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Title: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: trevstar on February 07, 2019, 01:14:11 AM
Hi everybody.
I have been lurking on overunity.com for years.This is my first post.   I have been looking to
buy the Bedini SG Motor. I have seen parts for salebut this is the only place I have found it almostfully assembled. Does anyone know if the selleris reliable and does he deliver a quality product?https://www.horn.cc/shop2/prestashop/en/bedini/19-the-new-bedini-schoolgirl-energizer.html
Thank you for your inputTrevor
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: ALVARO_CS on February 07, 2019, 09:17:55 AM
See this one (half cheap)

https://www.banggood.com/STARK-35-Bedini-Brushless-Model-Magnets-Pseudo-Perpetual-Motion-Disc-Motor-24V-Science-Toy-p-1413242.html?rmmds=search&cur_warehouse=CN


But it is fed by a power suply, so against Bedini philosophy and findings. which makes it just a kind of pulsed motor, with no recovery battery.
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: trevstar on February 07, 2019, 09:43:21 PM
Thanks Alvaro,
Great find!

But if it is true that it runs on AC then Iguess that will not work for me.They have some great photos but theydon't give any information at all.If it could be adapted to run onthe single 9 volt battery and endlesslyrecharge like Bedini's  that wouldhelp.

Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: citfta on February 07, 2019, 10:02:54 PM
Thanks Alvaro,
Great find!

But if it is true that it runs on AC then Iguess that will not work for me.They have some great photos but theydon't give any information at all.If it could be adapted to run onthe single 9 volt battery and endlesslyrecharge like Bedini's  that wouldhelp.

I have built several versions on the Bedini SSG.  None of them will endlessly recharge.  And I am not aware of any one else getting one to endlessly recharge.  I have been on several forums like this one for over 10 years so I think I would have seen one by now if anyone had actually gotten one to endlessly recharge.  I have seen all the claims but no proof that those claims are true.

But I really think you should build one if you have no electronic experience.  You will learn a lot as you get it to work and then tune it for the best possible operation.  They are a great educational tool.  I have helped several people get theirs to run after they built them.  I will be glad to help you get yours to work also if you decide to build one.

Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: trevstar on February 07, 2019, 11:43:07 PM
Hi Carroll
The claim is Bedini had one running 12 years. I would hope for one that would last a year.  How long do the ones you build last?
Trevor
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: citfta on February 08, 2019, 12:10:56 AM
Hi Trevor,

I never did try to run one to see how long it would last.  What I did find was that the battery was slowly dropping so I stopped before doing harm to the battery.  I know they will continue to run for a very long time if you aren't concerned about harming the battery.  I mean that they will run on a very small amount of current so they will keep running as the voltage drops.  And there is a good possibility that ALL the tricks as to how he did that have never been revealed.  And there may be some out there that have been running for a few months or years and the builder has decided to not share how he did it.  So I am not saying it can't be done.  I am only saying I haven't seen one and haven't gotten any of mine to run without the battery dropping.  You may be able to get yours to work better than mine.  But at any rate it would be a good experience for you.

Take care,
Carroll
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: trevstar on February 08, 2019, 04:06:42 AM
Ok. I have a dumb question. Anyone please chip in.
Is it possible to replace the battery in the SG motor with a supercapacitor?  From my limited understanding of the device, that would not work.  But what do you all think?

Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: tinman on February 08, 2019, 08:23:09 AM
Ok. I have a dumb question. Anyone please chip in.
Is it possible to replace the battery in the SG motor with a supercapacitor?  From my limited understanding of the device, that would not work.  But what do you all think?

Yes you can replace both batteries with super caps if you wish-no problem there.

If you wish for your pulse motor to run for a year,just use large bstteries. The !self running! claim by the Bedini fan club is a lie.
There has never been a self running pulse motor built.

What is it you are trying to achieve with your pulse motor ?


Brad
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: Hoppy on February 08, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
I think its fairly well accepted by those skilled in the art, that the energiser will not run for ever on a given battery. Furthermore, the energiser is claimed to condition batteries and not harmful to them in the long run, so long as the energiser runs together with a cap pulser output. As I understand, the continuous running claim relates to an energiser / cap pulser setup whereby continuous swapping between source and charge batteries is in force.
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: tinman on February 08, 2019, 11:08:07 AM
I think its fairly well accepted by those skilled in the art, that the energiser will not run for ever on a given battery. Furthermore, the energiser is claimed to condition batteries and not harmful to them in the long run, so long as the energiser runs together with a cap pulser output. As I understand, the continuous running claim relates to an energiser / cap pulser setup whereby continuous swapping between source and charge batteries is in force.

I would agree Hoppy that the SSG can(at a slow rate)desulphate batteries.

I also had one extremely close to running it self a few years back,and that was on cap's.
I wish i still had that one,as i believe if i had of switched to Schottky diode's to reduce the voltage drop,it would have/may have run it self. But being back in my green days,i would pull one thing apart to make the next.


Brad.
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: Void on February 08, 2019, 07:41:26 PM
I know it depends on different factors such as how many windings there are on coils,
and how big and heavy the wheel is, but roughly how much current does a SSG draw
when running with a 12V and also with a 24V battery? Just want to get a rough idea of
the amount of input power required to run SSG setups.
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: Hoppy on February 08, 2019, 08:27:00 PM
I know it depends on different factors such as how many windings there are on coils,
and how big and heavy the wheel is, but roughly how much current does a SSG draw
when running with a 12V and also with a 24V battery? Just want to get a rough idea of
the amount of input power required to run SSG setups.
Void.

There are several other variables governing current draw but in general terms the average current can be as low as a few milliamps. The SSG wheel axle can also be coupled to a generator when the device is scaled-up in size and power rating.
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: citfta on February 08, 2019, 08:37:22 PM
I know it depends on different factors such as how many windings there are on coils,
and how big and heavy the wheel is, but roughly how much current does a SSG draw
when running with a 12V and also with a 24V battery? Just want to get a rough idea of
the amount of input power required to run SSG setups.

It has been a few years since I last played around with the SSG.  But if I recall correctly I could usually get my current down to about 150 milliamps.  This was a 18" bicycle wheel with about  20 ceramic magnets on it.  The magnets were the rectangular ones you can get at Lowes.  I think they are 1/2" by 1" by 2 ".  The coil was the standard coil called for which is a one pound solder spool wound bifilar until full with 21 awg and 24 awg wire.  The center of my spool was filled until packed with some pieces of electric fence wire.  That seems to make a cheap and effective core.
Carroll
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: Grumage on February 08, 2019, 08:50:13 PM
Hi All.

Like Brad, I built a variant of the Bedini SSG. It had six Neodymium block magnets NSNSNS and they were quite large at 20/25/30 mm section. I used the Bedini/Cole " window " method to both drive and collect from the motor.

This motor after many hours of tinkering ran continuously for three months without dropping the 7 AH SLA battery below 8.7 VDC. I used a mechanical switch for both drive and collection from the 1000 turn pickup coil.

Although I considered the motor a success insofar as it ran, no useable output power could be got and, like Brad I scrapped it.

The spooky part was that this motor, running on a ground floor back room was below number 2 son's bedroom. He started complaining about poor sleep and recurring nightmares etc. We put it down to his age.... Not so, the day I finally decided to pull the plug on the project was the best nights sleep he'd had in months!!

I have no photos either as on one occasion I borrowed my daughters Kodak digital camera and it wiped the memory card clean, took out all her recent holiday snaps too. I have no explanation for these events, it could just as easily have been coincidental!!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: Void on February 08, 2019, 10:15:29 PM
Hello Hoppy, Citfta, Grumage,
Thanks for the info on the SSG's. So it seems input power draw can vary quite a bit
depending on the exact setup.
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: tinman on February 09, 2019, 03:05:41 PM
Hello Hoppy, Citfta, Grumage,
Thanks for the info on the SSG's. So it seems input power draw can vary quite a bit
depending on the exact setup.

It can vary from Uw to Kw,just depends on how big you want to go.
Of course a Kw motor would be rather large  :D

Most desktop SSG pulse motors draw around 50-200mA @ 12 volt's.
You then should be able to recover around 80% of that through your inductive kickback when the motor is tuned correctly.

Then there is the window motor  ;)
Below is a video of my first window motor,where i used magnetic bearings for the shaft.
This is the one i thing may have self run had i used Schottky diodes to reduce the V/drop across the diodes,which you can see was around .8v across the standard diodes i used.

The run caps are 2x 1000uF 25 volt cap's--so not a large storage capacity.
But if you look at the big paddle rotor,and take into account the amount of air that would be shifting,then i think it was doing quite well  ;)

This was back in 2012,and i had only just begun this free energy stuff.
Had no idea about  Schottky diodes back then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67R5ksfFF14


Brad
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: Void on February 09, 2019, 05:05:52 PM
Hi Brad. Wow, that really is a very efficient window motor. The total draw
on the run capacitors must have only been very small indeed for the voltage to fall
that slowly. Well done!
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: AlienGrey on February 09, 2019, 05:38:08 PM
Ok. I have a dumb question. Anyone, please chip in.
Is it possible to replace the battery in the SG motor with a supercapacitor?  From my limited understanding of the device, that would not work.  But what do you all think?
That's a good point as a LAcid battery wastes 50% of the energy in its process.
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: trevstar on February 11, 2019, 03:56:20 AM
Well I started this thread looking for a good SG Motor but now I have found something BETTER!  This guy created a crystal battery that lasted a year and a half. I n another video he has batteries running up to four years! The batteries are easy to build and have decent power. They run MOTORS not LEDs.  In another video he put together 10 batteries to run a decent sized fan, about 15 volts. I am going to work on this now!Trevor
http://action.news/watch?v=Mzq_qWIhamQ

Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: skywatcher on February 11, 2019, 08:04:29 PM
What's the point about running a small motor from a battery ?
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: trevstar on February 11, 2019, 09:08:41 PM
Well it's not just a motor, it can power anything you want and to get more power you just add more batteries. This does not even have to be practical. Personally, I just love having a device that will run day after day, week after week......  up into years.  I can see a lot of fun with this.  Imagine a demo where you fit this on a toy car and it goes around in circles for months at a time!  Or you give a fan to a friend and they have it blowing in their roomweek after week after.................    The main problem would be the fan or the car breaking down not the power source.   Here is where  the batteries are running a decent sized fan.

http://action.news/watch?v=QZ0oCND23S4

Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: skywatcher on February 11, 2019, 09:26:43 PM
But it's still only a chemical battery. You can have the same results by using a normal battery of comparable size and weight. And it's not 'free' because you have to pay for the material, which will be depleted after some time, like in any normal battery.

We should start thinking about new ideas, not building the 1001st non-working magnet motor which has not worked 1000 times before... and the same applies for 'crystal batteries' which also don't work, at least not in the sense of 'free energy'. This forum can be useful as some kind of 'blacklist' of non-working ideas.
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: trevstar on February 11, 2019, 09:42:27 PM
I would like to know which regular battery can run a motor for 4 years. He has motors running that long and he shows where he cut one open and there is still plenty of the electrode left.  Sure, I have a digital watch that has gone about 5 years on the same battery but it is not a motor being run.  Would I prefer something like a gravity wheel that runs forever from overbalancing. SURE!  But this is something I can access right now, I understand if it does not grab your enthusiasm.  But I like it.
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: skywatcher on February 11, 2019, 09:55:26 PM
Laserhacker (the guy in the video) has made motors which run for many hours on a small capacitor. They only need some microamps to run. It would be absolutely no problem to run such a motor from a single battery for some years. Ok, if you have fun playing with such things feel free to do it, you can always learn something and it's better than playing stupid video games...  ;)
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: trevstar on February 12, 2019, 12:04:30 AM
Agreed, much better than video games!  ;)
Title: Re: Bedini SG Motor Worth Buying?
Post by: ayeaye on August 07, 2019, 03:01:38 PM
One reason to buy it yes. Would anyone actually measure whether this thing, Bedini SG, has any overunity? Quite difficult to do, this involves measured discharge of the batteries to see how much energy there actually was in the batteries. As the Bedini sharp pulses are the way to create surface charge most easily. Also the worst treatment of the battery, though this is not the most important. Plus constantly measuring the speed of the wheel, using a stroboscope or whatever, to calculate the energy that went to the rotation of the wheel. The most difficult is to measure how much energy actually went to the wheel and to the battery from hand, by the manual start. Very weird but, in spite of so many people making it, no one ever measured whether it actually has overunity, Wherever, in the device itself or in the batteries, no one has ever measured whether there is or is not overunity anywhere there. To buy it and being happy to see that it rotates, charges battery too, i don't see it as a great joy, one is happy to make an electric motor, what a big deal is in that? Thus the only reason i see, is when one is actually going to do any overunity measurements, and no, just measuring the voltage on the battery is not that. Just my two cents, if one may want to see it so.

One more thing, how long it runs, is not a way to measure overunity, Overunity is not about something running forever, it is about whether energy out was more than the energy in, and only that. Thus the only way to actually measure overunity, is to measure how much energy went in, and how much energy came out. All the rest is just talk, may be right or may be not, but has no value because it is not an actual measurement. Not an experimental method, in strict terms.