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Offline Newton II

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2019, 04:40:49 AM »
size matters [insulation]
https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2018/10/26/a-new-space-weather-metric/


Quote from the above web page :

"Finally, please be aware that the thermosphere is very far above our heads–more than 100 km high. Just because the rarefied air up there is cooling off, it doesn’t mean the surface of the Earth is getting colder. Not yet, at least. Stay tuned for updates as the solar cycle progresses."

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Global warming is real and obvious because all human activities are heating up the earth's atmosphere.  When atmosphere gets heated up, it warms the oceans causing more water to evaporate from oceans because water molecules are made of weak hydrogen bonds which break away easily into water vapors under increased heat and atmospheric pressure.  More water evaporating from the seas cause devastating rains and we are getting heavy rains even in deserts of gulf (middle east)nations, Australia, China, Japan etc.  This heavy rain may cause extreme cooling during winter.  If this cooling by global warming resonates with cooling by solar minimum,  it may take earth to the ice age.


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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2019, 04:40:49 AM »

Offline F6FLT

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2019, 11:15:07 AM »
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Global warming is real and obvious because all human activities are heating up the earth's atmosphere.
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It's not true. Even the IPCC has never claimed that this would be the cause of global warming.
The amount of energy used by man on earth is negligible compared to energy from natural sources, mainly the sun.

According to IPCC, the main cause is the greenhouse gas effect, but climate sensitivity is constantly being reduced. Climatology is a young science, these guys are still far from having the skills to make predictions, but they do so as pretentious ignorant as they are. They are a danger to humanity because of the absurd resolutions they demand from politicians, in the name of a science that is not yet a science.

Offline Belfior

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2019, 12:25:34 PM »
Well it is pretty obvious, that there is cognitive dissonance at play here. There is absolutely nothing we can do about that. We could have all the evidence on the table and God presenting it and what these 'believers' would do is get up and walk away saying "this is ridiculous. Everybody knows man made climate change is real. I will now walk away and stick my fingers in my ears".

There is no way any of these people that also call themselves scientific will agree to look at the fact and evidence that we have. Their brain will not let them. If I say "lets look at the data" and onepower says "no need. everybody knows. You just present logical fallacies" there is very little that can be done. They absolutely refuse to look at the evidence. That is not scientific. That is a religion.

Newton 2 mixes truth with religion to achieve what his brain is telling him is the truth.

I could wear a T-shirt that says "forest fires are real!" and show that forest fires and the amount of smoke are related. That is the truth. How could someone argue with that? IPCC then produces a parametric model that shows that if the smoke doubles, then the whole california will burn. Then everybody signs a Paris agreement that binds them to stop creating smoke. Finland is lobbied to make a law, that every smoker has to pay 500€/year for creating smoke and every wooden stove in 2 million saunas has to changed to electric stoves.

So the question is who benefits from this nonsense and creates electricity for those saunas? How much energy usage was cut from developing countries, that mostly use coal power plants and not nuclear?

Mental images and religion will not change the fact, that basically all energy comes to this planet from the Sun and 5% of the greenhouse gases are not enough to cause global warming. It will of course have an effect on global warming, but it cannot cause it. Temperature will keep rising like it has done for 880k years until we hit an ice age. Sea level will keep rising like it has been doing since the last ice age. Glaciers will melt, because temperature rises. This planet is not overpopulated just because people are driven to cities and they feel that you have to live on top of each other, because there are just too many people. We could move ALL people on this planet to Australia and they would all have half an acre to farm and still Queensland would be left partly empty. Rest of the world would be empty from people. How the hell is that overpopulation?

Stop looking at polar bears on melting ice cubes and start looking into facts. Who's agenda benefits from controlling energy usage, that results in progress and production? Who's agenda benefits from giving the image, that this planet is overpopulated? Bill Gates already gave a TED speech where he said population must decrease by 85% and we can achieve that by centralized health care and vaccinations. His logic is that population X services X energy units used per service X CO2 created per energy unit must become 0. Then he laughed and said it is hard to make the population zero, but we can get it down by 85%.

Now what continent or continents are going to be CO2 shamed and blamed for overpopulation? I very much doubt Gates will sterilize his kids, but apparently that could be an option for some other people. It is called eugenics and it started long before the Nazis. What family basically founded United Nations and has been driving eugenics since the start?

These are the things we should be looking at, but we are getting bombarded by TV that tells us CO2 is poison, except it is the source of life on this planet.

Now fighting cognitive dissonance is a loosing battle. This is my last rant on the subject. I will spend my time researching how I can make energy without any CO2 emissions. I bet you my left bollock, that the answers are already on the selves of the military industrial complex. They won't let it out, because they need the cash.

I see only one way out of this slavery. Free energy and then new propulsion methods appear. We can get off this planet and the rest is history.

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2019, 12:25:34 PM »
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Offline Temporal Visitor

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2019, 02:56:50 PM »
Well it is pretty obvious, that there is cognitive dissonance at play here. There is absolutely nothing we can do about that. We could have all the evidence on the table and God presenting it and what these 'believers' would do is get up and walk away saying "this is ridiculous. Everybody knows man made climate change is real. I will now walk away and stick my fingers in my ears".

There is no way any of these people that also call themselves scientific will agree to look at the fact and evidence that we have. Their brain will not let them. If I say "lets look at the data" and onepower says "no need. everybody knows. You just present logical fallacies" there is very little that can be done. They absolutely refuse to look at the evidence. That is not scientific. That is a religion.

Newton 2 mixes truth with religion to achieve what his brain is telling him is the truth.

I could wear a T-shirt that says "forest fires are real!" and show that forest fires and the amount of smoke are related. That is the truth. How could someone argue with that? IPCC then produces a parametric model that shows that if the smoke doubles, then the whole california will burn. Then everybody signs a Paris agreement that binds them to stop creating smoke. Finland is lobbied to make a law, that every smoker has to pay 500€/year for creating smoke and every wooden stove in 2 million saunas has to changed to electric stoves.

So the question is who benefits from this nonsense and creates electricity for those saunas? How much energy usage was cut from developing countries, that mostly use coal power plants and not nuclear?

Mental images and religion will not change the fact, that basically all energy comes to this planet from the Sun and 5% of the greenhouse gases are not enough to cause global warming. It will of course have an effect on global warming, but it cannot cause it. Temperature will keep rising like it has done for 880k years until we hit an ice age. Sea level will keep rising like it has been doing since the last ice age. Glaciers will melt, because temperature rises. This planet is not overpopulated just because people are driven to cities and they feel that you have to live on top of each other, because there are just too many people. We could move ALL people on this planet to Australia and they would all have half an acre to farm and still Queensland would be left partly empty. Rest of the world would be empty from people. How the hell is that overpopulation?

Stop looking at polar bears on melting ice cubes and start looking into facts. Who's agenda benefits from controlling energy usage, that results in progress and production? Who's agenda benefits from giving the image, that this planet is overpopulated? Bill Gates already gave a TED speech where he said population must decrease by 85% and we can achieve that by centralized health care and vaccinations. His logic is that population X services X energy units used per service X CO2 created per energy unit must become 0. Then he laughed and said it is hard to make the population zero, but we can get it down by 85%.

Now what continent or continents are going to be CO2 shamed and blamed for overpopulation? I very much doubt Gates will sterilize his kids, but apparently that could be an option for some other people. It is called eugenics and it started long before the Nazis. What family basically founded United Nations and has been driving eugenics since the start?

These are the things we should be looking at, but we are getting bombarded by TV that tells us CO2 is poison, except it is the source of life on this planet.

Now fighting cognitive dissonance is a loosing battle. This is my last rant on the subject. I will spend my time researching how I can make energy without any CO2 emissions. I bet you my left bollock, that the answers are already on the selves of the military industrial complex. They won't let it out, because they need the cash.

I see only one way out of this slavery. Free energy and then new propulsion methods appear. We can get off this planet and the rest is history.

You raise many valid points, too many to address here and now.

Fighting is not going to change any facts. - It will only take your "energy" and give it another who is incapable of its creation and feeds upon the "energy" of the willfully ignorant foolish enough to ignore self evident truths.

"I will spend my time researching how I can make energy without any CO2 emissions." - That WILL be the best time you can spend to set yourself free, and in that time you may find precisely what "ENERGY IS", and the operating principal which is required to be able to produce it and a gain by DESIGN, AT WILL.

You can keep your left on that bet, as it already sits upon shelves other than TPTB for reasons that are far beyond cash alone.

"I see only one way out of this slavery."  - There is always more than one way to look at and address any problem.
Read this http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/boetie.pdf and understand the simplicity of another way out: Withdraw your support for whatever it is you don't enjoy if you WILL, and you WILL watch it vanish. A word of caution: Be careful for what you wish, as you may get more than you bargained for. And that can cost you more your left and right together.

As for: "We can get off this planet and the rest is history."
I'll ask where do you have a DESIGN on going? Any problem you have here WILL GO WITH YOU wherever you may try to go.

Besides the problem presented by the "vacuum of space" and its conflict with the law of nature:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laksuvdGYCY A Globe w/ Gas Pressure Next to a Vacuum? Pseudoscience 101

"To boldly go where no man has gone before ....." does not compute.
 
   

Offline Belfior

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2019, 05:39:57 PM »
thx TV! I will read the pdf.

I think Crothers brings forth many problems in current laes that we have and that are taken for actual natural law

Einstein's "creative math" in special relativity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zWy6_Mog70

Stephen Crothers on LIGO finding Higgs' boson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev10ywLFq6E

I don't see that these observations will gain any ground, because the ruling elite needs to keep us in the dark. Current science has replaced Occam's Razor with a magic 8 ball. Every time the flawed theory breaks down, they come up with a more complicated explanation. We are going to need Eddie Matter pretty soon.

Kirckhoff and Planck took black body radiation as a universal law and it only holds for boxes covered in carbon. No news on those laws either. We still teach them at school

when they first discovered dinosaurs they realized these animals could not live in our current gravity. Then they said dinos only lived in water and water took care of the weight/bones relation. Then they found ground based dinos and even flying ones, but the problem was never again brought up. This would mean Newton's G was not universal and not even constant on Earth. What do we teach in schools?

Do we actually have any laws that hold? If light is a particle it must have mass and volume. They say it doesn't because then it would destroy Einstein's theory. Well how does a galaxy bend light, if there is no mass? Curved spacetime is not a force. How does that pull a spring+weight towards the Earth?

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
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Offline F6FLT

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2019, 12:34:23 PM »
It is absurd to think that science would be omniscient and infallible, just as it is absurd to think that it would be incoherent and that anything imagined instead would have the same relevance.
And there is also a big difference between sciences. We cannot mix those of life and earth, which have a complexity linked to the large number of parameters that determine it many of which being unknown, with the physics sciences which are based on simple elementary laws, but complicated to identify.

The laws of physics are well established. The resulting technology is proof of this. Even though they are not complete, new models will not radically challenge the current ones, more than Einstein's relativity has challenged Newtonian gravitation, still valid in most practical cases, only its field of validity has been reduced.

"Curved spacetime is not a force", that's true, and the misunderstanding comes from wanting to reason with everyday 3D flat space, when we are in 4D curved space. "How does that pull a spring+weight towards the Earth?", it is the question itself that is not relevant because it is based on the analogy of an effect. But there is no need for "pulling a spring+weight" to create an effect similar to that of "pulling a spring+weight". Comparison is not reason. A paradigm shift is needed.
The new paradigme here is that the notion of "something at rest" is not the same in a flat space as in a curved space.


Offline Belfior

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2019, 10:00:58 PM »
I think there are still valid concerns about the Einsteins theory, because to me it seems few liberties were taken by him to create special relativity.

You cannot divide by 0 and say that this time it was infinity

You cannot base your theory on unprivileged observers and then have just one observer.

All the way to Newton we have had scientists, that are taking huge liberties and as a result we have a Solar System that cannot be here. Yet we are here.

So what needs to be done is to go as far back as needed to get rid off the shit that does not work. There are basically 2 reasons why this is not going to happen:

1. There are people that are running the world and it is imperative to them, that the cattle does not know how the universe works
2. Modern science is way too invested in the current model to admit, that they are wrong. This would mean they are in on it, or they were too stupid to notice.

Every time some new evidence is found that supports this fallacy, they come up with more elaborate explanations why we need more mass or energy somewhere.


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