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Author Topic: Zero and Q device  (Read 39604 times)

v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #150 on: January 12, 2019, 09:17:19 PM »
Karlo:   Calm down, no one is killing anything.
I ask you how you determined a 3 times increase in current, But, I get no answer.   The important thing (for us) is not that the one bulb is brighter than the other bulb. The main thing is the comparison of the input to the output readings. To really see if the circuit has merit, or not. Or, which one of the three circuits actually does something unusual.
Sorry, I do get confused with all three different circuits, at times.  However, some nice clear input to output readings would help.

I don't have to calm down because of you. You were always ok researcher.

And I will always try to answer your question if I can.

There are 3 concepts.

We are talking about Zero circuit now.
C1, C2, C3 will triple current trough them. (law of serial capacitors, current is triple, voltage is / 3, but Czero rise voltage so voltage almost stays the same ( 175V, not 220V), so you have 3 x current, but lower voltage for a little, but not 3 times)

Czero will double voltage inside those 3 capacitors. (cap CZero will be in serial connection with grid)

That is why is more power on output.

v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #151 on: January 12, 2019, 09:21:50 PM »
V8Karlo:  In case you missed it, this was Hoppy's explanation (above) of the difference in bulb brightness, and what is causing that on that particular circuit replication, in his opinion.
I personally tend to trust his expertise in the above explanation.

Then you trust his expertise, don't try to have your own.

v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #152 on: January 12, 2019, 09:29:05 PM »
V8Karlo:  In case you missed it, this was Hoppy's explanation (above) of the difference in bulb brightness, and what is causing that on that particular circuit replication, in his opinion.
I personally tend to trust his expertise in the above explanation.

My explanation for the operation of the 'Zero' circuit: -

Using my 25W bulb having a cold resistance of 204R, the bulb in series with a 10uf cap and diode, the bulb does not visibly flash on connection to a 240V mains supply. However, it will flash with a 20uf or higher value cap. The difference is due to the reactance of the capacitor allowing sufficient current to heat the bulb filament to a glow in the case of the 10uf cap. The combined series capacitance of C1 to C4 in the zero circuit is around 5uf, thus no flash.

When the transistor is switched ‘ON’ and conducts on one phase of the mains supply, caps 1 to 3 effectively discharge in parallel to a much lower resistance output circuit, via steering diodes, to common output rails to which L2 is connected. The combined currents through the lower resistance, discharged from caps 1 to 3 are sufficient to heat the filament of L2. However, L1 cannot light on this phase as the diodes in series with the caps are reverse biased. The caps are now discharged ready for re-charge on the next phase when the transistor is switched ‘OFF’.

Altering the power rating of the bulbs and cap values will alter the impedance of the input loop to an extent whereby LI may be seen to glow together with L2.

Hoopy explained part of circuit, and he did it very professional.

[Europe 220V grid]
He did not explain part when CZero making serial connection with grid and raises voltage in that line to 525V.
That explaines why you read on each cap 175V instead of 90V. That is essence of effect.

You can test it easily.

Remove CZero cap and plug in circuit in the grid.
Effect is gone and you will read on the caps only 90V or so. And the power is gone also.

So, he does explain it partially. Yes.

vasik041

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #153 on: January 12, 2019, 09:42:17 PM »
Step down converter with capacitors

v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #154 on: January 12, 2019, 09:42:37 PM »

Nick,

Would it been easier for you to assemble Zero in just 1 hour and see for yourself?
Just a stupid question, but...?

v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #155 on: January 12, 2019, 09:47:20 PM »
Step down converter with capacitors

Can you explain in few words what this circuit purpose is?

vasik041

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #156 on: January 12, 2019, 09:54:25 PM »

Can you explain in few words what this circuit purpose is?
Replace switches with diodes...and you got your circuit.Everyone knows voltage multiplier, this is "voltage divider".Step down voltage, increase current as any normal step down transformer.
PS please don't say that I attack you This information for people who wants understand how it works.

v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #157 on: January 12, 2019, 10:10:54 PM »
Replace switches with diodes...and you got your circuit.Everyone knows voltage multiplier, this is "voltage divider".Step down voltage, increase current as any normal step down transformer.
PS please don't say that I attack you This information for people who wants understand how it works.

You don't have to do that!

If you are talking about J circuit? J circuit is same as half bridge topology which everyone use! You don't have to search further.
If you are talking about Zero, you are missing transistor if you replace switches with diodes.
And you are right. Zero use voltage doubler in one phase. That is essence of it's effect. What is wrong with that?

If people wanna to understand how Zero works, they can read it in my pdf. And after that they can try it for themselves to see if I was correct.
It is open source.

I attached Zero pdf again so everyone can read it.

I don't know what are you trying here?

Catch me in the game of words?

v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #158 on: January 12, 2019, 10:21:51 PM »
Replace switches with diodes...and you got your circuit.Everyone knows voltage multiplier, this is "voltage divider".Step down voltage, increase current as any normal step down transformer.
PS please don't say that I attack you This information for people who wants understand how it works.

Now, put bulbs in that circuit, on input and output.
If your bulb on output glows more and have more heat than you have something similar to Zero circuit.

v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #159 on: January 12, 2019, 10:59:37 PM »
Replace switches with diodes...and you got your circuit.Everyone knows voltage multiplier, this is "voltage divider".Step down voltage, increase current as any normal step down transformer.
PS please don't say that I attack you This information for people who wants understand how it works.

You made this circuit? It is your work?

You claim that this circuit does what my Zero circuit does!
You found somebody else's scheme and you claim that is my circuit!

I asked you before!

In a few words can you explain how your circuit works and what is it purpose?
It has title step down capacitor converter. You don't have to explain that.

Replace switches with diodes...and you got your circuit.Everyone knows voltage multiplier, this is "voltage divider".Step down voltage, increase current as any normal step down transformer.
PS please don't say that I attack you This information for people who wants understand how it works.

Can you explain how it is stepping down voltage and increase current?
It is not transformer, and how exactly it is increasing current?
Every capacitor in front of load draw more current.

In a few words, please!

v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #160 on: January 12, 2019, 11:18:57 PM »
Step down converter with capacitors

If you do not understand your own scheme how can you claim anything???

v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #161 on: January 12, 2019, 11:53:10 PM »
Step down converter with capacitors

I dont't think people react very well to your posts?

Hoppy

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #162 on: January 12, 2019, 11:57:11 PM »
V8karlo,
CZero is the cap that together with diode closest to it (shown drawn in vertical orientation) produces the doubling of voltage. By shunting out that capacitor, the voltage doubling is cancelled and this is why the 175V on caps 1-3 drop down to around 90V as you have observed. So, in effect, CZero does boost the voltage as you thought but this is not a power amplifying or free energy effect because a voltage doubler cannot be loaded with something like the bulbs you are using, without a very high voltage drop. The return path for the voltage doubler is interesting, so I'll leave you to work it out.

BTW, please stop the rude comments at people who are just trying to help you better understand your circuit.

v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #163 on: January 13, 2019, 12:07:39 AM »
CZero is the cap that together with diode closest to it (shown drawn in vertical orientation) produces the doubling of voltage. By shunting out that capacitor, the voltage doubling is cancelled and this is why the 175V on caps 1-3 drop down to around 90V as you have observed. So, in effect, CZero does boost the voltage as you thought but this is not power amplifying or free energy effect because a voltage doubler cannot be loaded with something like the bulbs you are using, without a very high voltage drop. The return path for the voltage doubler is interesting, so I'll leave you to work it out.

BTW, please stop the rude comments at people who are just trying to help you understand your circuit.

Hoopy,

I've been playing with this for a long time. I know all it's secrets.
You don't have to explain to me how it works.
I gave it to you, to the world.
If you can use it, use it!
This book has more than 3 chapters.
I am here to help if I can. My goal is to reach people who want to do something.

I am not rude. Am I rude to you now? You are asking normally. I am answering normally.
I do not experiment any more, it is all my old knowledge.
It is new to you, but not for me.
So, if I can help I will because I made tons of experiments with all 3 concepts.

v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #164 on: January 13, 2019, 12:10:42 AM »
V8karlo,
CZero is the cap that together with diode closest to it (shown drawn in vertical orientation) produces the doubling of voltage. By shunting out that capacitor, the voltage doubling is cancelled and this is why the 175V on caps 1-3 drop down to around 90V as you have observed. So, in effect, CZero does boost the voltage as you thought but this is not a power amplifying or free energy effect because a voltage doubler cannot be loaded with something like the bulbs you are using, without a very high voltage drop. The return path for the voltage doubler is interesting, so I'll leave you to work it out.

BTW, please stop the rude comments at people who are just trying to help you better understand your circuit.

CZero boost power. Simple as that.
Eventually you will see that.