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Title: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on February 02, 2019, 02:15:48 PM

Video at :
https://youtu.be/ExygPXDzLow

By moving a steel plate as a shield between two repelling stack of magnets, one on wheel and another fixed to the table, the
wheel can be made to rotate continuously.
If a roller ball is used between the magnet and the shield, the shield can be moved easily over the surface of magnet because the magnetic field is almost uniform in parallel plane.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Paul-R on February 02, 2019, 05:08:26 PM
The issue with this type of device is often that it takes a small but important amount of energy to move the shielding in and out of position.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: norman6538 on February 02, 2019, 05:34:59 PM
The principle  appears to be blocking magnetic field but it is really shunting/diverting that field away so there
is no repel force and the rotor slips past the repelling magnet.
 
Yes the principle works but it takes work to move the metal and when I did this it was as much work as the output rotation. Remember rotation is easy.

But I wish you the best. I will watch. Norman
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on February 03, 2019, 02:59:21 AM
The principle  appears to be blocking magnetic field but it is really shunting/diverting that field away so there
is no repel force and the rotor slips past the repelling magnet.
 
Yes the principle works but it takes work to move the metal and when I did this it was as much work as the output rotation. Remember rotation is easy.

But I wish you the best. I will watch. Norman

I have posted reply on youtube :
'Thanks for the comment. What if magnet stacks are placed horizontally and the steel shield is moved horizontally? In that case energy required to move the shield up is removed. If we use magnets which are magnetized uniformly from one end to the other (for example surface of a ring magnet which is axially magnetized) it may not generate opposing Eddie currents because emf and current are produced only when there is 'rate of change of flux'. Any thoughts?'         

Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: skywatcher on February 03, 2019, 01:36:15 PM
In any case the energy to rotate the wheel comes from your hand. Magnetic fields can not be shielded. Your 'shield' only distorts the magnetic field, and when you move it you have to work against the magnetic field which requires energy. The only way to really shield a magnetic field would require a non-magnetic shielding material, but nobody has found such material yet.

Please keep in mind that simply rotating a wheel without any load requires very little energy so you might not have the feeling to do mechanical work with your hand.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on February 04, 2019, 07:51:44 AM
In any case the energy to rotate the wheel comes from your hand. Magnetic fields can not be shielded. Your 'shield' only distorts the magnetic field, and when you move it you have to work against the magnetic field which requires energy. The only way to really shield a magnetic field would require a non-magnetic shielding material, but nobody has found such material yet.

Please keep in mind that simply rotating a wheel without any load requires very little energy so you might not have the feeling to do mechanical work with your hand.
May be you are right.   I observed one more method of switching 'off' the magnetic field by repulsion.  I have posted the video in youtube.  Please have a look.

https://youtu.be/EH4ZMnxlqfw (https://youtu.be/EH4ZMnxlqfw)

As you can see from the video,  when one side of a thin disc magnet's magnetic field is compressed,  the other side of magnet looses its strength and a steel plate held by attraction falls down.   This method can be used to create 'On' and Off' of magnetic flux with respect to a coil or another magnet. You have to use thin magnet.

The magnet stack which is used for compression, can be moved easily if repulsion is uniform throughout its way of movement,  for example on the surface of a ring magnet, a repulsive disc magnet can be moved easily throughout the surface.  Hence if a repulsive stack of magnets is moved over a thin ring magnet and a coil is kept on the other side of ring magnet,  will not the coil generate energy without experiencing any slowing down (lenz) force?   Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on February 05, 2019, 10:01:31 PM
Difficult to measure the work input to work output.. My opinion is that
this type of device ( first video) is workable.
               floor
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on February 06, 2019, 04:45:58 AM
Just have a look at this video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrTm2pVqx58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrTm2pVqx58)

The coins while passing through lengthy magnets having uniform magnetic field do not slow down because no eddie currents are induced whereas while passing through small magnets joined together, they slow down because eddie currents are induced by N-S-N-S arrangement of magnets which result in rate of change of flux.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: F6FLT on February 06, 2019, 12:44:30 PM
Nice experiment. I agree with you about the explanation, vineet_kiran.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: blueplanet on February 11, 2019, 08:12:34 AM

 A decade ago, there was another guy from energetic forum who did a similar thing so called "r*** pipe dream" but his work has turned out to be a real pipe dream!  The problem lies in the magnetic shielding. This so-called shielding is not possible without a magnetic material. For this reason, it takes a lot of effort to shield and unshield  the magnetic field.





May be you are right.   I observed one more method of switching 'off' the magnetic field by repulsion.  I have posted the video in youtube.  Please have a look.

https://youtu.be/EH4ZMnxlqfw (https://youtu.be/EH4ZMnxlqfw)

As you can see from the video,  when one side of a thin disc magnet's magnetic field is compressed,  the other side of magnet looses its strength and a steel plate held by attraction falls down.   This method can be used to create 'On' and Off' of magnetic flux with respect to a coil or another magnet. You have to use thin magnet.

The magnet stack which is used for compression, can be moved easily if repulsion is uniform throughout its way of movement,  for example on the surface of a ring magnet, a repulsive disc magnet can be moved easily throughout the surface.  Hence if a repulsive stack of magnets is moved over a thin ring magnet and a coil is kept on the other side of ring magnet,  will not the coil generate energy without experiencing any slowing down (lenz) force?   Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: blueplanet on February 11, 2019, 08:40:49 AM
Hi Guys, Be careful.


It seems that there is a serious campaign trying to engage us into this useless magnetic motor research.


----https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=2019+free+energy (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=2019+free+energy)

----https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW7mEejBDBJZPplN_v1XYRA


----https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AENArlp0LDg


----https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdmU06WV0WRsnCpikOZb1GQ


.....

These pseudo free energy researchers have placed the the primary coil of a transformer underneath the table to make up so-called free energy from high voltages. All of their videos have musics in the background. The same posters have posted tons of ideas of magnetic motors, free energy from magnets and free energy from ball bearings.  None of these ideas work.  Their main game is to waste our energy. I don't think they are here to inspire us. Don't fall for it.


Here in this forum, many people are angry about the concept of Zenneck wave but ironically there is no shortage of interests in magnetic motor research.


https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22122017/big-oil-heartland-climate-science-misinformation-campaign-koch-api-trump-infographic (https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22122017/big-oil-heartland-climate-science-misinformation-campaign-koch-api-trump-infographic)

EDIT: I have added "----" in front of the URL's because I don't want to feed these trolls.
Please take no offence. I am not here to discredit anyone in this forum.


Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: ramset on February 11, 2019, 09:30:40 AM
yesterday A member received this info [unsolicited from South Korea

https://infinitysav.com/magneticgenerator/ (https://infinitysav.com/magneticgenerator/)
any info would be appreciated
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on February 11, 2019, 12:28:31 PM

It seems that there is a serious campaign trying to engage us into this useless magnetic motor research.


There are lot of fake videos in youtube for views and monetary gains.  But how do you say that magnetic motor research is useless?
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: blueplanet on February 11, 2019, 02:06:44 PM

I would not rule out any possibility that we would end up with something new, intentionally or incidentally. It is just a matter of time. There is nothing useless if we can be open-minded and flexible. We may not get perpetual motion out of a magnet but we may end up with something highly useful.


I am not complaining about the research process which everyone of us has to go through. What I am complaining about is those invisible attempts to misguide the genuine researchers.  They know very well most FE researchers are lovers of magnets.  I believe making money is not their only objective.





There are lot of fake videos in youtube for views and monetary gains.  But how do you say that magnetic motor research is useless?
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Low-Q on March 06, 2019, 03:02:28 PM
yesterday A member received this info [unsolicited from South Korea

https://infinitysav.com/magneticgenerator/ (https://infinitysav.com/magneticgenerator/)
any info would be appreciated
I have not much to add, but I get very sceptic at once a device is plugged into the mains. If this generator can deliver more than the input, it could run without the mains plugged in. At least unblugged the mains once it's started.


Vidar
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Low-Q on March 06, 2019, 03:53:40 PM
Video at :
https://youtu.be/ExygPXDzLow (https://youtu.be/ExygPXDzLow)

By moving a steel plate as a shield between two repelling stack of magnets, one on wheel and another fixed to the table, the
wheel can be made to rotate continuously.
If a roller ball is used between the magnet and the shield, the shield can be moved easily over the surface of magnet because the magnetic field is almost uniform in parallel plane.
The iron plate experience a magnetic field that is stronger when you position the rotor magnet side by side to the stator magnet. This will resist the iron sheet to be removed, so you need energy to remove the plate.
If you installed a lever on the rotor that rised the plate automatically, the motor will stop.


Vidar
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: norman6538 on March 06, 2019, 04:47:50 PM
I've pretty much given up on most OU stuff. My pendulum that goes from 2pm to 6 to 9 to noon
without getting stuck at noon gets totally ignored. And likewise my permanent magnet slider.
Some people do not recognize overunity   when it knocks them over the head.

I do have some hope for the Kerry Waenga Bessler wheel. I have made 1 of 5 segments and it
does what is claims to do. I need to add 4 more to see if it rotates. Many times what one segment does will not apply to a full wheel.  It uses gravity to store
potential work in a spring which is then used to kick the weight forward and upward over 8 degrees.

You may want to watch that on Bessler.com.

Norman
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on January 07, 2021, 12:24:32 PM
Does this material block magnetic flux without getting attracted to magnet?  Is it real or fake?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veXx-8rGuks
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: gyulasun on January 07, 2021, 08:12:45 PM
Hi Vineet,

It is real, I mean it is able to block magnetic flux but it does have magnetic permeability of around 80,000 so magnets surely attract it excellently.

Some more info is here: https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Flux-Field-Directional-Materials-EM80KM/?N=5002385+3289539403&rt=rud (https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Flux-Field-Directional-Materials-EM80KM/?N=5002385+3289539403&rt=rud)   or here:https://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/3/3m/flux-field-directional-materials-for-nfc-rfid-and-wireless-power-applications     

All such magnetic flux shielding materials, made for supressing or attenuating unwanted EMI / EMC issues have magnetic permeability. 

Gyula 
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on January 08, 2021, 04:46:58 AM
@gyulasun
Thanks for the reply and link.  Interesting here is that  such a thin plate can absorb so much of flux.  If a strip of that material is used as a leaf spring so that the force of attraction from magnet is neutralized  by bending of the spring,  can we make a 'forceless' shield?
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: gyulasun on January 08, 2021, 02:50:59 PM
Hi Vineet,

I have no info on how much this material is springy, data sheet does not include it  https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/3m/EM80KM-005-1/7652420 , probably it is not. 

If you wish to use it as a 'forceless' shield, it should be sticked to say a thin plastic sheet which is springy enough to bend in the needed degree.   

You could get permalloy sheet, called also as mu metal, which has similarly high permeability as the above material (70,000 - 100,000) See price here:  https://www.amazon.in/Mu-Metal-Nickel-Sheet-100/dp/B085C3QSR7/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3JVEW7KC21J1L&dchild=1&keywords=permalloy+sheet&qid=1610111885&sprefix=permalloy%2Cindustrial%2C185&sr=8-3 (https://www.amazon.in/Mu-Metal-Nickel-Sheet-100/dp/B085C3QSR7/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3JVEW7KC21J1L&dchild=1&keywords=permalloy+sheet&qid=1610111885&sprefix=permalloy%2Cindustrial%2C185&sr=8-3)   

Alternatively, there are pure nickel strips used for battery connection but they are not likely as springy as one would like,  nevertheless they are available: 
https://www.amazon.in/Kewholesale-99-96-Battery-Connection-Welding-50Pcs/dp/B08282BWX1/ref=pd_sbs_328_3/257-8489244-2938319?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B08282BWX1&pd_rd_r=9cfeb013-1d90-45a8-afde-c052e8bb3d8e&pd_rd_w=4XaoG&pd_rd_wg=gS5gc&pf_rd_p=daed850f-93fe-4839-8ae5-b1d9164f99e8&pf_rd_r=65QS835KEX1391MVKQ8M&psc=1&refRID=65QS835KEX1391MVKQ8M (https://www.amazon.in/Kewholesale-99-96-Battery-Connection-Welding-50Pcs/dp/B08282BWX1/ref=pd_sbs_328_3/257-8489244-2938319?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B08282BWX1&pd_rd_r=9cfeb013-1d90-45a8-afde-c052e8bb3d8e&pd_rd_w=4XaoG&pd_rd_wg=gS5gc&pf_rd_p=daed850f-93fe-4839-8ae5-b1d9164f99e8&pf_rd_r=65QS835KEX1391MVKQ8M&psc=1&refRID=65QS835KEX1391MVKQ8M)   

The magnetic permeability of nickel varies between 100 and 600, so not as high as mu metal or permalloy but still much higher than air. 
 
So you can continue brainstorming on setups with 'forceless' shields.   8)

Gyula
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
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Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on February 23, 2021, 07:37:34 AM
Vineet, this ceramic blocks the field without being attracted or repelled by it, inventor does not reply to emails and you cannot buy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVcB3mVyZWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FABlYE9Vhc
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on February 24, 2021, 08:29:54 PM
@Nix85

interesting material
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on February 25, 2021, 12:03:21 AM
@Floor yea
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: norman6538 on February 25, 2021, 02:00:28 AM
The problem with metal between 2 magnets is you have 2 sticky spots on each side of the metal and worse yet they are closer than the magnets are so the sticky is more than doubled because they are closer. Been there done that many times.

Due to COVID and winter weather I have been working on the Flynn parallel path ideas. You can take two long strips of metal and slide a magnet between them but not touching them and move the flux from one end to the other. For max power the gap needs to be very small ie. .008 in. ie postcard gap. That is hard to embody quick and dirty.

And I am also working on an enhancement to this Flynn idea combining a Butch lafonte  trick. I'll get back when I have measurements to share.

But I did not find
that sliding another mag down close the one already there as Flynn proposed - makes any additive or multiplicative attraction force.

 
That was very discouraging plus after all these years we have not heard of any Flynn motors.

Norman
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on February 25, 2021, 04:33:11 AM
Vineet, this ceramic blocks the field without being attracted or repelled by it, inventor does not reply to emails and you cannot buy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVcB3mVyZWw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVcB3mVyZWw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FABlYE9Vhc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FABlYE9Vhc)

Second video shows  that magnet is getting repelled. Few comments say that it is bismuth which is a diamagnetic material.

A ferromagnetic material is attracted to both N and S poles and a diamagnetic material is repelled by both poles.  If a alloy of  ferromagnetic  and diamagnetic material is made with suitable percentages,  the attractive force on one material is neutralized by  repulsive force on another material hence we may get a shield which is neither attracted nor repelled by magnet.  It may block field from very weak magnets because repulsive force experienced by a diamagnetic material is very less compared to attractive force on ferromagnetic material.

If somebody has strips of both ferro and diamagnetic material, he can try making a 'forceless'  shield by sandwiching two strips with different thicknesses so that attractive force is balanced by repulsive force.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on February 25, 2021, 06:38:41 AM
Second video shows  that magnet is getting repelled. Few comments say that it is bismuth which is a diamagnetic material.

A ferromagnetic material is attracted to both N and S poles and a diamagnetic material is repelled by both poles.  If a alloy of  ferromagnetic  and diamagnetic material is made with suitable percentages,  the attractive force on one material is neutralized by  repulsive force on another material hence we may get a shield which is neither attracted nor repelled by magnet.  It may block field from very weak magnets because repulsive force experienced by a diamagnetic material is very less compared to attractive force on ferromagnetic material.

If somebody has strips of both ferro and diamagnetic material, he can try making a 'forceless'  shield by sandwiching two strips with different thicknesses so that attractive force is balanced by repulsive force.

Magnet is repelled from other magnet when ceramic is lifted, there is no repulsion from a ceramic at all.

Bismuth is most diamagnetic (which is way too weak anyway) but what we see is not repulsion, it is neither a Meissner effect. Those in the comments are just mis-guessing.

Apparently this ceramic absorbs magnetic field as if it were a black hole while not being attracted or repelled by it.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on February 25, 2021, 05:39:43 PM
The video as evidence, seems to indicate that the shielding material has a
fair to good degree of effectiveness.

Since we do not know the composition of the shielding material, we cannot
replicate  the demonstration.

The shield material appears to be cast. It has some bubbles.  It may be a ceramic
or it may be a plastic, perhaps epoxy matrix, in which is contained some combination
of materials which create a diamagnetic effect.

What ever its composition, and what ever its effectiveness, we do not definitively know.

          pity
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on February 26, 2021, 01:40:29 AM
which create a diamagnetic effect

Again, this has nothing to do with diamagnetic effect. There is no repulsion here. Magnetic field just disappears in the material without any perceptible interaction.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on February 26, 2021, 04:00:09 AM
@NIX85

QUOTE
"Again, this has nothing to do with diamagnetic effect. There is no repulsion here. Magnetic field just disappears in the material without any perceptible interaction."
END QUOTE

True not diamagnetic.  But that it has nothing to do with diamagnetic effect, we cannot
definitively say.

It is perhaps instead more correctly multi dipolar magnetic.
also
The magnetic field is more likely neutralized than "just disappears in the material".

Although "disappearing" is perhaps also an appropriate description.

Again, without more information, we cannot replicate or verify and videos are not really
very good evidence.  Not even the ones I produce.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on February 26, 2021, 04:12:58 AM
@Nix85
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FABlYE9Vhc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FABlYE9Vhc)

At 0:40,  when magnet is kept on that shielding material, it (magnet) is thrown off by repulsion.  It means it (shielding material) is diamagnetic.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on February 26, 2021, 04:23:22 PM
@NIX85

QUOTE
"Again, this has nothing to do with diamagnetic effect. There is no repulsion here. Magnetic field just disappears in the material without any perceptible interaction."
END QUOTE

True not diamagnetic.  But that it has nothing to do with diamagnetic effect, we cannot
definitively say.


It is perhaps instead more correctly multi dipolar magnetic.
also
The magnetic field is more likely neutralized than "just disappears in the material".

Although "disappearing" is perhaps also an appropriate description.

Again, without more information, we cannot replicate or verify and videos are not really
very good evidence.  Not even the ones I produce.

You are right, i thought of that, we cannot dismiss it has something to do with diamagnetism despite lack of repulsion.

"disappearing" or "neutralized" is after all semantics since we don't know what it really is. We know diamagnetic effect alone is orders of magnitude too weak to produce "neutralization" mixed with ferromagnetic powder.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on February 26, 2021, 04:24:44 PM
@Nix85
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FABlYE9Vhc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FABlYE9Vhc)

At 0:40,  when magnet is kept on that shielding material, it (magnet) is thrown off by repulsion.  It means it (shielding material) is diamagnetic.

That's most likely pure gravity. It is nonsensical to claim this is (normal) diamagnetism as it is orders of magnitude too weak to produce such shielding.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on February 27, 2021, 02:09:10 AM

https://www.longdom.org/open-access/effect-of-temperature-on-electric-current-magnets-and-electromagnet-0976-4860-1000168.pdf (https://www.longdom.org/open-access/effect-of-temperature-on-electric-current-magnets-and-electromagnet-0976-4860-1000168.pdf)

Arrangement  E=  IRON+  IRON+  TIN+  SS+  TIN  wrapped  in aluminum tape. (1+1+1+1+1=5 mm).  Produces 90% shielding???


Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on February 27, 2021, 03:44:17 PM

Mu metal's use as a shield in electronic equipment has been around for 80 + years ?
Mu metal, although it can shield an object, is strongly attracted to magnets. 
It is not neutral to them. 

Ordinarily magnetic shields are FIXED IN PLACE and used to prevent interference
between electronic components.
 
Typically electromagnetic components rather than purely magnetic components (inductors)
are the things that are being shielded.

In a mechanical system, typically the shielding material itself, will be attracted to magnets.

It there fore requires an input of energy (as mechanical work) to install and  / or
to remove a shield from between two magnets.  The energy use to do so, is typically
equal to any work that can be done, by the shielded magnet or magnets.  There is then
no net gain in energy.

It then becomes apparent that the shield must neutralize the force between two magnet
while at the same time, the shield must have a degree force neutrality  to the shielded
magnets.

https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/
    and
https://overunity.com/18551/magnet-shear-to-direct-pull-work-ratio/
  and so on
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on February 28, 2021, 09:28:04 AM
Mu metal's use as a shield in electronic equipment has been around for 80 + years ?
Mu metal, although it can shield an object, is strongly attracted to magnets. 
It is not neutral to them.

Exactly. Same goes for all ferromagnetic materials.

Speaking of ferromagnetic materials, 5% of your brain is made of Magnetite (Iron Oxide Fe3O4) crystals.
Title: Re: Magnetic Effect Without a Magnet
Post by: kampen on February 28, 2021, 07:21:04 PM
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Surprise in Solid-State Physics: Magnetic Effect Without a Magnet
See below:
https://scitechdaily.com/surprise-in-solid-state-physics-magnetic-effect-without-a-magnet/




Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 01, 2021, 04:50:56 AM
Plastic magnetic cores

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQHUZITimUI

Coil repelled by a rock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muJqtz-ECfg
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 06, 2021, 07:05:08 AM
Good to remember, the left hand rule.

When electron goes into the screen as shown by curling fingers, north pole is to the right.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 06, 2021, 06:11:47 PM
Taken from great doc always worth rewatching

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bht9AJ1eNYc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bht9AJ1eNYc)
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: onepower on March 07, 2021, 05:09:17 PM
Nix85
Quote
Coil repelled by a rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muJqtz-ECfg

Mad science... that's a pretty cool video.

Superconductors are the best material to repel a magnetic field and because the free electrons in them experience no resistance they immediately produce induced eddy currents as a counterforce to any external magnetic fields.

I found the effect can be reproduced using a neat setup. If a neodymium magnet is dropped onto an aluminum plate the moving magnetic field induces eddy currents in the aluminum which oppose the motion of magnet. However if the aluminum plate is vibrating the moving aluminum plate produces the same effect as a moving magnet because the motional effect is relative.

So we can move the magnet or a conductive material and produce a similar effect. In effect it's not the material but the moving free electrons in it which produce the effect. Logic would suggest the material with the most free electrons and the least resistance would be the best material to oppose any external magnetic fields. The greater the number of mobile electrons the greater the induced current counterforce, the lesser the resistance the more efficient the effect.

Regards


Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 07, 2021, 08:01:36 PM
Nix85
Mad science... that's a pretty cool video.

Superconductors are the best material to repel a magnetic field and because the free electrons in them experience no resistance they immediately produce induced eddy currents as a counterforce to any external magnetic fields.

I found the effect can be reproduced using a neat setup. If a neodymium magnet is dropped onto an aluminum plate the moving magnetic field induces eddy currents in the aluminum which oppose the motion of magnet. However if the aluminum plate is vibrating the moving aluminum plate produces the same effect as a moving magnet because the motional effect is relative.

So we can move the magnet or a conductive material and produce a similar effect. In effect it's not the material but the moving free electrons in it which produce the effect. Logic would suggest the material with the most free electrons and the least resistance would be the best material to oppose any external magnetic fields. The greater the number of mobile electrons the greater the induced current counterforce, the lesser the resistance the more efficient the effect.

Regards

That was my guess, that rock is metallic and conductive and eddy currents repel the coil. But then why just when coil is first pulsed and then nothing. They are feeding it AC as i understood.

It's not a Meissner effect for sure as superconductor expels but not repels the field.

"However if the aluminum plate is vibrating the moving aluminum plate produces the same effect as a moving magnet because the motional effect is relative. So we can move the magnet or a conductive material and produce a similar effect."

Not sure what exactly you meant by "produce a similar effect". You mean that neodymium's fall is not slowed down by vibrating aluminum?

It instantly reminded me of that navy patent on superconductive room temperature wire vibrated by ultrasound.

Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 08, 2021, 03:24:46 PM
Here is another video of the same material, it seems it attracts magnet a bit, at least on the ends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQw-nk6nYs0
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 08, 2021, 05:51:30 PM
1.
Although one is a noun (a thing) and the other is a verb (an action), energy and change,
these two words are almost synonymous.   

Energy exist everywhere known.
But its existence is as a potential, until it is expressed, and some change occurs.
When energy is expressed / manifested / when is acts, it becomes a force.

Generally that force is in the form of a push or a pull.  It may be mechanical, magnetic,
electrostatic, gravitational or so on.

When energy acts, change occurs. 
There is no way to either measure or know what energy is, except as the change or
changes it causes. 

We may in many instances, because of prior experiment, know the potential energy
in some relationship, but we cannot witness nor measure that energy except as some
change that occurs.

Energy is not energy until it manifests as a force and is causes some kind or another
of change.
Until it acts it is only potentially energy, or potential energy.

Potential energy is not expended nor transformed nor wasted.
...................................
2.
When energy manifest / acts, the change that occurs (as far as is known) is either a
transformation of that energy into another form of energy, or a transfer of that energy,
or both, transfer and transformation. 

Example..

A cue ball strikes another ball. Some of the kinetic energy in the cue ball TRANSFERS
to the other ball. The other ball moves.

But there is also a click sound as some of the energy was TRANSFERRED  to the air and
became sound
(sound is a form of kinetic energy).
 
Also some small amount of the energy was "transformed" into heat
(although heat is a disordered form of kinetic energy).

But also some very small amount of the energy was  TRANSFORMED into
electromagnetic waves.
..............................
3.
Direction (as in toward or away from).

The direction of the interactions between two or more interacting objects or bodies
is a major factor in that interaction.   This is why forces are described in terms of
both magnitude and direction (as vectors).

Example...

Rolling a bowling ball along a level surface required no work against gravity.
The DIRECTION in relationship to gravity's pull matters.

Except that, friction between the bowling ball and the surface would not be present
if not for the weight given to the bowling ball by gravity's force. 

Otherwise (as long as the surface is level) it requires no work, either against or
assisted by gravity to roll the bowling ball.

Energy is expended to overcome the inertia of the ball.

If the surface is not level, but otherwise flat, one may expend energy against gravity,
be assisted by gravity

                           or...

again be unaffected by gravity in rolling the ball.  This would be moving the ball as
either,
up hill,
down hill
              or
at precisely 90 degrees to the direction of the surface's incline (gravity neutral).
...........................
3.
Magnets can be force neutral to one another in a manner similar to that of a ball and gravity.

That force neutrality is direction specific.

Energy is expended in relationship to a force, when we act either toward or away from the
direction of that force, but not when we act at 90 degrees to it (mostly).

floor
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on March 09, 2021, 01:55:17 AM
Here is another video of the same material, it seems it attracts magnet a bit, at least on the ends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQw-nk6nYs0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQw-nk6nYs0)

All three videos are made in 2011.   By this time he should have built a working perpetual all magnet motor.  Do you think it is real?
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 09, 2021, 07:54:01 AM
All three videos are made in 2011.   By this time he should have built a working perpetual all magnet motor.  Do you think it is real?

I have no doubt material is real and also no doubt it is totally not needed.

Let it here be stated there are infinitely many ways to make a working perpetual motor/generator, just as there are infinitely many ways to fail.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 09, 2021, 07:57:19 AM
Most important of all concepts in creation is

R E S I S T A N C E

Without this primordial concept nothing could manifest.

Through resistance God / Self creates, by interference patterns in the primordial cosmic force field of infinite frequency and amplitude resisted by the second order energies along 6 axis of TIME.

Below is Bentov's cosmic egg and universe wide spark gap.

It is also a picture of primordial paradox.

Consciousness does not really want to split, polarize itself, but it does want it cause duality allows it to better know and appreciate the original state of perfect unity.

SCALE OF CREATION ACCORDING TO BENTOV

One egg universe as seen below + 48 more similar ones in a great 7 level spiral make one cell.

15 such cells make double tetrahedron structure.

Thousands of such structures make even bigger cell and countless number of such bigger cells make the first of 7 COSMIC PLANES.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on March 17, 2021, 04:53:04 AM
I have no doubt material is real and also no doubt it is totally not needed.

Let it here be stated there are infinitely many ways to make a working perpetual motor/generator, just as there are infinitely many ways to fail.

Magnetic field is non physical entity hence it cannot be blocked by any material object.   Magnetic materials like iron do not block magnetic field but provide path of least resistance to magnetic flux to reach the other (opposite) pole.

If at all a magnetic field is to be blocked,  it can be done only by using another non physical field.   Is there any field which can block magnetic field?
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: antijon on March 17, 2021, 02:03:18 PM
In the first video the L shape suggests he's using it as a "channel" to direct the fields. Why else would he need a stack of 8 magnets to repel a single magnet? Looks like he's using the stack to bring the lower pole closer to the bottom of the L.

This could be done with steel, too, except it would be hard to pull apart. Steel at the right thickness could act as a channel for one magnet, but as a second magnet is brought closer in repel, the steel saturates, leaving only a slight repelling force. This is similar to the neutral zone.

This is all speculation, but his material could be nonmagnetic, like aluminum, to prevent tackiness. But if it included a low amount of small iron fillings, it might behave this way. Don't know why else a magnet isn't tacky on the flat side, but is attracted to the side of the L, except that the magnetic path is longer allowing the side to form a stronger pole.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 17, 2021, 05:33:57 PM
Magnetic field is non physical entity hence it cannot be blocked by any material object.   Magnetic materials like iron do not block magnetic field but provide path of least resistance to magnetic flux to reach the other (opposite) pole.

If at all a magnetic field is to be blocked,  it can be done only by using another non physical field.   Is there any field which can block magnetic field?


Physical? There is no such thing as physical. All is one energy field cascading all the way
down to "matter".

I know well ferromagnetic materials do not block but redirect the magnetic field, i think this is the second time you mention this as if every 5yo does not knows this.

I did not say it blocks it, i said it apparently absorbs it without being attracted or repelled by it.

There are also subtle aspects of magnetism like A-field and Aharonov Bohm Effect.. You can not speculate or come to conclusions without taking these into account.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_vector_potential

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aharonov%E2%80%93Bohm_effect

In layman's terms, charged particle can be affected by a electromagnetic field altho it is not inside the field.

Conventional physics calls the carrier of the magnetic flux virtual photons which is not that far from truth but they also do not understand magnetism nor the energy creating it.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 17, 2021, 06:02:21 PM
Why else would he need a stack of 8 magnets to repel a single magnet?

When you stack magnets like that, after second block there is no increase in field strength.

Again, watch closely, the edge of that material attracts the magnet

https://youtu.be/SQw-nk6nYs0?t=18

It's strange, if it was ferromagnetic it should attract anywhere, not just on the edges.

Maybe outer layers are pyrolitic carbon and inside neodymium powder but diamagnetic effect is not that strong. Who knows.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 17, 2021, 06:38:05 PM
Few years back i was very much into this shielding thing (when i thought it's needed), i had a bunch of ideas.

One idea i liked a lot was two blocks made of many small neodymium blocks N S N S.. say 100 of them. Two blocks in repulsion so that each N is facing N and every S is facing S inbetween the blocks, two blocks being forced together with epoxy or whatever.

Since there is equal number of N and S on each side average polarity is 0 relative to the big magnet passing by, but flux of the big magnet cannot pass through the block cause they are in repulsion.

So say big N is approaching such block, it's flux would all focus on the 50 small S neodymiums.

But just behind them is opposite polarity repelling the big N.

So question is would big N ignore all the small magnets repelling it on both sides and just link with 50 small S attracting it, or would the attraction and repulsion cancel out which was the original idea.

I tend to think it would lock up with the 50 small souths and come to stop.

Then, there are similar ideas on youtube with balancing repulsion between same poles with layers of ferromagnetic material, but things get tricky at various angles.

Remember the Don Smith's generator that allegedly worked in similar fashion.

He never revealed exactly how, he said in his lecture (on youtube) that it's a vinly LP cowered with "metal powder". I once corresponded with late Patrick Kelly and he claimed Don said it was neodymium powder in one of his lectures, but this would obviously not work. He probably misremembered the "powder metal" for "powder neodyimium".

Don also claimed on his old site crazy power output for this device below (unless his site was hacked as PK told me which i doubt) like 50kW per coil or similar.

I was totally into this device, still love it's design.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 17, 2021, 08:14:08 PM
A-field
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on March 18, 2021, 02:02:42 AM

I did not say it blocks it, i said it apparently absorbs it without being attracted or repelled by it.


The shield absorbs flux from left magnet and holds it on left side,  also absorbs flux from right magnet and holds it on right side.  The repelling flux on left and right side stay within the shield without repelling.  Is that so?
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 18, 2021, 10:16:07 AM
The shield absorbs flux from left magnet and holds it on left side,  also absorbs flux from right magnet and holds it on right side.  The repelling flux on left and right side stay within the shield without repelling.  Is that so?

Don't you see when he puts magnet pole on the material there is no attraction or repulsion. If it was "absorbing flux" in ferromagnetic way as you imply, there would be attraction.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on March 18, 2021, 12:51:34 PM
Is it the same L shaped shield used in this motor?  Why rotor is experiencing force if flux is totally abosorbed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWhDTfuzLJ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWhDTfuzLJ8)

his channel is at  http://www.youtube.com/user/dietmarhohl (http://www.youtube.com/user/dietmarhohl)

Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 18, 2021, 01:17:41 PM
I don't think the two are related at all.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: antijon on March 18, 2021, 02:11:39 PM
Nix, I tend to agree with you more than not. lol I never studied magnet motors, but I also think your idea would lock due to attracting poles.

In my mind magnets are unipolar and similar to gravity. Because field lines always close, an attract will always beat an oppose. In free space, you'd never find two magnetic fields in opposition because a torque would be developed to cause them to attract. And I say it's similar to gravity because if you just took a giant wad of magnets randomly oriented, they'd still be bound together, and the effect on neighboring magnets would be a net attract. Similar to iron with it's random domains, yet an ability to attract any magnetic field.

I guess that means I also think there's an opposing field of gravity, but you'd never see it in nature. I mean, if we look at the earth like a piece of steel and we're the magnet, how can we change the magnet to repel the steel? Doesn't seem feasible.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: lancaIV on March 18, 2021, 02:41:15 PM
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreisel (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreisel)


It can also be observed: If the rotating gyro tries to tilt its axis of rotation, then a force (https://k27sr35yhdvurv3e26dpmlrpx4--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Kraft) can be registered perpendicular to the direction of tilt of the axis of rotation. The faster the top rotates, the greater the forces (which are also called gyroscopic forces ). This can be explained by the high angular momentum of the top, which has to be changed in its direction. Its change takes place in the direction in which the axis of rotation is tilted and requires a torque that lies in the tilting plane. The torque to be applied determines the force acting perpendicular to the direction of tilt.


Conversely, a torque perpendicular to a rotating top does not cause it to change its orientation around the axis of the torque, but rather tilts in the direction of the torque axis.


Gyroscopic behavior based on an enclosed body. The explanation of the gyroscopic behavior may be computationally logical,


            but the angular momentum itself is not a very clear variable.


            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum)


Therefore, to check the plausibility of the processes, assume a body that is enclosed in the top. As long as the top rotates stably around its figure axis, the top only has to exert a centripetal force (https://k27sr35yhdvurv3e26dpmlrpx4--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Zentripetalkraft) on the enclosed body . It gets exciting when the rotation axis of the top is tilted and the movement of the body is analyzed. Then the enclosed body also moves in the tilting direction, but constantly changes its side and thus its direction of movement, i.e. its speed (https://k27sr35yhdvurv3e26dpmlrpx4--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Geschwindigkeit) . In the direction of the perpendicular to the tilting plane, the enclosed body leads a sinusoidal oscillation (https://k27sr35yhdvurv3e26dpmlrpx4--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Schwingung)out. This means that there is a rest point at the apex and in the "zero crossing", when changing the tilting side, there is the greatest change in the "tilting speed" and thus the greatest force effect. So the top wants to break out of the way when tilting.


http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3900890&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3900890&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)


[0030 ]


It is known that the effort required by two magnets acting on one another is much less if the magnets are shifted laterally to one another instead of being torn off.




Magnetic potentialmay refer to:


Magnetic vector potential, the vector whose curl is equal to the magnetic B field.


Magnetic scalar potential, the magnetic analogue of electric potential.




http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm)


My invention is based upon the fact hitherto unknown, that there exists in the magnetic field or field of attraction of every magnet, at a greater or less distance from the magnet, what I term a neutral line at which soft iron will not be polarized, or magnetized, by the inductive action of the magnet.The location of the neutral line as regards its distance from the magnet differs in different cases, the line approaching the magnet in proportion to the increase in strength of the magnet and receding as the size or cubic contents of the armature is increased.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 18, 2021, 03:24:26 PM
Magnetic lines always close and apparently attraction is slightly stronger than repulsion BUT....

ALL FIELD LINES IN SAME DIRECTION REPEL


Magnetic domains in iron do not align so that they all attract, we find them in all possible directions, that's why they call it randomly oriented.

"magnets are unipolar" Well, if you have a toroidal field there are no poles, so it is not even unipolar, it is nonpolar. As for the carries, there are apparently particles flowing in both directions as Leedskalnin drawn in his "Magnetic Current". If you looked at work of Russel he also depicts gravity and magnetic field as two direction flow. So, yes, gravity and magnetism are both polar when field is open. When fields are closed, there is no sense calling them polar unless you are talking about A-field poles which exist even when there are no classical poles.

Now, regarding gravity. You said Earth is a magnet and we are a piece of iron. That's ok comparison, i'd say our subatomic particles are eddies of force acting as resistors to it's magnetic flow.

With important note that there is an inward stream and outward stream (Hollingshead, Zirbes).

I wrote much more but deleted it cause you have to do your own research if you are really interested into these subjects.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 18, 2021, 04:35:41 PM
As far as is known, all objects that have mass can also exert a gravitational force.

Not only does a base ball experience an attracting force by the earth, but the earth
also experiences an attracting force by that baseball.

The more massive an object, the greater is the gravitational force it can exert.
...   ...   ...   ...

Most (if not all) objects have both, a gravitational and a magnetic quality.

Magnets have two poles, while gravity does not.

Magnetic poles that are alike, repel.  There is no comparable or know repelling, in
regard to the gravitational force between objects.  Gravity is not dipolar.

All objects which contain electrons posses some magnetic characteristics.

An electron in motion in relationship to another object which has electrons,
produces a magnetic force.
            OR
An object which has electrons, when IT is in motion, in relationship to an electron
produces a magnetic force.

Attracting and repelling magnetic forces are all around us.  The forces of attraction
and repulsion cancel each other out, in by far, most circumstances.

Magnets become magnets not when magnetic forces are made, but rather magnets
become magnets, when the balance between attracting and repelling forces
within the magnet material, are made to be, no longer in balance.

Magnetic shielding is in reality magnetic shunting.  But while it may not be clear to
everyone... 
                 ALL shielding is shunting. 
Even the "blocking" of a cannon ball by a castle wall is more accurately described as
force shunting, or force redirection, rather than as simply "shielding".

https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/dlattach/attach/175999/
        video @
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x728wd9

       regards
                floor

Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 18, 2021, 06:33:01 PM
Quote
The more massive an object, the greater is the gravitational force it can exert.

Gravity is not just function of mass, there are other factors like strength of the electric and magnetic fields, spin velocity, extent of etheric mass covering the object etc.

Quote
Most (if not all) objects have both, a gravitational and a magnetic quality.

All that exists be it force or "matter" is made of same neutral bubbles (gravity). There is only gravity and it's modalities. When you resist gravity you first get magnetism, then electricity, then electromagnetism, then sound and finally matter. All same substance at different speed.

Quote
All objects which contain electrons posses some magnetic characteristics.
...
An electron in motion in relationship to another object which has electrons,
produces a magnetic force.

"Any moving charges produce magnetic field. Protons, electrons, muons, tauons… whatever."

"besides magnetic field created by movement all (as far as I am aware) particles have spin property which is a magnetic moment property. Protons as well as electrons have  1/2ℏ  spin. Even neutrons that do not have a net charge."

Also, it is more correct to say electron (which is not a particle but system of particles, that is, standing waves) is a deformation of a magnetic field. Magnetic field produces an electron, not the other way around. We perceive a magnetic field around a moving electron cause it is resisting gravity slowing it down into magnetism, which is also why one way to achieve levitation is with extreme currents as in Dotto Constantan ring.

Quote
Magnets become magnets not when magnetic forces are made, but rather magnets
become magnets, when the balance between attracting and repelling forces
within the magnet material, are made to be, no longer in balance.

Yes..."Iron atom has 4 more electrons spinning in one direction, than in the other".

https://youtu.be/bht9AJ1eNYc?t=1490

But what is magnetic force but slowed down gravity. You may as well call gravity magnetism, it's "vertical component".
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 18, 2021, 09:36:36 PM
Magnets have two poles, while gravity does not.

Magnetic poles that are alike, repel.  There is no comparable or know repelling, in
regard to the gravitational force between objects.  Gravity is not dipolar.

Forgot to address this above altho i said it before. False, false false.

Gravity has 2 poles < geographical south attracting, north repelling, that's why UFOs always come in on Antarctica and leave on North Pole.

There IS gravitational repulsion and it is exactly this what keeps planets, stars, galaxies... apart.

Gravity IS dipolar.

This also reminds me of one incident with Tesla mentioned in Gerry Vassilatos' book.

How Tesla noticed his hand getting sucked in on one side and repelled on another near the axis of a 30kV dynamo spinning at great rpm.

And then there is 3M adhesive tape plant 1980. gravity wall incident

"When he attempted to walk through the corridor formed by the moving film, he was stopped about half way through by an "invisible wall." He could lean all his weight forward but was unable to pass."

http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/e-wall.html

There are tons of accounts like this, Bill Hamilton wrote and spoke about how entrances on the Northrop Anthill facility, Tejon Ranch, California have no doors but two cylinders embedded in the walls which create an invisible forcefield.

George Van Tassel spoke about forcefield stronger than steel made by electrostatic and magnetic fields.

Richard Hoagland spoke how they lost many early satellites because satellites would unexplainably leave their orbits by hundreds of miles because there are BANDS of attracting and repelling gravity around earth.

Speaking of orbits i once calculated the progression of orbits around the sun and to my amazement they too follow the Phi ratio.

Etc.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 19, 2021, 03:26:53 PM
Like I said

Magnets have two poles, while gravity does not.

Magnetic poles that are alike, repel.  There is no comparable or know repelling, in
regard to the gravitational force between objects.  Gravity is not dipolar.

All objects which contain electrons posses some magnetic characteristics.

An electron in motion in relationship to another object which has electrons,
produces a magnetic force.
            OR
An object which has electrons, when IT is in motion, in relationship to an electron
produces a magnetic force.

Attracting and repelling magnetic forces are all around us.  The forces of attraction
and repulsion cancel each other out, in by far, most circumstances.

Magnets become magnets not when magnetic forces are made, but rather magnets
become magnets, when the balance between attracting and repelling forces
within the magnet material, are made to be, no longer in balance.

Magnetic shielding is in reality magnetic shunting.  But while it may not be clear to
everyone...
                 ALL shielding is shunting.
Even the "blocking" of a cannon ball by a castle wall is more accurately described as
force shunting, or force redirection, rather than as simply "shielding".

https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/dlattach/attach/175999/
        video @
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x728wd9

Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 19, 2021, 03:39:09 PM
Magnet basics @

https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/dlattach/attach/175992/

best wishes
floor
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 20, 2021, 10:01:20 AM
Practically everything you wrote is wrong, no need to repeat myself.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 20, 2021, 03:59:09 PM

Cause and effect, action and reaction, relativity, and other scientific precepts
are first found / originate as principles within  metaphysics.

Described in metaphysical terms.  The universe manifests in planes or stages.

From "higher" to "lower".  And yes, at least in the lower planes, speed or frequency
has a lot to do with that order. 

Differing expressions of those principles arise from differing cultural back grounds,
but the fundamentals of those principles remain essentially the same.

Before time could exist, (as if the word "before" has any meaning except within a
context of time)....

out of unity came a trinity. 
              or
From one came three, and from three came the many.

Those three are called... quantity, difference and relationship
 (in older language numbers, letters, and sound or vibration).

One in essence but three in aspect.

From three came the "many".

The "seven" planes of manifestation.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 20, 2021, 04:13:33 PM
But this topic is about "free energy" from magnets, not metaphysics.

Are there methods by which to effectivly shield magnets,

without expending just as much energy to intall and remove the shielding,

as one can then receive from the magnet repulsion and or attraction ?


si.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 20, 2021, 04:50:56 PM
Gravity is a dipole, bands of attraction and repulsion alternate around the sun and planets creating alternating gravitational valleys where we find planets and asteroids and hills where we find nothing. Like everything in nature orbits follow the progression of Phi.

Spirit is beyond illusion of mind (time space). Spirit creates mind as a negative contrast to appreciate the original bliss.

How to understand the bliss which is beyond time and polarity. You cannot understand it mentally but you can sense it cause it is you and you are forever, indestructible.

How would you create something from literally nothing. Obviously you must simultaneously polarize the "nothing", that is, your consciousness. Brahma (creator), Vishnu (maintainer) and Shiva (destroyer) or +1,0 and -1.

This polarization of nothing allows for creation of time-space.

First is imagined infinite vibration. A proto-mind filled with vibrations of infinite frequency, infinite amplitude.

This infinite vibration is bound by vibrations of limited frequency and amplitude creating interference patterns along 6 axis of time creating the illusion of 3D space.

Creation is divided into 7 great cosmic planes, it has a nesting nature. Scale is so mind boggling it is almost ridiculous but i'll repeat it as described by Bentov.

Our universe +48 similar universes like beads on 7 level spiral make one "cell".

15 such cells form a double tetrahedron structure 1 on top than 3 then 7 then again 3 and again 1 giving a fine-structure constant 137.

Thousands of such structures create one even bigger cell and unknown number of such cells make the FIRST OF 7 GREAT COSMIC PLANES.

You can see the immensity of just first plane, next 6 higher ones are not described by Bentov.

What is important is that at the top of the 7th plane sits in a meditative posture a non responding replica of you. As you merge with your self, bang happens and you realize you have always been the non-manifested consciousness.

In the illusion of physical and metaphysical creation scaling follows the ratio of 7x7 that is 49.

So if you go one level above this one you will find

Speed of light, density of matter and rate of time flow are x49.

This ratio is encoded in the Bible, of course, totally not understood.

It is said 7 (or 7000) is number of God.

7 days (tones) of creation.

Image below is screenshot from Solar System by theosophist Arthur Powell. It shows how smallest particle on our plane (something like Planck constant) contains near 14 billion particles of the first plane and this refers just to first GREAT COSMIC PLANE.


Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 20, 2021, 11:37:15 PM
Satcitananda

Sat Chit and Anada

One translation, a playful expression, sanskrit to english as existance, consciousness, and bliss.
         or
Quabalistic / Sepher Yetzirah,  Hermetic / The Emerald Tablet of Hermies,  Kybalion / others
as  numbers letters and sound.

But do you want to cyclically, get a net gain in energy, from magnets ?



Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: norman6538 on March 20, 2021, 11:51:53 PM
But this topic is about "free energy" from magnets, not metaphysics.

Are there methods by which to effectivly shield magnets,

without expending just as much energy to intall and remove the shielding,

as one can then receive from the magnet repulsion and or attraction ?


si.

As I have said and demonstrated in other posts many times before permanent magnets can do useful work ie OU by overcoming the "sticky spot" BUT that OU that I have achieved has not been enough (over 200%) to feed back into the device and keep it running and provide extra to power something.

So I repeat the OU is easy but the "reset and repeat" another cycle requires over 200% OU according to my measurements.

By now I thought Flynn would have motors all round. What happened to that patent?
Norman

Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 21, 2021, 12:05:37 AM

for Nix85

https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/dlattach/attach/175998/

and a video @ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gzr2q


for Norman6538

https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/dlattach/attach/175994/
 
never mind about Flynn what about LaFont's and Norman's ?
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 21, 2021, 12:18:40 AM
Satcitananda - sat is truth, cit ananda consciousness bliss.

This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is dificult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.

Sri Krishna says in Bhagavad gita 7.14

Man has 18 chakras.

6 chakras of Brahmanda (universal egg) and SachKhanda (paradise)
6 chakras of Anda (astral-sensory planes) (anda = egg)
6 chakras of Pindar (physical body)

Hebrew letters are interference patterns on medium cosmic planes, samskrit letters are interference patterns on the edges of the ultimate sphere of creation, transducers of nothing into something (Bentov).

Brahmarandhra, Aum, the sound that sustains creation.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: norman6538 on March 21, 2021, 01:10:30 AM
Thanks Floor. I forgot about the GammaRayBurst idea. I have been doing similar things but the gap needs to be small and friction low.  I use either a bicycle crank to pivot the magnet back and forth or a front bicycle axle because they are both strong without much play to get close tolerances. You cannot have contact and wheels have lots of  friction loss.  Also to move a magnet a good distance to achieve the action causes a large loss in work x distance. So I try to achieve the movements with as little magnet movement as possible so the work loss is lower. For example moving a magnet over the pivot of a metal seesaw to lift and drop back and forth. 

I'll see how the GammaRayBurst idea compares with what I have on the bench now.

Norman

Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on March 21, 2021, 05:00:18 AM

First is imagined infinite vibration. A proto-mind filled with vibrations of infinite frequency, infinite amplitude.
This infinite vibration is bound by vibrations of limited frequency and amplitude creating interference patterns along 6 axis of time creating the illusion of 3D space.


Does fields also have natural frequency of vibration?  If so, what is the natural frequency of vibration of magnetic field?  If  you know this, you can simply resonate magnetic field with external frequency, keep a coil near it and generate infinite energy.


Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 21, 2021, 07:50:24 AM
@LankaIV

I found it a bit difficult to grasp the fundamentals of this
method you posted.   http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm


Although much different than the   user GammaRayburst   presented design @
https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/dlattach/attach/175994/

It seems to me, that the fundamentals of the operations are the same in these two.

Am I understanding the www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm correctly in this
respect.


   regards
         floor
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 21, 2021, 12:36:52 PM
Does fields also have natural frequency of vibration?  If so, what is the natural frequency of vibration of magnetic field?  If  you know this, you can simply resonate magnetic field with external frequency, keep a coil near it and generate infinite energy.

I don't know it's exact frequency, but i do know it's a first child of Primary Light, so it's very close to it and thus extremely high. I doubt any macroscopic object can resonate that high but some nanostructures should (well, electrons do).
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: lancaIV on March 21, 2021, 02:45:09 PM
floor,


nix85 delivered Gary related magnetic force line and field related image ,but to think about there is the need to study the total description.


It is attraction/repulsion distance related, in Gary life era probably for most "engineers" something not as knowledge common !
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 21, 2021, 04:30:09 PM
No NET work is done against the magnetic forces in the two drawings.

It requires the same amount of energy to slide magnets apart as can be
gained from their sliding together.

But because the peak in the force to displace by sliding, the two magnets
away from one another ....

does not occur at the same time as does the peak in the force of the attracting of
the other two magnets, as they slide toward alignment one over the other.

Very difficult to arrive at a 0 work input against magnetic forces in this
arrangement. 

Because the peaks and troughs are not in synchronization, substantial work
would be done in sliding the two sets of magnets between the two positions
illustrated.

It would otherwise require what ?
A complicated gear system to adjust the force to distance ratios of the motions,
so that the the curves match ?
.......
In a momentum based motion context, the sets of magnets would alternate between
slow down and acceleration. Energy would be spent to over come inertia during the
acceleration.  But because the energy to cause deceleration is not captured in
favor of the momentum, the net worth, would be a loss of energy  / slow down.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 21, 2021, 04:36:07 PM
In these orientations there is a good neutralization / net balance of forces, but only
within a certain band of distance between the two magnet sets.

Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 21, 2021, 06:07:38 PM
In these magnet orientation, illustrated in 1-2-4, 1-2-5, 1-2-6 jpg illustrations (below),
the N and S poles of magnet #1 are in a near proximity to one another.
The 2 poles / the field is / are majorly / immediately interactive....

as compared to the distance between the N and S poles of magnet
1 and magnet 2 in the 1-2-3 jpg illustration (above).

The distance between the poles has an effect upon the overall interactions / forces,

In drawing 1-2-4, the magnet (#1) is very soon, self shunting between its own poles. 
At a certain point, its own poles are nearer to one another than they are to the pole on
magnet #2.

Also....  in the configuration illustrates in drawing 1-2-4, forces are neutralized in 2 planes
of motion.

see the newtons magnets PDF, attached IMMEDIATELY below...
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 21, 2021, 06:28:21 PM
A video demonstration

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gzr2q

 floor
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: nix85 on March 21, 2021, 07:15:34 PM
...
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 21, 2021, 10:43:46 PM
see Newton's Magnets PDF file
attached  below
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 22, 2021, 04:20:54 PM
In the next configuration (drawings and video link below) we see separation of the poles
in what is the equivalent of magnet  #1, by virtue of the elongation of the magnet (magnets are stacked).


 Mag Shield 1 video @
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x728wd9
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 23, 2021, 01:06:54 AM
Short video

To see this last arrangement (above)  functioning

  click

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x728wd9

Note...  These designs give cyclic work out from magnets. 

@ Vineet_Kiran

I think that possibly the design given by you at the start of this topic, could
be a working design as well.

https://overunity.com/18140/magnetic-wheel-by-steel-shielding/msg531009/#msg531009

  video @ https://youtu.be/ExygPXDzLow

 best
  wishes
     floor
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Vi on March 23, 2021, 03:37:26 AM
Why are images downloading instead of opening in the browser?
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: vineet_kiran on March 23, 2021, 05:17:27 AM
When magnets are arranged as shown in your figure, the center magnet which is used as shield, experiences a rotating moment.  You may have to slightly modify the design to counter that rotating moment.  I shall try it and post the video whether it works or not.
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 23, 2021, 05:40:16 AM
@Vineet_kiran

If you are addressing floor, please say so.

The magnets will be pushed and pulled upon by forces,

       in directions other than the desired directions of movement.

This is true of all of the presented designs.

The magnets MUST be held in straight lines of travel.

Also, all of them must remain in 90 degree angle, in relationships to each other.
            NO rotation.

These are not theoretical designs.  The drawings are representations of actual
builds. These are demonstrated in the videos I linked to in my posts in this topic.

best wishes
 floor


Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 23, 2021, 05:44:13 AM
Why are images downloading instead of opening in the browser?

Good question.  Maybe someone here on the forum can assist us ?

floor
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 28, 2021, 04:39:41 PM
A test of pdf file browser opening...
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 28, 2021, 04:50:41 PM
test2
Title: Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
Post by: Floor on March 28, 2021, 05:53:23 PM
test 3