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Author Topic: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1  (Read 35543 times)

Offline tinu

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #135 on: May 08, 2019, 12:16:25 PM »
To tinu.

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2) Secondly, we admit your superiority in the field of electric engineering. OK, you are right and we are wrong. What to argue about then? Please don't be angry with us and consider the COP > 1 heater as a part of the entertainment industry.
Take it easy and be happy! :D
Regards,
George
   
 

Oh George, you are so kind today! I'm deeply touched!

Now that you admit my superiority, I sense the deepest feeling of personal accomplishment like I've never felt in a long time... For that, I'll give you a great tip for free!
 

You see, in the western world, especially USA but Europe too, there is a great need for cooling. The heating requirements are not extremely high because almost all buildings are very energy efficient and winters are not so cold. Demand for heating will be lower in the future too, and I'm certain you're familiar with global warming and its effects.
 
So, while heating is not a bad deal, cooling is far, far superior as market value.
On the same time, H2 and O2 are quite cheaply and commonly available, as they are used in many industries, including the welding sector but also the entertainment industry you seem to appreciate.
Consider this: instead of running your electrolyzer for producing H2 and O2, why not running it  in reverse? Why not feeding it with H2 and O2 and have it working as an electric generator but, most importantly, as an extremely valuable cooler? A word of caution: not every electrolyzer can work in reverse but still, many advanced models shall work just fine. I'm not sure about COP>1 but maybe your lead researcher will dig into it. Think of it: produce electricity and cooling from cheap industrial H2 and O2 then maybe, if COP>1 use that electricity being produced to run you current electrolyzer in normal mode and maybe closing the loop? That would be fantastic, don't you think?! I mean, just think about: first electrolyzer feeds the second with electricity while the second, in return, feeds the first one with H2 and O2. And, as a bonus, you'll have free heating and cooling too and maybe some excess H2, O2 and electricity, depending on how large COP>1 will be! Well, what do you think?
 

Speaking of your lead researcher, what's his/her name?

I understand he/she has an invention that is for sale for 10 million dollars! Please invite him/her here to introduce himself/herself and his/her invention.

I'm sure he/ she will be more than welcome!


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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #136 on: May 08, 2019, 01:24:14 PM »
Hi tinu,
1) Your idea sounds great, but could you be more specific?
2) About our leading researchers. (They are more than one.) Now they are preparing an answer related to your rejection of their COP > 1 concept. And for the present they would not like to be in the public eye.
Regards,
George     

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #137 on: May 08, 2019, 02:03:49 PM »
 Hi George,

1. You have enough info for free, don't you think? Right now I'm on my annual leave and I'm sorry but my holiday is too expensive for expanding beyond that. I think I offered a generous tip already.
2. Oh, but a 10 million dollars invention is already out of anonymity! Multiple leading researchers? What a brilliant strategy! Yet, I'm only interested in the sole author of the invention to be sold. No offense but the rest are of no value to me. I insist you to introduce him/her here so we can have direct and unimpeded dialogue. An  username will suffice for now although you should know well that an inventor can't be anonymous, right? Sooner or later (and better sooner!) he/she shall take full credit for the great discovery!
Where are you from George? What country?

Regards!

 

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #138 on: May 09, 2019, 08:26:18 AM »
Hi tinu,
While waiting for our experts to to prepare their sophisticated answer I considered carefully your yesterday posts.
There is something false and incorrect in your calculations.
Please answer the 6 questions below.
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1) Vps = power supply voltage = 2 Volts. Is this correct?
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2) Ips = current flowing through the electrolyte = 1 Ampere. Is this correct?
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3) (Vps) x (Ips) = (2 Volts) x (1 Ampere) = 2 Watts = power, generated by the power supply. Is this correct?
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4) R = 0.77 Ohm = ohmic resistance of the electrolyte. Is this correct?
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5) Assume that Vps = 1 Volt. What will be in this case the value of Ips, that is, Ips = ? Ips = 0 Ampere?
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6) Assume that Vps = 1.23 Volts. What will be in this case the value of Ips, that is, Ips = ?
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Please answer the above 6 questions separately and clearly.
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Next questions will asked in my next post.
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George
   

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #139 on: May 09, 2019, 11:11:06 AM »
Hi tinu,
Where are you, old swindler? ;) Will you answer my 6 questions? Because you have to answer still more questions except these 6 ones.
Regards,
George

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #139 on: May 09, 2019, 11:11:06 AM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #140 on: May 09, 2019, 11:38:09 AM »
 Hi George,
 
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes, R=0.77 Ohm. This value is the equivalent resistance of liquid resistor DURING electrolysis only!
5. Vps=1V. No electrolysis is taking place. All power delivered by the power supply goes into Joule heating of electrolyte. Ips is unknown because R is unknown. In this regime R is not 0.77 Ohm but larger. Consequently, Ips=Vps/R. Surelly, 0<Ips<<1V/0.77Ohm. Ips can, of course, be easily measured.
6. Vps=1.23V. Still in Ohmic regime, while no electrolysis is taking place yet. All power delivered by the power supply goes into Joule heating of electrolyte. Ips is still unknown because R is unknown. Nonetheless, raising Vps further beyond 1.23V will start the electrolysis. This is a transient phenomenon, characterized by a relatively sharp increase in Ips because the equivalent resistance of liquid resistor (R) is dropping significantly due to an increase of ions concentration. However, it might be necessary to increase the voltage sufficiently high, until H2 and O2 will start forming bubbles, degassing out of the electrolyte and ensuring a stable regime for the electrodes. When full electrolysis kicks in, R is lowered to 0.77Ohm and Ips stabilizes at 1A.
 
Read carefully: I'm not here to answer your questions! Neither one of the members is. Now, having said that, the above small physics lesson is a favor I did for you. I won't do it again because on one hand, like I said, I'm on holiday and my vacation is rare and valuable and, on the other hand, this is basic knowledge and subject to bellow college-level class experiments. I'm well beyond that and you make me waste my time.
So, in conclusion:
(1). Please do your own experiments, publish the results here and then we can talk further, based on your actual data.
(2). Better yet, please bring in your leading scientist for further theoretical and practical discussions.
 
Again, please answer to the former question of mine:
(3). What is your formal training and expertise in the field?
(4). Where are you from?
 
We'll be hearing again when you fulfill (1)-(4).
In the meanwhile, please refrain yourself from posting invectives, fantasies and/or physical non-sense/absurdities, ok?


Regards.

 

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #141 on: May 09, 2019, 02:52:46 PM »
Hi tinu,
I am already absolutely clear on the fact that you are (a) either an arrogant and ambitious ignoramus, whose expertise in electric engineering is equal to zero, or (b) an unskillful and clumsy manipulator, who is an agent of the BIG OIL (or other similar organization) and who tries to convince us that black is white. I will not waste my time any more (as well as the time of my team's colleagues) to answer your nonsense posts.
George   

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #142 on: May 09, 2019, 04:05:55 PM »
Dear George1,I am very sorry but have to deny : I am not an expert in physics,  only an user.

I wish you fortune and success
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #143 on: May 10, 2019, 08:26:57 AM »
Hi lancaIV,
Thank you for wishing us fortune and success. And thank you for your good will and patience. I will keep you informed what happens.
Regards,
George

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #144 on: May 11, 2019, 11:11:40 AM »
Hey George1,
probably you and some team members read this works and results and discuss about it :

http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/
                                       ------------------------------------
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&FT=D#
                 Compensation of magnetical ( attraction,repulsion)force                     

                                      -------------------------------------

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20121011&CC=US&NR=2012256422A1&KC=A1#
                           Above       [ 0092,0093,0094]. related :
For example : when a nominal 1000 W and 1000 RPM generator  by100 RPM only generates 1W,           

       100 RPM to 1000 RPM :                   ten times higher velocity ~ thousand times more power

             how many Watts consumes a coupled motor to achieve this 100 RPM ?!
   A. Continuous DC power motor B. Fractional AC pulse power motor

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #145 on: May 11, 2019, 12:42:06 PM »
Hey lancaIV,
Thank you for your reply.
Welcome to our team of inventors-enthusiasts!
Your last post is very, very interesting! Please give us some time to consider it carefully! (Part of your last post's information was as if considered in some previous posts on this topic but I am not sure. I'll check this.)
I will write to you in the nearest future.
Regards,
George

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #146 on: May 11, 2019, 01:03:23 PM »
Hey again lancaIV,
And what about the link below?
https://overunity.com/16302/hho-as-real-uo-system/msg469903/#msg469903
Seems to be interesting and workable?
(Title "HHO as a real UO system", author John.K1, December 31, 2015. I wrote to this man many times, but he did not answer me.)
What do you think? What is your opinion about his suggestion?
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #147 on: May 11, 2019, 01:31:46 PM »
George1,
 without to be or wishing to become member of your team :
the John.K1 idea is for me to " huge designed", probably usefull in mountains zones, beginning with 2000 and more meters the basic station and several hundreds or thousands meters higher by tubes the conversion station.
In small :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19760115&CC=DE&NR=2429086A1&KC=A1#





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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #148 on: May 11, 2019, 01:43:57 PM »
Hi lancaIV,
Yes, an obvious disadvantage of John.K1's idea is that it is a "huge designed". Let us concentrate again then on the "small designed". We started considering already your penultimate post. Very interesting! I will write to you in the nearest future.
Regards,
George

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #149 on: May 11, 2019, 02:15:30 PM »
What is invention ?
Invention is design of improvement and new technical standart or utility.
Free design :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=2013011125A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20130110&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
[0010] water heat function

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https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19920714&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
Ohms law is guilty ,4 Watt from 100 Watt guilty , pulse duration= law duration : fractional second !
J/s to J/ fractional second= J/pulse duration or J/signal
       

 

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