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Offline vineet_kiran

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Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2021, 01:55:17 AM »
Here is another video of the same material, it seems it attracts magnet a bit, at least on the ends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQw-nk6nYs0

All three videos are made in 2011.   By this time he should have built a working perpetual all magnet motor.  Do you think it is real?

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« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2021, 07:54:01 AM »
All three videos are made in 2011.   By this time he should have built a working perpetual all magnet motor.  Do you think it is real?

I have no doubt material is real and also no doubt it is totally not needed.

Let it here be stated there are infinitely many ways to make a working perpetual motor/generator, just as there are infinitely many ways to fail.

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« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2021, 07:57:19 AM »
Most important of all concepts in creation is

R E S I S T A N C E

Without this primordial concept nothing could manifest.

Through resistance God / Self creates, by interference patterns in the primordial cosmic force field of infinite frequency and amplitude resisted by the second order energies along 6 axis of TIME.

Below is Bentov's cosmic egg and universe wide spark gap.

It is also a picture of primordial paradox.

Consciousness does not really want to split, polarize itself, but it does want it cause duality allows it to better know and appreciate the original state of perfect unity.

SCALE OF CREATION ACCORDING TO BENTOV

One egg universe as seen below + 48 more similar ones in a great 7 level spiral make one cell.

15 such cells make double tetrahedron structure.

Thousands of such structures make even bigger cell and countless number of such bigger cells make the first of 7 COSMIC PLANES.

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Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2021, 04:53:04 AM »
I have no doubt material is real and also no doubt it is totally not needed.

Let it here be stated there are infinitely many ways to make a working perpetual motor/generator, just as there are infinitely many ways to fail.

Magnetic field is non physical entity hence it cannot be blocked by any material object.   Magnetic materials like iron do not block magnetic field but provide path of least resistance to magnetic flux to reach the other (opposite) pole.

If at all a magnetic field is to be blocked,  it can be done only by using another non physical field.   Is there any field which can block magnetic field?

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Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2021, 02:03:18 PM »
In the first video the L shape suggests he's using it as a "channel" to direct the fields. Why else would he need a stack of 8 magnets to repel a single magnet? Looks like he's using the stack to bring the lower pole closer to the bottom of the L.

This could be done with steel, too, except it would be hard to pull apart. Steel at the right thickness could act as a channel for one magnet, but as a second magnet is brought closer in repel, the steel saturates, leaving only a slight repelling force. This is similar to the neutral zone.

This is all speculation, but his material could be nonmagnetic, like aluminum, to prevent tackiness. But if it included a low amount of small iron fillings, it might behave this way. Don't know why else a magnet isn't tacky on the flat side, but is attracted to the side of the L, except that the magnetic path is longer allowing the side to form a stronger pole.

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« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2021, 05:33:57 PM »
Magnetic field is non physical entity hence it cannot be blocked by any material object.   Magnetic materials like iron do not block magnetic field but provide path of least resistance to magnetic flux to reach the other (opposite) pole.

If at all a magnetic field is to be blocked,  it can be done only by using another non physical field.   Is there any field which can block magnetic field?


Physical? There is no such thing as physical. All is one energy field cascading all the way
down to "matter".

I know well ferromagnetic materials do not block but redirect the magnetic field, i think this is the second time you mention this as if every 5yo does not knows this.

I did not say it blocks it, i said it apparently absorbs it without being attracted or repelled by it.

There are also subtle aspects of magnetism like A-field and Aharonov Bohm Effect.. You can not speculate or come to conclusions without taking these into account.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_vector_potential

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aharonov%E2%80%93Bohm_effect

In layman's terms, charged particle can be affected by a electromagnetic field altho it is not inside the field.

Conventional physics calls the carrier of the magnetic flux virtual photons which is not that far from truth but they also do not understand magnetism nor the energy creating it.

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Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2021, 06:02:21 PM »
Why else would he need a stack of 8 magnets to repel a single magnet?

When you stack magnets like that, after second block there is no increase in field strength.

Again, watch closely, the edge of that material attracts the magnet

https://youtu.be/SQw-nk6nYs0?t=18

It's strange, if it was ferromagnetic it should attract anywhere, not just on the edges.

Maybe outer layers are pyrolitic carbon and inside neodymium powder but diamagnetic effect is not that strong. Who knows.

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Offline nix85

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Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2021, 06:38:05 PM »
Few years back i was very much into this shielding thing (when i thought it's needed), i had a bunch of ideas.

One idea i liked a lot was two blocks made of many small neodymium blocks N S N S.. say 100 of them. Two blocks in repulsion so that each N is facing N and every S is facing S inbetween the blocks, two blocks being forced together with epoxy or whatever.

Since there is equal number of N and S on each side average polarity is 0 relative to the big magnet passing by, but flux of the big magnet cannot pass through the block cause they are in repulsion.

So say big N is approaching such block, it's flux would all focus on the 50 small S neodymiums.

But just behind them is opposite polarity repelling the big N.

So question is would big N ignore all the small magnets repelling it on both sides and just link with 50 small S attracting it, or would the attraction and repulsion cancel out which was the original idea.

I tend to think it would lock up with the 50 small souths and come to stop.

Then, there are similar ideas on youtube with balancing repulsion between same poles with layers of ferromagnetic material, but things get tricky at various angles.

Remember the Don Smith's generator that allegedly worked in similar fashion.

He never revealed exactly how, he said in his lecture (on youtube) that it's a vinly LP cowered with "metal powder". I once corresponded with late Patrick Kelly and he claimed Don said it was neodymium powder in one of his lectures, but this would obviously not work. He probably misremembered the "powder metal" for "powder neodyimium".

Don also claimed on his old site crazy power output for this device below (unless his site was hacked as PK told me which i doubt) like 50kW per coil or similar.

I was totally into this device, still love it's design.

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Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2021, 08:14:08 PM »
A-field
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Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
« Reply #54 on: March 18, 2021, 02:02:42 AM »

I did not say it blocks it, i said it apparently absorbs it without being attracted or repelled by it.


The shield absorbs flux from left magnet and holds it on left side,  also absorbs flux from right magnet and holds it on right side.  The repelling flux on left and right side stay within the shield without repelling.  Is that so?

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« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2021, 10:16:07 AM »
The shield absorbs flux from left magnet and holds it on left side,  also absorbs flux from right magnet and holds it on right side.  The repelling flux on left and right side stay within the shield without repelling.  Is that so?

Don't you see when he puts magnet pole on the material there is no attraction or repulsion. If it was "absorbing flux" in ferromagnetic way as you imply, there would be attraction.

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Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2021, 12:51:34 PM »
Is it the same L shaped shield used in this motor?  Why rotor is experiencing force if flux is totally abosorbed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWhDTfuzLJ8

his channel is at  http://www.youtube.com/user/dietmarhohl


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Re: Magnetic wheel by steel shielding
« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2021, 01:17:41 PM »
I don't think the two are related at all.

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« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2021, 02:11:39 PM »
Nix, I tend to agree with you more than not. lol I never studied magnet motors, but I also think your idea would lock due to attracting poles.

In my mind magnets are unipolar and similar to gravity. Because field lines always close, an attract will always beat an oppose. In free space, you'd never find two magnetic fields in opposition because a torque would be developed to cause them to attract. And I say it's similar to gravity because if you just took a giant wad of magnets randomly oriented, they'd still be bound together, and the effect on neighboring magnets would be a net attract. Similar to iron with it's random domains, yet an ability to attract any magnetic field.

I guess that means I also think there's an opposing field of gravity, but you'd never see it in nature. I mean, if we look at the earth like a piece of steel and we're the magnet, how can we change the magnet to repel the steel? Doesn't seem feasible.

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« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2021, 02:41:15 PM »
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreisel


It can also be observed: If the rotating gyro tries to tilt its axis of rotation, then a force can be registered perpendicular to the direction of tilt of the axis of rotation. The faster the top rotates, the greater the forces (which are also called gyroscopic forces ). This can be explained by the high angular momentum of the top, which has to be changed in its direction. Its change takes place in the direction in which the axis of rotation is tilted and requires a torque that lies in the tilting plane. The torque to be applied determines the force acting perpendicular to the direction of tilt.


Conversely, a torque perpendicular to a rotating top does not cause it to change its orientation around the axis of the torque, but rather tilts in the direction of the torque axis.


Gyroscopic behavior based on an enclosed body. The explanation of the gyroscopic behavior may be computationally logical,


            but the angular momentum itself is not a very clear variable.


            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum


Therefore, to check the plausibility of the processes, assume a body that is enclosed in the top. As long as the top rotates stably around its figure axis, the top only has to exert a centripetal force on the enclosed body . It gets exciting when the rotation axis of the top is tilted and the movement of the body is analyzed. Then the enclosed body also moves in the tilting direction, but constantly changes its side and thus its direction of movement, i.e. its speed . In the direction of the perpendicular to the tilting plane, the enclosed body leads a sinusoidal oscillationout. This means that there is a rest point at the apex and in the "zero crossing", when changing the tilting side, there is the greatest change in the "tilting speed" and thus the greatest force effect. So the top wants to break out of the way when tilting.


http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3900890&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en


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It is known that the effort required by two magnets acting on one another is much less if the magnets are shifted laterally to one another instead of being torn off.




Magnetic potentialmay refer to:


Magnetic vector potential, the vector whose curl is equal to the magnetic B field.


Magnetic scalar potential, the magnetic analogue of electric potential.




http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm


My invention is based upon the fact hitherto unknown, that there exists in the magnetic field or field of attraction of every magnet, at a greater or less distance from the magnet, what I term a neutral line at which soft iron will not be polarized, or magnetized, by the inductive action of the magnet.The location of the neutral line as regards its distance from the magnet differs in different cases, the line approaching the magnet in proportion to the increase in strength of the magnet and receding as the size or cubic contents of the armature is increased.

 

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