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Offline Belfior

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polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« on: February 05, 2019, 12:45:29 PM »
Interesting ideas and even documents to prove his stuff.

Few things I did not agree with him like "just drive your SUVs, you are not hurting mommy nature". Then him saying that mammoth picture was not photoshopped and that only radiation affects genes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdlWS8pnwEE


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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2019, 09:28:51 PM »
I think it's kind of funny how a majority of all the climate change critics and denial websites seem to have evaporated into thin air. What with record heat waves, record fires and flooding and record low temperatures because of the shifting jet stream ... I didn't think anyone that stupid was left to deny it wasn't real. The unfortunate truth is that all the deniers are looking more and more like pissy misguided fools as every year passes and the facts keep adding up.

My wager is that within 5 years things will get progressively worse and all those deniers will be the first one's whining that someone should have done something sooner.


Offline norman6538

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2019, 10:07:45 PM »
I'm not convinced because the experts do not all agree. The models have been wrong and measuring the temp in a city will always be distorted because of the unfair concentration of population and small area. And I remember Al Gore's predictions never even came close. And I detest the money these
so called prophets make from their lectures.

My real interest is alternative energy and there is plenty to do but big money controls it all.
If I change to a vapor carburetor on my car and do not need a catalytic converter I risk getting jailed
and it will not pass the  pollution  test and can't be driven unless I live in a state that does not have
the pollution check. I've tested this and it works and there are patents to do the same but big money will not let it happen.  Remember we still do not know who killed Kennedy for sure but it was not
Oswald. It was proven in court that there were 2 shooters but who cares other than big money.

Hydrogen is also great for the auto but big money will not let that happen.
It would solve the CO2 problem for sure.
If  we had the power of voter made laws like ballot initiatives then we would have a change
to change things. But till then same ole same ole.

And one study showed that the ice cores showed that the temp rise came first then the CO2
rise. So don't count on the prophets.
And remember there is big money in the global warming push. Al Gore figured that out.

Norman


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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
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Offline citfta

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2019, 10:27:57 PM »
What amazes me is how many people believe the fake news information without ever doing any research on their own.  The media has only one goal.  To brainwash you into believing the liberal politicians have the solutions to the world problems.  They never mention any benefits to whatever propaganda they are promoting.  Did you ever stop to think that there might actually be some benefits to global warming if it is even a fact?

Look at this article:
Effects of increased CO2 on plants and crops

A 1993 review of scientific greenhouse studies found that a doubling of CO2 concentration would stimulate the growth of 156 different plant species by an average of 37%. Response varied significantly by species, with some showing much greater gains and a few showing a loss. For example, a 1979 greenhouse study found that with doubled CO2 concentration the dry weight of 40-day-old cotton plants doubled, but the dry weight of 30-day-old maize plants increased by only 20%.[69][70]
In addition to greenhouse studies, field and satellite measurements attempt to understand the effect of increased CO2 in more natural environments. In free-air carbon dioxide enrichment (FACE) experiments plants are grown in field plots and the CO2 concentration of the surrounding air is artificially elevated. These experiments generally use lower CO2 levels than the greenhouse studies.  They show lower gains in growth than greenhouse studies, with the gains depending heavily on the species under study. A 2005 review of 12 experiments at 475–600 ppm showed an average gain of 17% in crop yield, with legumes typically showing a greater response than other species and C4 plants generally showing less. The review also stated that the experiments have their own limitations. The studied CO2 levels were lower, and most of the experiments were carried out in temperate regions.[71] Satellite measurements found increasing leaf area index for 25% to 50% of Earth's vegetated area Earth over the past 35 years, providing evidence for a positive CO2 fertilization effect.[72][73]
A 2017 article states that increased CO2 levels have a negative impact on the nutritional quality of various human food crops, by increasing the levels of carbohydrates, such as glucose, while decreasing the levels of important nutrients such as protein, iron, and zinc. Crops experiencing a decrease in protein include rice, wheat, barley and potatoes.[74]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere


Also consider how much less fuel will be needed to heat our homes in the winter.  How much less salt will be spread on the roads to melt the snow and ice.  That has to be better for the environment.


I am so tired of all the doomsday crap put out by the main stream media.


Carroll


 

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2019, 10:44:11 PM »
The media has only one goal.  To brainwash you into believing the liberal politicians have the solutions to the world problems. 

 :o Good grief. What a crock! Get a grip man. :)



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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2019, 11:12:45 PM »
Carroll is one very dedicated builder ,helping many experimenters here at this open source forum whenever he can [for many years at multiple forums

and at the end of the day ,has probably put thousands of hours of his life into the theme of this forum ,sharing his work and living that slogan.if you want the world to change "be that change" and live by example.
perhaps the place we work to make that change which will effect our world in the Best possible way....should not be a place to argue !!
some people just live to press buttons....[flame war topics here
we're trying to put out this fire ...regardless of why ?and Carroll has been carrying much more than his fare share of water buckets...[others here too

just one mans opinion
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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2019, 11:18:37 PM »
I think it's kind of funny how a majority of all the climate change critics and denial websites seem to have evaporated into thin air. What with record heat waves, record fires and flooding and record low temperatures because of the shifting jet stream ... I didn't think anyone that stupid was left to deny it wasn't real. The unfortunate truth is that all the deniers are looking more and more like pissy misguided fools as every year passes and the facts keep adding up.

My wager is that within 5 years things will get progressively worse and all those deniers will be the first one's whining that someone should have done something sooner.

Are there any climate change critics? Who can honestly say that the climate hasn't been changing for 4,5 billion years? Maybe they disappeared, because nobody can deny the change?

Funny how the ice ages every 100k years seem pretty cyclic. with temperature rising and CO2 rising 200 years after. Hmm what kinda cyclic thing the Earth does or "cycles" around?

What I am looking for is any facts that human activity is causing the climate change. Not beliefs or IPCC models, that can be turned to any result they want. Just facts plz

Every living thing is built from carbon. Plants grow because they take water from earth and carbon from the air. Now it is suddenly a toxic gas?!?

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Offline Belfior

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2019, 11:23:52 PM »
I'm not convinced because the experts do not all agree. The models have been wrong and measuring the temp in a city will always be distorted because of the unfair concentration of population and small area. And I remember Al Gore's predictions never even came close. And I detest the money these
so called prophets make from their lectures.

My real interest is alternative energy and there is plenty to do but big money controls it all.
If I change to a vapor carburetor on my car and do not need a catalytic converter I risk getting jailed
and it will not pass the  pollution  test and can't be driven unless I live in a state that does not have
the pollution check. I've tested this and it works and there are patents to do the same but big money will not let it happen.  Remember we still do not know who killed Kennedy for sure but it was not
Oswald. It was proven in court that there were 2 shooters but who cares other than big money.

Hydrogen is also great for the auto but big money will not let that happen.
It would solve the CO2 problem for sure.
If  we had the power of voter made laws like ballot initiatives then we would have a change
to change things. But till then same ole same ole.

And one study showed that the ice cores showed that the temp rise came first then the CO2
rise. So don't count on the prophets.
And remember there is big money in the global warming push. Al Gore figured that out.

Norman

Weeell when you burn hydrogen you get water vapor. That and clouds are 70% of the green house gases and CO2 is only 20%. I bet the IPCC starts blaming you, if you come up with a hydrogen engine. Who is working for Big Oil then!

Yeah but sun is still the external factor that brings all energy here. I don't believe changing 5% of CO2 to 5% more water vapor is going to affect the climate in a significant way

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2019, 12:49:27 AM »
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What I am looking for is any facts that human activity is causing the climate change. Not beliefs or IPCC models, that can be turned to any result they want. Just facts plz
Every living thing is built from carbon. Plants grow because they take water from earth and carbon from the air. Now it is suddenly a toxic gas?!?

Right... every credible climate agency on the planet agrees we have just experienced the hottest 4 year period on record and that the trend will continue. So you can believe whatever you want, you can push whatever false narratives and logical fallacies you want however the facts remain.

A little advice, if you live in the U.S. your in big trouble as the coasts will eventually flood inland and the central U.S. will be desertified to the point it will be mostly uninhabitable. You may want to think about real estate because soon many are going to start cluing in to the fact that large area's of land will become basically worthless within the next ten to twenty years. Look at Australia which is experiencing flash floods in some area's or massive heat waves turning it into a drought stricken wasteland.

I don't have to prove anything my friend... all I have to do is prepare for what is coming and wait because time is going to prove the facts of this matter soon enough.

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2019, 06:10:08 PM »
Right... every credible climate agency on the planet agrees we have just experienced the hottest 4 year period on record and that the trend will continue. So you can believe whatever you want, you can push whatever false narratives and logical fallacies you want however the facts remain.

A little advice, if you live in the U.S. your in big trouble as the coasts will eventually flood inland and the central U.S. will be desertified to the point it will be mostly uninhabitable. You may want to think about real estate because soon many are going to start cluing in to the fact that large area's of land will become basically worthless within the next ten to twenty years. Look at Australia which is experiencing flash floods in some area's or massive heat waves turning it into a drought stricken wasteland.

I don't have to prove anything my friend... all I have to do is prepare for what is coming and wait because time is going to prove the facts of this matter soon enough.

So you just go on faith? You don't need proof. I think that is called religion. Logical fallacy is to believe something on faith. People that rely on faith do not need to prove anything. That is the whole point of a religion. If then by some miracle you try to, you use your own book to prove it.

Once again. The temperature is raising. That is a fact. The sea level is Raising. That is a fact. Is that because humans produce 7% of green house gases? I doubt it. Do we affect weather in some way? For sure, but how can our actions determine the weather or the energy that comes from the Sun?

Has the temperature ever been this high? Yes. Every 100k years before the ice age. This can be checked from the ice core samples. Why IPCC says "highest we have ever measured" is because then you can leave the ice core samples out and claim our factories did it. We were not here "measuring" 800k years ago.

Has the CO2 ever been this high? Yes. Every 100k years it raises with 200 years lag AFTER the temperature raises.

Sea levels have been rising since the last ice age.

Images of temperature and CO2 between ice ages and sea level rise

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interglacial#/media/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_period#/media/File:Co2_glacial_cycles_800k.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise#/media/File:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png

From the images you can see, that we can actually prove this. With facts. Facts that everybody agrees on. Temperature and CO2 raise like clockwork 800k years before we had factories or cars. Sea level rises after every ice age.

You got one thing right though. We are headed towards a catastrophe. What I can gather it is cyclic and is related to the Sun. Many scientists are calling this "micronova" and it has happened before. I believe this is what ancient myths are talking about when they say floods came, fire from the sky or thunderbolts from gods.

https://www.exopolitics.org/impending-solar-flash-event-supported-by-scientific-studies-insider-testimony/

Magnetic pole reversal might come in 2046 and that is when the shit hits the fan. CIA has known this since 1957 and is the reason why "every dredible climate agency" tells you that CO2 is doing it. Who is going to pay their 25 year mortgages, if the house is gone 2046?

We can make a bet and meet on the same mountain!

People are so religious and crazy about the CO2 I am going to start selling "CO2 protection domes for plants" in TV-Shop. Lets see how long your tomatoes stay alive without this "poisonous gas" that gives life

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2019, 05:16:53 AM »
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So you just go on faith? You don't need proof. I think that is called religion. Logical fallacy is to believe something on faith. People that rely on faith do not need to prove anything. That is the whole point of a religion. If then by some miracle you try to, you use your own book to prove it.

Another logical fallacy as a classic strawman argument misrepresenting my argument so it is easier to attack. Obviously my argument is not based on faith but proof published by tens of thousands of the smartest most credible climate scientists. We should also note these scientist use their real names and back up their opinions with real proof unlike these forums.

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Once again. The temperature is raising. That is a fact. The sea level is Raising. That is a fact. Is that because humans produce 7% of green house gases? I doubt it. Do we affect weather in some way? For sure, but how can our actions determine the weather or the energy that comes from the Sun?

It's not that difficult to understand Belfior it's called science. If an insulator such as glass can trap or retain heat in the example of a green house then this same scientific principal also applies to this planet. Thus if an insulator such as a green house gasses increases in our atmosphere then we can expect that more heat will be retained... what part of this grade school science do you not understand?.

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Has the temperature ever been this high? Yes. Every 100k years before the ice age. This can be checked from the ice core samples. Why IPCC says "highest we have ever measured" is because then you can leave the ice core samples out and claim our factories did it. We were not here "measuring" 800k years ago.

Yes of course however never in the history of this planet to my knowledge has an "animal species" sucked billions of tons of hydrocarbons from the depths of this planet and released these green house gasses into the atmosphere. There were never 7 plus billion beings doing there best to consume everything in sight and destroy this planet in the past to my knowledge.

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Magnetic pole reversal might come in 2046 and that is when the shit hits the fan. CIA has known this since 1957 and is the reason why "every dredible climate agency" tells you that CO2 is doing it. Who is going to pay their 25 year mortgages, if the house is gone 2046?

Right... blah blah blah and lets not forget that conspiracy back in 1948 blah blah blah. You know they say the Earth is flat supported by pillars on the backs of an infinite stack of turtles. The intelligent choice is not to argue for or against this kind of mental defect in the ability to reason but to walk away. Obviously I have chosen to ignore this choice, lol.

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People are so religious and crazy about the CO2 I am going to start selling "CO2 protection domes for plants" in TV-Shop. Lets see how long your tomatoes stay alive without this "poisonous gas" that gives life

No my friend it is quite the opposite and it is the religious and fanatical who have decided to believe that we are somehow chosen and can supersede natural law. My beliefs are simple to understand, every action has an equal and opposite reaction... do you understand?. Thus this ridiculous notion that we can do whatever we want without any consequence is not only misguided but bat shit crazy.

Do you know what I would like to see?... a duel.
"A duel is an arranged engagement in combat between two people, with matched weapons"

However in this case our combat, our struggle, would be a consensus between two men as towards what is the truth and what is not. I would see it as an actual duel on a platform such as youtube where I would throw down my glove and say dude your so full of shit I don't even know where to begin and I demand retribution. Then one of two things could happen, one you decline like many cowards do or two we go one on one on live video for all the world to see.

Personally I suspect 99% of the population has neither the balls nor the brains to ever agree to such a thing and we all know the reasons as to why this is true. I'm just throwing it out there because I think it's important to understand who we are. I really like and more so respect this gentleman...   https://jordanbpeterson.com/

You have to love this guy in my opinion because he makes no apologies for who he is, I am who I am right or fucking wrong. As he say's ... live with yourself, deal with it, man the fuck up and take some responsibility to give your life some kind of meaning. So my theory on this is not rocket science... stop making excuses as to why your such a fucking loser and start showing us reasons why your not?. Seems pretty self explanatory doesn't it...?. I don't give a shit why you keep failing tell us how all of us can succeed together and move forward.

I just get tired of the ... it wasn't me and I have no fucking idea what to do nonsense. It's 2019 gentlemen and this BS is getting old. Man the fuck up or move on... nuff said.

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2019, 01:52:21 PM »
There are facts and an interpretation of the facts.

The increase in temperature is not proof that global warming is anthropogenic.

A certain correlation between temperature and CO2 does not prove that CO2 is the cause of warming, it is rather warming that increases CO2.

An increase in temperature does not mean that we know all the reasons and that we can predict the evolution. The most important greenhouse gas, water vapour, is ignored and the impact of solar variations is underestimated. All previous IPCC predictions have been found to be false by a factor of 2 to 3 five years later.

The fact that there would be a large majority of scientists in favor of the theory of anthropogenic global warming is not relevant (most of them included in the number are not climate experts). Opponents are prevented from expressing their work in the institutions.

The IPCC does not follow the scientific method: they give their final conclusions without verification by independent teams or organizations, and politics and the media spread them with catastrophism, conditioning people.

Global warming is not dangerous, on the contrary, past periods of global warming have always coincided with periods of prosperity for the men.
And all measures to combat CO2 have been shown not to have any influence on the climate, but to cost a lot and therefore create worse problems.

See the recent testimony of climatologist Judith Curry before a US Senate committee: "the cure could be worse than the disease"
https://youtu.be/ZLuSks4xxsA?t=8451


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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2019, 02:33:05 PM »
There are facts and an interpretation of the facts.

The increase in temperature is not proof that global warming is anthropogenic.

A certain correlation between temperature and CO2 does not prove that CO2 is the cause of warming, it is rather warming that increases CO2.

An increase in temperature does not mean that we know all the reasons and that we can predict the evolution. The most important greenhouse gas, water vapour, is ignored and the impact of solar variations is underestimated. All previous IPCC predictions have been found to be false by a factor of 2 to 3 five years later.

The fact that there would be a large majority of scientists in favor of the theory of anthropogenic global warming is not relevant (most of them included in the number are not climate experts). Opponents are prevented from expressing their work in the institutions.

The IPCC does not follow the scientific method: they give their final conclusions without verification by independent teams or organizations, and politics and the media spread them with catastrophism, conditioning people.

Global warming is not dangerous, on the contrary, past periods of global warming have always coincided with periods of prosperity for the men.
And all measures to combat CO2 have been shown not to have any influence on the climate, but to cost a lot and therefore create worse problems.

See the recent testimony of climatologist Judith Curry before a US Senate committee: "the cure could be worse than the disease"
https://youtu.be/ZLuSks4xxsA?t=8451

I agree with this 100%.  Rational thinking means you do your own research and study and do not follow the propaganda put out by the politicians and main stream media.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: polar reversal, ice ages and global warming
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2019, 02:55:53 PM »
Every machine we use, motors, generators, transformers, transmission lines, engines etc., and every electrical appliances such as electric stove, TV, computer, cell phone, oven etc., have heat losses and release heat into the atmosphere.  Since heat is a form of energy and it cannot be destroyed,  it heats the atmosphere causing warming of atmospheric in addition to green house effect by gases.   Even the breath we and all animals release, carry heat from the body which also heat the atmosphere.  When world population grows, these activities will be more and atmosphere gets heated up rapidly.   I don't see any point in blaming God or nature for that.


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