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Author Topic: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas  (Read 18243 times)

Offline k4zep

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #90 on: May 15, 2019, 07:33:35 PM »
Hi Stephan,
Looked at the specs. for the inverter/grid tie inverter.  It appears to run off of a 48VDC battery or 120VAC @ 55/65 Hz in the charge mode.  Their generator I don't know if they plan to charge batteries then switch over to running off the batteries, etc. It sure would be nice if they show the wiring diagram of the complete unit as set up and running and describe how they propose that it operates.  Possibly the motor/generator simply charges the batteries and the inverter then supply's to the load.  With the isolation of the inverter from the motor/generator it becomes a question as to the requirements of the "Parasitic" needs of the motor control circuitry.  Again, removal from the grid should be very simple and straightforward.  I would be impressed if while supplying/energizing the drive circuitry to the motor and a 5KW load, it did not slowly wind down as the batteries die and the inverter quits with a low DC voltage cutoff hence loosing drive to the motor.
BTW, that is a heck of a nice grid tie inverter and very efficient!

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #91 on: May 15, 2019, 08:46:50 PM »
Hi Ben,well I don´t exactly know, if that really is the shown inverter or a simular model from Schneider Electric...Also in the video you can shortly see also a second device obviously from Schneider Electric hanging at the wall...but it could not be seen completely... so We must wait and see and maybe they will show today something in the livevideo ?

by the way, here is the inventor in a picture from his Facebook profile sitting in a funny American style car ! lol....https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151159026895404

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #92 on: May 15, 2019, 09:13:32 PM »
Just a heads up, I just tried to see how things were going with the Earth Engine and both my browsers red flagged them as malware. Didn't have that problem yesterday.


Redirects?

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #92 on: May 15, 2019, 09:13:32 PM »
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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #93 on: May 15, 2019, 10:39:05 PM »
Just a heads up, I just tried to see how things were going with the Earth Engine and both my browsers red flagged them as malware. Didn't have that problem yesterday.


Redirects?

Well, no not malware or any script problem, just earthenginelive.com runs only via http and not https so your browser just  shows this in the URL box...
So giving into forms your personal information is then not transfered encrypted...but this is the only page, where you can do this:
http://earthenginelive.com/contact.html
But as these are no login informations or something very private informations, this probably is not so important and also not dangerous...



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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #94 on: May 16, 2019, 12:53:44 AM »
Seems to me the live demonstration is working now, but no indication of a real load.  :-[

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #95 on: May 16, 2019, 12:45:33 PM »
Well, it is really disapointing...I just analyzed the source code of the webpage...

It is no real Live Stream, just a 11 second loop, it is just a recorded MP4 Video file:here it is stored..
http://earthenginelive.com/live/rtsp-stream.mp4
So also no real load to see, just idling away....probably all powered by the big yellow battery...seen in the former video...So we are still waiting to see, if they will show a real KWatts load on any of their motors...

So still waiting for member Chet to get a few good engineers to them who have the right knowledge to measure it correctly...
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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #96 on: May 16, 2019, 02:01:27 PM »
Why this typical scam like behaviour?

I would accept an engine that can turn by itself for some time. It would be interesting without the double talk. Why not state the situation clearly?

No sane person will believe talk about 25 KW ( https://ie.energy/ , 25 KW, 24 Hours a Day, 7 Days a Week, 365 Days a Year) without real proof.

Is it an attempt to lure investors? If this is the case, it is very badly done. How naive can a investor be?

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #97 on: May 16, 2019, 02:41:09 PM »
Well, it is really disapointing...I just analyzed the source code of the webpage...

It is no real Live Stream, just a 11 second loop, it is just a recorded MP4 Video file:here it is stored..
http://earthenginelive.com/live/rtsp-stream.mp4
So also no real load to see, just idling away....probably all powered by the big yellow battery...seen in the former video...So we are still waiting to see, if they will show a real KWatts load on any of their motors...

So still waiting for member Chet to get a few good engineers to them who have the right knowledge to measure it correctly...
Regards, Stefan.


I'm not defending them nor am I interested in what they are doing but just wanted to inform you that because it's a mp4 file it does not mean it's not a live stream. This is commonly done on the web so that clients do not directly connect to the live stream source (the camera) and hog up all the connections to it over RTSP. And also so the stream can be embededed in a html5 video tag so that clients don't need any special plugins to view it. Here are code libraries that do just that:
https://github.com/horgh/videostreamer
https://github.com/Streamedian/html5_rtsp_player/wiki/HTML5-RTSP-Player

Just to be on the fair side.

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #98 on: May 16, 2019, 03:17:26 PM »
Imho it's possible to extract energy from permanent magnets only if a proper setup is built as to intentionally deplete them eventually. Not worth the effort, though. 
Also, imho it is possible to extract very small amounts of energy from the magnetic field of Earth. Suffice, in principle, to build a fixed large coil that rotates with Earth (1/24h) and captures flux variations due to Earth-Sun asymmetric magnetic field. I pondered for years if it'd be possible to increase such a minute power level by using a setup made of air-core coil(s) that run at a sufficiently high frequency to increase power output but also at a low enough frequency as to take advantage of magnetic reconnection in a relatively large space surrounding the coil(s). Maybe this could be the theoretical basis for some interesting devices scrutinized here in the last years? Anyway, I'm far from cracking any of them...
 
On the same line, I think it would be morally wrong to perfect such a device because it will obviously draw its energy from Earth's magnetic field, which I consider to be a non-regenerable asset. Imagine what would be the consequences of billions and billions of such devices running restlessly for years at high power levels ... This is a real dilemma I have for not pursuing this idea at full capacity! Same applies with extracting energy from Earth's electric field...
 
Strictly on-topic, I am suspiciously watching it, waiting for some substance info to be released. So far all I can see is smoke.
Best regards!
 
« Last Edit: May 16, 2019, 08:39:24 PM by tinu »

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #98 on: May 16, 2019, 03:17:26 PM »
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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #99 on: May 16, 2019, 08:11:42 PM »
 Karl Walsh The 11 second loop is a software glitch that’s being fixed. When you want to fool people you do it with a 30 minute loop—not 11 seconds where the image obviously stops and reloads. I’ve seen this happen often with ATP pro tennis livestream. When the tennis live feed has a glitch it defaults to a 1 min 58 sec loop. Very peculiar. Anyway, the motor is pulling a small load— all the cameras— and that will be explained when the new page layout is finished. There will also be either a video timestamp or a physical clock atop Crystal. My vote is for the clock as that would be more difficult to fake. New software has been installed and you should see the improvements today. It’s been quite the learning curve for a team without much experience in livestreaming.
 Stefan Hartmann to  Karl Walsh7 minutes ago Thanks for the info. Cool would be, if they could at least show a 10 Watts LED light running all day long
from the generator output, also if it is not the promised 500 Watts load...If it could at least trickle charge its own battery and still be able to run a 10 Watts LED light , that would already show some additional output...and be more output than it uses itsself....
 
Stefan Hartmann   • a few seconds from now Also with a big sized Joule Thief circuit you can easily lightup a 10 Watts LED with just 1 to 3 Watts fully and additionally keep up the big yellow battery charged.... so such a setup would use less than 5 Watts, if you do it right and your magnet deflection arm is not drawing too much power and maybe could be redesigned to just use a relay mechanism instead of a motor, that only uses just one short current pulse....
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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #100 on: May 16, 2019, 10:20:11 PM »
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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #101 on: May 16, 2019, 10:47:46 PM »
8-45 US$ cents/KWh lease price for a "very similar" disclosed concept :
https://patents.google.com/patent/DE4304132A1/en
https://patents.google.com/patent/DE4304132A1/de
It is not a trick,  it is simple - material expensive- engineering :
                                          lever arm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jg4e8W44_E4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D116V8rYR1s

pure system costs : 1500 Euros/KW,5% tax calc. and 10 years AfA/ amortization : by 100% time-capacity lease :
                                             3 Euro-cents/KWh

       most expensive part:  1000 Euros/KW for the  low speed generator(motor) to pay

Difference : over-head profits temptation

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #102 on: May 17, 2019, 12:46:55 AM »
Interesting live feed! 
I was collecting some data from it and so far I saw the following:
 
Rotor was initially making about 36.8(5) rpm. Speed was slowly decaying for a while then it suddenly jumped close to 39 rpm before reverting back to the average 36.8(5) rpm. I found it intriguing, at least.
Now, my data set is on 1000 revs (cca.27min) taken on sets of 10 revs and I did it mostly by hand, using a simple on-line stopwatch (http://stopwatch.online-timers.com/stopwatch-with-several-finishes) and a quick excel file. Tenuous and dirty job... and I might be wrong due to various factors. Unfortunately I'll be travelling for another week and I don't think I'll be able to repeat it by taking more data sets.
Is it anyone available to collect some better data on the engine rpm over time as to see if it's slowing down or if the above peculiarity I think I've noticed is real or not? Maybe by video processing? You know... a good rpm graph can shed light on many things. ;)

Many thanks!
 

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #103 on: May 17, 2019, 02:01:03 AM »
They have fixed now the Livestream and it is really streamed live.


Now also the Wall Street Journal article is out:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-mans-unlikely-quest-to-power-the-world-with-magnets-11558029179?emailToken=96b1b6a6bc5037cb1733473796fbc9b03yWZ2z0vNuzZaGBkOo0XODD2Q5deXLgOR4n+7X8531Pa/qQ2YIqxuMrXfIIMsBzUMKtEwVdnntVM1UmKNoYTSDEvIPoYLOcUnnywW8n3DSCfGu3iKdgs+ZyF6ptuigad&reflink=article_copyURL_share

Is it truly a WSJ article, or is it a IEC advertisement? Every page is branded on the top with "Advertisement". If advert, then the question is how much did they pay WSJ for the IEC  advert and are they hoping this sum will lend credence to their "device".
Fishing in the big pond for tuna when the local trout stream ran out?

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Re: IEC Earth Engine First Magnet motor installed in Las Vegas
« Reply #104 on: May 17, 2019, 11:24:34 AM »
Karl Walsh says here https://disqus.com/by/disqus_nRIc9SP37D/ 4 hours ago: "And regarding a battery question— that would seem irrelevant for a motor that will for run for months. "

Why not state the capacity of the battery and the load on the wonder engine? One then could easily calculate how long the battery should last.

Strange behaviour!

How should one trust people who answer like that?

What is the live stream supposed to prove?

Greetings, Conrad

 

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