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Author Topic: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.  (Read 32870 times)

magnetman12003

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #90 on: February 02, 2019, 01:25:31 AM »
Ok never giving upon this idea.  Take a total of 4 longboard skate wheels with all ceramic bearings in them.
Mount a pair of them horizontally on a non ferrous shaft.  Do the same  for the other pair.  Spread the pair apart about 1/2 inch or so and fix one end of each shaft to a horizontal support which will allow the wheels to free rotate close to each other.


Now place a 4 inch diameter, 5 inch long, section of pvc pipe on top of both sets of free turning skate wheels.
You guessed it- now place a 3 inch long, 1 inch diameter alnico or neo magnet covered in a silicon pipe
Inside the 4 inch diameter pipe.


Bringing a external magnet near it will cause the silicon pipe magnet inside the 4 inch pipe to roll the other way in repel.  But since the 4 inch pipe is on free roller bed composed of free rotating skate wheels under it- it will roll in a fixed spot.  No axle needed at all.


If you take just a 5 inch long 4 inch diameter pipe and place the above magnet inside it it will roll freely the other way on a ground floor when a external hand held magnet is placed close in repel.  The same holds true for the above??
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Belfior

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #91 on: February 02, 2019, 10:56:21 AM »
I think people can ruin a good idea very fast, if they do not try to minimize the negatives.

Why use bearings? Use magnetic bearings if you have to
Do you actually need to rotate a physical thing? How much friction and air friction is that physical thing going to suffer? How about rotating the field instead?
Is the rotation accelerating all the time or just trying to go one speed?
Are you using all the known parameters or forces that can aid your rotor movement? Lorentz force, asymmetric cap force etc
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skywatcher

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #92 on: February 02, 2019, 07:31:51 PM »
If the idea in principle would work (which it does not) there should be a significant force and torque, so there would be no need for special bearings etc.

It's always the same: if something doesn't work, someone comes and says 'you did something wrong'.
But in most cases it's the idea itself, which doesn't work... not the implementation.
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magnetman12003

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #93 on: February 03, 2019, 05:24:33 PM »
I already had the magnet inside the 4 inch diameter pipe rolling in repel on the floor.   If you hold the pipe with magnet inside steady and bring the external magnet very close you can feel a considerable force the opposite way in repel.  So what's the difference if rolling on top of a skate wheel setup in one spot while the the external magnet is very close to it??
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skywatcher

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« Reply #94 on: February 03, 2019, 09:18:43 PM »
If you have the free-rolling tube on the floor and you approach it with a magnet, it will roll away, and you have to follow it:  Force x displacement = energy.  If it is fixed you only have force but no displacement, so you have no energy. That's why it doesn't work.
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magnetman12003

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« Reply #95 on: February 04, 2019, 02:21:34 AM »
By placing the 4 inch pipe with magnet inside on top of the skate wheel bed it will "" ROLL"" in one spot now and that's the displacement.  You don't have to follow it with the external magnet anymore. That magnet in repel near the setup now supplies the force.  That's all energy.
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magnetman12003

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« Reply #96 on: February 06, 2019, 03:15:30 AM »
Will post corrected photo later.
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magnetman12003

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« Reply #97 on: February 06, 2019, 10:55:57 PM »
The 3 inch long internal magnet is at its upper limits repeled away from the external magnet.
So now it's weight is resting on the left side of the 4 inch diameter pipe.


That sets up a imbalanced condition where the left heavy side of the pipe rolls downwards.
The internal magnet just rolls in place on the surface of the pipes insides.


Any amount of all ceramic skate bearings can be used to support the pipe in a horizontal position.
I stated 4 each on both sides but more can be used.  The ceramic bearings are the best to use as they are not magnetic.
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« Reply #98 on: February 07, 2019, 12:11:49 AM »
Always the same wrong reasoning... there can be no permanent imbalance.

Every imbalance of forces causes motion, but the motion stops as soon as the balance is restored.
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« Reply #99 on: February 07, 2019, 04:05:24 AM »
The only thing the external magnet does is raise up by repel the internal magnet to its highest elevation.
That's all.  Since the 4 inch drum is round inside the internal magnet must fall one way or another to the drums inside wall.  At its highest limit it rests its weight in one spot on the walls inside.


Now the drum is heavy on that side and rotates downward all the time as the internal magnet is not going anywhere.  The internal magnet is free to turn with the drum however.
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magnetman12003

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« Reply #100 on: February 07, 2019, 10:03:47 PM »
It also would be nice to have a geared track around the inside of the 4 inch pipe as well as a geared track around the internal rod magnet.  Why?  So the internal rod magnet does not slip sideways during repel movement which can easily happen even covered with a silicon pipe.


Does anyone know of a company that sells thin flexible plastic gear tracks other than using heavy automobile timing belts cut to length?
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« Reply #101 on: February 07, 2019, 10:50:26 PM »
Quote from: magnetman12003 on February 07, 2019, 10:03:47 PM
It also would be nice to have a geared track around the inside of the 4 inch pipe as well as a geared track around the internal rod magnet.  Why?  So the internal rod magnet does not slip sideways during repel movement which can easily happen even covered with a silicon pipe.


Does anyone know of a company that sells thin flexible plastic gear tracks other than using heavy automobile timing belts cut to length?
This could be easily 3D-printed. But it will not work anyway...   ::)
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« Reply #102 on: February 10, 2019, 12:26:26 AM »
A long time ago Robert Calloway published  The Hamster Cage Magnetic Motor.  06/19/01
He described how to make it in detail.  Had it running for a short while until the rod magnets in repel hung up.  Possibly someone can come up with improvements on that design??   All that's needed is 4 rod magnets, a cylinder, center shaft, and some other non magnetic components.
Simple build but need much patience to get it going.
Click: Robert Calloway. Hamster Cage Magnetic Motor, Keelynet  and that should take you to his motor idea
That actually worked in repel for a short time.
Who might find all this interesting today?
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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #103 on: February 10, 2019, 06:28:49 PM »
Quote from: magnetman12003 on February 10, 2019, 12:26:26 AM
A long time ago Robert Calloway published  The Hamster Cage Magnetic Motor.  06/19/01
He described how to make it in detail.  Had it running for a short while until the rod magnets in repel hung up.  Possibly someone can come up with improvements on that design??   All that's needed is 4 rod magnets, a cylinder, center shaft, and some other non magnetic components.
Simple build but need much patience to get it going.
Click: Robert Calloway. Hamster Cage Magnetic Motor, Keelynet  and that should take you to his motor idea
That actually worked in repel for a short time.
Who might find all this interesting today?


Or follow this link:http://freeenergy2000.tripod.com/hamstercagerotor.htm[/color][/font]

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magnetman12003

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #104 on: February 11, 2019, 05:24:05 AM »
Click:  "MAGNET TRACK MOTOR"   A You Tube video.

it might take a little doing but it should work.  Bending iron rods is not easy. You might even use iron powder in some sort of very thick paste arranged as rods also. Stainless steel powder wont work.
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