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### Author Topic: Newton's Magnets  (Read 33445 times)

#### telecom

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##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #60 on: July 26, 2019, 06:05:28 PM »
For me will be easier to use above drawer slides for the linear motion - they are very sturdy.
https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/11-3-4-in-drawer-slide/A-p8704835e

#### Floor

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##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #61 on: July 26, 2019, 11:25:02 PM »
For me will be easier to use above drawer slides for the linear motion - they are very sturdy.
https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/11-3-4-in-drawer-slide/A-p8704835e

What are you building ?

Sturdy is good but low friction, low mass and especially not much Wiggle, are what is needed.
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QUOTE  from Telecom
"It appears that on the outside there are two repelling magnets, and one magnet in between.
It is equally spaced, and attracts to one external magnet while being repelled by another.
The way I see it, attraction and repelling forces on the central magnet act in the same direction.
In this case, how they are being equalized?
(Its quite different from the case when outside magnets are synchronized through the
rack and pinion arrangement, where outside magnets are pulling each other in the opposite directions)."
END QUOTE

Which design are you referring to ?

(post a link to its drawings or pdf)

https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg521068/#msg521068
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"how they are being equalized?"

Your question is very much too vague.
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floor

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #62 on: July 26, 2019, 11:29:00 PM »
A build of the Tinman design, so far....

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #63 on: July 26, 2019, 11:30:08 PM »
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#### citfta

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• Posts: 1050
##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #64 on: July 27, 2019, 01:55:04 AM »
Hi Floor,

I wasn't sure where you wanted me to post the video showing the start stop action of the rack design so I put it in the other thread.  Here is the link:

https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg537598/#msg537598

I really appreciate all you have shared with us.

Carroll

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #65 on: July 27, 2019, 07:16:14 PM »
@ telecom

I'm not certain of  this but, although you some times respond to my posts, I'm don't recall you have ever having acctually answerd any question that I have ask you.

Since I'm in the position of Not knowing anything about your "build" or its builder,
I respectfully request that you do not present it on any of my topics.  Instead, Post
it in a topic of your own creation if you like.

respectfuly
floor

#### telecom

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• Posts: 560
##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #66 on: July 27, 2019, 08:42:04 PM »
What are you building ?

Sturdy is good but low friction, low mass and especially not much Wiggle, are what is needed.
.... ..... ..... ..... .... .... ....  ....
QUOTE  from Telecom
"It appears that on the outside there are two repelling magnets, and one magnet in between.
It is equally spaced, and attracts to one external magnet while being repelled by another.
The way I see it, attraction and repelling forces on the central magnet act in the same direction.
In this case, how they are being equalized?
(Its quite different from the case when outside magnets are synchronized through the
rack and pinion arrangement, where outside magnets are pulling each other in the opposite directions)."
END QUOTE

Which design are you referring to ?

(post a link to its drawings or pdf)

https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg521068/#msg521068
.... ..... ..... ..... .... .... ....  ....
"how they are being equalized?"

Your question is very much too vague.
.... ..... ..... ..... .... .... ....  ....
floor
These slides have ball bearings inside and extremely low friction, in addition, no wiggle.
I'm planning to make a tinman's setup, but linear , rather than rotary, since it will be easier for me using the above slide.
Basically, two aluminum angles with the opposing magnets, and the sliding magnet in between, rather than rotating.

#### telecom

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• Posts: 560
##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #67 on: July 27, 2019, 08:44:02 PM »
@ telecom

I'm not certain of  this but, although you some times respond to my posts, I'm don't recall you have ever having acctually answerd any question that I have ask you.

Since I'm in the position of Not knowing anything about your "build" or its builder,
I respectfully request that you do not present it on any of my topics.  Instead, Post
it in a topic of your own creation if you like.

respectfuly
floor
I'm in the country now with no internet, writing this from the local library, sometimes can't answer immediately.
Back in the city on Tuesday next week.
BTW, the mechanism of the equalizing is still not clear to me, sorry for being annoying about it.

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2019, 12:09:04 AM »
@telecom

thanks

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #69 on: July 31, 2019, 10:37:18 PM »
Floor's balancing, Lumen's Problem with Tinmans balancing and
Floor's problem with that

Some users on the forum seem to feel as if the board should be for the elite only, while simultaneously they also seem inclined to be in denial of this and contend that they are not behaving as elitists, but rather that it is simply, that they are the elite.  However it seems to me also, that when they find the behavior model of elite-ism has been threatened by some reality, their favored resort, is to denial and to some form of  impolite dismissal.  I've fallen into this my self at times. After all the elite are entitled to something, aren't they ?  Yes, we are ALL entitled. But that entitlement is to be in gratitude, for what tiny advantages life may have given us, but also to be in gratitude for the opportunity, to learn how to freely share with others.  Or else we may realize as did Mr. Schindler, in Spielberg's movie, "that he could have done more, that he, should have done more".

"If I am not for my self, who will be.
If I am only for myself, what am I".

Another kind of user on the forum is the heartless ones.  They are not really heartless,  the human animal can only live because it has a heart.  But they secretly hold, or even espouse that people are stupid, and that they should be punished when they are wrong.  They do not acknowledge that when some one is punishing us, we take a defensive posture.  We are closed off.  We do not and cannot learn, when we are closed off.  So it becomes apparent that the model in which it is espoused, that people must be "taught a lesson"... is erroneous.  Be that as it may, to play the role of the punish-er, is also an
entering into the state of mind which is elitist.  Unfortunately, the only kind of "teaching" an elitist can manage is from a point of  looking down on another, a condescension  Its the state of mind we are in, typically, whenever we are impatient with another.  Condescension is in itself, also a form of punishing another.

The elitist mind embraces punishment as a consequence for being wrong (even if this is self punishment) and  is there fore inclined toward not thinking out side of the box. There is little risk in parroting the facts, even if or when one doesn't  fully comprehend those facts.  The elitist mind ... therefore.... looses access to creativity.  You know what I mean ?  The elitist dislikes condescension and punishments from others, just as much as any one else does.  Because, its just not right.... when they are the one being punished.   And  I agree, its just not right...

All of us take offense some times. All of us offend some times.  Lets us try to "be excellent dudes".

We do as much harm to our self when we take offense, as we do harm to others when we seek to offend  them.  But when we seek to offend others, we do harm to both of us.

So, lets move forward.......

THE TOPIC

I am presenting the "Newton's magnets" interactions and also variations upon those interactions, which are intended as validations of the "Newton's magnets" principles.  This really is what this topic is about.
It is not an attempt at a proof of "over unity" by magnets.  It is a motion in that direction.

I am interested in others stating (if they are so inclined)......

that to the best of their knowledge

"the Newton's magnets interactions do in fact enable those magnets, as described in the attached Newtons magnets PDF file animation, to move in the manner illustrated, with what is near to, a freedom from a resistance by the magnetic forces present.

Step up, if you can and will, and be counted.

I am interested in seeing other proofs of that and similar interactions as well.

best  wishes
floor

#### Low-Q

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##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #70 on: August 01, 2019, 04:11:36 PM »
@Floor

I think your idea is interesting enough to do some more testing. I'll do a test with your design where I use three discs/gears with connection rods to crank shafts that moves the opposing magnets as pistons back and forth at the same time as the third magnet is moving back and forth with right timing.
Btw, is "Newton's magnets" something you figured out or named yourself, or is it Mr. Newton who discovered this? If I google "Newton's magnets" I cannot find anything, no illustrations, other than this thread.

Vidar

#### Floor

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##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #71 on: August 01, 2019, 04:53:42 PM »
@ LowQ

Please give me your response to this question below. I'm not trying to force any ones
hand  here, but I want to know who has both brains and courage on this topic.
I am not asking if the design is over unity, just if it does what is stated.

to the best of your knowledge

"Do the Newton's magnets interactions in fact enable those magnets, as described in the attached Newtons magnets PDF file animation, to move in the manner illustrated, with what is near to, a freedom from a resistance by the magnetic forces present.

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next
Believe it or not.....
Do that, and you will end up with a no O.U. result.

Don't be stuck in the idea that continuous motion is needed, or it would
work better.

It is one reason why no one has tried this in the various ways I describe.

I understand people's inclination to make these interactions into
continuous motion devices.  Conserve momentum, and all that.

BUT THAT IS, ABSOLUTELY NOT THE WAY THEY FUNCTION.
THEY ARE NOT CONTINUOUS MOTION DEVICES.
AND
THEY DO NOT HAVE CIRCULAR OR ROTATEING MOTIONS.
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Next

The reason I call the Newton's magnets design that, is because it is based
on Newton's laws of motion.
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best wishes
floor

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #72 on: August 01, 2019, 08:50:52 PM »
Newton's magnets
Equal and opposite forces.

It requires the same energy expenditure to pull two magnets in attraction apart,
as those magnets delivered during their attraction to each other.
But allso
Because Newtons laws are valid, and because of the  two pole nature of permanent magnets...........

We can change the positions of two magnets, which are in close proximity to one another,
without doing work against the magnetic forces between those  magnets.  To see an example of this illustrated,  open the PDF attached below.

To see Newton's magnets actually done, watch this video, titled "amazeing"  @
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gzr2q

or this variation of the Newton's magnets, watch this video, titled "RtAngSld"   @
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x59r978

or to see a completely different method of neutralizing magnet force as in this video,
titled "TDForceDiagramed"

at 2 minutes and 50 seconds into the video
watch                  https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6wfk0d

or to see yet another, completely different method of neutralizing magnet actions (by brute force)
see this video @

floor

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #73 on: August 06, 2019, 05:22:15 PM »

On a more personal note, I guess its high time that I accept and
acknowledge the contributions and support of the others involved.

And .....

Since this stuff really is open source and since any one may do with it
as THEY see fit,  well then I guess I need to get out of the way, respect,
and know that my peers, really do know what they are doing, just as much as I.
And ...
To for me to relax have some fun and some f ing gratitude for it all !
.
You guys got this ?
.....
Ok, Thanks

floor

#### Acca

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• Posts: 563
##### Re: Newton's Magnets
« Reply #74 on: August 06, 2019, 07:35:10 PM »
Newtons laws are NOT valid ....

You have been brain stamped with Education DOGMA..  Now what So called scientists have rubber stamped
this in to all educational forms is impossible to remove..  Now this is not an insult on you, just a shock
reset if you can think out beyond that mind prison construct..  I was there too...

I will not say any more as I an not an educator to anyone... Take care..

Acca...