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Author Topic: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.  (Read 32885 times)

eavogels

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2019, 12:03:12 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8-Kek8Halc

Perhaps this video explains about how it works. Not exactly the same, but close enough.
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ramset

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2019, 03:05:50 PM »
VEproject1's video above ...he does make believe devices for teaching purposes! [he sure does a good job,looks real as always]

Just a repost of Tom's claim
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A very powerful long rod external magnet is hand held or mounted close to the outside drums center. That in turn repels the inside magnet drum ring to the opposite side. With a horizontal center axle going through the outside drum the inside magnet ring should not touch it.   A very small black spot in the center is where the center axle was drilled open for later. The inside magnet ring floats around and normally centers itself at the bottom of the external Drum when the external magnet is not present. However when repelled or pushed to one side of the center axle gravity takes over and the inside magnet wheel rotates along with the external drum providing there is excellent friction between both of them.     I have used silicon tape for that purpose.   Very simple to construct. Red ends of magnets are my north poles.  Other side are south poles marked blue not shown. Tom..

..also this quote from Tom..

It was hand held.  See no reason fixed will not work.
Attraction is out!!! The only thing that will happen is very quickly the inner magnet wheel will jump towards the external magnet and PIN itself to the internal sides of the drum enclosure without the drum rolling at all.  So NO ATTRACTION to be used.


It has not happened to me but if to much repell is used I guess the same pinning thing might happen on the opposite side of the drum even if that side is very heavy.-..
The fixed magnet is being hand held on the ""OUTSIDE ""of the drum??  Inside the drum is the magnet wheel.  I did not realize I did not make that point clear enough??  Two bearings are used.  One for the drum axle bottom and one for the removable lid axle so the magnet wheel can be removed.
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eavogels

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2019, 03:28:04 PM »
Quote from: ramset on January 15, 2019, 03:05:50 PM
The fixed magnet is being hand held on the ""OUTSIDE ""of the drum?? 


Tom writes: outside of the center. I think he means inside the drum, off-center.
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ramset

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2019, 03:45:27 PM »
In Skywatcher CGI post #32 this thread ,Tom makes a correction about the inside drum needing to be bigger and also emphasize the outside polarity//
Tom ....Quote..The magnet wheel in your diagram needs to be made much larger so it always clears the central axle of the Drum when the magnet wheel rotates or floats around.


The external magnet has to have polaritys reversed so it repels.


I hope this clears things up.


Tom ....end quote..,
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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2019, 06:21:49 PM »
Quote from: gyulasun on January 15, 2019, 12:35:10 AM
Hi Tom,
I kindly ask you to repeat the test (when you have the time) with a rigidly fixed magnet too because
a hand held magnet always include hand movement, whatever small it may be.  When your fingers have to
work against repel forces while holding the magnet, unwanted and mostly unnoticed finger  or hand movements
can add  "input energy"  to the system. 
The rigidly fixed magnet test should be done even if only the mere presence of the repel field is needed for the continuous operation 
i.e. only a non-moving, static field is needed at one of the sides of the outer drum.
Gyula

i agree, Gyula - this project has a sense of deja vu for me - i'm pretty sure that there's been at least 1 other system like this which works well when external mag is hand held but stops when the external mag is fixed ('Whip-Mag', maybe?)

i think they found that because of what folks have said about slight movement when holding 1 mag near others then the hand movement is part of the system - theres a sort of phase-delay in the hand movement - as you try to keep the ext mag still, you compensate slightly and inadvertantly add some external energy, slightly out of phase with rotor and the whole thing keeps going, but when ext mag is fixed, no phase-delayed input, & rotation stops

i hope this isn't true of this system but be prepared for disappointment...

all the best
np
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magnetman12003

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2019, 07:15:42 PM »
I hope others can replicate this setup as I have given more than enough information as to how to make the motor so the cat is out of the bag now.
All angel donations- if any - later should go directly to the Saint Jude Children's hospital charity.
I don't wish for anything and have received nothing presently. I am under pressure to cease what I am doing. All further E mails will go unanswered.
I won't be talking any further about this particular motor and the model I have is in pieces presently so there will be No demonstration later in February.  I plan to live a quiete lifes style in my remaining years. I have not been bought out!!!
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memoryman

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2019, 07:30:49 PM »
"I have not been bought out" neither have you DEMONSTRATED anything.
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magnetman12003

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2019, 07:59:33 PM »
THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG NOW!!
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seychelles

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2019, 08:07:08 PM »
SO WHO LET THE DOG OUT AND NOW THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG..

MEEEEOOOW...
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skywatcher

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2019, 08:37:02 PM »
Quote from: magnetman12003 on January 15, 2019, 07:15:42 PM
I hope others can replicate this setup as I have given more than enough information as to how to make the motor so the cat is out of the bag now.

Although i'm still skeptical i will try to get it running... just for fun. I hope it will work, but i don't expect very much.
My 3D printer is currently printing the first parts... maybe next weekend i will post my results.
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Temporal Visitor

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2019, 02:27:50 PM »
Quote from: memoryman on January 15, 2019, 07:30:49 PM
"I have not been bought out" neither have you DEMONSTRATED anything.

While not necessarily GIVING YOU what YOU WANT he most certainly has demonstrated several important things.

He has demonstrated that he actually built something upon which others could learn from IF they have the WILL to do so.
He has demonstrated that he FOUND his WILL to forgo self enrichment to help others with the result of his valuable ENERGY/WORK efforts.
He has demonstrated that he has hope, love and care for others besides his own personal WANTS and desires by his
selfless ACT OF GIVING.

That is quite a demonstration even though you might deny it.

"No you can't always get
What you want
But if you try sometimes
Well you might find
You get what you need"
https://youtu.be/9DKhG6NA1Qc?t=98

Have hope, give it a try .... it WORKS.
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ramset

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2019, 03:28:10 PM »
Mike..Happy new year and exactly what I was thinking regardless the outcome [Tom believes and gives freely]and wants any funds to go to the needy !!


and here a link from Lanca posted By floor in his magnet experiment thread

Twice the power density of neo's at zilch cost ,,,plus Green [planet friendly 2018 patent
http://license.umn.edu/technologies/20120016_iron-nitride-permanent-magnet-alternative-to-rare-earth-and-neodymium-magnets
respectfully...
Chet..Ps..will give you a ring later..been thinking about you.
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skywatcher

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2019, 09:39:24 PM »
This is the rotor.  :)

d = 140 mm,  h = 60 mm,  16 magnets 12x60 mm  N38
Weight is about 900g (most of it comes from the magnets).

The magnetic field of the rotor feels almost like the field of a single magnet, there are absolutely no 'ripples' whatsoever.
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memoryman

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2019, 09:55:18 PM »
Temporal Visitor: Still lurking here, I see.
Typically the magnetic ENERGY in a permanent magnet is very small (Joules) and the process of creating a permanent magnet is inefficient (~50 %?)
If you want to educate yourself (although I have seen no evidence of that):
http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magenergy.htm
So this contraption is also relegated to the large mountain of non-working FE devices.
Have fun playing with it though.
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Mem

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #59 on: January 17, 2019, 06:47:09 AM »
Over all this idea quite similar to this (the url didn't work, so I'll re do it below)
except free rotating part/rotor is larger.
However having the rotor in smaller size will increase the output toque and it fells like it may even go faster or maybe?

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