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Author Topic: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.  (Read 7527 times)

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #75 on: January 20, 2019, 02:21:07 PM »
Look at the picture in #46.  What is different in by build ?  Except that everything is made of plastic, not wood.

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #76 on: January 20, 2019, 02:26:08 PM »
Inner moving drum,  outer moving drum : ~ Frenette Heater,  vertical.

Tom : Frenette- horizontal + magnets + inner drum: unfixed

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #77 on: January 21, 2019, 01:30:58 PM »
Look at the picture in #46.  What is different in by build ?  Except that everything is made of plastic, not wood.
Mildly off topic... What 3d printer are you using?  It looks like it does a really clean and detailed print.   

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« Reply #77 on: January 21, 2019, 01:30:58 PM »
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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #78 on: January 27, 2019, 01:50:46 AM »
I wii post a video of this working in Late February but you can tell Stephan about it.  I am not shooting for any overunity prizes for free energy because this is not free energy as magnets loose  energy over a very long time.
Think about the simple idea.  Move any weight to one side of a center axle creates a imbalanced condition.
Magnetic action can do that.  So simple!!  Can last for over 100 years??
Have you ever considered why drum B moves at the side at all? The result, using a magnet to push B to the side, will appearently look like drum A suddenly got more weight on one side. However, the force of the magnet is keeping it there, so the total vector of forces between A and B is perpendicular to the point where A and B touch eachother. So there is no force to spin A, or B with it.
As long B keeps its position to the side, it is logical that there is no driving forces that makes A rotate. Just if B is stuck to A, and B is able to "fall" down and drag A with it, you get rotation for a few degrees. But that is due to the release of potential energy in B.


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« Reply #79 on: January 27, 2019, 11:41:17 AM »
Have you ever considered why drum B moves at the side at all? The result, using a magnet to push B to the side, will appearently look like drum A suddenly got more weight on one side. However, the force of the magnet is keeping it there, so the total vector of forces between A and B is perpendicular to the point where A and B touch eachother. So there is no force to spin A, or B with it.
That's exactly how it behaves. At first look it looks like an imbalance but the force of the external magnet keeps this imbalance as long as it's there, and so there is no reason for the drum to rotate. It can not work.

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #80 on: January 27, 2019, 01:36:06 PM »
Have you ever considered why drum B moves at the side at all? The result, using a magnet to push B to the side, will appearently look like drum A suddenly got more weight on one side. However, the force of the magnet is keeping it there, so the total vector of forces between A and B is perpendicular to the point where A and B touch eachother. So there is no force to spin A, or B with it.
As long B keeps its position to the side, it is logical that there is no driving forces that makes A rotate. Just if B is stuck to A, and B is able to "fall" down and drag A with it, you get rotation for a few degrees. But that is due to the release of potential energy in B.


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I see some connection with this device from Robert Calloway, when reading the explanation.
http://freeenergy2000.tripod.com/hamstercagerotor.htm
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« Reply #81 on: January 27, 2019, 01:51:25 PM »

I see some connection with this device from Robert Calloway, when reading the explanation.
http://freeenergy2000.tripod.com/hamstercagerotor.htm
/Eric
That's besically the same principle. I think almost every idea has already been tried by someone. Magnets are not new, so there was plenty of time to experiment... obviously without any success.

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #82 on: January 30, 2019, 11:20:31 PM »
Cut out a 5 inch section of 4 inch diameter pvc pipe.  Make 2 four inch diameter end caps for the pipe and drill a 5/16 or 8mm hole in the center of each cap.   Two 8 mm all ceramic skate bearings mounted in the end caps will have the lowest rotating friction. [
Now take a 3 inch long 1 inch diameter alnico or neo rod magnet covered by a  3 inch, 3 or 4 ply silicon automobile water hose and place it inside the 5 inch long pvc pipe. 

Place caps inside both ends of the 5 inch long pipe and run a 12 inch long 5/16 inch or 8 mm diameter non ferrous rod through it.
Support both ends of the rod so the 4 inch diameter ,5 inch long pipe rotates freely.
SLOWLY bring another powerful same size rod magnet close to one side of the supported pipe so the magnet inside the pipe just starts to roll to the other side ""in repel.""  Stop at that point. If done to quick the magnet inside the pipe will pin itself to the inside pipe wall and nothing will happen.
That silicon hose provides the bonding or sticky surface that insures the pvc pipe to start rolling the ""INSTANT"" the hose covered magnet inside the pipe rolls.  The inside magnet must be free to rotate but must ""NOT "" be able to slip around.
This is as simple and inexpensive as it gets as far as build trouble goes.


I plan to show it in late February.

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« Reply #83 on: January 30, 2019, 11:30:19 PM »
Why should the magnet roll ?  It only rolls until all forces are balanced out. Maybe it also rolls for some short time if you move the external magnet back and forth. But it will not roll if the external magnet is fixed.

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Re: What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.
« Reply #84 on: January 31, 2019, 02:59:05 AM »
If motion is certainly required then make the external magnet like a small pendulum bouncing back and forth at a certain distance away from the internal hose covered magnet while ""in repel.""   A small springlike device on the external magnet is not hard to construct?
Remember than when the internal magnet try's to go up the pipes inner diameter it will roll backward at some point and that will in turn bounce the external magnet backward. Pendulum forward action will kick in.   Process is repetitive.

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« Reply #85 on: January 31, 2019, 08:32:19 AM »
If motion is certainly required then make the external magnet like a small pendulum bouncing back and forth at a certain distance away from the internal hose covered magnet while ""in repel.""   A small springlike device on the external magnet is not hard to construct?
Remember than when the internal magnet try's to go up the pipes inner diameter it will roll backward at some point and that will in turn bounce the external magnet backward. Pendulum forward action will kick in.   Process is repetitive.
This will not work either, because the spring doesn't supply energy into the system, like your hand movement does.

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« Reply #86 on: January 31, 2019, 09:25:07 PM »
When the external magnet is brought very slowly towards the internal magnet covered by a silicon pipe
the silicon pipe covered internal magnet will start to roll ""IN ONE SPOT"".  At the 6:30 position bottom of the 5 inch long pipe.
If  the internal magnet is allowed to slip around nothing will work at all.  It must be able grip while turning to rotate the 5 inch long pipe its inside.  That's where the silicon hose acts like a GRIP between the internal hose covered magnet and 4 inch diameter pipe.


Slipping is not allowed.


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« Reply #87 on: January 31, 2019, 10:08:00 PM »
Nope. I tried it with a 40mm round magnet with some rubber bands attached to it to have enough grip. It sticks to the drum and when the external magnet approaches (regardless how slow or fast) the drum together with the magnet rotates some 20 degrees until the forces are balanced, and then stops. The 'rolling' magnet doesn't roll at all, not even slightly. It's just sticking to the drum. Even when i try to rotate the drum slightly with my hand it stops immediately when it's released.

This is totally consistent with the expected behaviour.

Why should the magnet start to roll ?  It doesn't roll 'downhill' because there is no 'downhill'. The 'downhill force' is canceled by the external magnet.

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« Reply #88 on: January 31, 2019, 11:28:07 PM »
Check out reply video #45 by EA Vogels.  Using a silicon covered rod magnet inside the pipe in attraction will do the same thing.   The external magnet needs to be at some distance away so the internal magnet does not hard pin to the pipes inside wall.
Something surely could be developed to take the place of fingers holding the external magnet in the video??

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« Reply #89 on: January 31, 2019, 11:42:21 PM »
The video is fake. It shows how the machine 'should have worked' but in reality it doesn't.

The idea of this machine is almost 200 years old so why don't we see machines working on this principle everywhere ?   ::)

 

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