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Author Topic: Zero and Q device  (Read 9800 times)

Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2019, 06:12:45 PM »
If Karlos doesn't mind, i'd like to attach here one more circuit of the same way of thinking. It is for the experimenters. The waveform of the returned energy back to the source, was attached at the Kapanadje thread before few days. If A.G likes to bring it here it would be appreciated.

I don't recommend anyone to build it from scratch. It is just for showing you here that if potential become higher than input then a good portion of energy can return back to the source and raising this way the efficiency.
All coils 1:1

I don't mind at all, you are welcome for any idea.

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2019, 06:12:45 PM »

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2019, 06:16:44 PM »
Wow! Yes. It has to be something that simple. I'll test "J" topology asap. Nice to hear from wistiti that Zero circuit worked well. Keep on the good work Karlos!

Q-topology didn't work well with my push-pull setup. But feels like that with some refinements it can become better. The general idea looks valid.

ps. Don't have to be so deffensive. If your circuits are genuine then they will tell their story by themselves.  ;)

Regards

edit: I meant deffensive..sorry

Hehe, ok, no problem.

Q device isn't finished. It is start.
I am searching for way to make Q returning,
feed-backing to source in both phases, not just one phase.

Yesterday I was looking at Tesla patent 577670.
He placed inductors on feedback line on both sides.
In J device we have pulses on feedback line to source.

If I place inductors on feedback line, the back EMF will add it's
energy to feedback line.

Because feedback line energy is not lost. It goes to source.
In that case back Emf from inductors will be extra energy on that line
and it will only add energy to that line.
That is something which I have to test. For now it is idea.

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2019, 06:52:19 PM »
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Offline Void

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2019, 07:14:26 PM »
Regarding 'returning energy back to the source'.  You have to look at how much energy is being
returned.  Returning currents through a load back to the power source in no way means all
the energy consumed by the load is returned back to source. That is a misunderstanding.
You have to think in terms of energy, not current.

The energy dissipated in the load is 'consumed' energy. The current returning back to the source
through a load that is consuming energy from the power source will be at a reduced energy level.
This is because there is a voltage drop across the load.

You don't need fancy or complicated circuits to test this concept. You can just connect an efficient DC to DC boost
converter to a battery and boost the output voltage high enough so that you can connect a light bulb
(or resistor) between the boost converter output plus wire and the battery plus terminal. The light
bulb will light up and all the current passing through that light bulb returns to the battery plus terminal,
but your battery will still steadily run down. The energy consumed by the bulb is not returned to
the battery just because your setup returns all the current passing through your bulb back to the battery.

If anyone doubts this, you can easily test it if you have a DC to DC boost converter.
For example if you have a 12V battery and a suitable DC to DC boost converter, you can connect the
boost converter to the 12V battery and adjust the output voltage of the boost converter to 24V.
You can then connect a 12V light bulb between the boost converter output plus terminal and the battery
plus terminal, and all the current passing through the 12V light bulb is returning to the battery plus terminal.

Test how long it takes a fully charged 12V battery to run down to some voltage lighting a 12V light bulb directly,
compared to how log it takes to run down the same charged battery using the boost converter (at the exact same light bulb current)
with all the current from the bulb returning to the battery plus terminal. See which way is more efficient.


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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2019, 07:31:13 PM »
Void,  yes ! But how convert the electric cycle to an environmental energy converting device , charge pump                                   

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Re: Zero and Q device
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Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2019, 08:18:38 PM »

The energy dissipated in the load is 'consumed' energy. The current returning back to the source
through a load that is consuming energy from the power source will be at a reduced energy level.
This is because there is a voltage drop across the load.

Void,


In that case, what if the load has low resistance?
Actually, if the load is primary of Tesla coil (low turns)?Can you answer me, I need your opinion.

I have something on my mind.

So, my thought is:
If I use Tesla coil step up, my load is low resistance Tcoil primary.
So my primary is very low resistance.

Secondary is many turns.I step up to lets say 1000V.
Then I connect another Tesla coil on that one but step down,to retrieve amps back.
So I have step up Tcoil connected to step down Tcoil.

My question is:
Can I avoid losses what you talking about connecting two Tcoils that way.
Is that what Kapanadze is doing to avoid losses?
It just occurred to me when I read your post.

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #51 on: January 06, 2019, 08:23:54 PM »
Tesla Patent: 2 x N ~ C1,C2                                                        L: ?

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Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #52 on: January 06, 2019, 08:27:57 PM »
v8karlo, some " Studentenfutter" + espacenet " Baltzar von Platen" electro motor
http://rexresearch.com/platen/platen.htm
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Baltzar+von+platen&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search


Tesla,  later Otto von Traun ( co-op.  Hermann  Plauson) and from 2019 ten years back :

Project base
http://www.patent-de.com/20100114/DE102008032666A1.html

  some developments :https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Envez&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search
I am not sure what are you pointing here?
You are connecting some dots, but...
Can you be more specific?
Aha ok, i didnt't see post before.
Are you pointing the same things but with coils?

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #53 on: January 06, 2019, 08:49:50 PM »

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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #54 on: January 06, 2019, 08:58:49 PM »
v8karlo :
  last question: yes ! But capacitive !
I think you are in the " L"- stage, but soon thinking about L+ NN - readytouse
   Too fast, learn to make errors and learn the effect from " different opinion":
   science " says" c, why not ccw ?
   electromagnetic regime truth or quantum regime truth !   Later:
   what differ DC from pulsed DC from AC and Polyphase AC experimental on a pony brake !

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #55 on: January 06, 2019, 09:39:13 PM »
Void,
In that case, what if the load has low resistance?
Actually, if the load is primary of Tesla coil (low turns)?Can you answer me, I need your opinion.

I have something on my mind.
So, my thought is:
If I use Tesla coil step up, my load is low resistance Tcoil primary.
So my primary is very low resistance.

Secondary is many turns.I step up to lets say 1000V.
Then I connect another Tesla coil on that one but step down,to retrieve amps back.
So I have step up Tcoil connected to step down Tcoil.

My question is:
Can I avoid losses what you talking about connecting two Tcoils that way.
Is that what Kapanadze is doing to avoid losses?
It just occurred to me when I read your post.

Hi V8Karlo. If you use a coil instead of a resistive load, such as a primary coil for a tesla coil,
the losses in the coil itself will be minimal, but when you draw power from the secondary it causes
more losses due to drawing higher current from your power source on the primary side, and there are
always the losses in your controller switching circuitry. You efficiency will still be less than 100%.
However, if your tesla coil setup or whatever coil setup can draw in extra energy from outside the system,
then you would have a chance of reaching COP > 1. Kapandze's setup would have to be drawing in a lot
of extra energy from outside his setup to be able to self loop and also power several kW's of light bulbs.


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Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2019, 10:44:33 PM »
You efficiency will still be less than 100%.
However, if your tesla coil setup or whatever coil setup can draw in extra energy from outside the system,
then you would have a chance of reaching COP > 1.
I know that this system can not be  COP>1.

I never wanted to reach COP>1 with this system.
It is impossible to reach COP>1 with this system.
I count on losses.
I need COP 0.7 or COP 0.8.
As much as I can return to source.
Additional 0.2 will be added from load.


That is my idea.
That is what I am talking all the time.
In that case I am looping energy in circle and using
whatever reminds.

(Kapanadze is adding only a little to his system from load,
and if his bulbs are in parallel then his output has little resistance)

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #57 on: January 06, 2019, 10:58:10 PM »
v8karlo :
  last question: yes ! But capacitive !
I think you are in the " L"- stage, but soon thinking about L+ NN - readytouse
   Too fast, learn to make errors and learn the effect from " different opinion":
   science " says" c, why not ccw ?
   electromagnetic regime truth or quantum regime truth !   Later:
   what differ DC from pulsed DC from AC and Polyphase AC experimental on a pony brake !

Can you be little more specific?

Q system overcomes J limitations, but I need it in both phases.
Then I can stack Q and Q.
Q input is AC and Q output is AC.
Output of one Q can be input for another Q.
QQ - is that what you suggest?

Or did you think about QZero?

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2019, 10:59:26 PM »
Ok. Your words sounds honest.Wesley is a good guy. About Zero, what is your opinion?
Please read my posts from page 125 onwards on Wesley's thread.

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #59 on: January 06, 2019, 11:04:11 PM »
Please read my posts from page 125 onwards on Wesley's thread.
OK.

 

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