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Author Topic: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1  (Read 156184 times)

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #480 on: January 25, 2021, 03:22:54 PM »
To Floor.
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Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solution is given below.
Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solution consists of two lines only.
LINE 1. Current through the electrolyte is given by I = (m)/(Z x t).
LINE 2. Power consumed = (I) x (I) x (R) =  ((m)/(Z x t)) x ((m)/(Z x t)) x (R) = 31.86 W.
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #481 on: January 26, 2021, 01:36:55 PM »
To Floor.
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Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solution is given below.
Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solution consists of two lines only.
LINE 1. Current through the electrolyte is given by I = (m)/(Z x t).
LINE 2. Power consumed = (I) x (I) x (R) =  ((m)/(Z x t)) x ((m)/(Z x t)) x (R) = 31.86 W.
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I am asking you (PERSONALLY!) my question for the 22nd time: Is Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solution correct? Yes or no? Only one word -- either "yes" or "no"!
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #482 on: January 27, 2021, 03:46:04 PM »
To Floor.
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Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solution is given below.
Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solution consists of two lines only.
LINE 1. Current through the electrolyte is given by I = (m)/(Z x t).
LINE 2. Power consumed = (I) x (I) x (R) =  ((m)/(Z x t)) x ((m)/(Z x t)) x (R) = 31.86 W.
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I am asking you (PERSONALLY!) my question for the 23rd time: Is Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solution correct? Yes or no? Only one word -- either "yes" or "no"!
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All members of this forum are waiting for your PERSONAL(!) answer for the 23rd time. Only one word -- either "yes" or "no"!


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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #482 on: January 27, 2021, 03:46:04 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #483 on: January 27, 2021, 03:51:29 PM »
To those members of good will in this forum, who are searching honestly for the truth.
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Ok, let us start from the very beginning. Please read carefully and thoroughly the text below.
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1) Let us consider a standard SOLID conductor. This could be for example a standard copper wire.
1A) A standard SOLID conductor is connected to a standard DC source thus forming a circuit.
1B) The circuit is equipped with a standard DC ammeter and with a standard DC ohmmeter.
1C) The ammeter registers a direct current, which is equal to 1A.
1D) The ohmmeter registers an Ohmic resistance, which is equal to 1Ohm.
1E) Each second the standard SOLID conductor consumes electric energy, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
1F) Each second the standard SOLID conductor generates Joule's heat, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
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2) Let us consider a standard LIQUID conductor (a standard electrolyte). This could be for example a zinc or copper sulphate solution or a sodium chloride (NaCl) solution (ordinary salty water) or whatever electrolyte you want. There are hundreds of standard ordinary electrolytes (LIQUID conductors).
2A) A standard LIQUID conductor is connected to a standard DC source thus forming a circuit.
2B) The circuit is equipped with a standard DC ammeter and with a standard DC ohmmeter.
2C) The ammeter registers a direct current, which is equal to 1A.
2D) The ohmmeter registers an Ohmic resistance, which is equal to 1Ohm.
2E) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor consumes electric energy, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
2F) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor generates Joule's heat, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
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3) In one word, the above two items 1 and 2 are an illustration of one of the basic axioms of electric engineering, which is given by the equality
A = I x I x R = B,
where
A = electric energy, which is consumed each second by the conductor
I = direct current, which flows through the conductor
R = Ohmic resistance of the conductor
B = Joule's heat, which is generated each second by the conductor
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4) Equality A = I x I x R = B is valid for any standard conductor (no matter solid, liquid or gaseous).
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5) Equality A = I x I x R = B can be found in any electric engineering beginner's guide/manual/textbook.
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6) But if the above mentioned axiom of electric engineering is not correct, then it's OK! Let us start creating then a new revolutionary branch of electric engineering with another basic axioms.
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Everything seems to be clear now, doesn't it? (But please ask questions, if any.)
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(to be continued)

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #484 on: January 29, 2021, 02:47:30 PM »
To Floor.
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Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solution is given below.
Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solution consists of two lines only.
LINE 1. Current through the electrolyte is given by I = (m)/(Z x t).
LINE 2. Power consumed = (I) x (I) x (R) =  ((m)/(Z x t)) x ((m)/(Z x t)) x (R) = 31.86 W.
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I am asking you (PERSONALLY!) my question for the 24th time: Is Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solution correct? Yes or no? Only one word -- either "yes" or "no"!
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All members of this forum are waiting for your PERSONAL(!) answer for the 24th time. Only one word -- either "yes" or "no"!

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #484 on: January 29, 2021, 02:47:30 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #485 on: January 29, 2021, 03:18:49 PM »
To those members of good will in this forum, who are searching honestly for the truth.
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No questions as far as I can see -- an indication that everything is clear from our post of January 27, 2021, 03:51:29 PM. This is good. 
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So let us proceed further with our explanations, which we started in our previous post of January 27, 2021, 03:51:29 PM .
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1) Another basic axiom of electric engineering states that all LIQUID conductors (electrolytes) generate a great variety of additional effects (while direct current flows through them, i.e. while electrolysis takes place). Most frequently occurring and most important of these additional effects are as follows.
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1A) Additional effect 1. Transferring of metals from one electrode to the other. Examples of such metals are silver, zinc, copper, aluminium, nickel, chrome, gold, iron, sodium and magnesium.
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1B) Additional effect 2. Generation of chlorine.
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1C) Additional effect 3. Generation of oxygen.
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1D) Additional effect 4. Generation of hydrogen.
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1E) Additional effect 5. Some combination of the above four.
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2) Let us consider additional effect 1. Having in mind our previous post of January 27, 2021, 03:51:29 PM, we can write down that:
A) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor consumes electric energy, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
B) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor generates Joule's heat, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
C) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor transfers copper (or any of the above mentioned metals) from one electrode to the other.
Question: Can we burn/explode in some way the transferred copper in order to generate each second some additional portion of heat?
Answer: No, we can't. Metals are not inflammable under normal conditions.
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3) Let us consider now additional effect 2. Having in mind our previous post January 27, 2021, 03:51:29 PM, we can write down that:
A) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor consumes electric energy, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
B) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor generates Joule's heat, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
C) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor generates a certain amount of chlorine.
Question: Can we burn/explode in some way the generated chlorine in order to generate each second some additional portion of heat?
Answer: No, we can't. Chlorine is aggressive and dangerous for human health, but it is not inflammable under normal conditions.
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4) Let us consider additional effect 3. Having in mind our previous post of January 27, 2021, 03:51:29 PM, we can write down that:
A) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor consumes electric energy, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
B) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor generates Joule's heat, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
C) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor generates a certain amount of oxygen.
Question: Can we burn/explode in some way the generated oxygen in order to generate each second some additional portion of heat?
Answer: No, we can't. Oxygen supports the process of burning, but it is not inflammable by itself under normal conditions.
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5) Let us consider additional effect 4. Having in mind our previous post of January 27, 2021, 03:51:29 PM, we can write down that:
A) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor consumes electric energy, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
B) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor generates Joule's heat, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
C) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor generates a certain amount of hydrogen.
Question: Can we burn/explode in some way the generated hydrogen in order to generate each second some additional portion of heat?
Answer: Yes, we can. And here is the exception. If we burn/explode hydrogen immediately after its releasing, then we could generate each second 0.35J of additional heat.
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5-1) Therefore, having in mind the text above, we can write down that:
A) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor consumes electric energy, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
B) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor generates Joule's heat, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
C) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor generates a certain amount of hydrogen.
D) Each second the released hydrogen is burned/exploded immediately after its releasing.
E) Each second the burning/exploding released hydrogen generates 0.35J of additional heat, that is, 0.35J/s.
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5-2) In one word:
5-2A) The inlet electric energy, consumed each second, is equal to 1J/s.
5-2B) The outlet heat, generated each second, is equal to 1J/s + 0.35J/s = 1.35J/s.
5-2C) Efficiency = (1.35J/s.)/(1J/s) = 1.35 <=> Efficiency > 1.
5-2D) The latter is in perfect accordance with our further development of Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solution. (Please refer to our previous posts.)
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Everything seems to be clear now, doesn't it? Please ask questions, if any. We'll be glad to answer.


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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #486 on: February 01, 2021, 12:54:38 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #487 on: February 02, 2021, 02:04:30 PM »
Still no comments, suggestions, questions?

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #488 on: February 03, 2021, 03:12:31 PM »
About making a real device. But such a real device is in plain sight of everybody. I will explain this in detail. Please read carefully and thoroughly the text below.
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1) Have a look at your car's battery. What happens while you recharge it?
1A) Firstly, you generate Joule's heat. (Please refer to our previous posts.)
1B) Secondly, you generate hydrogen. If this hydrogen is burned/exploded, then a second portion of heat would be generated. (Please refer to our previous posts.)
1C) Thirdly, you store electric energy when the batterry is completely charged. If you connect the already completely charged battery to an ordinary Ohmic resistor (thus forming a circuit) and then if you discharge the battery, then a third portion of heat (this time again Joule's heat as in item 1A) would be generated.
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2) In one word, we can write down that
(B + C)/(A) = 1.35 <=> (B + C + D)/(A) > 1.35 <=> Efficiency > 1.35
where
A = electric energy, which is consumed for recharging
B = first portion of heat, mentioned in item 1A
C = second portion of heat, mentioned in item 1B
D = third portion of heat, mentioned in item 1C
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Simple, clear and understandable. Please refer again to our previous posts, if necessary.
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #489 on: February 04, 2021, 02:26:47 PM »
Any comments, suggestions, questions, which are related to our last posts?

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #490 on: February 05, 2021, 03:26:38 PM »
Deep silence again? :) No questions, no comments?

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« Reply #491 on: February 06, 2021, 01:28:29 PM »
Waiting for your comments and questions.

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« Reply #492 on: February 08, 2021, 02:31:36 PM »
The same topic and the same title -- please follow our hot discussion in besslerwheel.com/forum. A single warrior against a battalion of furious rejectors. :)

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« Reply #493 on: February 09, 2021, 02:53:26 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #494 on: February 09, 2021, 06:35:32 PM »
Considering this thread is 2 years old, someone may have mentioned this before, but vapor-compression cycle heat pumps have a COP avg. of 3-4. Typical AC heat pumps used in millions of homes literally produce more heat than joule heating.

I'm just saying, joule heating may be simple, but it's not the most efficient use of energy for producing heat. So it's not really a shocker to achieve efficiencies greater than 100%.

 

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