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Author Topic: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.  (Read 10788 times)

Offline skywatcher

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2019, 09:12:00 PM »
Maybe you could give a basic description of your motor wihthout revealing critical details ?

What kind of motion does it make ?  Does it rotate ?  Or more like a pendulum ?
Does it produce useful output power or does it only barely move ?
How big is it, and can it be scaled to give more power ?

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2019, 11:55:02 PM »
Continuous rotary motion. It depend solely on the weight inside the drum enclosure to generate power.
The floating weight inside the drum enclosure is the special part of the setup. It can't be seen normally unless the drum is taken apart and the insides shown.
My 10 inch model rotates but I have no way of telling how much power is put out presently.
Yes the model can easily be scaled up to where it might power a home if made correctly that is.
Non ferrous components are used in construction. Just 316 grade stainless steel, bronze bearings, wood or a plastic drum.  Many other materials can be used as long as they don't attract a magnet. Using all ceramic bearings for axle rotation would be a big plus as they are almost friction free. Right now I am using bronze bearings.

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2019, 04:53:36 PM »
Is this your design?

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2019, 05:32:36 PM »
I keep getting the network connection is lost.
Anyways this has never never
Been published before.

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2019, 05:57:23 PM »
WHO LET THE DOG OUT..

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2019, 06:01:31 PM »
I have questions about open sourcing information.  First thing is that once any information is open sourced can anyone still able to patent your open source designs?  How does the patent office recognize open sourced information?  I am aware that China does not recognize any patents and will make and sell for a lot less than items bought elsewhere.

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2019, 06:12:55 PM »
Vince..
You blew up the page with that humongous image..please resize before the forum times out and you can't .

magnetman..
I am sure there are ways to do this , but the patent trap most definitely works against open sourcing.
we have time until your February release to sort that part out.
Stefan could most definitely arrange for a trusted member to witness the device almost anywhere on the planet for
validation [at no fee].and then there could be More Angel donations to your project ?

Chet


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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2019, 06:26:22 PM »
#16, #20 :
        a nominal 1000 W 1000 RPM generator generates by 100 RPM : 1000 W x 0,1 x 0,1 x 0,1 =
                                                                          1 W power !

                                       10%  from RPM-nominal but only 0,1% from P-nominal ! ( and up to 98% EFF.)

More detailed info about power calculation :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=2012256422A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20121011&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
[ 0016] generator and motor +  power calculation modus and formula [0091] [ 0092] [ 0093] [ 0094]

These only as information to not overestimate mecano-cinetical "rotative devices" and their torque

http://www.imsolution.com.au/fluxgraphs-entry.html  free software available



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     China,now the same industrial evolution in Vietnam and Cambodia ...... :
as WTO-members they have to accept no= open source/ patent law rights/- obligations !
But this is written theory ! As for all other not named countries, included G20/G7 !

"Open source" can ever become the source for new patents
when these devices can become technical optimized !
Making the basic structure simpler, with new materials,the design, the efficiency et cet. !                                                 Utility model, technical application = "Patent"

Probably your idea is existent and to find in the WIPO-/ espacenet- archive , " soon invented by others" !
                                 https://worldwide.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale=en_EP
                                       Title : for example : magnetic rotative device,  magnet motor,  magnet generator         

                                         X fold title-subject determination in different variants to find

Good luck !
Sincerely
OCWL

p. s. : the magnetic motor drawbacks are like here.
  https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=62&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920423&CC=DE&NR=4033061A1&KC=A1# 

                                                                    fixed rotationNormally in too high or too low rotation range : gear/ transmission need or low RPM< 200 , these are in the 500€/KW price level

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2019, 12:15:33 AM »
To sum it up folks you have a large drum A and a smaller drum B inside it.
A center axle goes through both Large drum A  and smaller drum B without touching drum B because it has no CENTER SIDES.  Just the outer circumference sides or ring like appearance. Drum A has center sides and is enclosed with a removable cover.  Like a wood pot with a lid and center axle through it.


Drum B is very important as it has many equaly spaced apart rod magnets on its ""INSIDES.""
One same polarity on one side and the other polarity on the other side
This drum B setup floats around inside drum A.
Because the sides of Drum B will always present magnets very close to drum As outer circumference any ""EXTERNAL""rod or rod repelling makeup of magnets brought close to A will push the B drum setup to the opposite side of the center axle in Drum A.
 
This causes an unbalanced condition and B drum will turn forcing A drum with it if there is good friction between them.  Silicon tape wound around drum B  ""OUTSIDES ""works well to provide that friction.


So now you have the whole story as to how to make  the motor and I will bet I don't will make a dime out of posting all this as open source information.  Any angels out there?






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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
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Offline ramset

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2019, 01:03:32 AM »
Well I still think you should contact Stefan and set up a demonstration of your Device .I can try to reach him tomorrow if you like ?
I believe the community will make sure you get rewarded and credit for the device if it truly works as you say.
Chet






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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2019, 01:53:08 AM »
I wii post a video of this working in Late February but you can tell Stephan about it.  I am not shooting for any overunity prizes for free energy because this is not free energy as magnets loose  energy over a very long time.
Think about the simple idea.  Move any weight to one side of a center axle creates a imbalanced condition.
Magnetic action can do that.  So simple!!  Can last for over 100 years??

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2019, 02:09:32 AM »
I keep getting the network connection is lost.
Anyways this has never never
Been published before.
Actually there was talk about this particular config here at OU.
you are basically offsetting gravity's affect on the inner drum. like it is just being pulled by 2 sources of gravity. Im sure that if the whole thing were set up and the inner drum were set up in its neutral position, it would not turn. It has been talked about before here. Id have to see it work to think otherwise. If the magnet were first introduced, the inner drum does seem to roll the outer wheel and the inner drum does a back and forth thing for a bit causing the outer drum to roll, but then it slows and eventually comes to a stop. At least that is what I know of these devices. Ive seen the idea several times over the years.

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2019, 02:09:55 AM »
I would like to open source a name for this motor.  Like to call it the "" ROTOR FLOATER MAGNET MOTOR"".


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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2019, 03:33:19 AM »
Need to use very strong neo magnets as the outside magnet source to keep the inside B drum pressed against the A drum all the time.  The rolling will continue as the weight will be on that side of the center axle all the time and gravity wins.




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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2019, 08:09:50 AM »
Vertical rotation :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19840928&CC=FR&NR=2543226A1&KC=A1#
Yours horizontal ergo a "starter drive" need : the attraktive/ repulsive magnets
Going to the above application ( " cited documents") citing documents"

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=FR&NR=2543226A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19840928&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP


 we see how inventors and patent laywers work in their 


                                                     same/ similar/ new re-/ search and development   study !

Also to remark how different a " converter" can become " baptizied" as title-subject !

But the search process is easier as it seems
[cause there are millions of " no title" applications ( granted or not) ] f.e. your device and " similar approach" :

From the " citing documents"- listing I take this

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=4&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19950201&CC=EP&NR=0637120A1&KC=A1#
and remark the official application " class/- ification " a. international  IPC.  b. cooperative CPC

and know now under which number/-s I should search by filling it/-s in the " advanced search" start page


 https://worldwide.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale=en_EP

  into the two last search term fields : CPC  and/or IPC !

NO WARRANTY for patent office employees "  classification " indication correctness !  Nobody is ......
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