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Author Topic: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1  (Read 88831 times)

Offline George1

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #330 on: September 12, 2020, 02:31:33 PM »
To kolbacict.
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You are playing some strange game.
1) At first you are sending some Russian text, which is as if a part of some book. What is the title of this book in Russian (as it is obviously translated from German) and where to find it? (Our expert in Russian says that the translation quality is very bad.)
2) About the original German edition. Where to find it? (We have already an expert in German too.)
3) And at last, do you accept the validity of the first Joule's law, (a) which is supported by the official science and (b) which clearly states that if a standard conductor (no matter solid, liquid or gaseous) is connected to a standard DC source, then the electric energy consumed by this standard conductor (no matter solid, liquid or gaseous) turns entirely into heat?
Looking forward to your three answers.

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #331 on: September 19, 2020, 04:53:59 PM »
To kolbacict.
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Where are you, my friend? Where did you disappear? You would answer my three questions?

Offline George1

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #332 on: September 26, 2020, 04:16:53 PM »
The opposers of our electrolysis overunity heater lost entirely their psychic balance. Please look at the link https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/. (The title of the topic is just the same.)

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #332 on: September 26, 2020, 04:16:53 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #333 on: October 04, 2020, 04:43:32 PM »
Please look at https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/. Seems to be interesting.

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #334 on: October 04, 2020, 08:15:09 PM »
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3) And at last, do you accept the validity of the first Joule's law, (a) which is supported by the official science and (b) which clearly states that if a standard conductor (no matter solid, liquid or gaseous) is connected to a standard DC source, then the electric energy consumed by this standard conductor (no matter solid, liquid or gaseous) turns entirely into heat?
I'm not sure if it is.  I dont know. I'm just looking.

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #334 on: October 04, 2020, 08:15:09 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #335 on: October 18, 2020, 05:28:00 PM »
It's Ok. I understand. You can follow the same topic in besslerwheel.com/forum. For your convenience the greater part of the post there is given below.
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Let us assume that the energy consumed by the standard water-splitting electrolyzer is just equal to the sum of (a) the Joule's heat and (b) the heat, generated by the burning/exploding of the released hydrogen. Therefore we can write down the equality
V x I x t = (I x I x R x t) + (Z x I x t x (HHV)) (1)
where
V = DC source voltage
I = DC current
R = Ohmic resistance
t = time
Z = electrochemical equivalent of hydrogen
HHV = higher heating value of hydrogen
Therefore we can write down the inequalities
V x I x t > I x I x R x t (2) <=> V > I x R (3) <=> V/R > I (4).
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The last inequality (4) unambiguously shows that Ohm's law is not valid for liquid resistors.
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The above considerations are not very precise however. In order to be precise enough we have to introduce the quantities v an i. In other words, we must write down the equality
(V - v) x (I - i) x t = ((I - i) x (I - i) x R x t)+(Z x (I - i) x t x (HHV)) (5)
where
V = DC source voltage
I = DC current
R = Ohmic resistance
t = time
Z = electrochemical equivalent of hydrogen
HHV = higher heating value of hydrogen
v = minimum voltage necessary for the water-splitting electrolysis to begin
i = the related small decreasing of current I, caused by the presence of v.
And from here we can write down the inequalities
(V - v) x (I - i) x t > (I - i) x (I - i) x R x t (6) <=>
<=> V - v > (I -i) x R (7) <=> (V - v)/R > I - i (8).
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The last inequality (8) shows again that Ohm's law is not valid for liquid resistors.
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It is evident that if V is much bigger than v (and I much bigger than i, respectively), then v and i can be neglected and in this case inequality (8) can be replaced with
inequality (4).
In one word, if equalities (1) and (5) are valid, then inequalities (4) and (8) are valid too. But this means that Ohm's law is not valid for liquid resistors.
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Ohm's law is the most basic and most fundamental axiom of electric engineering. No Ohm's law -- no electric engineering. Therefore equalities (1) and (5) are not valid and this fact confirms again the validity of our basic OU water-electrolysis-related concept, which is considered in this topic.
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Looking forward to your answer. 

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #336 on: October 18, 2020, 05:34:55 PM »
The yellow head with black spectacles in our previous post corresponds to number eight. (Some defect of the system obviously replaces number eight with stupid yellow head with black spectacles.)

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #336 on: October 18, 2020, 05:34:55 PM »
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Offline George1

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #337 on: October 24, 2020, 01:32:34 PM »
Any comments, any opinions related to this topic? Any objections against the validity of our water electrolysis OU concept?

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #338 on: October 24, 2020, 02:26:14 PM »
Any comments, any opinions related to this topic? Any objections against the validity of our water electrolysis OU concept?

No comment on what you are presenting as I haven't studied it. However, I would like to point out the irony in regards to those who claim that free-energy tech is being suppressed.
There are those who repeatedly claim that free-energy tech is being suppressed and everyone here should be open-sourcing in order to save the world. Funny thing is that those same people can't even see the free-energy tech that's already in front of them. If people at a free-energy forum can't see it, how can we expect a world full of people with no interest in it to see it? THAT is the REAL problem that we face with free-energy tech!

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #338 on: October 24, 2020, 02:26:14 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #339 on: October 31, 2020, 09:49:49 AM »
To NdaClouDzzz.
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Dear colleague,
Thank you for your reply. But some parts of your text seem to be a little difficult for understanding. Would you be so polite to explain them in detail, if possible?
George1

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #340 on: October 31, 2020, 10:07:39 AM »
Here is a continuation/variation of our previous post of October 18, 2020, 05:28:00. (Please look at besslerwheel.com/forum. Almost the same text in the related topic of the same title.)
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1) Let us assume again that the energy consumed by the standard water-splitting electrolyzer is just equal to the sum of (a) the Joule's heat and (b) the heat, generated by the burning/exploding of the released hydrogen. Therefore we can write down the equality
V x I x t = (I x I x R x t) + (Z x I x t x (HHV)) (1)
where
V = DC source voltage
I = DC current
R = Ohmic resistance
t = time
Z = electrochemical equivalent of hydrogen
HHV = higher heating value of hydrogen
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2) Let us decrease n times voltage V, that is,
V x I x t = (I x I x R x t) + (Z x I x t x (HHV)) (1) <=>
<=> (V/n) x (I/n) x t < ((I/n) x (I/n) x R x t) + (Z x (I/n) x t x (HHV)) (2)
where
n > 1
R = const.; for how to keep R constant please refer for example to our post of July 04, 2020, 01:38:09.
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3) Now let us increase n times voltage V, that is,
V x I x t = (I x I x R x t) + (Z x I x t x (HHV)) (1) <=>
<=> (nV) x (nI) x t > ((nI) x (nI) x R x t) + (Z x (nI) x t x (HHV)) (3)
where
n > 1
R = const.; for how to keep R constant please refer for example to our post of July 04, 2020, 01:38:09.
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4) In one word, it is evident that:
a) equality (1) shows that efficiency is equal to 1;
b) inequality (2) shows that efficiency is bigger than 1;
c) inequality (3) shows that efficiency is smaller than 1.
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5) Therefore by regulating the value of V we can regulate and control the value of efficiency. In other words, efficiency can be either (a) bigger than 1 or (b) equal to 1 or (c) smaller than 1. And this depends on the value of V.
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6) let us remind again that in order to be more precise we have to use V - v instead of V and I - i instead of I, respectively. (For v and i please refer to our previous post of October 18, 2020, 05:28:00.) But if V (and V/n too!) is much bigger than v (and I (and I/n too!) much bigger than i, respectively), then v and i can be neglected and therefore (1), (2) and (3) are perfectly correct.
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7) In one word, we proved theoretically again that the law of conservation of energy is not always valid for any standard DC water-splitting electrolysis process.
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The above theoretical considerations seem to be correct, don't they? What is your opinion? Please share it, if possible.
Looking forward to your answer.
George1

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #340 on: October 31, 2020, 10:07:39 AM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #341 on: November 07, 2020, 03:53:43 PM »
Deep silence again? What happens here? How much time will it take for a simple obvious truth to win public recognition? 

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #342 on: November 07, 2020, 05:46:55 PM »
This is in jest of course but I do have a over unity heater in my apt right now. It mines ETC and keeps my apt at or above 83 degrees. At this moment it is returning a profit of $122 per month.  I do no work for it other than watch. Nice heater huh?
thay

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #343 on: November 08, 2020, 05:44:20 AM »
@George1

I don't think that you, your self, actually belive this is over unity.

Other wise, I think you would have shown us some  experimental proof.

Please build an over unity water heater, and show us the measurements and methods.

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #344 on: November 09, 2020, 07:12:40 AM »
Unfortunately, they don't answer me  often too. so me have been to check the various assumptions yourself.  :)

 

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