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Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #90 on: January 11, 2019, 04:25:35 PM »
#85 : 2,5 times more compared with Victor Arestov power/ load saving device : his led drawn instead 25 minutes 65 minutes : 65/25= 2,6
You see v8karlo: the right way ! But your is by pieces quantity number  simpler ergo easier/ cheaper to bild !

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20041118&CC=WO&NR=2004100349A1&KC=A1#
Capacitor in number serie + di/triode in number serie + resistor in number serie :

Let us see what is the C. O. P. max. !

Yes lancaIV.

I am counting that all of you are better engineers that I am.
That is why I made it open source, for you. For all of you.
Lots of good people and lots of brain power.

If you build it you will soon know about it more than I am.
I won't be needed any more at that point. And I am glad for that.
In my pdf I tried to explain principle and that is good point to start.
The law of serial connection can be used to get more.
The components are performing more than one task at same time.

Lighting a bulb and filling capacitor at the same time. 2 tasks.
And then using energy from capacitor once more trough bulb.
You are using energy twice.
And then cap CZero using law of serial connection to double grid voltage at same time,
filling caps to double voltage, so the power in caps is double. (175V so little less than double)
Without CZero on each cap will be only cca 90V, but there is 175V on each cap while it works.
But there are 3 caps, so they triple the current with double voltage in them.
So simple circuit, but every component does at right moment what it supposed to do and cooperate with others.

More than one task for every component.


So, yes.


 

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #90 on: January 11, 2019, 04:25:35 PM »

Offline Void

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #91 on: January 11, 2019, 04:45:04 PM »
There is a common pattern to many of the 'free energy' claims in forums like this.
A claim is made that some setup is producing 'free energy' or 'OU'. Typically little or no efforts are made
to do proper analysis and measurements, to try to understand what is really going on in the circuit.
If anyone points out any issues with assumptions being made about the setup and suggests some proper
measurements be made, the free energy claimant will frequently claim they are being 'attacked'.   :o
However, if someone is pointing out quite legitimate issues with the assumptions being made about a
circuit and suggesting proper steps be taken to analyze the circuit and to make proper measurements,
and they are being attacked for that, something is obviously very wrong there.

V8karlo, if your 'zero' circuit is really 'free energy' as you claim, then it should stand up to proper analysis
and proper measurements, so there should be nothing to fear from such an analysis, right? Hoppy did nothing
more here than point out that he thinks you are making some incorrect assumptions about your zero circuit,
and you jumped all over him. That is very irrational to say the least. V8karlo, the real question is, are you interested
in really understanding what is really going on in your setups or not? If you are not really interested in trying to learn
how your circuits really perform, then why post the info here? In such a case you would be better off posting to
some other place like energeticform.com where people who make unsubstantiated claims and who often do not make
any proper measurements at all are treated like great heros. Proper analysis and proper measurements are very much
feared over there. ;)

On the other hand, if you are actually interested in understanding how your circuits really work and perform, then please stop
attacking people who take time out of their day to give you some honest feedback regarding what they really think about your setups.
You are in the wrong place if you think that sort of very irrational behavior is going to get you very far here. If you are charging
capacitors using one half of the AC cycle from the mains to charge the capacitors, then the energy used to charge those capacitors
is coming from the mains.

For this to be 'free energy', you would need to somehow return energy back to the mains at the same energy level
(without any energy losses), or at a greater energy level. However, if some/much of the energy stored in the capacitors is being
consumed by a resistive load before the current is returned back to the mains, then it would appear that you are not returning all the energy
back to the mains, which was drawn from the mains to charge the capacitors. Some basic proper measurements should confirm what is
really going on there. If your circuit really is free energy, then doing those proper measurements should not be an issue at all then, right?
Anyone who is really interested in understanding what is really going on in your 'zero' setup should actually welcome
closer analysis and proper measurements to see how the circuit is really performing, right? Otherwise all a person
is doing is playing some fantasy role playing game, no?


Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #92 on: January 11, 2019, 05:03:01 PM »
V8karlo, if your 'zero' circuit is really 'free energy' as you claim, then it should stand up to proper analysis
and proper measurements, so there should be nothing to fear from such an analysis, right?

I don't claim anything. Others build it and started to claim.


I agree with you.

I won't try to explain it any more.
You build it and you explain to this forum and rest of world why the input bulb is not lit
and output bulb has light and heat.

But, build it. Don't  just look at scheme and say "this is fraud".


Please, be my guest.

I am not joking at your account.

Please build it and explain it. When you build it, you can measure it and explain it.

Please. It is not joke.


V8karlo, if your 'zero' circuit is really 'free energy' as you claim, then it should stand up to proper analysis
and proper measurements, so there should be nothing to fear from such an analysis, right?

If I am afraid it won't be open sourced. (And it is open sourced so you can try it and measure it.)
And in that case nobody will be able to reproduce it.

But people did replicated it.

Everything is out there. On the open.
Everybody can make it and look at it.

One hour of spare time.

I didn't made something foggy. I made very detailed blueprint how to do it.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2019, 07:35:32 PM by v8karlo »

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #92 on: January 11, 2019, 05:03:01 PM »
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Offline Void

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #93 on: January 11, 2019, 05:23:26 PM »
I don't claim anything.

Hi v8karlo. I am sorry but what you are saying there is false.
Here are some direct quotes from your "The Zero Device" PDF.
"Immediately is visible that out is more than in and the heat is present on output which means power."
"But this is first documented and explained free energy device."
"Now you have your first Free Energy device to play with."

Don't just look at scheme and talk "this is fraud".

Again that is a false statement. I have seen no one say here "this is fraud".
You also stated the following in an earlier post in this thread:
"You and others said before that I am faking light and heat in Zero device."
That is also a false statement. I have seen no one state that here.
We can see in your picture in your PDF that the light bulb is lighting up a bit,
and I haven't seen anyone disputing that here.

You build it and you explain to this forum and rest of world why the input bulb is not lit
and output bulb has light and heat.

v8karlo, I am very busy with work and with various other things right now, but if no one else
does it then I will see if I can find some time on a weekend to build your zero setup and
do some in depth analysis and measurements on it. If I find in my testing that it is really 'free energy'
then I will be happy to state that here.
All the best...


Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #94 on: January 11, 2019, 05:36:22 PM »
v8karlo, I am very busy with work and with various other things right now, but if no one else
does it then I will see if I can find some time on a weekend to build your zero setup and
do some in depth analysis and measurements on it. If I find in my testing that it is really 'free energy'
then I will be happy to state that here.
All the best...

OK, fair enough. You see, we didn't have to fight from the beginning. This is right way to talk.


And when you build it, it will be yours.

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #94 on: January 11, 2019, 05:36:22 PM »
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Offline Void

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #95 on: January 11, 2019, 05:42:59 PM »
OK, fair enough. You see, we didn't have to fight from the beginning. This is right way to talk.
And when you build it, it will be yours.

Hi v8karlo. I really am not following you. I really don't see how you interpret people
giving you feedback on your setups as 'people fighting with you'.

Anyway, I will see if I can find some time to analyze your zero device on a weekend
if someone else doesn't do it first. I do find it interesting that your light bulb 'L1'
doesn't light, or only lights quite dimly. It will be interesting to analyze to see what
is going on there. All the best...

Hoppy, do you see why light bulb L1 is not lighting?



Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #96 on: January 11, 2019, 05:53:28 PM »
HI v8karlo. I really am not following you. I really don't see how you interpret people
giving you feedback on your setups as 'people fighting with you".

Anyway, I will see if I can find some time to analyze your zero device on a weekend
if someone else doesn't do it first. I do find it interesting that your light bulb 'L1'
doesn't light or only lights quite dimly. It will be interesting to analyze to see what
is going on there. All the best...

Hoppy, do you see why light bulb L1 is not lighting?

Look!

When someone just look at scheme and said: "It is not possible!"
1. He is completely idiot, and he is not here to help!
2. He is trying to provoke just for his own fun!
3. He does not know what he is doing, but with his accusations he looks very smart.

In reality he is scaring people off.

You can choose which one from that 3 makes me defend from such people.
Sorry, but this is true.

When you said you will try you started to act like scientist and others will see in you smart person.
I believe you are smart person, but you were scaring people away!
I don't like that. I like when everyone can post his Idea and not to be bullying by the "smart expert guys".
There are lots of young researchers here who are afraid to post. That's why.

And I didn't fight with everyone, just people who attacked before they even looked into the problem.
It was you, Hoopy and vasik041.

With everyone else I had more then normal conversations. You can read posts from beginning and you will see that.

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Offline Void

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #97 on: January 11, 2019, 06:08:06 PM »
Look!

When someone just look at scheme and said: "It is not possible!"
1. He is completely idiot, and he is not here to help!
2. He is trying to provoke just for his own fun!
3. He does not know what he is doing, but with his accusations he looks very smart. In reality he is scaring people off.

You can choose which one from that 3 makes me defend from such people.
Sorry, but this is true.

When you said you will try you started to act like scientist and others will see in you smart person.
I believe you are smart person, but you were scaring people away!
There are lots of young researchers here who are afraid to post. That's why.

Hi v8karlo. You are doing it again. No one said "It is not possible!"
I believe Hoppy said to the effect that he thinks you are making some incorrect assumptions.
Does it not bother you at all that you keep making statements that are quite clearly false?
See my comment above where I pointed out several false statements from you.
People having a different perspective than you is no way at all 'people attacking you'. Unless someone
actually says that you are 'a fraud' and ' this is not possible', etc., then no one has said those things. ;)

I personally previously have actually made no specific comments at all on your 'zero device'.
I have pointed out my point of view that for a circuit to be 'free energy/overunity' it must be drawing
in excess energy from outside the setup somehow. That is hardly an 'attack' or anything like that. :)
v8karlo, sorry, but you just are not making any sense with your accusations of 'attacks' and the like.
People will always have different perspectives. That is a good thing. ;)


Offline lancaIV

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #98 on: January 11, 2019, 06:22:41 PM »
Yes lancaIV.

I am counting that all of you are better engineers that I am.
That is why I made it open source, for you. For all of you.
Lots of good people and lots of brain power.

If you build it you will soon know about it more than I am.
I won't be needed any more at that point. And I am glad for that.
In my pdf I tried to explain principle and that is good point to start.
The law of serial connection can be used to get more.
The components are performing more than one task at same time.

Lighting a bulb and filling capacitor at the same time. 2 tasks.
And then using energy from capacitor once more trough bulb.
You are using energy twice.
And then cap CZero using law of serial connection to double grid voltage at same time,
filling caps to double voltage, so the power in caps is double. (175V so little less than double)
Without CZero on each cap will be only cca 90V, but there is 175V on each cap while it works.
But there are 3 caps, so they triple the current with double voltage in them.
So simple circuit, but every component does at right moment what it supposed to do and cooperate with others.

More than one task for every component.


So, yes.
Gricourt /Kovac resistor serie  :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=FR&NR=2504768A2&KC=A2&FT=D&ND=3&date=19821029&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
                                                     calorimeteric experiment result :

                                                         5 Watt bulb 220 V : 4,3 cal/hour


                                                         5 Watt  bulb 110 V : 4,9 cal/hour

small indication, but demonstrates difference ! Impulse generator sourced ?

I  have been at the morning in OPorto and visited the Rua de Alegria, to look there : open/closed. ?
        https://www.gescontact.pt/campos-cardoso-3a68

Has been there between 2004- 2009 +/- 3 times a week ( 500 times +),  getting technician service by him :https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Envez&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search
But closed. ( By their best time in the 70' ties 16 employees produced hundreds of transformators per day : it was the time when Televisor and Radios were repaired and not droped away)


 So I visited several electro-/ repair shops to get the price of ni-chrome coil :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A#

1 mm diameter/ meter 1 Euro,  85-90 Euros/ Kg ( alibaba?  aliexpress?)


Yes,  indeed,  many improvement possibilities.

Have a nice Weekend
OCWL

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Re: Zero and Q device
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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #99 on: January 11, 2019, 06:31:32 PM »

I believe Hoppy said to the effect that he thinks your are making some incorrect assumptions.


First was impendance match, it can not work. (then I showed him same scheme without transformer)

Then it was bulb is to slow to react, it won't glow. (stupid) But he is expert, yes.
And more, and more....


Now I am asking you simple question?
Was it easier to build circuit with 5 components from trash and post one good and smart post.


You see, with all that numerous posts others saw what will happen to them if they have an Idea.
So it is better for them to shut up because expert is around.

I don't wanna talk about this any more.

You are not behave like that any more and our conversations become pretty normal.
Do you agree?

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #100 on: January 11, 2019, 06:39:11 PM »
v8karlo. You are fighting illusory dragons.
I can't say it any more clearly than that.


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Re: Zero and Q device
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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #101 on: January 11, 2019, 06:48:08 PM »
v8karlo. You are fighting illusory dragons.
I can't say it any more clearly than that.

I talked with people via mail and when I invited them here. They don't want to come.
Then I started to ask why? It is easier to post here where everyone can see answers.
But they don't wanna to come.

And then in one mail come up Hoopy's nickname and reason.
After that I started to look who are that experts here.

You can call me whatever you like if you feel better that way.

But as I can see you are pushing with this topic for the few last posts.
I asked you to stop in previous post #99.

I am just answering to them.
Why is that if I am delusional.

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #102 on: January 11, 2019, 06:58:21 PM »
Sigh...   :o  :)  :D  ;D



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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #103 on: January 11, 2019, 07:01:33 PM »
Sigh...   :o :) :D ;D

You have to employ your energy into research. You have it a lot I must admit that.
We writed a novel here about psychology.
 ;) :)

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #104 on: January 11, 2019, 07:28:14 PM »
Hi v8karlo. If no one posts an in-depth analysis with measurements of your 'zero device' soon,
I will see if I have the parts to build it and test in the next few weeks.
Just need to find some time. All is good.  :)


 

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