewed as an asset [by the principles] to this investigation as well as get a feel for what will be done at the test ...and will any tests [equipment] be forbidden?

to note
Member Wesley has postulated a controversial  power source for kapanadze device [transmitted from elsewhere]


Walsh quote
""This is why in a few weeks a world-renowned NASA/SpaceX energy systems consultant will be doing the definitive 3rd party testing that many have requested. This fellow has already confirmed the motor is a closed system with no external power source. Now he and his team will measure precisely how much power it can generate, and for how long (up to several days). And when this fellow with decades of experience gives it his approval, the world’s largest aerospace companies will stand up and take notice.""
// End Quote----------------------------------
//respectfully//Chet K
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: TinselKoala on April 13, 2019, 04:45:40 PM
It's just hilarious to check that comments in that post.
I read all the post in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bA2OMRcxKo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bA2OMRcxKo) from him, and it looks like a scratched disk, relating the content of their response with that already displayed on other occasions.There is no genuine interest in understanding how the device works, but rather attacking with the usual arguments that are impossible, or that are deceiving people or make people spend time and money.
 
After reading this quote I think he took a pistol and shot himself in the foot.

“And you know me well enough already to know whether or not my mind is closed to new discoveries? On the contrary, I am a scientist -- do you understand what that means, I wonder -- and my whole being is about new discoveries--”   Ohh TK is a  scientist!!!!! but ….  he say ….

And please do not "appeal to authority" by mentioning your NASA friend again. Scientists are absolutely the easiest people to fool, bar none. It takes special training and experience to detect the kind of fraud that is my special area of research, and a scientist who is used to encountering truth and accuracy in all things is the perfect foil.

To someone that not believe in device : “Let me ask you something in all seriousness. What is the moral position of an individual or company that has a free universal power source but wants to keep it secret and uses it only for profit -- while thousands of children die every single day in this world, from starvation, dysentery, warfare and other easily preventable causes, all due to lack of a cheap universal source of power? "


Is this a comedy? At least it brings good mood.
Let's wait because we should have news soon, and not ear this crap attack .
Preserved for posterity. You are going to feel pretty stupid in a few months when I post this again, Nelson. Even stupider than you do already.
I bolded the significant quote from my post. People like YOU should examine your consciences and figure out what you are really going to do to make this world better. Or you can continue making little gadgets that you yourself don't even understand, while children in your own country are starving and dying.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: TinselKoala on April 13, 2019, 04:49:10 PM
I see here Mr.Walsh mentions perhaps the timeline is a few more weeks.?sorry if this had been posted here already ,the comments from Dansies forum are hard to follow.
I do have some contacts which were forwarded to me ,I'll try to make those calls early next week  and see about getting someone there who could possibly be viewed as an asset [by the principles] to this investigation as well as get a feel for what will be done at the test ...and will any tests [equipment] be forbidden?

to note
Member Wesley has postulated a controversial  power source for kapanadze device [transmitted from elsewhere]


Walsh quote
""This is why in a few weeks a world-renowned NASA/SpaceX energy systems consultant will be doing the definitive 3rd party testing that many have requested. This fellow has already confirmed the motor is a closed system with no external power source. Now he and his team will measure precisely how much power it can generate, and for how long (up to several days). And when this fellow with decades of experience gives it his approval, the world’s largest aerospace companies will stand up and take notice.""
// End Quote----------------------------------
//respectfully//Chet K
Chet.... "RESPECTFULLY".... you should look into the backgrounds and history of the people pushing this scheme. Check out the companies associated with Danzik. Check out the litigation he is involved in. Check out the relationship between IEC and Quantum Energy Inc. in Canada. RESPECTFULLY.... you are a tease, and this is a scam, and it won't be long before everybody... even Nelson... knows it. But you will still be "respectfully" teasing everyone with your phone calls and emails about nonsense.

And not only have I long ago "postulated" a "controversial  power source for kapanadze device [transmitted from elsewhere]" but I have actually DEMONSTRATED such transmission of power, and have even shown that one of Nelson's circuits makes a pretty good receiver for EM transmitted power.  And I think you know that if I wasted my time making a duplicate of a Kapa device, it would work fine as a wireless power receiver too.  But go on, keep teasing, you're doing great, keeping the interest stirred up and keeping people looking at bright shiny objects in the hands of magicians, instead of looking at real science and doing research properly.
Respectfully... that's what respect looks like.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: nelsonrochaa on April 13, 2019, 05:13:30 PM
Preserved for posterity. You are going to feel pretty stupid in a few months when I post this again, Nelson. Even stupider than you do already.
I bolded the significant quote from my post. People like YOU should examine your consciences and figure out what you are really going to do to make this world better. Or you can continue making little gadgets that you yourself don't even understand, while children in your own country are starving and dying.

Yes pretty stupid is the figure you are passing by, calling stupid to others when you don't have arguments ..,either children in my country (Portugal) are not starving and dying , and this affirmations shows how much demagogue you can be.
Stupidity it's the arrogant way you usually talk to people, making affirmations based on your ego and not in really data . You do not even know how the device works, but you have the audacity, to make the comments you made creating doubts and divisions in people and without any information from the source.

If you want to make this world better, you should do something much more positive like helping a mission in Africa for example, something you probably have never done … see why you talk without know the facts ? Myself already help in 2 missions in Angola and in Salt Island   and even that i have time to make my little gadgets like you call that :)
About my little gadgets , that i did not understand  in your opinion, What worries you have about that? I dont no how they works but you know …. lol
 Are you feel preet stupid already ?  Because i’m not

Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: nelsonrochaa on April 13, 2019, 05:21:25 PM
Chet.... "RESPECTFULLY".... you should look into the backgrounds and history of the people pushing this scheme. Check out the companies associated with Danzik. Check out the litigation he is involved in. Check out the relationship between IEC and Quantum Energy Inc. in Canada. RESPECTFULLY.... you are a tease, and this is a scam, and it won't be long before everybody... even Nelson... knows it. But you will still be "respectfully" teasing everyone with your phone calls and emails about nonsense.

And not only have I long ago "postulated" a "controversial  power source for kapanadze device [transmitted from elsewhere]" but I have actually DEMONSTRATED such transmission of power, and have even shown that one of Nelson's circuits makes a pretty good receiver for EM transmitted power.  And I think you know that if I wasted my time making a duplicate of a Kapa device, it would work fine as a wireless power receiver too.  But go on, keep teasing, you're doing great, keeping the interest stirred up and keeping people looking at bright shiny objects in the hands of magicians, instead of looking at real science and doing research properly.
Respectfully... that's what respect looks like.


"and have even shown that one of Nelson's circuits makes a pretty good receiver for EM transmitted power. "
OHHHHHHH !!!???? Are you replicate my crap little gadgets ? lol  why ?
deserved your attention? Since I do not know how my circuits work according to your theory, could you explain to me how the circuit you reproduced works? If it can be, for free of course :) I know you usually charge for your opinion.
About my opinion related with IEC and Quantum Energy Inc, is neutral because i don't know the modus operandus of their machine .
Did you already know the details  to call  a scam ?

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Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ramset on April 13, 2019, 07:23:15 PM
 Well I definitely don’t have any legal training [but plenty of life’s experience] I also don’t have the training or life experience that Tinsel  has in these areas ...and can understand his zeal .
Few people have your experience Tinsel.
 What I do know is how to test ...having spent 40 years interacting with test labs and very high risk applications as well as all manner of Free Energy testing this last decade or more...  .
.... that I know how to do ... and yes consulting with persons trained in the various fields is all a part of that,// however....  Seeing Mr. Walsh bring a NASA Test person to the table.. we all know NASA protocols are the benchmark for any industry...Putting such a protocol for peer review ...as a known person ??_thats_ a very good start.================

Nelson while it pains me to see these anxious interactions on this forum, I am grateful for one thing,,, and that is the privilege to read of your work outside of these forums..to help those in need ...that is another benchmark moment in my opinion.

So yes Tinsel, I will be finding out what the protocols are if I can ...and offer to help expedite the vetting of this claim .[perhaps additional peer reviews]
and for clarity, my path is never an endorsement of claims ,nor some excuse to "tease", or waste my time or the time of others !!

 Respectfully
Chet
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Acca on April 13, 2019, 08:14:00 PM
So looks like this is an energy scam by a guy who needs more money as an ex CEO of an billion dollar aerospace company.. ?.....?..


maybe he is a sociopath and with more money for his secret technology he will take over the World and become president of the Earth Engine empire ....and the Universe later..



Acca..
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on April 13, 2019, 09:36:51 PM
TinselKoala (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_ztbFmjSU6Q/)   Stefan Hartmann (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/#comment-4420662973) • 2 hours ago (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/#comment-4421591997) The motor that seems to be connected to the monitoring software is just turning a water pump thru a "z drive", but the pump isn't even pumping. Maybe they don't have the valves open yet. I don't see any evidence of electrical loads on the motors in the video.
So you are just ignoring the clearly spelled out "AC Motor Voltage" and "AC Motor Current" values on the screen? There is nothing electrical apparently being driven by this "Earth Engine" yet it has an "AC Motor Voltage" and "AC Motor Current" live reading on the screen, that fluctuates slightly during the presentation? I think that _this_ may be the power to the "lens" and is actually driving the rotor as an ordinary pulse motor.
I am happy to be proven wrong by a real demonstration, with it powering an actual known load of electric heaters boiling water.  And sure, have the forklift take it out to the parking lot with the heaters attached. I'd love to see that.
Stefan Hartmann (https://disqus.com/by/stefan_hartmann/)   TinselKoala (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/#comment-4421591997) • a few seconds from now (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/#comment-4421711895) Yes, TK, I agree with the needed Demo with some electric heaters connected showing real KWatts outputs...just showing only a spinning motor is real lame, if they really have a motor, that can produce some KWatts of really  free output power...
But I guess this AC Motor Voltage and AC Motor Current might be the parasitric load Danzik spoke about in the first video inside the Shooting Range Container, which is needed to recharge the starting batteries... And this is in the ballpark of about 600 Watts which he spoke of....
So it probably must be spelled AC Generator Voltage, not "Motor"... probably some kind of alternator they hooked up to the motor... maybe that is also generating the pulses to generate the 54 Watts pulses he spoke about to energize the coils to get over the sticky points with the permanent magnets or something like this...to get into the propelling phase of the magnets producing real torque and store it into the flywheels...Who knows... So nobody yet have gone there and have a look yet ?
Why are there no engineers interested in it living near Las Vegas ??
Regards. Stefan.

Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: stivep on April 14, 2019, 08:00:19 PM
Group of very valuable  members of this forum decided to compare their position as subject in question is  quite  puzzling.

Dear friends I didn't go deep into it  just because from science stand point it is impossible.
But from the other hand group of Hungarian  Scientists under entity named - EBM sold  themselves  big  time, to entity that wanted this to be silent forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wys68tMvh5w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wys68tMvh5w)
Lutec sold himself too.

Magnets do not cooperate AND WILL NEVER COOPERATE.
Magnetic field  of the  magnet is self-contained ignorant force. The only benefit you will have
if you play by magnet rules.
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magnetic fields can't do work
https://www.quora.com/If-magnetic-fields-cant-do-work-how-can-one-magnet-physically-move-another (https://www.quora.com/If-magnetic-fields-cant-do-work-how-can-one-magnet-physically-move-another)
 
I
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often read that there are some machines that appear to actually produce energy, but actually do that by weakening the permanent magnets in them :
Answer:
That seems reasonable at first. A magnetic field does store energy - You have to do some work to set up a magnetic field and the same amount of work (minus losses) can be extracted from it when you collapse it. All coils work on that principle.
http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?t=41395 (http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?t=41395)


Wesley's summary:
conclusion: energy IN to magnetize = losses + energy out due to demagnetization.
So the device may be NOT FAKE only if there is energy conversion taking place.
And that we do not know.

Example:
Energy stored in flywheel =  energy delivered + losses.
So that is not the case but:
Speeding up the wheel, makes energy stored to act as "more heavy hammer" able to open more heavy valve of the pipe connected to  the river.
Part of that water flow in the pipe, can be used to store even more energy in flywheel, and rest of it is used  to  power the load.
And that is how I  explain energy conversion.

Magician knows his tricks. However it doesn't mean that  the trick is fake.
The truth about any magician comes out when his reality show is to be cashed out.
That is why I work with real surface wave based on real billions dollars  dedicated to  by Chevron. Viziv.
If that doesn't work nobody  from you is going to lose. It is their business not yours.

So I  got for today : real technology  that explains Tariel Kapanadze  due to
Schumann  waveguide energy fluctuations.
And that is the difference between me and anyone-else.
An yes  I'm at,  no profit  and big spending for the past 10  years.
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I do it because I like it.
In my 20ties I said:
I like science more than chasing girls
Is there anyone else in the world like me?
I don't know.
But I know that  there is plenty of money paid to stop it.


Wesley
 
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: vince on April 29, 2019, 12:12:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmWy-rPwOYs&feature=share


newest video with see thru version.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on April 30, 2019, 04:31:20 PM
The Inventor D. Danzik wrote:

OK, so normally I would not comment on these Boards but I think it will help all that view this video to point out several facts about the "Crystal" project. Crystal was designed and constructed for one purpose; to prove that a paired static magnetic field induces spin in a flywheel, regardless of mass. The Engines flywheel is 107 cm in diameter and just over 280 kg (600+ pounds). In the video you see it spinning at idle, not at running speed. It is designed only to operate at 60 to 100 RPM due to the fact that the strength of materials limits its speed. IEC commercial Engine models operate at 100 to 500 RPM and have flywheel mass > 1800 kg. The Engine runs purely from a paired set of permanent magnets. The very small timing device is 24V and controls only the attenuation of the magnetic field. The small battery that you see in the also transparent control panel is 24V and is used to  pace the Engine (a governor). There are no internal batteries, wires, motors or drives. The Crystal Engine was built so that it can be shown in constant running tests, live, within the next several weeks. The battery is used for starting and to show a closed loop system. As shown, by the AccuEnergy Meter, the "IN" is less than 11 watts at >1 Sec, per rotation at idle. The "OUT" will be displayed during the running show in mid May. Do not get hung up on batteries. All engines require a small starting battery, regardless of gasoline, diesel or turbine design, battery power, or some other form of capacitance is necessary. As of our current time in history, no engine will operate without initial power to start, and deliver initial power to its operating system. That said, Crystal is closed loop. Its main source of energy, once started, is a 500W three phase alternator, rectified to DC with a 30 to 50V charging circuit. If you chose to tune in, you will have the ability to see all sides of Crystal including the output alternator. i look forward to seeing some positive comments, and possibly some suggestions as to what you would like to view in our upcoming broadcast.

  (https://yt3.ggpht.com/-jtmukPe4gjI/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/klPAK1CsXkQ/s48-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg)  (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT4NxlByJ1ytu-FZ6xWbX1A)      Dennis M Danzik   1 day ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmWy-rPwOYs&lc=UgwcXPs4r2FY19VhRhx4AaABAg.8uGBfFfSMua8uH20Prj8R3)    @Ma Be (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJi9NvUnjXAhcvD0V6yXssw) OK, a little less trying to debunk and a little more intellectual curiosity would do you some good. First, stop reading literally from a slanted perspective. No legitimate power source, that contains moving parts cannot operate without logic. In the case of Magnetic Propulsion, that logic (that requires a very small current) is critical. The Engine does start on its own magnetic force, and this will be shown in the live broadcast. There is no secret battery in the "Box", and that Box will be much more transparent in a few days and prior to the live broadcast. The "main source of energy" applies to the Engine's output, which is a small 500W permanent magnet three phase alternator. Keep in mind that Crystal is a laboratory demonstrator, not one of our commercial units. The Engine consumes (parasitic) 11 to 15 watts. Its output will be shown in the live broadcast. As well, we are having the Crystal Engine go under industrial X-ray to certify that there are no hidden wires, batteries or motors. As far a "recharging", that is a company decision that has to do with recycling the fuel (magnets), so that the fuel can be recycled in its original form. Sources of magnetic fields of this type typically have a half life of just over 15 years.  I do appreciate your interest, but questions not asked in the pejorative, will produce replies as time allows. Stay tuned!
I wrote:
Without any load that thing as it is now,  should spin up and accelerate and not just idle as it is now....
if it really would be a free energy machine... That it only idles on the battery, already tells us, that the magnet deflection mechanism, that is now powered by the 24 Volts battery is not enough to drive an additional load at all... If they will put an additional load on, the rotor would slow down immediately and loosing RPM...
Hmm...anyway, looking forward to the upcoming Live demo...
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: conradelektro on April 30, 2019, 07:59:37 PM
Of course I have no more information than is visible in this thread, but just by looking at the website https://ie.energy/earth_engine.html (https://ie.energy/earth_engine.html) my hair stands up.

If I had such a wonder "earth engine" I would show it in action (producing at least 1 kW output power) and let independent parties measure input and output. (The inner workings need not to be disclosed.)

Why do they refrain from such a logical and straightforward presentation?

The only rational answer: it does not work as claimed!

There are no miracles! Nice videos and bold claims are no miracles, they are boring.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: k4zep on May 02, 2019, 03:40:48 PM
Hi all,
I haven't posted in a long time but this motor/generator has my attention. 
After all the yakking, it obviously has a governor, it is tied to a generator,it requires a certain amount of energy in the control circuits.  Afterwords,the one thing most are missing is the energy in the flywheel.  Rememberthe old Mass X velocity squared?  Just something to think about.
Why hasn't anyone asked how much energy savings have been documentated
at the installations?  All they say is they are happy with the installations.

Ben K4ZEP  Worlds smallest lab
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Vortex1 on May 02, 2019, 04:15:57 PM
Hi all,
I haven't posted in a long time but this motor/generator has my attention. 
After all the yakking, it obviously has a governor, it is tied to a generator,it requires a certain amount of energy in the control circuits.  Afterwords,the one thing most are missing is the energy in the flywheel.  Rememberthe old Mass X velocity squared?  Just something to think about.
Why hasn't anyone asked how much energy savings have been documentated
at the installations?  All they say is they are happy with the installations.

Ben K4ZEP  Worlds smallest lab

I agree. They may be using the mass of the flywheel like a giant supercap that is first set spinning (charged), then the energy for a very short video demonstration bleeds the energy off the flywheel (discharge mode) and registers some peak output from the alternator, long enough in the meters for the camera.

Regards
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: MadMack on May 02, 2019, 07:29:02 PM
This could be a swindle on the scale of the Liquid Air perpetual power scam perpetrated at the turn of the 20th century.

Or it could be legitimate. There are at least two things in the motor’s construction that lend legitimacy to it.
1 - It uses static redirection of the magnetic field to shape the field vectors.
2 - It uses a movable magnetic or ferromagnetic member to dynamically alter field vectors and that movement is at a right angle, approximately, to the rotor field vectors.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: k4zep on May 02, 2019, 07:37:37 PM
Very simple to verify.  Put a 500 watt resistive load on the Alternator.Watch the RP'm. if they stay constant, Rat on...If they drop till it stops.....bah humbug.I guess that would be too easy!

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 02, 2019, 10:22:11 PM
Hi Ben, welcome back. Good to see you again.What abiout your Thomas motor ? Did you try to scale it up with the Orbo effect yet ?
Sorry for this offtopic question...
Back to the IEC Earth Engine:
Also I got more and more the view, that the IEC Earth Engine is not working...Surely it would have been presented in a different way, if these motors could really drive KWatts loads...
Maybe they just have a motor, that generates just a few MilliWatts or Watts and they just let the big flywheel accelerate over a long timeframe  from this low magnetic power input and then use the stored energy in the flywheel to generate some power from it...
But I doubt they could provide a few  KWatts for longer than a few minutes...
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Vortex1 on May 02, 2019, 10:31:03 PM
Very simple to verify.  Put a 500 watt resistive load on the Alternator.Watch the RP'm. if they stay constant, Rat on...If they drop till it stops.....bah humbug.I guess that would be too easy!

Ben K4ZEP

Yes that would be too easy. And why not a small tabletop model continuously lighting a small incandescent lamp, as magnetics are downwardly scaleable. Make it such that there is no possibility of hidden compartments for batteries and let experts disassemble it after a lengthy run.

Oh I forgot, common programming technique is to dazzle the eyeballs so you need to make it very large e.g. Bhoudini's ferris wheel. A lot of spinning black and yellow safety tape helps with the trance induction, then the hypnotic spell is complete, just sign on the dotted line.

Regards
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: k4zep on May 02, 2019, 10:46:19 PM
Hi Ben, welcome back. Good to see you again.What abiout your Thomas motor ? Did you try to scale it up with the Orbo effect yet ?
Sorry for this offtopic question...
Back to the IEC Earth Engine:
Also I got more and more doubt, that the IEC Earth Engine is not working...Surely it would have been presented in a different way, if these motors could really drive KWatts loads...
Maybe they just have a motor, that generates just a few MillieWatts or Watts and they just let the big flywheel accelerateover a long time from this low power and then use the stored energy in the flywheel to generate some power from it...But I doubt they could provide a few  KWatts for longer than a few minutes...
Off topic is OK with me.  It is good to be back.  The Thomas motor is just sitting on the shelf for now.  I never pursued the switching effect in it any further.  Maybe someday!
Also the "Put Put" motor that showed some anomalous behavior at very high voltages, but again, maybe later. 

As most on the list have built pulse motors, shifting field motors, shielded motors, etc.  What we are seeing is not all that newand from the long term results that we see, it is easy to get a jaded view. 

IF with a 20 watt average input to the governor and magnetic switching or mechanical motor driven switching, etc., they can get 500 watts out continuous with the "Plastic" motor, or 5-600 Watts in and KW out with the larger motors, they will have something.  I don't think they have demonstrated that to us here.  If the flywheel in the small motor can generate the 500 Watt output for hours at a time into a regulated circuit/charger/inverter, etc. without the flywheel slowing down they will have something.  But as my last name is "Thomas", I'm a show me.  I see some beautiful work INTO a neat pulse form of motor but I have yet to see confirmed OUTPUT from the same device.  Am I missing that mechanical switch as seen on the plastic motor vs. the BIG motor? 

Someone on the list said to Google "Dennis Danzik" !  I just did....Do you like to read large PDF files???  Make your own opinions.

RespectfullyBen Thomas, K4ZEP, Worlds Smallest Lab
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 10, 2019, 11:55:05 PM
We really need someone with good technical measurement knowledge to go there and have a personal lookand see what the real output under load is...
Is no one living near the shooting range installation or near Scottsdale ?
Please let me know.Maybe we can arrange a visit via Karl Walsh for you..
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 11, 2019, 04:40:44 PM
In less than 3 days they will have a LIVE Demo 24/7 via Livestreaming here:

http://earthenginelive.com/
They write:

The World’s First Magnetic Propulsion Engine was developed by Inductance Energy Corporation and will be streaming LIVE 24/7!

 “Crystal” is a fully transparent laboratory scale model of the Inductance Energy Earth Engine. Crystal is driven by Magnetic Propulsion, which is the science of moving a mass (such as a flywheel, vehicle, elevator) in a rotator reciprocating, linear, or vertical direction soley by means of controlling permanent, imbalanced magnetic radiation (field). Using the repulsion (opposing force) as a fuel source, the Inductance Energy Earth Engine, driven by magnetic propulsion pushes large, heavy flywheels with zero-contact. Inductance Energy zero-contact drive system allows the Earth Engine to operate variable speed transmissions, drive shafts, reducers, and other devices without the requirement of gears, sprockets, chains, or belts. This provides a near friction-less connection between power source and the final selected device, such as a pump, compressor, or generator.

 Inductance Energy is proud to display Crystal to the world on this Live Streaming broadcast here at EarthEngineLive.com (http://earthenginelive.com/#).   If you are looking for more information about this world changing technology, visit us at ie.energy (https://ie.energy), or sign-up here (http://earthenginelive.com/contact.html) to be added to our communication list.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: conradelektro on May 14, 2019, 07:32:06 PM
I just checked at http://earthenginelive.com/ (http://earthenginelive.com/) , the wondrous thing is not online. What is going on?

I was expecting some KW output? What a shame or scam!

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Thaelin on May 14, 2019, 08:09:47 PM
I even cracked a beer to celebrate and and and ..... nothing to see here folks, move on.


Now its saying will be launching soon. Just modified.   Good Grief Charley Brown.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 15, 2019, 02:04:14 PM
It seems they are just redesigning their Website right now...
Now this new explainer video is online embeded into one new page and at Youtube it is here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS92Mm4A8a0
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 15, 2019, 02:25:46 PM
Well now they show at least their inserted generator and now one knows, how they want to extract the electrical power...
But unfortunately they show it only idling with a real electrical load connected...
Hopefully driving a real load will be shown in the upcoming Live video ?

Also here is a new picture of a newer ? model at their new contact page:

https://ie.energy/contact/ (https://ie.energy/contact/)
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 15, 2019, 02:32:11 PM
Maybe someone knows these inverters and devices that hang on the wall at 00:15 minutes in the video andcan tell us, what kind of inverters these are and how much power they are capable to convert ?
Have a look here:

https://youtu.be/wS92Mm4A8a0?t=15

You can also watch in in FullHD, so the picture is pretty clearto recognize these devices...
Many thanks in advance.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 15, 2019, 02:41:45 PM
It seems they are using one of these invertes here from Schneider Electric:

https://solar.schneider-electric.com/product/conext-xw-pro-na-solar-hybrid-inverter/


Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: k4zep on May 15, 2019, 02:59:57 PM
John Bedini must be rolling over in his grave laughing. No disrespect! to John.
Where are the numbers?  Power in power out. Long term load vs. speed of those damn flywheels!The big flywheels are just accumulators  of the input pulses!  Unless those pulses are unique and we don't understand them, there is no way that it is "Free" energy.  When  large
load is applied, watch the speed/RPM's of wheel and rate of pulses (power input) to the wheel.  Measurementshere are so critical.  Load must be in the Kw range to show up in system within a reasonable time. 
Power the system/flywheels and the load from the generatorand see what happens. One inverter and one load should do it. Take it off the grid.What webs we weave!



 


Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 15, 2019, 04:35:30 PM
Here is a datasheet of the Schneider Electric Inverter:

https://41j5tc3akbrn3uezx5av0jj1bgm-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DS20190125-Conext-XW-Pro.pdf (https://41j5tc3akbrn3uezx5av0jj1bgm-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DS20190125-Conext-XW-Pro.pdf)


So contineous output power is about 6 KWatts.
Hopefully they will show it sometimes with such a load...
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 15, 2019, 07:00:46 PM
Also one can see around minute 1:00 in the video, that the Red and Black Generator output cablesgo via the ceiling steel T-Beam to the Schneider Electric inverter, so it seems they put the output of the generator to theInverter to convert it to normal AC power.
So I hope we will soon see some electrical loads, that are connected there via the inverter...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 15, 2019, 07:20:19 PM
Karl Welsh just posted, that the Live Demo will start today at Noon PST Timezone, so in about 2 hours from now...

So get your adult beverages out and enjoy the show.. lol...
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: k4zep on May 15, 2019, 07:33:35 PM
Hi Stephan,
Looked at the specs. for the inverter/grid tie inverter.  It appears to run off of a 48VDC battery or 120VAC @ 55/65 Hz in the charge mode.  Their generator I don't know if they plan to charge batteries then switch over to running off the batteries, etc. It sure would be nice if they show the wiring diagram of the complete unit as set up and running and describe how they propose that it operates.  Possibly the motor/generator simply charges the batteries and the inverter then supply's to the load.  With the isolation of the inverter from the motor/generator it becomes a question as to the requirements of the "Parasitic" needs of the motor control circuitry.  Again, removal from the grid should be very simple and straightforward.  I would be impressed if while supplying/energizing the drive circuitry to the motor and a 5KW load, it did not slowly wind down as the batteries die and the inverter quits with a low DC voltage cutoff hence loosing drive to the motor.
BTW, that is a heck of a nice grid tie inverter and very efficient!

Ben
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 15, 2019, 08:46:50 PM
Hi Ben,well I don´t exactly know, if that really is the shown inverter or a simular model from Schneider Electric...Also in the video you can shortly see also a second device obviously from Schneider Electric hanging at the wall...but it could not be seen completely... so We must wait and see and maybe they will show today something in the livevideo ?

by the way, here is the inventor in a picture from his Facebook profile sitting in a funny American style car ! lol....https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151159026895404
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Thaelin on May 15, 2019, 09:13:32 PM
Just a heads up, I just tried to see how things were going with the Earth Engine and both my browsers red flagged them as malware. Didn't have that problem yesterday.


Redirects?
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 15, 2019, 10:39:05 PM
Just a heads up, I just tried to see how things were going with the Earth Engine and both my browsers red flagged them as malware. Didn't have that problem yesterday.


Redirects?

Well, no not malware or any script problem, just earthenginelive.com runs only via http and not https so your browser just  shows this in the URL box...
So giving into forms your personal information is then not transfered encrypted...but this is the only page, where you can do this:
http://earthenginelive.com/contact.html
But as these are no login informations or something very private informations, this probably is not so important and also not dangerous...


Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Frederik2k1 on May 16, 2019, 12:53:44 AM
Seems to me the live demonstration is working now, but no indication of a real load.  :-[
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 16, 2019, 12:45:33 PM
Well, it is really disapointing...I just analyzed the source code of the webpage...

It is no real Live Stream, just a 11 second loop, it is just a recorded MP4 Video file:here it is stored..
http://earthenginelive.com/live/rtsp-stream.mp4
So also no real load to see, just idling away....probably all powered by the big yellow battery...seen in the former video...So we are still waiting to see, if they will show a real KWatts load on any of their motors...

So still waiting for member Chet to get a few good engineers to them who have the right knowledge to measure it correctly...
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: conradelektro on May 16, 2019, 02:01:27 PM
Why this typical scam like behaviour?

I would accept an engine that can turn by itself for some time. It would be interesting without the double talk. Why not state the situation clearly?

No sane person will believe talk about 25 KW ( https://ie.energy/ (https://ie.energy/) , 25 KW, 24 Hours a Day, 7 Days a Week, 365 Days a Year) without real proof.

Is it an attempt to lure investors? If this is the case, it is very badly done. How naive can a investor be?

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: broli on May 16, 2019, 02:41:09 PM
Well, it is really disapointing...I just analyzed the source code of the webpage...

It is no real Live Stream, just a 11 second loop, it is just a recorded MP4 Video file:here it is stored..
http://earthenginelive.com/live/rtsp-stream.mp4 (http://earthenginelive.com/live/rtsp-stream.mp4)
So also no real load to see, just idling away....probably all powered by the big yellow battery...seen in the former video...So we are still waiting to see, if they will show a real KWatts load on any of their motors...

So still waiting for member Chet to get a few good engineers to them who have the right knowledge to measure it correctly...
Regards, Stefan.


I'm not defending them nor am I interested in what they are doing but just wanted to inform you that because it's a mp4 file it does not mean it's not a live stream. This is commonly done on the web so that clients do not directly connect to the live stream source (the camera) and hog up all the connections to it over RTSP. And also so the stream can be embededed in a html5 video tag so that clients don't need any special plugins to view it. Here are code libraries that do just that:
https://github.com/horgh/videostreamer (https://github.com/horgh/videostreamer)
https://github.com/Streamedian/html5_rtsp_player/wiki/HTML5-RTSP-Player (https://github.com/Streamedian/html5_rtsp_player/wiki/HTML5-RTSP-Player)

Just to be on the fair side.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: tinu on May 16, 2019, 03:17:26 PM
Imho it's possible to extract energy from permanent magnets only if a proper setup is built as to intentionally deplete them eventually. Not worth the effort, though. 
Also, imho it is possible to extract very small amounts of energy from the magnetic field of Earth. Suffice, in principle, to build a fixed large coil that rotates with Earth (1/24h) and captures flux variations due to Earth-Sun asymmetric magnetic field. I pondered for years if it'd be possible to increase such a minute power level by using a setup made of air-core coil(s) that run at a sufficiently high frequency to increase power output but also at a low enough frequency as to take advantage of magnetic reconnection in a relatively large space surrounding the coil(s). Maybe this could be the theoretical basis for some interesting devices scrutinized here in the last years? Anyway, I'm far from cracking any of them...
 
On the same line, I think it would be morally wrong to perfect such a device because it will obviously draw its energy from Earth's magnetic field, which I consider to be a non-regenerable asset. Imagine what would be the consequences of billions and billions of such devices running restlessly for years at high power levels ... This is a real dilemma I have for not pursuing this idea at full capacity! Same applies with extracting energy from Earth's electric field...
 
Strictly on-topic, I am suspiciously watching it, waiting for some substance info to be released. So far all I can see is smoke.
Best regards!
 
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 16, 2019, 08:11:42 PM
 Karl Walsh (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/) The 11 second loop is a software glitch that’s being fixed. When you want to fool people you do it with a 30 minute loop—not 11 seconds where the image obviously stops and reloads. I’ve seen this happen often with ATP pro tennis livestream. When the tennis live feed has a glitch it defaults to a 1 min 58 sec loop. Very peculiar. Anyway, the motor is pulling a small load— all the cameras— and that will be explained when the new page layout is finished. There will also be either a video timestamp or a physical clock atop Crystal. My vote is for the clock as that would be more difficult to fake. New software has been installed and you should see the improvements today. It’s been quite the learning curve for a team without much experience in livestreaming.
 Stefan Hartmann (https://disqus.com/by/stefan_hartmann/) to   Karl Walsh (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/#comment-4465109338) • 7 minutes ago (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/#comment-4465126950) Thanks for the info. Cool would be, if they could at least show a 10 Watts LED light running all day long
from the generator output, also if it is not the promised 500 Watts load...If it could at least trickle charge its own battery and still be able to run a 10 Watts LED light , that would already show some additional output...and be more output than it uses itsself....
 
Stefan Hartmann (https://disqus.com/by/stefan_hartmann/)   • a few seconds from now (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/#comment-4465136908) Also with a big sized Joule Thief circuit you can easily lightup a 10 Watts LED with just 1 to 3 Watts fully and additionally keep up the big yellow battery charged.... so such a setup would use less than 5 Watts, if you do it right and your magnet deflection arm is not drawing too much power and maybe could be redesigned to just use a relay mechanism instead of a motor, that only uses just one short current pulse....
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 16, 2019, 10:20:11 PM
They have fixed now the Livestream and it is really streamed live.


Now also the Wall Street Journal article is out:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-mans-unlikely-quest-to-power-the-world-with-magnets-11558029179?emailToken=96b1b6a6bc5037cb1733473796fbc9b03yWZ2z0vNuzZaGBkOo0XODD2Q5deXLgOR4n+7X8531Pa/qQ2YIqxuMrXfIIMsBzUMKtEwVdnntVM1UmKNoYTSDEvIPoYLOcUnnywW8n3DSCfGu3iKdgs+ZyF6ptuigad&reflink=article_copyURL_share
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: lancaIV on May 16, 2019, 10:47:46 PM
8-45 US$ cents/KWh lease price for a "very similar" disclosed concept :
https://patents.google.com/patent/DE4304132A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/DE4304132A1/en)
https://patents.google.com/patent/DE4304132A1/de (https://patents.google.com/patent/DE4304132A1/de)
It is not a trick,  it is simple - material expensive- engineering :
                                          lever arm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jg4e8W44_E4 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jg4e8W44_E4)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D116V8rYR1s

pure system costs : 1500 Euros/KW,5% tax calc. and 10 years AfA/ amortization : by 100% time-capacity lease :
                                             3 Euro-cents/KWh

       most expensive part:  1000 Euros/KW for the  low speed generator(motor) to pay

Difference : over-head profits temptation
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: tinu on May 17, 2019, 12:46:55 AM
Interesting live feed! 
I was collecting some data from it and so far I saw the following:
 
Rotor was initially making about 36.8(5) rpm. Speed was slowly decaying for a while then it suddenly jumped close to 39 rpm before reverting back to the average 36.8(5) rpm. I found it intriguing, at least.
Now, my data set is on 1000 revs (cca.27min) taken on sets of 10 revs and I did it mostly by hand, using a simple on-line stopwatch (http://stopwatch.online-timers.com/stopwatch-with-several-finishes (http://stopwatch.online-timers.com/stopwatch-with-several-finishes)) and a quick excel file. Tenuous and dirty job... and I might be wrong due to various factors. Unfortunately I'll be travelling for another week and I don't think I'll be able to repeat it by taking more data sets.
Is it anyone available to collect some better data on the engine rpm over time as to see if it's slowing down or if the above peculiarity I think I've noticed is real or not? Maybe by video processing? You know... a good rpm graph can shed light on many things. ;)

Many thanks!
 
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Vortex1 on May 17, 2019, 02:01:03 AM
They have fixed now the Livestream and it is really streamed live.


Now also the Wall Street Journal article is out:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-mans-unlikely-quest-to-power-the-world-with-magnets-11558029179?emailToken=96b1b6a6bc5037cb1733473796fbc9b03yWZ2z0vNuzZaGBkOo0XODD2Q5deXLgOR4n+7X8531Pa/qQ2YIqxuMrXfIIMsBzUMKtEwVdnntVM1UmKNoYTSDEvIPoYLOcUnnywW8n3DSCfGu3iKdgs+ZyF6ptuigad&reflink=article_copyURL_share (https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-mans-unlikely-quest-to-power-the-world-with-magnets-11558029179?emailToken=96b1b6a6bc5037cb1733473796fbc9b03yWZ2z0vNuzZaGBkOo0XODD2Q5deXLgOR4n+7X8531Pa/qQ2YIqxuMrXfIIMsBzUMKtEwVdnntVM1UmKNoYTSDEvIPoYLOcUnnywW8n3DSCfGu3iKdgs+ZyF6ptuigad&reflink=article_copyURL_share)

Is it truly a WSJ article, or is it a IEC advertisement? Every page is branded on the top with "Advertisement". If advert, then the question is how much did they pay WSJ for the IEC  advert and are they hoping this sum will lend credence to their "device".
Fishing in the big pond for tuna when the local trout stream ran out?

Regards
skeptical
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: conradelektro on May 17, 2019, 11:24:34 AM
Karl Walsh says here https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/ (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/) 4 hours ago: "And regarding a battery question— that would seem irrelevant for a motor that will for run for months. "

Why not state the capacity of the battery and the load on the wonder engine? One then could easily calculate how long the battery should last.

Strange behaviour!

How should one trust people who answer like that?

What is the live stream supposed to prove?

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: k4zep on May 17, 2019, 02:06:46 PM
Lets get real here.  If the "Plastic" engine can produce 500 W indefinitely, lets just ask ourselves some questions.Why don't they show a constant load on it. 
Why the funky generator with a magnetic coupled small flywheel generator?  I suspect that any mechanical load and the generator would not start.
The mechanical "snifter" that only operates one pulse per revolution?  Why?  Why not every segment of the "motor".
Why aren't they charging the battery off the motor?I believe they said that the small flywheels on the generator is needed to balance loading or control the surges on the generator.  Why?
Why cant the generator be driven directly/mechanically by the big flywheel? 
It would be nice to see the wheel start.  See how long it takes to come up to speed.  That would be some indication and you could easily calculate the energy and power of each pulse.The counter rotating generator 'big" wheel is a work of art. But power?  Don't know, they don't show.   Simply take it out in the middle of a parking lot or out in the desert, power up a Big set of Mercury Vapor Lights and stream that for 24 hr.. I have grave concerns for any investors as of now.  If you can afford to invest, I guess that being Nevada, you can afford to loose it. I guess I'm just rambling on about what I think when I watch the video.
 


Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 17, 2019, 06:17:33 PM
Matt (https://disqus.com/by/Matt1933/)   Karl  (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/#comment-4466227148) We can't even tell if it's running 24/7 for months because there is no clock or anything visible. This demo lacks so many things, it's worthless and proves absolutely nothing.
I answered:
Yes, this 4 camera view demo is useless... They should have better made a new video about the Crystal machine and explained its functions and at least have shown a load like an LED bulb or something simular... Or why not just hook up the Modell 30 to the Schneider Electric Inverter and show it run a 120 Volts AC load like a toaster or something simular  and show, how the motor reacts to the load....This way the Crystal machine Live demo is useless....
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Danzik on May 19, 2019, 12:09:52 AM
I am just going to respond in whole as to some of the very intelligent comments and questions in regard to Magnetic Propulsion. There are a few facts that you need to know about when and how I will respond, and on what subjects I will comment on.

First, I am not a "believer" in "over unity", and I have never experienced anything close to perpetual motion. For the most part, I am a classically trained engineer and for the first twenty four years of my practice, I worked on the refining side of oil and gas, mainly in polymers and composite design. I was focused on laboratory work in olefins and polyesters.

My lifelong obsession with magnetics began as a child, and I started working on Magnetic Propulsion in 2009 when some rare earth magnets became low cost enough for me to afford access to those products. I started laboratory work on the Engine and its components in 2010. I started working floor models in mid 2011.

My background is that of a trained industrial engineer, and I did complete grad work in product development at MIT/Sloan in 2009. I am not a physicist, but I can keep pace with most of the post doctoral discussions in regard to magnetics over the last 10 years. The vast majority of my career time has been in a laboratory development environment.

I do like the name "magnetics" as it applies to magnetism as an applied science that studies magnetic fields and magnetic radiation paths in relation to opposing and attracting magnetic fields. In other words, I have little interest at this time in measures and experimenting with magnetic fields working on a conductor.

I will not be responding in any way to my posts. They are for information only and not intended to start a conversation. My posts are not intended to inform you on how Magnetic Propulsion works in detail, or that I need to "prove it" to anyone on these types of message boards. The information is not greatly detailed, as I have little extra time in my life, but I do want to casually inform as many people as possible.

The Earth Engine, which is based on Magnetic Propulsion, functions from the force developed by a paired magnetic field. The magnetic field STARTS and ACCELERATES the flywheel on its own force, once attenuated. Most of our flywheel combinations are greater than 800 kg.

What I have developed, after many years of laboratory work, was based on the Szilard paper of 1929. Leo Szilard, through the work he left behind, has taught me a great deal. Here is a link to the paper that I made my life's work (outside of my career):

http://www.sns.ias.edu/~tlusty/courses/InfoInBio/Papers/Szilard1929.pdf

My development is the control of entropy in the system. The applied science of Magnetic Propulsion first diminishes the point of entropy and then uses that entropy to ACCELERATE the flywheel in what we call a "slingshot".

Entropy in my system occurs at only one point in the rotation of the flywheel. This has taken me years to calculate and refine. Let's say at 350 degrees as an example, entropy is at maximum (force in the opposite direction of the desired direction). So from 0 to 358 the flywheel is being pushed and accelerates continuously. Now, obeying all physical laws, if I did not control entropy, the flywheel would slow and eventually stop.  At 359 degrees I have developed a way to attenuate the magnetic field that is already "lopsided" or asymmetrical. The flywheel then makes it past the reversing force and then enters the "slingshot" and then the flywheel, using the opposing force greatly accelerates from 359 to about 15 degrees.

There are only two fields opposing at a time. One from the attenuation section (what we call fuel), and the flywheel magnetic field (what we call receptors). There are no electromagnets, or any device coupling to the flywheel. It is a zero contact device that is also magnetically levitated.

Attenuation of the field is accomplished through the bending of the paired fields. This is a major breakthrough. We keep both the geometry (shape) and geography (where the magnetic fuel is placed)(the pattern).

On the laboratory device "Crystal" you can see the firing of the attenuation device every 360 degrees. It consumes about 20 watts on average per firing.

Crystal has a 100 watt alternator rectified to 24 volts. It is also magnetically driven.

Crystal was built SOLELY to prove the applied science of Magnetic Propulsion. The simple fact that two magnetic fields produce a force, and when harvested, that force can spin a flywheel. That flywheel can then charge a battery or capacitor.

Now, here are some very important facts;

1. Crystal is NOT a dynamic motor. Magnetic Propulsion is not dynamic (instant) in its power delivery. It is inertia. It delivers power (which can then spin a generator) by accelerating a flywheel and storing that energy. You cannot in any way hook a dynamic load to a Magnetic Propulsion Engine. It will just stop, and it will stop quickly.

2. Magnetic Propulsion Engines work by creating inertia in a very specialized flywheel (some 257 parts) that refuse to magnetize in the presence of a large and powerful magnetic field. Once to speed (125 to 350 RPM) you have a great way to harvest kinetic energy by spinning an alternator. The alternator is not allowed to exceed a specific load, based on its affect on inertia. This is also a closely held trade secret. Think of it as a very large electrical "pump".

3. Magnetic Propulsion requires STORAGE. A battery or capacitor. You can charge 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

4. Magnetic Propulsion requires a BATTERY or CAPACITOR for its parasitic energy to run its attenuation section. But this is only about 20W p/s at 60 RPM. So the battery is very small.

5. Crystal's flywheel weighs in at 622 LBS where our commercial Engine flywheels are just over 4,000 LBS.

6. Magnetic Propulsion is not "over unity" or perpetual motion. It receives its power from over 5,000 PSI of pressure from an accelerated magnetic field. My developed magnetic fuel has "pull forces" (a common measure used in magnetism) of over 10,000 Pounds. This type of force requires not only great safety procedures but has also led to great breakthroughs in the handling of these very powerful magnets.

This coming week, IEC will be producing a complete explanatory broadcast program called "Introduction to Magnetic Propulsion" which will air on www.earthenginelive.com. It will be broadcast live and then repeated at specific times during the day. Broadcast times will be announced this coming Monday morning on the IEC Website (www.ie.energy) and on www.earthenginelive.com.

The program will take you through the entire Magnetic Propulsion Cycle and introduce our new transparent control panel with consumption and output meters (compliments of AccuEnergy).

I sincerely hope that you will tune in !

I hope that my addition to this Board is helpful. I sincerely hope that you will stay tuned in and learn more about IEC and Magnetic Propulsion.

In closing, I also know that I am inviting biting comments, and negative, maybe even slanderous statements. That's OK at this point, but you should know that I really do not care. Your negatives will have zero impact on my earnings or my work product. However, your thoughtful criticisms and ideas may help you be a part of the hard work and dedication to the dozens of people working at IEC, which is growing in number monthly.

Thank you for your Time and Interest !

And please refrain from comments on spelling, typos and grammar, (none of us have that kind of time for these Boards)!

  8) 

Dennis M Danzik






Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 19, 2019, 10:56:00 PM
I wonder, if they don´t show a KWatts output in public, because they want to stimulate much flame wars between skeptics and supporters, so that
this topic goes Viral on the Internet ??

Maybe that is just a trick to get people talking about it ?

Maybe they thought, "we will not show the real output, until so many machines are sold"

Otherwise they could just show the output via their coupled Schneider Electric inverters...

If the asymmetric "Magnetic fuel" really works and can proprell the flywheels and can store enough energy,then it should be easy to extract a few KWatts maybe not for too long, but maybe a few minutes or half an hour,until the load peaks are over and only lower power is required and drawn....

Well, we will see, if really a few good measurement guys will go there and have a look or Mr. Danzik will post a new video ,
where we can see a real load on the motor, that will produce a claimed output power...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ramset on May 19, 2019, 11:08:28 PM
Stefan//I have been very busy  helping my friend down in NYC area [serious illness] last few months.

Mr.Danzik, I know there have been plenty of suggestions for testing ,Would you allow an onsite black box energy audit ... by qualified persons ?
 respectfully
// ChetKremens@gmail.com
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Danzik on May 20, 2019, 01:15:35 AM
Have patience. There are many highly qualified individuals vetting the science over the next few months starting Tuesday of this week, and there will be several follow up news articles.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: k4zep on May 20, 2019, 03:36:16 AM
Interesting description by Mr. Danzik,I suspect that a few numbers got "futzed" up in his description.He describes the clasic "Pushing" asmetrical wheel with the "sticky Point" that we have all tried to build at one time or another.His device is just a heck of a lot bigger to start.  Then we have to get into why it works!

My lifelong obsession with magnetics began as a child, and I started working on Magnetic Propulsion in 2009 when some rare earth magnets became low cost enough for me to afford access to those products. I started laboratory work on the Engine and its components in 2010. I started working floor models in mid 2011.

My background is that of a trained industrial engineer, and I did complete grad work in product development at MIT/Sloan in 2009. I am not a physicist, but I can keep pace with most of the post doctoral discussions in regard to magnetics over the last 10 years. The vast majority of my career time has been in a laboratory development environment.

I do like the name "magnetics" as it applies to magnetism as an applied science that studies magnetic fields and magnetic radiation paths in relation to opposing and attracting magnetic fields. In other words, I have little interest at this time in measures and experimenting with magnetic fields working on a conductor.

I will not be responding in any way to my posts. They are for information only and not intended to start a conversation. My posts are not intended to inform you on how Magnetic Propulsion works in detail, or that I need to "prove it" to anyone on these types of message boards. The information is not greatly detailed, as I have little extra time in my life, but I do want to casually inform as many people as possible.  I appriciate the start here.  It gives us some inkling into how his device works.

The Earth Engine, which is based on Magnetic Propulsion, functions from the force developed by a paired magnetic field. The magnetic field STARTS and ACCELERATES the flywheel on its own force, once attenuated. Most of our flywheel combinations are greater than 800 kg. 



My development is the control of entropy in the system. The applied science of Magnetic Propulsion first diminishes the point of entropy and then uses that entropy to ACCELERATE the flywheel in what we call a "slingshot".  Entropy control is an interesting concept, I just look at it as field bending or diminishing via mechanical means thus allowing the wheel to move past the sticky point.

Entropy in my system occurs at only one point in the rotation of the flywheel. This has taken me years to calculate and refine. Let's say at 350 degrees as an example, entropy is at maximum (force in the opposite direction of the desired direction). So from 0 to 358 the flywheel is being pushed and accelerates continuously. Now, obeying all physical laws, if I did not control entropy, the flywheel would slow and eventually stop.  At 359 degrees I have developed a way to attenuate the magnetic field that is already "lopsided" or asymmetrical. The flywheel then makes it past the reversing force and then enters the "slingshot" and then the flywheel, using the opposing force greatly accelerates from 359 to about 15 degrees.
So the wheel is pushed to rotate.  IF the wheel is lopsided field wise, it has the weakest field between 355 and 359 degrees, and then the field is strongest at 0 degrees (sticky point) and you have to hide/lower/diminish or bend the attenuation section with the repulsing field temporary to get it over this point.  IF this mechanical attenuation requires less energy input than the wheel retains during one revolution, AT SPEED, you have a energy producing device.

There are only two fields opposing at a time. One from the attenuation section (what we call fuel), and the flywheel magnetic field (what we call receptors). There are no electromagnets, or any device coupling to the flywheel. It is a zero contact device that is also magnetically levitated.  The unique thing is the output is not dependent on how many "fuel" sections are available, it just spins the wheel up to a X amount of rpm. 

Attenuation of the field is accomplished through the bending of the paired fields. This is a major breakthrough. We keep both the geometry (shape) and geography (where the magnetic fuel is placed)(the pattern).  I think he mans that he doesn't move the "fuel" section, he just changes the shape of the field and therby lowers the interactive forces in the fields allowing a receptor to pass by/through the field hence getting it into a new power cycle.

On the laboratory device "Crystal" you can see the firing of the attenuation device every 360 degrees. It consumes about 20 watts on average per firing.  1 pulse/revolution, 20 watts of energy used/pulse.  At 60 RPM, you would be using 1200 watts per min. average.   That don't make sense.  More likely, at running speed of say 300 RPM, it would make sense that the average power required to run the "fuel" section attenuator would average 20 watts. 

Crystal has a 100 watt alternator rectified to 24 volts. It is also magnetically driven.  This is or has problems based on the statement in #1 below.  If the alternator is 100 watts, it is a dynamic load, whether RMS or pulse output into a diode recifier into a Cap. or a battery.  A load is a load is a load.  A mechanically coupled load is the same as a magnetically coupled load unless as he says below the load on the alternator is limited to not drain more energy out of the wheel that it has at any point in time at a given RPM.

Crystal was built SOLELY to prove the applied science of Magnetic Propulsion. The simple fact that two magnetic fields produce a force, and when harvested, that force can spin a flywheel. That flywheel can then charge a battery or capacitor.  This I understand.

Now, here are some very important facts;

1. Crystal is NOT a dynamic motor. Magnetic Propulsion is not dynamic (instant) in its power delivery. It is inertia. It delivers power (which can then spin a generator) by accelerating a flywheel and storing that energy. You cannot in any way hook a dynamic load to a Magnetic Propulsion Engine. It will just stop, and it will stop quickly. As we all have learned over the past few years!

2. Magnetic Propulsion Engines work by creating inertia in a very specialized flywheel (some 257 parts) that refuse to magnetize in the presence of a large and powerful magnetic field. Obviously the wheel should not create a load on itself due to loading from eddy currents.  That would just lower the efficiency and is the reason that magnetic bearings are used, all to lower and vertually eliminate dynamic loading.  Once up to speed (125 to 350 RPM) you have a great way to harvest kinetic energy by spinning an alternator. The alternator is not allowed to exceed a specific load, based on its affect on inertia. This is also a closely held trade secret. Think of it as a very large electrical "pump".  I suspect inertia of the spinning wheel is the secret of why this device works if it does.  As the torque generated by a spinning wheel has a velocity squared component, the output is non linear and as the speed increases.  The faster it spins, the more instantaneous energy is available vs the input energy.  Getting a spinning magnetic motor to run by eliminating the "sticky spot" was the first step.  Learning how much additional power was available from the inertia forces generated was the second step.  Controlling the amount energy taken out of the wheel without slowing it was just control programming.

3. Magnetic Propulsion requires STORAGE. A battery or capacitor. You can charge 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Probably most efficient with pulse or a pump type of charging.

4. Magnetic Propulsion requires a BATTERY or CAPACITOR for its parasitic energy to run its attenuation section. But this is only about 20W p/s at 60 RPM. So the battery is very small.I think I read that the bigger motor/generators required about 400W average to run also.  There would not appear to be any reason that this battery could be topped off by the large STORAGE battery.  Technically, it could be a large cap with an initial charge to get the thing started.  Then self charging and self running.

5. Crystal's flywheel weighs in at 622 LBS where our commercial Engine flywheels are just over 4,000 LBS.  In this case, probably bigger is better, and radius of wheel is important.

6. Magnetic Propulsion is not "over unity" or perpetual motion. It receives its power from over 5,000 PSI of pressure from an accelerated magnetic field. My developed magnetic fuel has "pull forces" (a common measure used in magnetism) of over 10,000 Pounds. This type of force requires not only great safety procedures but has also led to great breakthroughs in the handling of these very powerful magnets.  Don't get to overexcited about those PSI numbers, more important is the vector forces produced around the wheel and the resultant energy put into the wheel during each rotation. It would be very productive to show a chart of input energy, output energy and RPM's.  Would really give a hint on how it works.

This coming week, IEC will be producing a complete explanatory broadcast program called "Introduction to Magnetic Propulsion" which will air on www.earthenginelive.com (http://www.earthenginelive.com). It will be broadcast live and then repeated at specific times during the day. Broadcast times will be announced this coming Monday morning on the IEC Website (www.ie.energy (http://www.ie.energy)) and on www.earthenginelive.com (http://www.earthenginelive.com).

The program will take you through the entire Magnetic Propulsion Cycle and introduce our new transparent control panel with consumption and output meters (compliments of AccuEnergy).

I sincerely hope that you will tune in !  It will be most interesting, I certainly will tune in or tune into one of the repeats.

I hope that my addition to this Board is helpful. I sincerely hope that you will stay tuned in and learn more about IEC and Magnetic Propulsion.

In closing, I also know that I am inviting biting comments, and negative, maybe even slanderous statements. That's OK at this point, but you should know that I really do not care. Your negatives will have zero impact on my earnings or my work product. However, your thoughtful criticisms and ideas may help you be a part of the hard work and dedication to the dozens of people working at IEC, which is growing in number monthly.

Thank you for your Time and Interest !  Always!

And please refrain from comments on spelling, typos and grammar, (none of us have that kind of time for these Boards)!

  8) 

Dennis M Danzik

Just my meandering thoughts.Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: MadMack on May 20, 2019, 02:51:12 PM
Mr. Danzik has given out the gist of his engine so it should be plain that this is a viable design. The 20 watts that Crystal uses is not magically transformed into OU. Those watts are used to apply a much stronger force.

You have the rotor weight, the RPM, the magnetic force applied and the approximate degrees of rotation of that application. I don’t see the rotor diameter but it’s fairly easy to estimate. We don't have the rotor's mass distribution and some other info but there is enough to start with.

Do the math and you can estimate how many watts can be siphoned off and still maintain the desired average RPM.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Acca on May 20, 2019, 07:27:06 PM
WoW that was Great Response Mr. Danzik.


So........ where is "the Koala"  ???  spoiler...
 


100 million as that what WSJ said on Friday..What a company is...this !!!


Anyone remember Ken Wheeler and all the pathetic attacks on him and his magnetic constructs .. shame on all of you..


Thanks to IEC.. I believe this will be an incredible company, and all the petty pathetic egos get a reality check.


Danzik has left  "you" on the sidelines in the dust...


I bought the WSJ and the paper located the story in the tech section second to the last page on Friday ..and that
was a big mistake or an overt effort to squash these great guys..


If you don't believe this or are you an ass because you have to prove that this is a scam this forum is NOT for You!!


Go get out and build one of your own and get 100 million too..


Acca..
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: memoryman on May 21, 2019, 04:08:08 PM
Acca: TK, Simon D. and myself have shown the many flaws (terminal ones) in the alleged operation of the IEC device.
Even Stefan has reservations.
At NO point did IEC DEMONSTRATE their claims.
Where do you see a load applied to Crystal?
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hb9abx-felix on May 21, 2019, 04:53:58 PM
I am awaiting the  “Introduction to Magnetic Propulsion” from IEC about the Crystal.
I hope this will come soon.
This is very, very important.

Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ramset on May 21, 2019, 06:29:37 PM
Mr.Danzik seems well aware of the contrbutions from the
Metrologist (Tinsel) and others at Dansie’s forum.


Quite certain the coming investigations will at the very least
Cover those posted observations and concerns.


Respectfully
Chet K



Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: memoryman on May 21, 2019, 07:19:24 PM
Ramset: there has NEVER been a properly 'vetted' demo. Crystal COULD have been made with little effort into that but wasn't.
Ask yourself: Why not?
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: rakarskiy on May 21, 2019, 11:12:07 PM
https://youtu.be/wS92Mm4A8a0
https://realstrannik.com/forum/attachment/27885
In general, I analyzed the information provided. The system works fine. I would call it a magnetic flywheel overclocking system. two flywheels rotate counter, brilliant. I was more pleased with the contactless removal of torque between the metal discs. Model number 30 consists of three generators of 10 kW each. 600 Volt Single Phase Generators The overclocking system is the most common impulse with recuperation. It is self-sufficient.

Sorry, but you are not looking there all. See how I looked at it. Video in Russian. https://youtu.be/hFRJLpO1tpY
Two flywheels of 900 kg at a speed of 300 rpm. This is a powerful torque. In this case, two flywheels rotate counter.
If you still make a pulse (intermittent) removal of energy ... judging from the generator control system, it is. WORKING SYSTEM.
https://sites.google.com/view/non-fuel-energy-generating/non-fuel-device?authuser=0
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Acca on May 22, 2019, 01:55:31 AM
To Chet,  you writing this:

"Mr.Danzik seems well aware of the contrbutions from the
 Metrologist (Tinsel) and others at Dansie’s forum."

Are you really serious about this statement  ?? as I see a different view form you..
 
"Tinsel",  here as he tying to, "OUT" a SCAM that he is convinced that this is ...
and he believes that he is the  "savior" and maybe he will be recognized as such.. here is the link to his posts..
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https://disqus.com/by/disqus_ztbFmjSU6Q/ (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_ztbFmjSU6Q/)

He obviously has allot of time to devote to his posts, his discouragement of the IEC machine and as such Danzik feels that he is being attacked by him... So what is his vested interest in this IEC corporation ??? Who knows ..
Well it's always money ??... at the root of all motivation...

Attacking IEC will have lawyers after him .. and they have allot of  money.. .

Acca..

ps..

There are allot threats out there, for companies that step on BIG ENERGY interests .. SO instead of supporting these small companies the long knifes come out to destroy them.. What a shame.. for all of us...[/font]


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Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: rakarskiy on May 22, 2019, 06:40:06 AM
Quote
Earth Engine operates on the same principle as the ‘Slingshot Effect’ space travel phenomenon, which enables a spacecraft to increase velocity via a gravitational assist. It is the world’s first and only power source propelled by Magnetic Propulsion. Earth Engine can generate electricity, operate liquid pumps, air compressors, and other mechanical devices 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, fully independent of the power grid.

First: this installation will be able to get far from being a simple consumer.
Second: 365 days a year, the system requires operator participation.
Third: the installation requires perfect installation, space and tincture.
Fourth. Demonstration is nothing more than a PR move.
Fifth: work with flywheels requires impulse work with torque. A very high probability of a special generator, whose design is not disclosed.
Sixth: The installation is not intended for the free distribution of energy to the consumer. The end user, all the same for energy, will pay over the counter.

Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: tomd on May 22, 2019, 08:45:04 AM
First: this installation will be able to get far from being a simple consumer.
Second: 365 days a year, the system requires operator participation.
Third: the installation requires perfect installation, space and tincture.
Fourth. Demonstration is nothing more than a PR move.
Fifth: work with flywheels requires impulse work with torque. A very high probability of a special generator, whose design is not disclosed.
Sixth: The installation is not intended for the free distribution of energy to the consumer. The end user, all the same for energy, will pay over the counter.

Point 6 is spot on. However it may pave the way.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Thaelin on May 22, 2019, 08:49:02 AM
  That is the exact reason he was allowed to continue and install a unit. The customer will have to pay. Tesla would have been funded surely if he had incorporated a charge method. Just the same old story. Otherwise there would have been a GAG order issued and no patents issued. They own it and you just pay the juice prices they ask.
   Still, BPA and the gov will step in somewhere and add a tax or two.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: rakarskiy on May 22, 2019, 09:10:54 AM
Lindemann Patrick. "You can get a free energy generator in your hands, you can only do it yourself"

This is relevant: It was, is now and will be in the future! But for that, I spied them a great non-contact generator connection system.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: lumen on May 22, 2019, 06:25:44 PM
Am I wrong or is this described as operating like a mechanically assisted pulse motor?
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 22, 2019, 09:34:23 PM
https://livestream.com/accounts/27876172/events/8690154/player?width=640&height=360&enableInfoAndActivity=true&defaultDrawer=&autoPlay=true&mute=false (https://livestream.com/accounts/27876172/events/8690154/player?width=640&height=360&enableInfoAndActivity=true&defaultDrawer=&autoPlay=true&mute=false)

Mr. Danzik will hold a Livestream on May 30th 10 PM and will probably show, how it works or hopefully will also show a connected load...


For more info look at:
http://earthenginelive.com/

Also the Livestream is currently not working...

Mark your calendar...
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ramset on May 22, 2019, 10:16:38 PM
will it be a public demonstration  in Las Vegas ?  If so maybe we can get some members there ....

Chet
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: lumen on May 29, 2019, 06:00:40 PM
If IEC supplies sufficient information on the theory of operation, maybe someone here could try a scale size replication. :-X
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Acca on May 30, 2019, 07:41:07 PM
Live demonstration at 1:00 pm Pacific standard time By IEC today by the inventor Mr.Danzik.






Acca..
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 30, 2019, 10:18:51 PM
It is now live here with Chat !

https://livestream.com/accounts/27876172/events/8690154

Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Acca on May 30, 2019, 11:02:16 PM
Seen the live presentation.. It was very informative and well executed as to how the structure of the machine works is  still very much a secret ...

Mr. Danzik did present well from the technical view as well as what this generator is and where the power comes from.

As to loading the output still was not there.. Just his cell phone.. to get a boost...

As to magnets he said it was NOT the neo magnets used.. that is all ..

I am  looking forward to this great discovery to be realized by all humans in the future..

Acca.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: memoryman on May 30, 2019, 11:10:50 PM
Well, I DID have trouble staying awake through that nonsense.
For an engineer, he does not understand power, energy, force.
A very expensive Chinese alternator with cheap bearings...
NO SIGNIFICANT LOAD...
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: tinu on May 30, 2019, 11:13:28 PM
OMG! Was that 'live demo' simply a bad joke?!!!

That rotor behaves like it is configured as a circular SMOT actuated by an external force provided by the stepper motor. Further, the rotor is magnetically coupled with an electric generator. Power input was obviously not 20-30-36W but larger (yup, improper measurement device) and not for a fraction of a second but actually almost continuously at full speed as the stepper motor could be clearly heard running full time.
 
What a waste of time!
How hard would it be to get the battery out and use a supercap instead?!
I'm thinking that maybe their 'electrical engineers' where not up to this idea?
Definitely, this is the most idiotic contraption I've seen in a long time!
Years of hard work?!!! Yup, I can see why...
Rotfl!
 
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: lumen on May 30, 2019, 11:27:05 PM
I was thinking how misleading the entire presentation was. Not using neodymium magnets when part of the claim was how this was possible because of them.
Then Crystal was shown to be a ramp style device and a ramp has no more energy gain than that of the first magnet.

It certainly would not merit any time in a replication for such a tiny output.

It is good however that it may finally prove an over unity device is possible which would increase interest and possibly lead to smaller more refined devices.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on May 30, 2019, 11:34:26 PM
Yes, this was really a lame presentation.. Again no output load and all powered by the big Yellow Battery.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on May 31, 2019, 04:17:07 PM
Hi Stefan,

I got to see the video yesterday it has all the telltale signs of a giant SMOT attached to a flywheel (as others have mentioned) . I think most here have all built SMOTs and pulse motors so it very easy to spot. I wrote down in the video @19:40 where you can see it start the ramp. The adjustment of the stepper motor by hand was silly. A small micro-controller with a hall sensor/distance sensor, rotary encoder could've easily taken over that task.

They claim it runs a load why not use a mechanical attenuator to move the arm and get rid of the battery once it's started. Something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CxfiO_afzo
Just my opinion, from my many failed hands on experiments along these lines, I don't really see this generating power in its current form .
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: TinselKoala on June 01, 2019, 12:42:57 PM
It really is too hilarious for words. They are using 24 volt toy truck batteries to charge a cellphone, with a multi-thousand-pound rotary battery charger!


Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: seychelles on June 01, 2019, 01:21:42 PM
COME ON NIKOLA TESLA THEY MIGHT AS WELL BUT HIM IN A STRAY JACKET AND THROW AWAY THE KEY.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: seychelles on June 01, 2019, 01:27:41 PM
IF ALL THE ENGINEERS THAT HAVE SEEM THIS MACHINE ARE SO DUMB, I MIGHT AS WELL JOINT THE
HARE  KRISHNA.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on June 01, 2019, 04:53:39 PM
Well, has somebody recorded the Live transmission and can post it on Youtube ?
I had to go to pee at the time, Danzik wanted to show something and went from PC to  trying to watch it on my smartphone,but the stream chocked on my phone and then there was the liveshow already over...
I thought he would now show a 100 Watts LED bulb or something like this then...
Didn´t Danzik say, they will show at least a 500 Watt load on crystal ?

But did they at all connect a phone charger to the white Aliexpress alternator ontop of the crystal machine ?
Where was this phone charger located at the machine or in the control room ?

Regards, Stefan.

Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on June 01, 2019, 07:39:43 PM
Hi Stefan,

They didn't show any other load except for him charging his cell phone which was in the control room. It was very hard to tell whether they were charging from the alternator or just through the battery from the charge controller. The alternator was turning though.

 It did end quite abruptly, in the end he stated this was part 1 of a 4 part series. No mention on when the next one will start, hopefully they show a real load. They sounded afraid to stress it because testers were flying in to test it sometime this week(?).
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: lumen on June 01, 2019, 08:09:56 PM
Maybe this was the first prototype and has very little output where the new devices have refinements with greatly improved output energy?
There was mention of moving to the new models in the upcoming demonstrations, so there is still more coming.
Now that the ball is rolling, they can only dig the hole deeper or dig their self out!



 

Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: memoryman on June 01, 2019, 08:23:51 PM
"Maybe this was the first prototype" they claim to have several installations running and many more 'real soon'.
Crystal was made to demonstrate the unique principles; it utterly failed to demonstrate anything useful.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: tinu on June 02, 2019, 12:11:30 AM
So looks like this is an energy scam by a guy who needs more money as an ex CEO of an billion dollar aerospace company.. ?.....?..


maybe he is a sociopath and with more money for his secret technology he will take over the World and become president of the Earth Engine empire ....and the Universe later..



Acca..
Exactly!
Imho, these lame attempts of demonstrating something are done because they need to somehow justify the good money already spent for manufacturing those utterly useless but quite expensive contraptions. They are all prototypes so they were probably not cheap. Add salaries, rent, marketing costs and all the other expenses incurred and I guess the total is quite a large figure.
I hope their investors don't expect much in return for their bucks...
Still can't believe this kind of things continues to happen in our times!
 
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: rakarskiy on June 02, 2019, 12:39:08 PM
Well, has somebody recorded the Live transmission and can post it on Youtube ?
I had to go to pee at the time, Danzik wanted to show something and went from PC to  trying to watch it on my smartphone,but the stream chocked on my phone and then there was the liveshow already over...
I thought he would now show a 100 Watts LED bulb or something like this then...
Didn´t Danzik say, they will show at least a 500 Watt load on crystal ?

But did they at all connect a phone charger to the white Aliexpress alternator ontop of the crystal machine ?
Where was this phone charger located at the machine or in the control room ?

Regards, Stefan.

They will never show the finished model in action. The crystal display as a whole gives me only one definition of “attracting public attention”. The company has no price list of goods to order. If we recall the Hungarian company EBM «Energy by movement» https://users.atw.hu/ebm/research.html  (site closed at the beginning of 2019) https://youtu.be/vDeXTXYFKAY, then there was a stir and controversy. I know for sure that they installed 20 kW, and this was done by a partner from Ukraine. (frame and acceleration module) 22 kW SIEMENS generator was installed elsewhere. Output power 20 kW. In the overclocking mode, about 2 MW of closed energy is involved. Even the museum was. There is a very high probability that consumers received some of the energy produced through the meters.
So all of this is either a desire for fame, or a clowning for designation. A global curator will never allow these devices to enter the free market.
Respectfully!
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on June 02, 2019, 06:45:34 PM
Well, if this magnet motor would have really worked.they would have used supercaps instead of the Big Yellow Battery and would have charged them up and usedthis for driving the Steppermotor to attenuate the magenetic dfelection and then would have usedthe white Aliexpress generator to recharge the supercaps and would have shown,that the supercaps would not discharge...
But this way they have shown it, I am almost sure the steppermotor has drawn more power than the white generatorhas delivered...
So the demo was a real failure...
We will see, if the next demos will be simular and how they will show the bigger machines then...
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: rakarskiy on June 02, 2019, 09:22:21 PM
Well, if this magnet motor would have really worked.they would have used supercaps instead of the Big Yellow Battery and would have charged them up and usedthis for driving the Steppermotor to attenuate the magenetic dfelection and then would have usedthe white Aliexpress generator to recharge the supercaps and would have shown,that the supercaps would not discharge...
But this way they have shown it, I am almost sure the steppermotor has drawn more power than the white generatorhas delivered...
So the demo was a real failure...
We will see, if the next demos will be simular and how they will show the bigger machines then...
Regards, Stefan.

Most likely, these guys do not want to disclose technology. But the algorithm is correct. If you remember, a VEGA motor-generator was manufactured in Odessa (Ukraine) at one time. With a 1 kW MAGLEV generator installed, only 100 watts were selected. But the accelerator in a pulse engine with a generator system had a power of about 300 W, and the generator circuit, in this accelerator at 300 rpm, was 320 W. (At a speed of 300 rpm, the accelerating module imed samokhod, provided that the MAGLEV generator was fixed at 100 watts) As a result, the power / kg indicator and the cost of the device were not commercial. With this wonderful system of Americans, I suppose, the same story. Not having received commercial interest, they began to engage in clowning. Personally, I liked them, the system of contactless removal of torque.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: TinselKoala on June 03, 2019, 06:16:25 PM
 :-[

Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: AlienGrey on June 06, 2019, 11:04:09 PM
Na notice that vacant look on his face and also  how he is holding it down, so it doesn't float away !
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: lumen on June 10, 2019, 01:29:48 AM
So, is everyone convinced that the IEC devices don't work, Or that it was simply a bad demonstration that proved nothing.
I am asking because there is an interesting effect when the magnets are embedded into steel as a repelling ramp because the pushing magnet that causes the rotation is actually attracting into the repelling magnets and the ramp is still rotating without the repelling forces.

This itself is not that interesting except that when the controlling magnet is re-gated, it does so in attraction which takes less effort than when exposing under repelling forces.
Is that the secret that allows the IEC machines to operate?

Maybe it was intentional to have a mystical / just take my word for it demo, to delay any others progress?

Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: rakarskiy on June 10, 2019, 07:46:19 AM
So, is everyone convinced that the IEC devices don't work, Or that it was simply a bad demonstration that proved nothing.
I am asking because there is an interesting effect when the magnets are embedded into steel as a repelling ramp because the pushing magnet that causes the rotation is actually attracting into the repelling magnets and the ramp is still rotating without the repelling forces.

This itself is not that interesting except that when the controlling magnet is re-gated, it does so in attraction which takes less effort than when exposing under repelling forces.
Is that the secret that allows the IEC machines to operate?

Maybe it was intentional to have a mystical / just take my word for it demo, to delay any others progress?

My personal opinion is that this company has everything working. Their demonstration is more likely to declare itself than to reveal the technology. The peculiarity is that the company does not sell products, it provides the energy of its installations to the consumer. Nobody paid attention to such trifles. They clearly defined the market for themselves: remote areas where there are no extensive energy networks.
However, they do not sell installations and do not seek to uncover the technology. They declared themselves, I think in remote areas where these installations without fuel will provide energy to the consumer, through the meter will not violate the rules of the consumer market. they just teach us that even free energy needs to be bought. If you agree with these? You can apply it.
Personally, I have my own idea of ​​how this works for them, since it is in this direction that I study and develop.

This installation of Turkish engineers, for some reason did not cause a stir. Probably already working somewhere and it is possible that someone pays for electricity from this installation, without even knowing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQa206Zn14c
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hartiberlin on June 10, 2019, 07:42:40 PM
Is it dead already? However, Crystal is spinning away, but is it? I managed to directly download the delivered segments of video in .ts format (you have to be quick, the links expire fast). I did that over the last few days at different times of day. When opened in a video player and compared to each other, it turns out that every segment is 10 seconds long, shows the exact same 5 rounds after a jump where about 2 frames are skipped (probably due to unprecise editing of the loop), and every single frame is alike pixel by pixel. You can even see it in the "live" stream, when there is a tiny jump in the spokeswheel effect every 5 revolutions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvRL2S4YNRA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvRL2S4YNRA)

What you see here are 10 video segments, aligned behind each other and toggled through. This can be done with every single frame of the 10 seconds video segment, downloaded directly from the stream over a period of three days.



  Matt (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/?utm_source=reply&utm_medium=email&utm_content=read_more#comment-4496133458) • 34 minutes ago (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/?utm_source=reply&utm_medium=email&utm_content=read_more#comment-4496842264)  I was looking at the "live stream" yesterday and also thought it looked like a loop. Also, when I press pause on my screen, the video freezes on a frame. Then when I resume play, it starts from that particular frame, not as if it were rejoining a live streaming feed. I agree: not a live stream.


 Matt (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/?utm_source=reply&utm_medium=email&utm_content=read_more#comment-4496133458) • 8 hours ago (https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/?utm_source=reply&utm_medium=email&utm_content=read_more#comment-4496250222)  Matt - I've also occasionally looked at what's claimed to be a live stream, and seen the jumps. Of course, you can have a loop running feeding the live-stream rather than sending a short section of loop to be played locally. Maybe they'll re-edit the loop now you've mentioned it, in the same way as they initially sent a 10-second loop initially and changed it to "live stream" once you'd noted it.
Overall, a pretty amateur attempt at "proving" the thing is running. I wonder who they are really trying to convince. Someone within IEC must have realised that this is happening by now, and that they aren't really working for a company with a world-changing invention. 


Stefan Hartmann (https://disqus.com/by/stefan_hartmann/)   Yes, it was probably only a loop, probably to save bandwidth, but that is really bad lying , as it is NOT LIVE !
Why did they at all keep such a looped live feed ? , when the last demo was already obviously a failure ???


We wanna see the big motors powering up a toaster at least live !!
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: lumen on June 14, 2019, 03:12:50 AM
Has anyone put any thought into how the real units are working?
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: shylo on June 14, 2019, 12:22:12 PM
So far all I see is a battery powered flywheel.
I've built lots of those.
You can build one without the battery, just a cap bank , solar cell.
Mine ran until it got cloudy, and I was powering over 60 leds,.
artv
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: lumen on June 16, 2019, 10:40:47 PM
So it looks like things will continue!
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 02, 2019, 03:01:26 AM
I can't wait to see the next installment...if there is one.  It is quite possible they will claim the MIB made them shut down, etc.  I agree with Stefan that a much better, more convincing demo, could have been made using supercaps totally discharged...and then charged up to a known value with a meter on them to see if it is adding or losing energy during the tests.  IF there was any real energy at all coming out of this device, those caps would show an increase in charge. 


ANY "Free Energy" device demonstrated using a battery pack makes me dubious.


Bill
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: lumen on July 02, 2019, 05:38:30 AM
The part that I don't get is why are they using the demo device for the demonstrations and not one of those new models that put out 7.5 kw.
There should be no doubt in those measurements.

It's like they're stalling for more time by showing the older prototype machine in tiny steps and almost no power output.
I hope the newly installed generator and upgrades are able to provide some proven output over input.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: rakarskiy on July 02, 2019, 06:20:51 PM
I think they are interested in intrigue! Judging from the speeches of company executives, their device is already working on at least one facility in Arizona. The best advertisement is a demonstration of your product on a real object, with the recall of the owner. All demonstrations. for the sake of demonstration of the product game of intrigue!
The fact that an interesting solution is visible, but the implemented system, the consumer, with his recall, would be the best advertising company.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: rakarskiy on July 03, 2019, 09:46:10 PM
Is preparing for demonstrations 7.5 kilowatt facility in Italy (on the basis of magnetic motor nebezizvestnogo Turk)

https://www.dambros.com/hmsb-motor-test-event/

Quote
The test anticipates the continuous running of the HMSB motor for 3 days (72 hours).
To guarantee the utmost clarity and honesty of the test and in order not to have any dispute on the measurements, the test will consist in in the heating of a water boiler of 1,000 liters. This storage, at 65°C will release the water with a well defined thermal jumper.

To read the produced energy, a calories counter to measure the water delivery, the inlet and the outlet temperatures will be connected in order to calculate the produced kW. In addition to the calories counter, a water counter will be also installed so as to have a comparison measure.

Two electric counters, designed to measure the actual kW produced/consumed, will be installed between the power supply from the HMSB Motor and the electric heaters of the storage tank.
All the data will be collected and stored with a data logger and interfaced with a computer for subsequent analysis.

HMSB Motor produce:
Power: 7,5 kW
Energy produced:
7,5 kWh  hour
180 kWh  day
5.400 kWh month
65.700 kWh year
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ChileanOne on July 03, 2019, 10:31:43 PM
Is preparing for demonstrations 7.5 kilowatt facility in Italy (on the basis of magnetic motor nebezizvestnogo Turk)

https://www.dambros.com/hmsb-motor-test-event/ (https://www.dambros.com/hmsb-motor-test-event/)
That thing in Italy has nothing to do with IEC, it's allegedly based on the Yildiz magnet motor, and you forgot to mention it costs the not trivial sum of EUR 1222 VAT included, non refundable, just to attend.
 As someone that followed the Steorn Saga turned blunder from August 2006 to the bitter end in 2017 with the catastrophe of the Orbo "products" and still in touch through FB with a Sean McCarthy booted from Steorn, who is currently making a living off betting on poker sites and mining coins (with servers notoriously NOT powered by ORBO), I should know better than still let myself attracted to this kind of "stuff", for not using a harsher word.

I attempted to get myself in contact with IEC, to no avail, also with the Las Vegas customer, to no avail.

I am always hoping to be surprised, but in the case of magnet motors, I learnt the truth the hard way, and I am not going to fall for it again.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: rakarskiy on July 04, 2019, 07:25:42 AM
It doesn't matter, Americans, Italians or others. The American demonstration is a complete failure. They did not show their real design model #30 (25 kW) with the connected load that the manual demonstrated in in its video on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS92Mm4A8a0). My assessment works. Two self-sufficient electric motors with magnets, with flywheel Rotor. At the same time, the non-contact electromagnetic transmission of torque to the generator shaft is very successful. "Crystal" - a pitiful semblance of their motor.  I think their first idea was a real demonstration, but as always," someone " changed the idea and turned it into a clown lair.  Let's see what the Italians offer for demonstration. And the most interesting thing is that 7.5 kW is the power consumption of the average household.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: rakarskiy on July 05, 2019, 11:18:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yf6GyamSKw 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikP6n0YYG-A
 demonstration. And the most interesting thing is that 7.5 kW is the power consumption of the average household.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ChileanOne on July 05, 2019, 02:47:46 PM
I had seen the livestream earlier but I’d like watching paint dry. Nothing really telling of what is happening. The presentation was more informative, at least I got from there the website of the company making the motor. The involvement of Gaia, on the other hand, for me is like a sure deal and stamp of scam, but I withhold judgement for the time being. If you see the description of the streaming YouTube categorized it as “videogames”, so, this could all end up being just another viral marketing stunt.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hb9abx-felix on July 06, 2019, 02:17:14 PM
The test of the HMSB at "dambros.com" was ended, as the HMSB broke ...
See:  HMSB reports that the engine broke after 6 hours and 45 minutes without load, in agreement with GAIA and the D’Ambros company will carry out a new test at the D’Ambros site on August 3 -4 and 5 ,,,
detais are here: https://www.dambros.com/en/

Felix
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ChileanOne on July 06, 2019, 04:24:59 PM
The test of the HMSB at "dambros.com" was ended, as the HMSB broke ...
See:  HMSB reports that the engine broke after 6 hours and 45 minutes without load, in agreement with GAIA and the D’Ambros company will carry out a new test at the D’Ambros site on August 3 -4 and 5 ,,,
detais are here: https://www.dambros.com/en/ (https://www.dambros.com/en/)

Felix


I wonder how much was the booty, I mean, how many goofs, I mean customers, got ripped off, I mean, payed their “EUR 1222, VAT included non refundable” ticket.
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: conradelektro on July 06, 2019, 07:11:10 PM
Muammer Yildiz and his magnet motor appear every now and then at different events and with different partner firms, but the tests are always inconclusive. I thing that is going on since about 20 years.

Like Bedini, who must have talked about his motor more than 40 years.

The most incredible part is the endurance of the audience. May be it always new people who become interested.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ramset on July 06, 2019, 07:31:35 PM
Conrad// hope you did not lose any money ,or had to pay some admission fee here ?
I would imagine men pondered Flight for millennia.... and were thought heretics by those around them.
To presume no work could be done by a magnet [heresy too....?
just paying attention here [very inexpensive, I got in for free ,and I see a statement from the "vendor"//snip// HMSB reports that the engine broke after 6 hours and 45 minutes without load, in agreement with GAIA and the D’Ambros company will carry out a new test at the D’Ambros site on August 3 -4 and 5 and the entry will free for companies, designers, investors, and the last day even for private individuals, all of which always through registration.

HMSB apologizes for the incident and will refund the tickets to people who have not seen the engine running .

Please excuse us again about the HMSB incidentend
end snip //
////.  Chet
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: conradelektro on July 06, 2019, 07:53:04 PM
I would imagine men pondered Flight for millennia.... and were thought heretics by those around them.

Not a good comparison, because people have seen birds and insects flying happily for millenia. So, it was always known that flight is possible. But nobody has ever seen any equivalent of a magnet motor.

But comparisons always fail, because the possibility of flying (of one thing) does not imply anything about magnets (an other thing).

And being a heretic does not imply that the wishful thoughts of the heretic ever become true.

Science is not about believing or not believing, it is about proof.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ramset on July 06, 2019, 08:15:35 PM
IMO it would be quite arrogant to assume all is known in regard to the humble magnet or magnetic effects.

or to assume we could not harvest or benefit [perform useful work] in some as yet undiscovered anomaly.
If you wish to call that a "belief" ?
so be it ..........





   
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: hb9abx-felix on July 28, 2019, 07:02:03 PM
At IEC we have a new text at https://earthenginelive.com/
check this and wait for a earthenginelive.
I hope this will soon!
Title: Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
Post by: ChileanOne on July 28, 2019, 09:39:24 PM
At IEC we have a new text at https://earthenginelive.com/ (https://earthenginelive.com/)
check this and wait for a earthenginelive.
I hope this will soon!


Oh, they discovered new stuff and decided to stop everything else and focus on the new stuff!!!


How exciting!!!!.... NOT


Classical upping the ante behaviour of past and ongoing free energy based commercial scams.


I know is hard to hear but believe me, after more than 30 years of following this kind of stuff, this new announcement was seen coming from a 100 miles away.