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Author Topic: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1  (Read 88856 times)

Offline George1

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #315 on: August 22, 2020, 02:12:56 PM »
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Good question! The answer is simple however. Please look at the two links below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump
The above two links answer clearly your question.

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #316 on: August 22, 2020, 02:16:39 PM »
To kolbacict and to all other members of this forum, who are interested in the topic.
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Please look at the following five links below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_conductor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilowatt-hour
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule%27s_laws
https://www.homerenergy.com/products/pro/docs/latest/electrolyzer_efficiency.html
The first link explains what is a conductor.
The second link explains what is a kilowhatt-hour (kWh).
The third link explains what is a Joule (J).
The fourth link gives the first Joule's law definition.
The fifth link gives some experimental data, that is, the electric energy, consumed by a standard hydrogen generator and the heat, generated by the released hydrogen, if the latter is burned/exploded. According to this fifth link a standard industrial water-splitting electrolyzer consumes 50 kWh of electric energy in order to produce 1kg of hydrogen. And if this 1 kg of hydrogen is burned/exploded, then the generated heat is 39.4 kWh, respectively.
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Please read very, very carefully the texts in the above links and understand very well what they are explaining exactly. And just then proceed to the text below.
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1) Let us assume that the first Joule's law is correct. Therefore 50 kWh of electric energy transforms entirely into 50 kWh of Joule's heat and in addition 1 kg of hydrogen is released, which if burned/exploded, generates 39.4 kWh of heat. So it is evident that the inlet energy is 50 kWh and the outlet energy is
50 kWh +39.4 kWh and we can write the inequality 50 kWh < 50 kWh + 39.4 kWh, that is, efficiency > 1. This is a technology breakthrough revolution 1.
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2) Let us assume that the law of conservation of energy is correct. In this case we have to write down the equality 50 kWh = 10.6 kWh + 39.4 kWh, where
10.6 kWh is the generated Joule's heat. It is evident that 50 kWh > 10.6 kWh and therefore the first Joule's law is not correct. This is a technology breakthrough revolution 2.
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3) Let us assume that the generated Joule's heat is smaller than 10.6 kWh. In this case both the law of conservation of energy and the first Joule's law are not correct. This is a technology breakthrough revolution 3.
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4) Let us assume that the generated Joule's heat is bigger than 10.6 kWh but smaller than 50 kWh. In this case both the law of conservation of energy and the first Joule's law are not correct. This is a technology breakthrough revolution 4.
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5) Let us assume that the generated Joule's heat is bigger than 50 kWh. In this case both the law of conservation of energy and the first Joule's law are not correct. This is a technology breakthrough revolution 5.
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6) In one word, it doesn't matter what will be your experimental results, related to the measurements of the generated Joule's heat. In any case you will have either
(a) a technology breakthrough revolution 1 or (b) a technology breakthrough revolution 2 or (c) a technology breakthrough revolution 3 or (d) a technology breakthrough revolution 4 or (e) a technology breakthrough revolution 5.
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(Note. In your calculations you can replace kWh with J (1 kWh = 3 600 000 J), but the facts will remain the same.)
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7) Actually the experimental data are available (supposed to be guaranteed by the hydrogen generators' manufacturers) and it is only necessary to look at these experimental data and draw the related simple conclusions.
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Everything seems to be correct, doesn't it?
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Looking forward to your answer.
George

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #317 on: August 22, 2020, 04:40:10 PM »
electrolysis under pressure?




Pressure is necessary for Electrolysis to occur.
At 0 Atm, and at (-) pressures, the process fails.
Mainly due to a great variation between water pressure and electric pressure. (tension)


This is different from atmospheric dispersion - where in water vapor is electrolyzed at 1ATM


Most electrolysis takes place at ~ 1 ATM out of convenience
And while there is little hard data on the subject, increases in pressure as well as sealed vessels
present some anomalies in energy measurements when changes in internal pressure exist.


To put it short and frank, it is possible to ‘gain’ energy values proportional to the liquid-gas phase change pressure difference.

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #317 on: August 22, 2020, 04:40:10 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #318 on: August 22, 2020, 04:42:57 PM »
Don't you believe in Stanley Meer's technology?

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #319 on: August 22, 2020, 04:47:54 PM »
George


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from their power bills.


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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #319 on: August 22, 2020, 04:47:54 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #320 on: August 25, 2020, 05:46:11 PM »
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3) The Joule's heat, generated in the process of electrolysis is given by
Q = I x I x R x t = (7.9 A) x (7.9 A) x (0.5 Ohm) x (1200 s) = 37446 J = outlet energy 1.
it seems to me a mistake that you consider here all the energy of electricity converting into heat.

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #321 on: August 29, 2020, 02:54:42 PM »
To kolbacict.
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Hi kolbacict,
Thank you for your reply.
I am answering you immediately.
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1) According to the first Joule's law if a standard DC source is connected to a standard conductor (no matter solid, liquid or gaseous), then the energy consumed by the conductor (this energy we called the inlet energy) turns entirely into Joule's heat (this heat we called outlet energy 1). Therefore we can write down the equality inlet energy = outlet energy 1
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2) In any standard DC water electrolysis process however (while current passes through the water electrolysis electrolyte (which is a liquid conductor)) a portion of hydrogen is released and if this portion of hydrogen is burned/exploded, then an additional portion of heat is generated. This additional portion of heat we called outlet energy 2.
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3) Having in mind the above items 1 and 2 we can write down the inequality inlet energy < outlet energy 1 + outlet energy 2, which unambiguously shows that the sum of the two outlet energies is bigger than the inlet energy, that is, efficiency > 1. (And this is what we have discovered by our further development of Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solved problem.)
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Do you accept the validity of the above considerations? Seems to be easy for understanding, doesn't it?
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Looking for your answer.

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #321 on: August 29, 2020, 02:54:42 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #322 on: August 29, 2020, 03:07:07 PM »
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Hi smOky2,
Thank you for your reply.
You wrote:"The easiest solution would be for you to register as an energy producer." This last sentence sounds very good at first sight. But would you be a little more precise, please? What exactly to do? What could be the first step for example?
Looking forward to your answer.

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #323 on: August 29, 2020, 06:00:30 PM »
Hi.
Another source, this time German. only in Russian translation. I could not find English.
https://eknigi.org/engine/download.php?id=138928
We read from page 16.

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #323 on: August 29, 2020, 06:00:30 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #324 on: August 30, 2020, 03:50:25 PM »
Hi kolbacict,
Thank you for your reply.
But what exactly do you mean? What to read and where in this link? Which book do you mean exactly and what is written there on page 1?

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #325 on: August 30, 2020, 04:09:59 PM »
Not on page 1, but on page 16, sorry. What to read and where and in what language?

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #325 on: August 30, 2020, 04:09:59 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #326 on: September 01, 2020, 04:10:12 PM »
it is here.
wanted to translate, but there was no suitable program.

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #327 on: September 03, 2020, 07:23:30 PM »
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We found an expert in Russian who translated the text you had sent. But this text is full of incorrect assumptions and hypotheses. Who is the author of this text?

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #328 on: September 05, 2020, 12:39:56 PM »
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Who is the author of this text and the related book? What is the title of this book?

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #329 on: September 06, 2020, 07:00:00 PM »
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Who is the author of this text and the related book? What is the title of this book?
yes, that's it!
https://eknigi.org/engine/download.php?id=138928

 

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