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Author Topic: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.  (Read 10735 times)

Offline skywatcher

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2019, 07:39:13 PM »
To sum it up folks you have a large drum A and a smaller drum B inside it.
A center axle goes through both Large drum A  and smaller drum B without touching drum B because it has no CENTER SIDES.  Just the outer circumference sides or ring like appearance. Drum A has center sides and is enclosed with a removable cover.  Like a wood pot with a lid and center axle through it.


Drum B is very important as it has many equaly spaced apart rod magnets on its ""INSIDES.""
One same polarity on one side and the other polarity on the other side
This drum B setup floats around inside drum A.
Because the sides of Drum B will always present magnets very close to drum As outer circumference any ""EXTERNAL""rod or rod repelling makeup of magnets brought close to A will push the B drum setup to the opposite side of the center axle in Drum A.
 
This causes an unbalanced condition and B drum will turn forcing A drum with it if there is good friction between them.  Silicon tape wound around drum B  ""OUTSIDES ""works well to provide that friction.

Thanks for the description.  :)

I think i have to read it several times until i will understand all the details. That's sometimes hard without any pictures.
Some photos or drawings would be really helpful for replication.  :)


Are there any critical parameters (spacing of magnets, etc) ?
How many iterations did you need to get it finally running ?


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So now you have the whole story as to how to make  the motor and I will bet I don't will make a dime out of posting all this as open source information.  Any angels out there?
As i said, if i will be able to successfully replicate it, you will receive a significant donation from me. And i think others might do the same.


You said 'it's not free energy because after many years the magnets will use their strength'... i think if the machine priduces more energy than the energy which had been used to produce the magnets, this excess energy is 'free energy'. Every machine has a limited lifetime. If it would run for some years this would be ok for me.

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2019, 08:23:19 PM »
I have a basic photo showing the insides of the drums inside magnet covered wheel exposed.
I will try to post through a friend's computer but in the meantime  can someone post the photo in case that does not work. I will need their e mail address however and send them the photo. I have only a I pad to work with right now.  Post the photo on this thread.



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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2019, 08:31:34 PM »
That's how i understand the description.

Is this understanding correct ?

The green drum can rotate and has an axle through the post (i have pictured only one post, of course it would need two of them).The gray drum has bar magnets and is able to 'free-float' inside the green drum.The fixed magnet outside has opposite polarity to the magnets in the drum so that it will attract them.

But i see a problem here:

The fixed magnet will attract the drum, and the drum wants to go down because of gravity, but there will be a point of balance between these two forces, and at this point the motion will stop. I would not expect this construction to rotate continously.

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2019, 08:59:26 PM »
Tom I will post the Pic here in this thread for you and put Tom's "" ROTOR FLOATER MAGNET MOTOR"". under the pic  [for the device]
..ChetKremens@gmail.com
EDIT I see Tom also sent to Skywatcher below , however I did ask a question [what to call it] prior to just posting Tom's image
....now posted below as he wishes it named.

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2019, 09:05:21 PM »
This is the photo Tom sent me, together with this text:
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A very powerful long rod external magnet is hand held or mounted close to the outside drums center. That in turn repels the inside magnet drum ring to the opposite side. With a horizontal center axle going through the outside drum the inside magnet ring should not touch it.   A very small black spot in the center is where the center axle was drilled open for later. The inside magnet ring floats around and normally centers itself at the bottom of the external Drum when the external magnet is not present. However when repelled or pushed to one side of the center axle gravity takes over and the inside magnet wheel rotates along with the external drum providing there is excellent friction between both of them.     I have used silicon tape for that purpose.   Very simple to construct. Red ends of magnets are my north poles.  Other side are south poles marked blue not shown. Tom

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Offline magnetman12003

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2019, 09:13:30 PM »
Photo needs downsized as all I am getting is network connection is lost.  The verbage is correct.


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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2019, 09:20:29 PM »
Now i have downsized all pics...

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2019, 09:35:52 PM »
Thanks for all help in loading the photo. Now everyone can see what I am trying to explain.
I hope someone replicates it while I am on vacation. 


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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2019, 11:01:04 PM »
Thanks for all help in loading the photo. Now everyone can see what I am trying to explain.
I hope someone replicates it while I am on vacation. 


Tom

I still have some doubts... 

Did you hold the fixed magnet by hand, or was it really fixed ?
If you hold it in your hand, it would be possible that the drums rotate, because you always make some small movements, which will give some energy for it to move.

You wrote that in your construction the fixed magnet is inside the drum, near the center, and it repels the rotor magnets.
In my CAD picture, i placed the magnet on the outside, and it attracts the rotor magnets.
I think both variants are equivalent... what do you think ?

Even if i have some doubts if it really works, i like the idea...  :)

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2019, 12:25:31 AM »
It was hand held.  See no reason fixed will not work.
Attraction is out!!! The only thing that will happen is very quickly the inner magnet wheel will jump towards the external magnet and PIN itself to the internal sides of the drum enclosure without the drum rolling at all.  So NO ATTRACTION to be used.


It has not happened to me but if to much repell is used I guess the same pinning thing might happen on the opposite side of the drum even if that side is very heavy.

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2019, 12:35:10 AM »
It was hand held.  See no reason fixed will not work.
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Hi Tom,
I kindly ask you to repeat the test (when you have the time) with a rigidly fixed magnet too because
a hand held magnet always include hand movement, whatever small it may be.  When your fingers have to
work against repel forces while holding the magnet, unwanted and mostly unnoticed finger  or hand movements
can add  "input energy"  to the system. 
The rigidly fixed magnet test should be done even if only the mere presence of the repel field is needed for the continuous operation 
i.e. only a non-moving, static field is needed at one of the sides of the outer drum.
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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2019, 12:37:20 AM »
It was hand held.  See no reason fixed will not work.
Ok, this explains a lot. Nobody is able to hold a magnet at a fixed position if there are other moving magnets nearby.
Your hand will move, and this is where the energy comes from. I'm quite sure it will not work with a fixed magnet.

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Attraction is out!!! The only thing that will happen is very quickly the inner magnet wheel will jump towards the external magnet and PIN itself to the internal sides of the drum enclosure without the drum rolling at all.  So NO ATTRACTION to be used.

It has not happened to me but if to much repell is used I guess the same pinning thing might happen on the opposite side of the drum even if that side is very heavy.
But the fixed magnet could also be outside the rotating drum ?  This would be much easier to construct.
If it has to be inside the drum, the drum can only have one bearing, like the drum of a washing machine.

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2019, 01:15:41 AM »
The fixed magnet is being hand held on the ""OUTSIDE ""of the drum??  Inside the drum is the magnet wheel.  I did not realize I did not make that point clear enough??  Two bearings are used.  One for the drum axle bottom and one for the removable lid axle so the magnet wheel can be removed.

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2019, 01:32:13 AM »
The fixed magnet is being hand held on the ""OUTSIDE ""of the drum??  Inside the drum is the magnet wheel.  I did not realize I did not make that point clear enough??  Two bearings are used.  One for the drum axle bottom and one for the removable lid axle so the magnet wheel can be removed.
You wrote "A very powerful long rod external magnet is hand held or mounted close to the outside drums center."
The 'outside drums center' is inside the drum...  but this didn't make sense to me.
Thanks for clarification.

So my picture from #32 is correct, except that the outide magnet should be in the opposite direction, to repel the drum ?

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2019, 01:57:02 AM »
The magnet wheel in your diagram needs to be made much larger so it always clears the central axle of the
Drum when the magnet wheel rotates or floats around.


The external magnet has to have polaritys reversed so it repels.


I hope this clears things up.


Tom

 

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