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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #525 on: March 08, 2021, 02:57:22 PM »
Deep silence again? :) What happens here? No brave members in this forum, it's evident. :)   

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #526 on: March 09, 2021, 02:46:35 PM »
Please look again at our post of March 05, 2021, 02:25:15 PM. A copy of this post is given below.
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The text below can be found in many of our previous posts. Anyway let us repeat it again.
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Have a look again at the book "Solved Problems in Physics", 2004, Volume 2, p. 876, solved problem 12.97. The author of this book is Prof. S. L. Srivastava (Ph.D.)
The same book can be found at the link https://books.google.bg/books?id=rrKFzLB9KQ8C&pg=PA876&lpg=PA876&dq=%22electrochemical+equivalent+of+hydrogen%22&source=bl&ots=tQ8PSMLet3&sig=ACfU3U2HOLB78XHl2o3q-JanapzSK-McJA&hl=bg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjDpp2-zZXhAhWT5OAKHUfuBzUQ6AEwBHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22electrochemical%20equivalent%20of%20hydrogen%22&f=false
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For your convenience I am giving below the text of the problem and its solution.
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12.97. In the electrolysis of sulphuric acid solution, 100 mg of hydrogen is liberated in a period of 20 minutes. The resistance of the electrolyte is 0.5 Ohm. Calculate the power consumed. Electrochemical equivalent of hydrogen is 1.044 x 10 -8 kg/C.
Solution: The power consumed is equal to 31.86 W.
Prof. S. L. Srivastava stops here his calculations.
(The related solution's set of equations is not given here in order to save time and space. This set of equations however can be found in the book or in the link above.)
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WE DEVELOPED FURTHER PROF. SRIVASTAVA'S SOLVED PROBLEM IN A NON-STANDARD MANNER.
OUR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF PROF. SRIVASTAVA'S SOLVED PROBLEM LED TO COP > 1.
HERE IS THE ESSENCE OF OUR APPROACH.
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1) Let us calculate the inlet energy, that is, inlet energy = (31.86 W) x (1200 s) = 38232 Ws = 38232 J.
2) Let us calculate the current I. The current I is given by I = (m)/(Z x t) = 7.9 A,
where
m = 0.0001kg of hydrogen
Z = electrochemical equivalent of hydrogen
t = 1200 s
3) The Joule's heat, generated in the process of electrolysis is given by
Q = I x I x R x t = (7.9 A) x (7.9 A) x (0.5 Ohm) x (1200 s) = 37446 J = outlet energy 1.
4) HHV of hydrogen is 142 000 000 J/kg. Therefore the heat H, generated by burning/exploding of 0.0001 kg of hydrogen, is given by
H = (142 000 000) x (0.0001) = 14200 J = outlet energy 2.
5) Therefore we can write down the equalities:
5A) outlet energy 1 + outlet energy 2 = 37446 J + 14200 J = 51646 J
5B) inlet energy = 38232 J.
6) Therefore COP is given by
COP = 51646 J/38232 J = 1.35 <=> COP = 1.35 <=> COP > 1.
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IMPORTANT NOTE. Constant pure water and cooling agent supply could keep constant the electrolyte's temperature, heat exchange, mass and ohmic resistance, respectively. Besides 0.0001 kg of hydrogen (and the related amount of the already split pure water) is small enough and can be neglected as a factor influencing the electrolyte's temperature, mass and ohmic resisitance.
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And one more interesting fact.
Literally the same solved problem can be found in an old Russian (still from the Soviet times) book "Сборник задач и вопросов по физике", 1986, p. 130, solved example problem 71. The authors of this book are Р. А. Гладкова and Н. И. Кутиловская. In the Russian version the data is a little different, that is, time is 25 minutes, the amount of generated hydrogen is 150 mg, Ohmic resisitance is 0.4 Ohm and the calculated power is 37 W.
Russians also stopped their calculations at 37 W.
Our further development of the Russian version led to COP = 1.37, that is, we have again COP > 1.
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #527 on: March 09, 2021, 02:49:55 PM »
1) We (our team) have created 11 (eleven) technology breakthroughs.
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2) Two of the above mentioned 11 technology breakthroughs (entitled "IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1", respectively) are released freely here in this forum.
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3) Our third technology breakthrough is an entirely new and revolutionary electric technology, which increases many times (twice as a minimum and more than 15 (fifteen) times as a maximum) the capacity of any standard electric battery.
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4) As a next step we would like to sell our third technology breakthrough and/or to enter a certain kind of collaboration of mutual benefit for production of our third technology breakthrough on a large industrial scale.   

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #527 on: March 09, 2021, 02:49:55 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #528 on: March 09, 2021, 03:15:25 PM »
https://www.ideaconnection.com/


Do there your offer :


3) Our third technology breakthrough is an entirely new and revolutionary electric technology, which increases many times (twice as a minimum and more than 15 (fifteen) times as a maximum) the capacity of any standard electric battery




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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #529 on: March 10, 2021, 01:28:51 PM »
LET US PUSH FORWARD TOGETHER THE TECHNOLOGY PROGRESS!
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1) We (our team) have created 11 (eleven) technology breakthroughs.
------------------------------
2) Two of the above mentioned 11 technology breakthroughs (entitled "IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1", respectively) are released freely here in this forum.
------------------------------
3) Our third technology breakthrough is an entirely new and revolutionary electric technology, which increases many times (twice as a minimum and more than 15 (fifteen) times as a maximum) the capacity of any standard electric battery.
------------------------------
4) Our third technology breakthrough is experimentally proved. Our third technology breakthrough has a working prototype
(accompanied by a detailed description of its principle of operation).
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5) We would like either (a) to sell our third technology breakthrough only once or (b) to enter a suitable kind of collaboration of mutual benefit for production of our third technology breakthrough on a large industrial scale.
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LET US PUSH FORWARD TOGETHER THE TECHNOLOGY PROGRESS!

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #529 on: March 10, 2021, 01:28:51 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #530 on: March 10, 2021, 01:36:21 PM »
To lancaIV.
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1) You wrote:"Prediction example : 24 Volt x rated 85 Amp-h  + your/group  device/technique : 24 Volt x [ rated 85 Amp-h x (2-15)]". Yes, that's it.
2) Please have a look at our last post. It is slightly modified (if compared to the post before our last post).
3) Please give me some time to consider carefully your last post. I will write to you in the nearest future.
Regards,
 

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #531 on: March 11, 2021, 01:10:05 PM »
1) We (our team) have created 11 (eleven) technology breakthroughs.
------------------------------
2) Two of the above mentioned 11 technology breakthroughs (entitled "IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1", respectively) are released freely here in this forum.
------------------------------
3) Our third technology breakthrough is an entirely new and revolutionary electric technology, which increases many times (twice as a minimum and more than 15 (fifteen) times as a maximum) the capacity of any standard electric battery.
------------------------------
4) Our third technology breakthrough is experimentally proved. Our third technology breakthrough has a working prototype
(accompanied by a detailed description of its principle of operation).
------------------------------
5) Our third technology breakthrough is not patented. Instead we would like to sell our third technology breakthrough as a trade secret and/or to enter a suitable kind of collaboration of mutual benefit for production of our third technology breakthrough on a large industrial scale.
------------------------------
6) Contact email address: randdgroup34@gmail.com.



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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #532 on: March 11, 2021, 01:20:25 PM »
To lancaIV.
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This IdeaConnection link seems to be very interesting and useful. Thank you for sending it. Keep considering it. I'll write to you in the nearest future. (And welcome to our team! :) (Not pressing, only suggesting. :)))

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #533 on: March 11, 2021, 05:41:14 PM »
What me as "industrial investor " would interest :






Most important points as question:  a. Why this spread : 2x up tp to 15 times ?  Physical arguments !

                                                    lead     battery   80 Wh/Kg       to 160Wh/Kg-1200 Wh/kg ?


                                                    lithium battery 200 Wh/Kg       to 400 Wh/Kg - 3000 Wh/Kg ?




                                                    b. The battery life in charge cycles ,comparison with/and without device ? Shorter,same ?

                                                    f.e.  lead carbon battery 1500 charge cycles x conventional Wh / improved Wh !?



                                                    From this amplified capacity : possible " Deep of Discharge,DoD"  ?




https://www.mkbattery.com/blog/marine-batteries-deep-cycle-or-cranking


                                                    CRANKING BATTERIES


In order to get the burst of power needed to start an engine, a cranking battery needs to deliver a large current for a short amount of time--often 75-400 amps for anywhere between 5 and 15 seconds, depending on the boat’s engine. Lead acid cranking batteries have more numerous, thinner lead plates than a deep cycle battery. This increased surface area allows for the flow of higher amps through the battery. However, if cranking batteries are frequently discharged to the same level as deep cycle batteries (which would happen if you also use cranking batteries for trolling and keeping systems going throughout the day), their lifespan is greatly reduced.

                                                      DEEP CYCLE BATTERIES


Deep cycle batteries are made to be able to frequently discharge and recharge. They’re also built to give a lower amount of energy for a longer period of time. With thicker lead plates and reduced surface area, they’re sturdy and made to discharge down to 20% regularly. Deep cycle batteries are great for the many energy needs of your boat after you’ve already started it, including navigation, lights, music, radar, etc. However, if they’re asked to provide the starting charge for an engine, they won’t always perform. It will depend on the battery's cranking amps rating (or the cold cranking amps), which is usually fairly low for deep cycle batteries.


 Idea,          patent/utility model  : working out 


Hundreds of batteries experimenting/partial : destroying to search for physical limits ,thousands of tests :

 lab work for save and repeatable results !

+/- five years up to ten years before market entree


Lab R&D and ready to commerce and selling : Sony ( and other ) battery disaster !


https://www.google.com/search?q=sony+battery+accidents&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&oq=sony+battery+accidents&aqs=chrome..69i57.8336j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8






Actually the preview are 500+ Wh/Kg batteries,also improveable ?


https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/650_whkg_1400_whl_recharg_batt_new_era_elect_mobility_ymikhaylik_0.pdf






We do not know if such kind of battery is in labs actually in R&D work ,with such potential :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021231&CC=US&NR=6501093B1&KC=B1




 GOALS FOR ADVANCED BATTERIES AND ENSOR (TM).
  Time Frame  1992  1994  2000  1998 


Type of  Lead Acid  Na-S-Ni  Li Polymer  ENSOR


  Battery     Hydride  Li-Al-FeS2




kw hrs/kg
  .025-.040  .080-.100  .200  15          means 15 000 Wh/Kg

                                                                     compared 12 900 Wh/Kg gasoline (petrol)
 
 Range Miles   40-100  150-200  300  600


 Recharge  6-8  <6  3-6  3-6  Time hrs 




Life yrs  3-5   5  10  >15


  Cost  $/kw hr/kg  $120-125   <$40-150   <$100  <$25.







Lower cost capacitor production   https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=13385       for     http://ultrabattery.com/technology/ultrabattery-performance-benefits/



Popularizing hybrid vehicle that cooperating battery and ICE is more promising than EV; The technology of hybrid vehicle is matured, fuel saving can attained 40%, Toyota hybrid cars Prius had been produced ten millions in last two decades. Hybrid vehicles mainly utilize nickel hydride batteries, storing energy is several ten times fewer than that of pure EV, without necessity of charging pile in addition; However, the high cost and short life of battery are still the bottlenecks for its popularization; Nowadays the price of a battery pack of Prius is $3000 USD, customers demand working life of battery over ten years, but Toyota can only provide eight years guarantee of working. Such price and working life have reached the limitation for nickel hydride battery, it still cannot be popularized.


Ultrabattery : the (here: lead-)battery with your device improving/improveable ?








The market beside electric mobility clearly home and industry battery banks !


 Renewable energy surplus production (negative price ) storage !





Some coming improvements electricity storage related :


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carmart.ch%2Fumwelt%2Fpreise-fuer-batterien-von-elektroautos-fallen-massiv-in-10-jahren-90%2F


https://aluminiuminsider.com/chinese-researchers-develop-aluminium-graphene-battery-charges-seconds/


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321850509_Ultrafast_all-climate_aluminum-graphene_battery_with_quarter-million_cycle_life


https://www.google.com/search?q=biosolar+50000+cycles&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
« Last Edit: March 11, 2021, 08:04:12 PM by lancaIV »

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #533 on: March 11, 2021, 05:41:14 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #534 on: March 12, 2021, 12:22:38 PM »

In the 90´the industrial production prices,now : 2021 ? :



kw hrs/kg              .025-.040       .080-.100           .200           15


Cost  $/kw hr/kg    $120-125       <$40-150        <$100        <$25.



For each Kg battery production price


+-                        $ 3-4                $ 4- 19           $500     


 


Another End90´ R&D device :


http://www.bticcs.com/    a battery charger with battery life improvement : up to 5 times,for example 1000 to 5000 charge cycles


                                                                                                             + fast(er) charging time




The industry works often with 900% and more production-endconsumer price margin calculation !




How much is the "capacity improver" production costs estimation ?


A device for the industrial process or as equipment to couple to the battery/-bank ?






Who is interested ,as VC or industrial investor,in battery/improver technology ,an example :


 monetary backpacker from Aquion 1


Aquion declared bankruptcy in March after raising a total of $190 million in venture capital and debt


 from investors including


Bill Gates, Gentry Venture Partners, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, Foundation Capital, Bright Capital, Advanced Technology Ventures, Trinity Capital Investment and CapX Partners, Yung’s Enterprise, and Nick and Joby Pritzker.






 and Aquion 2




https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&ei=HlNLYMX4MJGjUPKBksAG&q=salt+water+battery+aquion&oq=water+battery+aquion&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIGCAAQFhAeOgoILhCwAxBDEJMCOgcIABCwAxBDOgcILhCwAxBDOgQIABATOggIABAWEB4QEzoICAAQCBANEB5QroQBWLuZAWC4qAFoAXACeACAAXqIAeMGkgEDMS43mAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBCsABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz



George1,I am not an "industrial investor" !


I only show you some points which you should have in your "to do-list" before knocking on VC or industrial companies their doors !


And often they,the VC partners by themself ,are not technologic up to date,but have their network to and with  many Universities or companies global and will do strategical questions which will have in-situ become answered !


Question/answer competition !




And they also work with service providers whose are observing  in detective manner "search machine" inputs related guies like "George1" or other and to complete a person (team) psychologic/competence  profile ( similar curriculum vitae ) !




Look here ,a little more professionell performance exposition :






https://adgex.com/


R&D began 2007,we have now 2021  https://adgex.com/energyBRICK    energyBRICK Timeline

https://adgex.com/EnergyBrick/Complex  https://adgex.com/EnergyBrick/Unit


 25 000 charge cycles




I worked with my father (R.I.P.) in his M&A trials and consultance ! I.N.S.E.A.D./Fontainebleau  -MBA old school knowledge inside !

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #535 on: March 12, 2021, 01:40:20 PM »
To lancaIV.
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Hi lancaIV,
Welcome to our team! :)
1) Thanks a lot for your last post. It contains extremely valuable information and straight-to-the-focus-directing questions and thoughts.
Please give me some time to consider your last post carefully. (By the way as if you have the ability and the gift to be an industrial manager. :))
2) We modified slightly the text of our previous post. Please look at item 6 of our next post. Some recommendations/instructions?
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards, 
 

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #535 on: March 12, 2021, 01:40:20 PM »
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #536 on: March 12, 2021, 01:42:51 PM »
LET US PUSH FORWARD TOGETHER THE TECHNOLOGY PROGRESS!
=================
1) We (our team) have created 11 (eleven) technology breakthroughs.
------------------------------
2) Two of the above mentioned 11 technology breakthroughs (entitled "IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1", respectively) are released freely here in this forum.
------------------------------
3) Our third technology breakthrough is an entirely new and revolutionary electric technology, which increases many times (twice as a minimum and more than 15 (fifteen) times as a maximum) the capacity of any standard electric battery.
------------------------------
4) Our third technology breakthrough is experimentally proved. Our third technology breakthrough has a working prototype
(accompanied by a detailed description of its principle of operation).
------------------------------
5) Our third technology breakthrough is not patented. Instead we would like to sell our third technology breakthrough as a trade secret and/or to enter a suitable kind of collaboration of mutual benefit for production of our third technology breakthrough on a large industrial scale.
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6) Besides we would like to enter a suitable kind of collaboration of mutual benefit for a practical realization and for an industrial production on a large industrial scale of our first two pieces of theoretical research, (a) which are entitled "IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1" and (b) which are released freely here in this forum.
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7) Contact email address: randdgroup34@gmail.com.
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LET US PUSH FORWARD TOGETHER THE TECHNOLOGY PROGRESS!

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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #537 on: March 12, 2021, 02:24:41 PM »
The text below is a slightly modified, shortened and more precise version of our post of March 09, 2021, 02:46:35 PM.
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Have a look again at the book "Solved Problems in Physics", 2004, Volume 2, p. 876, solved problem 12.97. The author of this book is Prof. S. L. Srivastava (Ph.D.)
The same book can be found at the link https://books.google.bg/books?id=rrKFzLB9KQ8C&pg=PA876&lpg=PA876&dq=%22electrochemical+equivalent+of+hydrogen%22&source=bl&ots=tQ8PSMLet3&sig=ACfU3U2HOLB78XHl2o3q-JanapzSK-McJA&hl=bg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjDpp2-zZXhAhWT5OAKHUfuBzUQ6AEwBHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22electrochemical%20equivalent%20of%20hydrogen%22&f=false
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For your convenience I am giving below the text of the problem and its solution.
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12.97. In the electrolysis of sulphuric acid solution, 100 mg of hydrogen is liberated in a period of 20 minutes. The resistance of the electrolyte is 0.5 Ohm. Calculate the power consumed. Electrochemical equivalent of hydrogen is 1.044 x 10 -8 kg/C.
SOLUTION.
Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solution is given below.
Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solution consists of two lines only.
LINE 1. Current through the electrolyte is given by I = (m)/(Z x t).
LINE 2. Power consumed = (I) x (I) x (R) =  ((m)/(Z x t)) x ((m)/(Z x t)) x (R) = 31.86 W.
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Prof. S. L. Srivastava stops here his calculations.
(The related solution's set of equations is not given here in order to save time and space. This set of equations however can be found in the book or in the link above.)
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WE DEVELOPED FURTHER PROF. SRIVASTAVA'S SOLVED PROBLEM IN A NON-STANDARD MANNER.
OUR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF PROF. SRIVASTAVA'S SOLVED PROBLEM LED TO COP > 1.
HERE IS THE ESSENCE OF OUR APPROACH.
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1) Let us calculate the inlet energy, that is, inlet energy = (31.86 W) x (1200 s) = 38232 Ws = 38232 J.
2) The Joule's heat, generated in the process of electrolysis is given by
Q = (I) x (I) x (R) x (t) =  ((m)/(Z x t)) x ((m)/(Z x t)) x (R) x (t) = (31.86 W) x (1200 s) = 38232 Ws = 38232 J = outlet energy 1.
3) HHV of hydrogen is 142 000 000 J/kg. Therefore the heat H, generated by burning/exploding of 0.0001 kg of hydrogen, is given by
H = (HHV) x (m) = (142 000 000) x (0.0001) = 14200 J = outlet energy 2,
where
m = mass of the released hydrogen
HHV = higher heating value oh hydrogen
4) Therefore we can write down the equalities:
4A) outlet energy 1 + outlet energy 2 = 38232 J + 14200 J = 52432 J
4B) inlet energy = 38232 J.
5) Therefore COP is given by
COP = 52432 J/38232 J = 1.37 <=> COP = 1.37 <=> COP > 1.
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IMPORTANT NOTE. Constant pure water and cooling agent supply could keep constant the electrolyte's temperature, heat exchange, mass and ohmic resistance, respectively. Besides 0.0001 kg of hydrogen (and the related amount of the already split pure water) is small enough and can be neglected as a factor influencing the electrolyte's temperature, mass and ohmic resisitance.
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And one more interesting fact.
Literally the same solved problem can be found in an old Russian (still from the Soviet times) book "Сборник задач и вопросов по физике", 1986, p. 130, solved example problem 71. The authors of this book are Р. А. Гладкова and Н. И. Кутиловская. In the Russian version the data is a little different, that is, time is 25 minutes, the amount of generated hydrogen is 150 mg, Ohmic resisitance is 0.4 Ohm and the calculated power is 37 W.
Russians also stopped their calculations at 37 W.
Our further development of the Russian version led to the same COP = 1.37, that is, we have again the same COP > 1.



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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #538 on: March 13, 2021, 11:51:01 AM »
kk So "you" want 20 times overunity HHO.. here it is….
 
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Re: A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1
« Reply #539 on: March 13, 2021, 02:58:25 PM »
It is not the C.O.P. number which imports !


Yes,it is the hydrogen production price and gram(m) per minute/second process time and hydrogen purity !




What happens here ,water (mainly hydrogen + oxygen ) + tab substance


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4X2h6YTv80


next factor : temperature


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbrP8q9lYA


next factor : active area


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWN8xVuzuFI






 active material in use :

water + palladium/platin/silver or chem-alloy ?


 grain = active surface per gram,powder = active surface per gram ,nano-powder = active surface per gram




water in movement / electrolyt in movement     ( s/whirl,centrifuge)

 

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