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Author Topic: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas  (Read 31230 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2019, 04:45:40 PM »
It's just hilarious to check that comments in that post.
I read all the post in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bA2OMRcxKo from him, and it looks like a scratched disk, relating the content of their response with that already displayed on other occasions.There is no genuine interest in understanding how the device works, but rather attacking with the usual arguments that are impossible, or that are deceiving people or make people spend time and money.
 
After reading this quote I think he took a pistol and shot himself in the foot.

“And you know me well enough already to know whether or not my mind is closed to new discoveries? On the contrary, I am a scientist -- do you understand what that means, I wonder -- and my whole being is about new discoveries--”   Ohh TK is a  scientist!!!!! but ….  he say ….

And please do not "appeal to authority" by mentioning your NASA friend again. Scientists are absolutely the easiest people to fool, bar none. It takes special training and experience to detect the kind of fraud that is my special area of research, and a scientist who is used to encountering truth and accuracy in all things is the perfect foil.

To someone that not believe in device : “Let me ask you something in all seriousness. What is the moral position of an individual or company that has a free universal power source but wants to keep it secret and uses it only for profit -- while thousands of children die every single day in this world, from starvation, dysentery, warfare and other easily preventable causes, all due to lack of a cheap universal source of power? "


Is this a comedy? At least it brings good mood.
Let's wait because we should have news soon, and not ear this crap attack .
Preserved for posterity. You are going to feel pretty stupid in a few months when I post this again, Nelson. Even stupider than you do already.
I bolded the significant quote from my post. People like YOU should examine your consciences and figure out what you are really going to do to make this world better. Or you can continue making little gadgets that you yourself don't even understand, while children in your own country are starving and dying.

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2019, 04:49:10 PM »
I see here Mr.Walsh mentions perhaps the timeline is a few more weeks.?sorry if this had been posted here already ,the comments from Dansies forum are hard to follow.
I do have some contacts which were forwarded to me ,I'll try to make those calls early next week  and see about getting someone there who could possibly be viewed as an asset [by the principles] to this investigation as well as get a feel for what will be done at the test ...and will any tests [equipment] be forbidden?

to note
Member Wesley has postulated a controversial  power source for kapanadze device [transmitted from elsewhere]


Walsh quote
""This is why in a few weeks a world-renowned NASA/SpaceX energy systems consultant will be doing the definitive 3rd party testing that many have requested. This fellow has already confirmed the motor is a closed system with no external power source. Now he and his team will measure precisely how much power it can generate, and for how long (up to several days). And when this fellow with decades of experience gives it his approval, the world’s largest aerospace companies will stand up and take notice.""
// End Quote----------------------------------
//respectfully//Chet K
Chet.... "RESPECTFULLY".... you should look into the backgrounds and history of the people pushing this scheme. Check out the companies associated with Danzik. Check out the litigation he is involved in. Check out the relationship between IEC and Quantum Energy Inc. in Canada. RESPECTFULLY.... you are a tease, and this is a scam, and it won't be long before everybody... even Nelson... knows it. But you will still be "respectfully" teasing everyone with your phone calls and emails about nonsense.

And not only have I long ago "postulated" a "controversial  power source for kapanadze device [transmitted from elsewhere]" but I have actually DEMONSTRATED such transmission of power, and have even shown that one of Nelson's circuits makes a pretty good receiver for EM transmitted power.  And I think you know that if I wasted my time making a duplicate of a Kapa device, it would work fine as a wireless power receiver too.  But go on, keep teasing, you're doing great, keeping the interest stirred up and keeping people looking at bright shiny objects in the hands of magicians, instead of looking at real science and doing research properly.
Respectfully... that's what respect looks like.

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2019, 05:13:30 PM »
Preserved for posterity. You are going to feel pretty stupid in a few months when I post this again, Nelson. Even stupider than you do already.
I bolded the significant quote from my post. People like YOU should examine your consciences and figure out what you are really going to do to make this world better. Or you can continue making little gadgets that you yourself don't even understand, while children in your own country are starving and dying.

Yes pretty stupid is the figure you are passing by, calling stupid to others when you don't have arguments ..,either children in my country (Portugal) are not starving and dying , and this affirmations shows how much demagogue you can be.
Stupidity it's the arrogant way you usually talk to people, making affirmations based on your ego and not in really data . You do not even know how the device works, but you have the audacity, to make the comments you made creating doubts and divisions in people and without any information from the source.

If you want to make this world better, you should do something much more positive like helping a mission in Africa for example, something you probably have never done … see why you talk without know the facts ? Myself already help in 2 missions in Angola and in Salt Island   and even that i have time to make my little gadgets like you call that :)
About my little gadgets , that i did not understand  in your opinion, What worries you have about that? I dont no how they works but you know …. lol
 Are you feel preet stupid already ?  Because i’m not


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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2019, 05:21:25 PM »
Chet.... "RESPECTFULLY".... you should look into the backgrounds and history of the people pushing this scheme. Check out the companies associated with Danzik. Check out the litigation he is involved in. Check out the relationship between IEC and Quantum Energy Inc. in Canada. RESPECTFULLY.... you are a tease, and this is a scam, and it won't be long before everybody... even Nelson... knows it. But you will still be "respectfully" teasing everyone with your phone calls and emails about nonsense.

And not only have I long ago "postulated" a "controversial  power source for kapanadze device [transmitted from elsewhere]" but I have actually DEMONSTRATED such transmission of power, and have even shown that one of Nelson's circuits makes a pretty good receiver for EM transmitted power.  And I think you know that if I wasted my time making a duplicate of a Kapa device, it would work fine as a wireless power receiver too.  But go on, keep teasing, you're doing great, keeping the interest stirred up and keeping people looking at bright shiny objects in the hands of magicians, instead of looking at real science and doing research properly.
Respectfully... that's what respect looks like.


"and have even shown that one of Nelson's circuits makes a pretty good receiver for EM transmitted power. "
OHHHHHHH !!!???? Are you replicate my crap little gadgets ? lol  why ?
deserved your attention? Since I do not know how my circuits work according to your theory, could you explain to me how the circuit you reproduced works? If it can be, for free of course :) I know you usually charge for your opinion.
About my opinion related with IEC and Quantum Energy Inc, is neutral because i don't know the modus operandus of their machine .
Did you already know the details  to call  a scam ?

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Offline ramset

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #64 on: April 13, 2019, 07:23:15 PM »
 Well I definitely don’t have any legal training [but plenty of life’s experience] I also don’t have the training or life experience that Tinsel  has in these areas ...and can understand his zeal .
Few people have your experience Tinsel.
 What I do know is how to test ...having spent 40 years interacting with test labs and very high risk applications as well as all manner of Free Energy testing this last decade or more...  .
.... that I know how to do ... and yes consulting with persons trained in the various fields is all a part of that,// however....  Seeing Mr. Walsh bring a NASA Test person to the table.. we all know NASA protocols are the benchmark for any industry...Putting such a protocol for peer review ...as a known person ??_thats_ a very good start.================

Nelson while it pains me to see these anxious interactions on this forum, I am grateful for one thing,,, and that is the privilege to read of your work outside of these forums..to help those in need ...that is another benchmark moment in my opinion.

So yes Tinsel, I will be finding out what the protocols are if I can ...and offer to help expedite the vetting of this claim .[perhaps additional peer reviews]
and for clarity, my path is never an endorsement of claims ,nor some excuse to "tease", or waste my time or the time of others !!

 Respectfully
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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
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Offline Acca

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2019, 08:14:00 PM »
So looks like this is an energy scam by a guy who needs more money as an ex CEO of an billion dollar aerospace company.. ?.....?..


maybe he is a sociopath and with more money for his secret technology he will take over the World and become president of the Earth Engine empire ....and the Universe later..



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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #66 on: April 13, 2019, 09:36:51 PM »
TinselKoala  Stefan Hartmann2 hours ago The motor that seems to be connected to the monitoring software is just turning a water pump thru a "z drive", but the pump isn't even pumping. Maybe they don't have the valves open yet. I don't see any evidence of electrical loads on the motors in the video.
So you are just ignoring the clearly spelled out "AC Motor Voltage" and "AC Motor Current" values on the screen? There is nothing electrical apparently being driven by this "Earth Engine" yet it has an "AC Motor Voltage" and "AC Motor Current" live reading on the screen, that fluctuates slightly during the presentation? I think that _this_ may be the power to the "lens" and is actually driving the rotor as an ordinary pulse motor.
I am happy to be proven wrong by a real demonstration, with it powering an actual known load of electric heaters boiling water.  And sure, have the forklift take it out to the parking lot with the heaters attached. I'd love to see that.
Stefan Hartmann  TinselKoalaa few seconds from now Yes, TK, I agree with the needed Demo with some electric heaters connected showing real KWatts outputs...just showing only a spinning motor is real lame, if they really have a motor, that can produce some KWatts of really  free output power...
But I guess this AC Motor Voltage and AC Motor Current might be the parasitric load Danzik spoke about in the first video inside the Shooting Range Container, which is needed to recharge the starting batteries... And this is in the ballpark of about 600 Watts which he spoke of....
So it probably must be spelled AC Generator Voltage, not "Motor"... probably some kind of alternator they hooked up to the motor... maybe that is also generating the pulses to generate the 54 Watts pulses he spoke about to energize the coils to get over the sticky points with the permanent magnets or something like this...to get into the propelling phase of the magnets producing real torque and store it into the flywheels...Who knows... So nobody yet have gone there and have a look yet ?
Why are there no engineers interested in it living near Las Vegas ??
Regards. Stefan.


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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #67 on: April 14, 2019, 08:00:19 PM »
Group of very valuable  members of this forum decided to compare their position as subject in question is  quite  puzzling.

Dear friends I didn't go deep into it  just because from science stand point it is impossible.
But from the other hand group of Hungarian  Scientists under entity named - EBM sold  themselves  big  time, to entity that wanted this to be silent forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wys68tMvh5w
Lutec sold himself too.

Magnets do not cooperate AND WILL NEVER COOPERATE.
Magnetic field  of the  magnet is self-contained ignorant force. The only benefit you will have
if you play by magnet rules.
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magnetic fields can't do work
https://www.quora.com/If-magnetic-fields-cant-do-work-how-can-one-magnet-physically-move-another
 
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often read that there are some machines that appear to actually produce energy, but actually do that by weakening the permanent magnets in them :
Answer:
That seems reasonable at first. A magnetic field does store energy - You have to do some work to set up a magnetic field and the same amount of work (minus losses) can be extracted from it when you collapse it. All coils work on that principle.
http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?t=41395


Wesley's summary:
conclusion: energy IN to magnetize = losses + energy out due to demagnetization.
So the device may be NOT FAKE only if there is energy conversion taking place.
And that we do not know.

Example:
Energy stored in flywheel =  energy delivered + losses.
So that is not the case but:
Speeding up the wheel, makes energy stored to act as "more heavy hammer" able to open more heavy valve of the pipe connected to  the river.
Part of that water flow in the pipe, can be used to store even more energy in flywheel, and rest of it is used  to  power the load.
And that is how I  explain energy conversion.

Magician knows his tricks. However it doesn't mean that  the trick is fake.
The truth about any magician comes out when his reality show is to be cashed out.
That is why I work with real surface wave based on real billions dollars  dedicated to  by Chevron. Viziv.
If that doesn't work nobody  from you is going to lose. It is their business not yours.

So I  got for today : real technology  that explains Tariel Kapanadze  due to
Schumann  waveguide energy fluctuations.
And that is the difference between me and anyone-else.
An yes  I'm at,  no profit  and big spending for the past 10  years.
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I do it because I like it.
In my 20ties I said:
I like science more than chasing girls
Is there anyone else in the world like me?
I don't know.
But I know that  there is plenty of money paid to stop it.


Wesley
 

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #69 on: April 30, 2019, 04:31:20 PM »
The Inventor D. Danzik wrote:

OK, so normally I would not comment on these Boards but I think it will help all that view this video to point out several facts about the "Crystal" project. Crystal was designed and constructed for one purpose; to prove that a paired static magnetic field induces spin in a flywheel, regardless of mass. The Engines flywheel is 107 cm in diameter and just over 280 kg (600+ pounds). In the video you see it spinning at idle, not at running speed. It is designed only to operate at 60 to 100 RPM due to the fact that the strength of materials limits its speed. IEC commercial Engine models operate at 100 to 500 RPM and have flywheel mass > 1800 kg. The Engine runs purely from a paired set of permanent magnets. The very small timing device is 24V and controls only the attenuation of the magnetic field. The small battery that you see in the also transparent control panel is 24V and is used to  pace the Engine (a governor). There are no internal batteries, wires, motors or drives. The Crystal Engine was built so that it can be shown in constant running tests, live, within the next several weeks. The battery is used for starting and to show a closed loop system. As shown, by the AccuEnergy Meter, the "IN" is less than 11 watts at >1 Sec, per rotation at idle. The "OUT" will be displayed during the running show in mid May. Do not get hung up on batteries. All engines require a small starting battery, regardless of gasoline, diesel or turbine design, battery power, or some other form of capacitance is necessary. As of our current time in history, no engine will operate without initial power to start, and deliver initial power to its operating system. That said, Crystal is closed loop. Its main source of energy, once started, is a 500W three phase alternator, rectified to DC with a 30 to 50V charging circuit. If you chose to tune in, you will have the ability to see all sides of Crystal including the output alternator. i look forward to seeing some positive comments, and possibly some suggestions as to what you would like to view in our upcoming broadcast.

  (https://yt3.ggpht.com/-jtmukPe4gjI/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/klPAK1CsXkQ/s48-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg)       Dennis M Danzik   1 day ago    @Ma Be OK, a little less trying to debunk and a little more intellectual curiosity would do you some good. First, stop reading literally from a slanted perspective. No legitimate power source, that contains moving parts cannot operate without logic. In the case of Magnetic Propulsion, that logic (that requires a very small current) is critical. The Engine does start on its own magnetic force, and this will be shown in the live broadcast. There is no secret battery in the "Box", and that Box will be much more transparent in a few days and prior to the live broadcast. The "main source of energy" applies to the Engine's output, which is a small 500W permanent magnet three phase alternator. Keep in mind that Crystal is a laboratory demonstrator, not one of our commercial units. The Engine consumes (parasitic) 11 to 15 watts. Its output will be shown in the live broadcast. As well, we are having the Crystal Engine go under industrial X-ray to certify that there are no hidden wires, batteries or motors. As far a "recharging", that is a company decision that has to do with recycling the fuel (magnets), so that the fuel can be recycled in its original form. Sources of magnetic fields of this type typically have a half life of just over 15 years.  I do appreciate your interest, but questions not asked in the pejorative, will produce replies as time allows. Stay tuned!
I wrote:
Without any load that thing as it is now,  should spin up and accelerate and not just idle as it is now....
if it really would be a free energy machine... That it only idles on the battery, already tells us, that the magnet deflection mechanism, that is now powered by the 24 Volts battery is not enough to drive an additional load at all... If they will put an additional load on, the rotor would slow down immediately and loosing RPM...
Hmm...anyway, looking forward to the upcoming Live demo...
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #70 on: April 30, 2019, 07:59:37 PM »
Of course I have no more information than is visible in this thread, but just by looking at the website https://ie.energy/earth_engine.html my hair stands up.

If I had such a wonder "earth engine" I would show it in action (producing at least 1 kW output power) and let independent parties measure input and output. (The inner workings need not to be disclosed.)

Why do they refrain from such a logical and straightforward presentation?

The only rational answer: it does not work as claimed!

There are no miracles! Nice videos and bold claims are no miracles, they are boring.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #71 on: May 02, 2019, 03:40:48 PM »
Hi all,
I haven't posted in a long time but this motor/generator has my attention. 
After all the yakking, it obviously has a governor, it is tied to a generator,it requires a certain amount of energy in the control circuits.  Afterwords,the one thing most are missing is the energy in the flywheel.  Rememberthe old Mass X velocity squared?  Just something to think about.
Why hasn't anyone asked how much energy savings have been documentated
at the installations?  All they say is they are happy with the installations.

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #72 on: May 02, 2019, 04:15:57 PM »
Hi all,
I haven't posted in a long time but this motor/generator has my attention. 
After all the yakking, it obviously has a governor, it is tied to a generator,it requires a certain amount of energy in the control circuits.  Afterwords,the one thing most are missing is the energy in the flywheel.  Rememberthe old Mass X velocity squared?  Just something to think about.
Why hasn't anyone asked how much energy savings have been documentated
at the installations?  All they say is they are happy with the installations.

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I agree. They may be using the mass of the flywheel like a giant supercap that is first set spinning (charged), then the energy for a very short video demonstration bleeds the energy off the flywheel (discharge mode) and registers some peak output from the alternator, long enough in the meters for the camera.

Regards

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2019, 07:29:02 PM »
This could be a swindle on the scale of the Liquid Air perpetual power scam perpetrated at the turn of the 20th century.

Or it could be legitimate. There are at least two things in the motor’s construction that lend legitimacy to it.
1 - It uses static redirection of the magnetic field to shape the field vectors.
2 - It uses a movable magnetic or ferromagnetic member to dynamically alter field vectors and that movement is at a right angle, approximately, to the rotor field vectors.

Time will tell.

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #74 on: May 02, 2019, 07:37:37 PM »
Very simple to verify.  Put a 500 watt resistive load on the Alternator.Watch the RP'm. if they stay constant, Rat on...If they drop till it stops.....bah humbug.I guess that would be too easy!

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