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Author Topic: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1  (Read 144158 times)

Offline lancaIV

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #555 on: March 18, 2021, 07:47:32 PM »
https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/doe-technical-targets-hydrogen-production-electrolysis


George1,with these US-gov-targets you can compare your project goals and status quo !








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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #556 on: March 19, 2021, 07:33:29 AM »
So I here is my Hydrogen Oxygen Heater that I built from scrap parts, as the whole unit is made of aluminum to transfer heat to the outside.
It is filled with fish tank sand and Cordierite (crushed catalyst) about 2 inches on top...Need to heat up the cordierite with a flame torch to ignite the cordierite about 2 minutes. This heater consumes 150 watts of electrical energy and after about 30 minutes gets extremely hot so I reduce the voltage in to the HHO generator.. The COP is about 20 times and it is a (Low energy nuclear reaction) a level above chemical reaction. I will NOT debate on this topic period.. I will leave a link to a Korean company who has been in business now for 30 years doing HHO generators on the industrial scale now.. I am NOT talking small HHO kits... they use HHO gas to slice off 3 foot sections off steel like laser.. This is now in the major maturity market of HHO and still scientists have relegated this to a hobby and fringe science,, as European and US markets are still in the dark ages when to come to this technology..

Acca.. P.s.

Thanks to stupid western scientists who have never seen an implosion, and those that have seen it still consider that it is a condensation that cause the vacuum to form.. Look up LENR.. still fringe as power companies shun this topic.. Korea and China are in the energy spear of the future....NOT the West !!!


 http://www.browngas.com/emain.htm
https://browngas.en.ec21.com/

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #557 on: March 19, 2021, 10:46:13 AM »
Good morning,Acca !

Remembers DIY 3d plotter construction ! ::)

We have to differ :
heating device / hydrogen generator
HHO (Brown gas )/ pure 99,999.... % hydrogen

We do not need to discuss but only to state facts !
Each device will find the appropriate application !

The "stupid" western scientists [ was Mr."Yull Brown"(Ilya Velbov) as promotor from Oxyhydrogen western or eastern  ;) by nature] are good in their trials,to find low cost,mass production,processes ,to reach total costs decreasing prices for industrial and private household consumer !

Scratch ( from industrial mass production ) is good for prototyping and experiments,not enough for all to find/get !



And what you tell us about your experience :

your shown device need heat sensors,whose by temperature level react and in-/decrease tension input !
Automatic ! Controlled !

Device destroying risc ! And local damages ( goods,life/health)  !


Sincere
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p.s.: the hydrogen-promotors are actually loosing force :


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.businessinsider.de/wirtschaft/mobility/vw-mercedes-co-verabschieden-sich-von-ihren-wasserstoff-traeumen-das-spricht-gegen-den-h2-antrieb-c/



your words " Korea and China are in the energy spear of the future....NOT the West !!! "  and


                       article statement " Japan and South Korea are driving the technology forward "  ;)  ( and China )



the success from industrial battery technology ( and capacitor laboratory improvement results) is the handicap for hydrogen


https://interestingengineering.com/could-ultracapacitors-replace-batteries-in-future-electric-vehicles


"In the future, it is hoped the supercapacitor will be developed to store more energy than a Li-Ion battery while retaining the ability to release its energy up to 10 times faster - meaning the car could be entirely powered by the supercapacitors in its body panels,” said the study's co-author Jinzhang Liu.[/font][/color]
"After one full charge, this car should be able to run up to 500km (310 miles) - similar to a petrol-powered car and more than double the current limit of an electric car.”[/font][/color]
« Last Edit: March 19, 2021, 01:53:50 PM by lancaIV »

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #557 on: March 19, 2021, 10:46:13 AM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #558 on: March 19, 2021, 01:53:08 PM »
Lanca did you at least look at "BEST Korea" sight as this company is here today because of Brown ?? Your comment makes you sound like the Western scientist(s) (I am bring polite as not to piss you off) who seems to have relegated this technology to the dust bin and any credible comments will be seen as meaning less..

Over 30 years in HHO business and some 300 patents and awards and all you can say this is a scam.. Well you have the right to expose your preference. However Brown did start this whole thing even though he was a fool sometimes.. It's what he started and the result is and it is self evident by this company..

I have been building and generating Oxy /Hydrogen now for years and even the medical application for covid19 are alarming as it reduces the damage
to lungs as also extending life to humans, you might want to do more research as you are very good at it.

I also give my dogs water saturated with HHO and the animals live a long time as well as my organic garden gets watered with HHO gas water.. (Secret to very large vegetables,  hint)..

Acca..

 thanks for the previous links as they are very good..
 
As to Hydrogen it will take a center stage in the future especially in Korea, China, Japan... The West will be the last to use it as it's energy to way too cheep..to adopt Hydrogen...

P.s If you don't read Korean try a translation to your language through the web...

I read Korean as well as Russian and Polish..  I am very old and educated in chemistry and material sciences.. My hobby is LENR now...
I will leave it at that...

Good day... !!!


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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #559 on: March 19, 2021, 02:00:58 PM »
Acca,explain me where it is written from my side : " (all you can say) this is a scam.. "  ???


I studied this technology since more than 20 years  !


And this was also often discussed over the last 15 years here in this forum !


some topic examples :


https://overunity.com/motors-or-vehicles-running-on-hho-or-hydrogen-only-no-gasoline/


other list :

https://peswiki.com/directory:browns-gas

f.e. Newgas Korea- Dealer of B.E.S.T. Brown Gas generators, Korea.  ::)

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #559 on: March 19, 2021, 02:00:58 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #560 on: March 19, 2021, 02:16:08 PM »
To lancaIV.
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Hi lancaIV,
Thanks a lot for the link https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/doe-technical-targets-hydrogen-production-electrolysis
I will consider this link carefully and will write to you in the nearest future.
Please send to me, if possible, any other similar links containing companies/institutions, involved in hydrogen-generating activities. (As a mediator/supplier of such a valuable contact information you will be awarded, it goes without saying.) 
Regards,

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #561 on: March 19, 2021, 02:19:12 PM »
To Acca.
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Hi Acca,
You have sent very interesting things. Need some time to consider them carefully and understand everything completely and thoroughly. I will write to you in the nearest future.
Regards,

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #561 on: March 19, 2021, 02:19:12 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #562 on: March 19, 2021, 02:50:43 PM »
Acca
You are true “human” .. on a water planet hydrogen economy
Should change everything ( one big key anyway)


Your words inspire ... ( written previously about “ it’s time to change “
I take the hatchet to the exhaust pipe!!


LENR research needs more hands and eyes willing to change too


Covid has both harmed as well United our planet!!
East west north south ....


I could not find You tube you wrote MAGNET VORTEX ??


However here they do try to hinder such ?(giggle YouTube guys)
( Google trying to suppress recent book on another topic here)

//—-//—-


I cannot write the words to properly express my gratitude!!


Respectfully
Chet K

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Perhaps this LENR should get its own teaching /experiments spot




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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #563 on: March 19, 2021, 03:21:01 PM »
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Hi Chet K,
Hi dear colleague,
Welcome to our team of new technologies enthusiasts!
Magnetic vortex? A few explanations about this phenomenon?

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #564 on: March 19, 2021, 03:45:12 PM »
Sir
Please see post #556 on your topic here (#556 above)


ACCA post references his build and you tube channel !


LENR is most interesting research !


Respectfully
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #565 on: March 20, 2021, 03:15:22 PM »
Please send to me, if possible, any other similar links containing companies/institutions, involved in hydrogen-generating activities :


https://www.google.com/search?q=hydrogen+symposium&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&oq=hydrogen+symposium&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30l9.7825j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8



all Universities global


all car manufacturer


Air Liquide,Linde ( Linde is a global leader in the production, processing, storage and distribution of hydrogen. )








https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11090-016-9766-6


but related hydrogen-rich Syngas ,not pure hydrogen




type of electrolysis comparison.KWh/Kg input :


 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11090-016-9766-6/tables/1


LENR or " cold fusion" paper :
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237276063_COLD_FUSION_BY_PLASMA_ELECTROLYSIS_OF_WATER






http://panacea-bocaf.org/kanarevelectrolysis.htm


His tests show at least 10 times the capacity but his data also suggests 4,000 times more hydrogen than the Wh input would predict. He also has measured very significant hydrogen generation when his cell is not powered.



from an inventor in the Lebannon :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=2004156779A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20040812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021121&CC=US&NR=2002170292A1&KC=A1

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #566 on: March 20, 2021, 04:01:58 PM »
Lanca
Your link again
http://panacea-bocaf.org/kanarevelectrolysis.htm





Plasma ....


Ran with no input?


LENR... ?




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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #567 on: March 21, 2021, 08:09:19 AM »
What is the chicken skeleton formed from?
The protein and yolk obviously do not contain so much calcium. ;)

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #568 on: March 21, 2021, 02:25:41 PM »
George1 :


https://patents.google.com/patent/US4747925A/en


C.O.P average 3 for electric input and hydrogen energetic value




by cited/citing documents you will see different applicators and institutions


https://patents.google.com/patent/US4014777A/en  "Brown gas" or oxy-hydrogen inventor/promotor

A good argument 1973 :  The generation of cheap gas, up to 6 to 7 times cheaper than normal gas supplies.



this inventor (now R.I.P.) worked also with Kanarev
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20070065765A1/en

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2006108198&tab=PCTBIBLIO















https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190186022A1/en


priority: 2011  publication : 2019  8)


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During this example, water was hydrolyzed into hydrogen and oxygen gas (HHO) at a measured rate of 17.9 grams of water consumer per minute. Given that a mole of water has a mass of 18.0 grams, it follows that 0.994 moles of water were generated per minute. Since an ideal gas has a volume of 22.4 liters per mole, it also follows that the reactor generated 0.994×22.4=22.26 liters per minute or 1335.6 liters per hour of HHO. If a mole of hydrogen is 1.0794 grams, and if 1335.6×2/3/22.4=moles per hour of hydrogen are generated, this equates to 39.75 grams per hour of generated hydrogen. Recalling that the reactor and vacuum pump consume 0.5555 kilowatts (Kw) to generate 0.03975 kilograms (Kgs) in one hour, it follows that the reactor requires about 13.97 KwH to generate one kilogram of hydrogen. At a typical off-peak rate of about $0.17 per KwH for external power, the reactor can generate hydrogen for about $2.37 per kilogram, which has been found to be competitive.




13,97 KWh electric power input for 33,3 KWh hydrogen energetic value = C.O.P. ?


13,97 KWh electricity x 0,17 USD = 2,37 USD


They only calculated the electricity costs per Kg hydrogen,not the total investment costs per Kg !








near future :


water to hydrogen as heat source to high efficient heatelectric converter :


https://judbarovski.livejournal.com/173410.html?utm_source=3userpost


C.O.P. 3 electrolysis x 0,8 ( for 80% conversion efficiency) = total 2,4 water to electricity system C.O.P.




conventional ic-engines actually    C.O.P. 0,15    in average






But : innovative,standarts changing, ideas are not ever successfull,an example  :   https://www.axionpower.com/the-battery/


https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/energy-storage-setback-as-two-firms-fail


" ...... Axion invested about $50 million in adopting it for use in batteries  .... "


The company was a veteran of the energy storage industry, having been founded in 2003. As reported in GTM back in 2009,  Axion aimed to give lithium-ion a run for its money with an advanced lead-acid battery equipped with carbon electrodes.


The electrode technology, from a Russian company that had been developing it for superconductors, was supposed to give the battery a lifespan three to four times longer than batteries using traditional lead negative electrodes.


" Needing a long breath" and good, contract warranted,partners !

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« Reply #569 on: March 21, 2021, 07:40:01 PM »
And how does browns gas melt exotic metals?
5000C ?? Or....titanium and other?


What is the hottest temp hydrogen gas can reach as “ heat flame” ?


Under enuff heat all is consumed ... safely ( for atmosphere??


Could solution for plastic problem be remediated ? Heat to power plant ?


Would make plastic garbage into gold for needy areas ... if truly made environmentally friendly by extreme hydrogen temps?
Temperatures?
Cogen?


Clean up the plastic mess with SUPER high heat ( all toxic consumed??
And generate power?




 

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