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Title: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on February 02, 2019, 02:15:48 PM

Video at :
https://youtu.be/ExygPXDzLow

By moving a steel plate as a shield between two repelling stack of magnets, one on wheel and another fixed to the table, the
wheel can be made to rotate continuously.
If a roller ball is used between the magnet and the shield, the shield can be moved easily over the surface of magnet because the magnetic field is almost uniform in parallel plane.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Paul-R on February 02, 2019, 05:08:26 PM
The issue with this type of device is often that it takes a small but important amount of energy to move the shielding in and out of position.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: norman6538 on February 02, 2019, 05:34:59 PM
The principle  appears to be blocking magnetic field but it is really shunting/diverting that field away so there
is no repel force and the rotor slips past the repelling magnet.
 
Yes the principle works but it takes work to move the metal and when I did this it was as much work as the output rotation. Remember rotation is easy.

But I wish you the best. I will watch. Norman
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on February 03, 2019, 02:59:21 AM
The principle  appears to be blocking magnetic field but it is really shunting/diverting that field away so there
is no repel force and the rotor slips past the repelling magnet.
 
Yes the principle works but it takes work to move the metal and when I did this it was as much work as the output rotation. Remember rotation is easy.

But I wish you the best. I will watch. Norman

I have posted reply on youtube :
'Thanks for the comment. What if magnet stacks are placed horizontally and the steel shield is moved horizontally? In that case energy required to move the shield up is removed. If we use magnets which are magnetized uniformly from one end to the other (for example surface of a ring magnet which is axially magnetized) it may not generate opposing Eddie currents because emf and current are produced only when there is 'rate of change of flux'. Any thoughts?'         

Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: skywatcher on February 03, 2019, 01:36:15 PM
In any case the energy to rotate the wheel comes from your hand. Magnetic fields can not be shielded. Your 'shield' only distorts the magnetic field, and when you move it you have to work against the magnetic field which requires energy. The only way to really shield a magnetic field would require a non-magnetic shielding material, but nobody has found such material yet.

Please keep in mind that simply rotating a wheel without any load requires very little energy so you might not have the feeling to do mechanical work with your hand.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on February 04, 2019, 07:51:44 AM
In any case the energy to rotate the wheel comes from your hand. Magnetic fields can not be shielded. Your 'shield' only distorts the magnetic field, and when you move it you have to work against the magnetic field which requires energy. The only way to really shield a magnetic field would require a non-magnetic shielding material, but nobody has found such material yet.

Please keep in mind that simply rotating a wheel without any load requires very little energy so you might not have the feeling to do mechanical work with your hand.
May be you are right.   I observed one more method of switching 'off' the magnetic field by repulsion.  I have posted the video in youtube.  Please have a look.

https://youtu.be/EH4ZMnxlqfw (https://youtu.be/EH4ZMnxlqfw)

As you can see from the video,  when one side of a thin disc magnet's magnetic field is compressed,  the other side of magnet looses its strength and a steel plate held by attraction falls down.   This method can be used to create 'On' and Off' of magnetic flux with respect to a coil or another magnet. You have to use thin magnet.

The magnet stack which is used for compression, can be moved easily if repulsion is uniform throughout its way of movement,  for example on the surface of a ring magnet, a repulsive disc magnet can be moved easily throughout the surface.  Hence if a repulsive stack of magnets is moved over a thin ring magnet and a coil is kept on the other side of ring magnet,  will not the coil generate energy without experiencing any slowing down (lenz) force?   Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on February 05, 2019, 10:01:31 PM
Difficult to measure the work input to work output.. My opinion is that
this type of device ( first video) is workable.
               floor
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on February 06, 2019, 04:45:58 AM
Just have a look at this video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrTm2pVqx58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrTm2pVqx58)

The coins while passing through lengthy magnets having uniform magnetic field do not slow down because no eddie currents are induced whereas while passing through small magnets joined together, they slow down because eddie currents are induced by N-S-N-S arrangement of magnets which result in rate of change of flux.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: F6FLT on February 06, 2019, 12:44:30 PM
Nice experiment. I agree with you about the explanation, vineet_kiran.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: blueplanet on February 11, 2019, 08:12:34 AM

 A decade ago, there was another guy from energetic forum who did a similar thing so called "r*** pipe dream" but his work has turned out to be a real pipe dream!  The problem lies in the magnetic shielding. This so-called shielding is not possible without a magnetic material. For this reason, it takes a lot of effort to shield and unshield  the magnetic field.





May be you are right.   I observed one more method of switching 'off' the magnetic field by repulsion.  I have posted the video in youtube.  Please have a look.

https://youtu.be/EH4ZMnxlqfw (https://youtu.be/EH4ZMnxlqfw)

As you can see from the video,  when one side of a thin disc magnet's magnetic field is compressed,  the other side of magnet looses its strength and a steel plate held by attraction falls down.   This method can be used to create 'On' and Off' of magnetic flux with respect to a coil or another magnet. You have to use thin magnet.

The magnet stack which is used for compression, can be moved easily if repulsion is uniform throughout its way of movement,  for example on the surface of a ring magnet, a repulsive disc magnet can be moved easily throughout the surface.  Hence if a repulsive stack of magnets is moved over a thin ring magnet and a coil is kept on the other side of ring magnet,  will not the coil generate energy without experiencing any slowing down (lenz) force?   Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: blueplanet on February 11, 2019, 08:40:49 AM
Hi Guys, Be careful.


It seems that there is a serious campaign trying to engage us into this useless magnetic motor research.


----https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=2019+free+energy (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=2019+free+energy)

----https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW7mEejBDBJZPplN_v1XYRA


----https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AENArlp0LDg


----https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdmU06WV0WRsnCpikOZb1GQ


.....

These pseudo free energy researchers have placed the the primary coil of a transformer underneath the table to make up so-called free energy from high voltages. All of their videos have musics in the background. The same posters have posted tons of ideas of magnetic motors, free energy from magnets and free energy from ball bearings.  None of these ideas work.  Their main game is to waste our energy. I don't think they are here to inspire us. Don't fall for it.


Here in this forum, many people are angry about the concept of Zenneck wave but ironically there is no shortage of interests in magnetic motor research.


https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22122017/big-oil-heartland-climate-science-misinformation-campaign-koch-api-trump-infographic (https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22122017/big-oil-heartland-climate-science-misinformation-campaign-koch-api-trump-infographic)

EDIT: I have added "----" in front of the URL's because I don't want to feed these trolls.
Please take no offence. I am not here to discredit anyone in this forum.


Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: ramset on February 11, 2019, 09:30:40 AM
yesterday A member received this info [unsolicited from South Korea

https://infinitysav.com/magneticgenerator/ (https://infinitysav.com/magneticgenerator/)
any info would be appreciated
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on February 11, 2019, 12:28:31 PM

It seems that there is a serious campaign trying to engage us into this useless magnetic motor research.


There are lot of fake videos in youtube for views and monetary gains.  But how do you say that magnetic motor research is useless?
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: blueplanet on February 11, 2019, 02:06:44 PM

I would not rule out any possibility that we would end up with something new, intentionally or incidentally. It is just a matter of time. There is nothing useless if we can be open-minded and flexible. We may not get perpetual motion out of a magnet but we may end up with something highly useful.


I am not complaining about the research process which everyone of us has to go through. What I am complaining about is those invisible attempts to misguide the genuine researchers.  They know very well most FE researchers are lovers of magnets.  I believe making money is not their only objective.





There are lot of fake videos in youtube for views and monetary gains.  But how do you say that magnetic motor research is useless?
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Low-Q on March 06, 2019, 03:02:28 PM
yesterday A member received this info [unsolicited from South Korea

https://infinitysav.com/magneticgenerator/ (https://infinitysav.com/magneticgenerator/)
any info would be appreciated
I have not much to add, but I get very sceptic at once a device is plugged into the mains. If this generator can deliver more than the input, it could run without the mains plugged in. At least unblugged the mains once it's started.


Vidar
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Low-Q on March 06, 2019, 03:53:40 PM
Video at :
https://youtu.be/ExygPXDzLow (https://youtu.be/ExygPXDzLow)

By moving a steel plate as a shield between two repelling stack of magnets, one on wheel and another fixed to the table, the
wheel can be made to rotate continuously.
If a roller ball is used between the magnet and the shield, the shield can be moved easily over the surface of magnet because the magnetic field is almost uniform in parallel plane.
The iron plate experience a magnetic field that is stronger when you position the rotor magnet side by side to the stator magnet. This will resist the iron sheet to be removed, so you need energy to remove the plate.
If you installed a lever on the rotor that rised the plate automatically, the motor will stop.


Vidar
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: norman6538 on March 06, 2019, 04:47:50 PM
I've pretty much given up on most OU stuff. My pendulum that goes from 2pm to 6 to 9 to noon
without getting stuck at noon gets totally ignored. And likewise my permanent magnet slider.
Some people do not recognize overunity   when it knocks them over the head.

I do have some hope for the Kerry Waenga Bessler wheel. I have made 1 of 5 segments and it
does what is claims to do. I need to add 4 more to see if it rotates. Many times what one segment does will not apply to a full wheel.  It uses gravity to store
potential work in a spring which is then used to kick the weight forward and upward over 8 degrees.

You may want to watch that on Bessler.com.

Norman