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Author Topic: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution  (Read 7557 times)

Offline Mr.Miyagi

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Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« on: December 23, 2018, 09:58:29 AM »
This is a thread to try to wake the minds of the sleeping.

You need to think!

You need to stick to accurate educated fact.

You need to know where electrical energy comes from.

You need to know how to conjure electrical energy!

You need to know what problems are faced by conjureing electrical energy.

You need to know how to use such problems to your advantage.

You need to know about timing of such events.

I have seen these machines, I know people that build them. They tell me that you're all to inarticulate to succeed, and you haven't the slightest clue about energy in the first place. They tell me that all of you are stuck in perpetual loops of destruction. All of you are looking in the wrong place. Are you willing to start looking in the right place?

Time to wake from your slumber!

Time to do some serious thinking, make the above statements a known, make the journey forward one of success.

Stop following those that have no idea and will happily lead you down rabbitholes where continued failure lays.

Loose your path of already well known and well explored areas that have nothing to do with the above statements! This is important! Very important!

Be your own leader!

Think certainty, think evidence, think intelligence, think naked truth, make your list, find your answers, make sure you know your path!


The path to your load is one of Insulated Copper Conductor, nothing special, nothing new, it powers your load with Applied Voltage and a flow of Current.



What are the requirements to accomplish these two simple tasks.


THINK! THINK!

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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2018, 01:18:34 PM »
This is a thread to try to wake the minds of the sleeping.

You need to think!

You need to stick to accurate educated fact.

You need to know where electrical energy comes from.

You need to know how to conjure electrical energy!

You need to know what problems are faced by conjureing electrical energy.

You need to know how to use such problems to your advantage.

You need to know about timing of such events.

I have seen these machines, I know people that build them. They tell me that you're all to inarticulate to succeed, and you haven't the slightest clue about energy in the first place. They tell me that all of you are stuck in perpetual loops of destruction. All of you are looking in the wrong place. Are you willing to start looking in the right place?

Time to wake from your slumber!

Time to do some serious thinking, make the above statements a known, make the journey forward one of success.

Stop following those that have no idea and will happily lead you down rabbitholes where continued failure lays.

Loose your path of already well known and well explored areas that have nothing to do with the above statements! This is important! Very important!

Be your own leader!

Think certainty, think evidence, think intelligence, think naked truth, make your list, find your answers, make sure you know your path!


The path to your load is one of Insulated Copper Conductor, nothing special, nothing new, it powers your load with Applied Voltage and a flow of Current.



What are the requirements to accomplish these two simple tasks.


THINK! THINK!

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Stop following those that have no idea

Oh well,thats the end of this thread.  ;D

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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2018, 10:20:49 PM »
Oh well,thats the end of this thread.  ;D

Didn't think it would be long before you appeared. The number of posts besides ones name is merely an indication of lack of control of ones mouth. Men of few words often have more to say than men of many!

Don't you have to go and attend to your drinking bird?


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Wiping a glass rod with cat fur changes the distribution of charges on the glass rod, sweeping a magnet at right angles to an insulated copper conductor does the same thing. How does something so simple change the distribution of charge?

Where does charge come from?

Does this distribution of charge constitute a current? If no why? If yes why?

How is a current made to flow in an Insulated copper wire, when a generator coil is electrically connected to nothing! The only thing making contact with the coil over time is magnetic flux?

Faradays law of electromagnetic Induction makes a prediction on voltage only, it makes no prediction on current nor does it estimate the current that will flow. Isn't that odd!

Think people, Think, what are the absolute base requirements to induce a voltage that will allow for a current to flow.

Why can a voltage be present without a current?

What is voltage?

What is current?

What creates a current?

Does magnetic flux have anything to do with the production of current? When an air cored coil can be shown to extrude all magnetic flux when loaded sufficiently! No magnetic flux makes contact with the coil at all! Yet current still flows.

Do not let distractions de-rail your focus! Only a determined mind can succeed!
« Last Edit: December 24, 2018, 08:16:31 AM by Mr.Miyagi »

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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2018, 10:20:49 PM »
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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2018, 03:16:55 AM »
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Didn't think it would be long before you appeared.

What can i say.
I love a good comedy  ;)

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The number of posts besides ones name is merely an indication of lack of control of ones mouth.

Chris had more posts than anyone else here  ::)

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Don't you have to go and attend to your drinking bird?

No
Old dunky now looks after him self,day in,day out. ;)

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Wiping a glass rod with cat fur changes the distribution of charges on the glass rod,

Not quite
It separate's the charges,and your better off using silk.
This action removes the electrons from the glass atoms,and deposit's them onto the silk cloth- so the silk becomes negatively charged,and the glass rod positively charged.

 
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sweeping a magnet at right angles to an insulated copper conductor does the same thing.



No it dose not.
No charges are removed from the copper conductor like they are from the glass rod.
A force acts upon the free electron's,and causes a charge separation of the free electrons within the conductor.
You hit the ball on the right side,and it moves left--you hit the ball on the left side,and it moves right.

 
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How does something so simple change the distribution of charge?

To which are you referring?

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Where does charge come from?

It doesn't come from anywhere,as it already exists.

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Does this distribution of charge constitute a current? If no why? If yes why?

Separation of charges requires work to be done.

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How is a current made to flow in an Insulated copper wire, when a generator coil is electrically connected to nothing!

If the coil is open,then no current will flow,other than a small amount to charge the self capacitance of the coil during each half phase swing.

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The only thing making contact with the coil over time is magnetic flux?

Wrong.
Any magnetic field that changes in time,has an associated electric field with it.

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Faradays law of electromagnetic Induction makes a prediction on voltage only, it makes no prediction on current nor does it estimate the current that will flow. Isn't that odd!

I make a prediction that there will be a length of rope on a boat,but no prediction can be made on the length of that rope.

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Think people, Think, what are the absolute base requirements to induce a voltage that will allow for a current to flow.

An electric field that is changing with time.

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Why can a voltage be present without a current?

Why can water be present in a pipe without it flowing?

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What is voltage?

A potential difference between separated charges.

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What is current?

A flow of the separated charges along a conductive path between the two charge storage mediums.

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What creates a current?

The flow of charge,mostly electrons and ions.

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Does magnetic flux have anything to do with the production of current?

No.
A magnetic field is the result/bi-product of current flow.

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When an air cored coil can be shown to extrude all magnetic flux when loaded sufficiently! No magnetic flux makes contact with the coil at all! Yet current still flows.

A magnetic field exists when ever there is current flow.

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Do not let distractions de-rail your focus!

Most here are pretty switched on,but i think you need glasses.

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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2018, 04:22:03 AM »
I am tempted to enter discussions with you tinman, issue being I know your history.

For this reason, I will not enter discussions with you, except to say, you are mostly wrong, you have no proof and your ideas that are right, you do not know why.

I sense you are scared, you are hiding something and you are trying to cover something up - Perhaps soon you will let slip your secret  ;)

You are a half run horse.

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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
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Offline Mr.Miyagi

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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2018, 05:26:56 AM »
What I have seen is:

Nine of ten threads here is completely off topic when it comes to simple energy generation!

Most threads are filled with off topic nonsense.

95% of posts do not focus on the actual topic of energy and the generation of it.

Some are wildly posting random topics for others to follow that have zero focus on powering the load.

Some here, names others follow blindly, are so far off topic its a complete circus. Don't blindly follow others that don't know what they are doing! Make your own educated, intelligent, specifically focused goals!

Take a globe, 12 volt, 21 watt, or something you have on hand. Make this your target load, focus on that load, put it up high, on a stand, look at it, ask yourself, what are the specific requirements to light this globe. This globe is your specific focus!

It requires two specific things to light up:

    1: An applied Voltage.
    2: Sufficient current, from a low impedance source.

So, what is your source? Of course you need to know the answers to the questions in my prior posts. How is it that a generator can have a closed coil loop, with zero electrical connection to anything else than itself. Two coils, electrically connected to themselves, yet they can transfer electrical energy in a large volume.

Focus on a new path, ignore the time wasters, shut out the fools that are over complicating a simple task!

    FOCUS

Your Task is powering the Globe!


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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2018, 05:41:37 AM »
Note:

Conduction it is your first and foremost concept. Base everything around Conduction.

Induction it is your second most important concept. Base everything around Conduction and Induction.

    You need a voltage

    You need current, from your source.

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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2018, 06:14:00 AM »
Hi Mr.Miyagi, thanks for sharing, I will give thought to this.
I think current is created by short circuiting our source voltage, a collision, a cat eating its tail.
Of course we can get something useful out of it in the meantime.

Though for my 2 cents worth, I'm going to say we should try and create induction, while minimizing current (conduction) going back and eating our sources tail. :)
peace love light


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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2018, 07:27:29 AM »
Hi Mr.Miyagi, thanks for sharing, I will give thought to this.
I think current is created by short circuiting our source voltage, a collision, a cat eating its tail.
Of course we can get something useful out of it in the meantime.

Though for my 2 cents worth, I'm going to say we should try and create induction, while minimizing current (conduction) going back and eating our sources tail. :)
peace love light

SkyWatcher123, great potential I have seen,

Current is the flow of charge, originally it was deemed as: 6.24 x 1018 electrons passing point Pt1 per second, equaling one ampere. An ampere of Charge is equal to one Coulomb. One coulomb is equal to one farad of charge. Science has meddled with these figures somewhat, and today we have different figures. The electron may not be, and likely isn't the particle making up current, however, this statement is meant loosely.

What is charge? Subatomic particles carrying a charge, randomly distributed, everywhere, seen in quantity in materials of mass conductivity, normally capable of travel, up to but not beyond the speed of light, at least as of today, observed as a static non charged medium until charge potential order is arranged, requiring conductivity and insulation to follow order.

Wikipedia has this to say:

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The speed at which energy or signals travel down a cable is actually the speed of the electromagnetic wave traveling along (guided by) the cable. i.e. a cable is a form of a waveguide. The propagation of the wave is affected by the interaction with the material(s) in and surrounding the cable, caused by the presence of electric charge carriers (interacting with the electric field component) and magnetic dipoles (interacting with the magnetic field component). These interactions are typically described using mean field theory by the permeability and the permittivity of the materials involved. Due to the skin effect, the energy/signal usually flows overwhelmingly outside the electric conductor of a cable; the purpose of the conductor is thus not to conduct energy, but to guide the energy-carrying wave.




Experimentally, a charge pump is required to reach your goal of lighting your load. A pump of subatomic charged particles, it must have minimum impedance and maximum potential. At least 12.7 volts in this case.



Ignore the distractions, do not follow those that would deliberately mislead you! Use common sense! Use logic!




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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2018, 11:09:40 AM »
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You need to think!
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THINK! THINK!
You should yourself set an example. I'm waiting for you.  ;D
Merry Christmas.

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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2018, 12:30:15 PM »
You should yourself set an example. I'm waiting for you.  ;D
Merry Christmas.



This means you've failed. Waiting for someone else to do the hard work for you means you are lazy, both mentally and physically.

Merry Christmas.



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Electricly charged particles have a magnetic moment. This means you can use electric and magnetic fields to influience these particles. Meaning an electromagnetic machine, one could think of this as an electromagnetic charge pump. Like all pumps, one must create a pressure. Putting these charged particles under pressure, cycling from high amplitude to a low ampitude.

Where does charge come from? An insulated conductor is full of charge, its static and at an equilibrim state. Take a magnet and move it past the conductor at right angles to the wire. The magnet separates the charge, positive to one end, negative to the other. Basic electromagnetic induction. the faster you move, the more charge the terminals will have.

    1: The time rate of change of the magnetic field creates a voltage.

How do you free more charge?

The cyclotron is an example of accelerating charged particles. It uses electric and magnetic fields to put a force on the already existing charged particle.

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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2018, 02:06:03 PM »


For this reason, I will not enter discussions with you, 

I sense you are scared, you are hiding something and you are trying to cover something up - Perhaps soon you will let slip your secret  ;)

You are a half run horse.

Yes i am.
I am past mid point on life's journey,and getting closer to the point of total freedom.

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1: The time rate of change of the magnetic field creates a voltage.

No
A rate of change over time of an electric field causes an EMF
The changing magnetic field co-exists with the changing electric field.

A static electric field can create an EMF,a static magnetic field cannot.

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except to say, you are mostly wrong, you have no proof

Actually,it is you that is mostly wrong.
Care to go up against me--perhaps a friendly build off,see who can make the most efficient electromagnetic machine?.

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I am tempted to enter discussions with you tinman, issue being I know your history.

Ok,fair enough.
Merry Xmas anyway  :)


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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2018, 02:35:37 PM »

Care to go up against me--perhaps a friendly build off,see who can make the most efficient electromagnetic machine?.

Ok,fair enough.
Merry Xmas anyway  :)


Brad




Merry Christmas Brad.



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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2018, 02:44:04 PM »
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This means you've failed. Waiting for someone else to do the hard work for you means you are lazy, both mentally and physically.

Well,we are yet to see anything from you--nothing but words so far.

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Where does charge come from?

Charge dose not come from somewhere,it is already everywhere.

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1: The time rate of change of the magnetic field creates a voltage.

Really  ::)
Then how dose a peltier module create a voltage,when one side is heated,and the other cooled ?,----> no changing magnetic field involved there. Could it be an electric field being created,via temperature variant charge separation  ;D

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How do you free more charge?

Perform more work.

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The cyclotron is an example of accelerating charged particles.

So is strapping a battery to a rocket  :D

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It uses electric and magnetic fields to put a force on the already existing charged particle.

To differing temperatures can do that also-->whats your point?.


Brad

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Re: Inarticulate minds stuck in convolution
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2018, 03:34:24 PM »
Brad,

You seem to have a very high opinion of yourself. Your challenges and disagreements are very highly valued in your own eyes. Yet, I sense a high degree of uncertainty.

E is for electric, M is for magnetic, orthogonally they are Electro-Magnetic, known as electromagnetic.

Charge separation comes in many forms, very simple solutions for simple experiments exist.
    Chemical
    Mechanical
    Magnetic
    others...

A good read: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/chemistry/charge-separation learn something new.

When one catches the wave, one only need ride it down to equilibrium, then one must trigger a new wave peak by bring up the potential again. You have lost the ability to bring forth the wave.

Brad, it appears the confusion you have gained is crippling your intelligence! I think we have found what you're hiding.

 

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