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Author Topic: ZPE Battery Research IV  (Read 20165 times)

Offline Fysikk

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #75 on: November 09, 2019, 03:23:50 PM »
Hi latest production model

Copper Coin (Positive Electrode)
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« Reply #76 on: November 09, 2019, 11:58:36 PM »
Did you place your meter across the aluminum tube and either end of battery. Curious to know whether there's a potential difference there.

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« Reply #77 on: November 10, 2019, 12:19:22 AM »
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« Reply #78 on: November 10, 2019, 01:16:54 AM »
What do you mean wrapping paper. The paper is inside the tube and acts as and insulator between tube and play doh correct? Did you have paper in the first one also. If not did you try to measure whether there was voltage from tube to either end of battery?

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #79 on: November 10, 2019, 03:49:01 AM »
No Voltage from aluminium to either of Ends !!

Hi i have switched Nickel Coin with Zinc Screw !!

That raise Voltage from 0.5+ to 0.8+ Volt

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« Reply #80 on: November 11, 2019, 02:06:47 AM »
I haven't done any battery experiments so I decided to play a little today. The metals I used were aluminum foil and 1/2" copper tubing. For the electrolyte I just grabbed whatever was handy. Here are some of the measurements from them. Since I'm at work all I have is one of those cheap analog meters to work with. So who knows how accurate the measurements are. Salt water - .6 volts Baking soda - .6 volts Liquid bleach - 1.8 volts

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #81 on: November 11, 2019, 11:55:31 AM »
Two different metals + electrolyte always gives some voltage. That has been known for more than 100 years now...  ::)

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« Reply #82 on: November 11, 2019, 02:30:50 PM »
No shit!!

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2019, 08:31:07 AM »
Carbon electrodes w/ nano coating of ferrocene
Thickness of electrolyte determines freq. received


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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #84 on: November 21, 2019, 04:21:37 PM »
Have not read everything yet, but quick question for now.


Do you keep those batteries under load constantly?


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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #85 on: November 22, 2019, 03:30:42 AM »
Fysikk, I've been tinkering with a cell I made with heavier materials. I came across something that had me puzzled. When I measure current with my analog meter on 250 ma setting the current would gradually increase. But I never saw it go above 200 milliamperes. With my DMM on 10 amp setting it slowly increase but may go upwards of 4 amps. I did some research and found that it's quite common. It is caused by the heating of electrolyte when drawing current. As the electrolyte heats its resistance drops. Then more current flows , more heating further lowering resistance. The DMM internal resistance is lower so the effect was greater I guess.

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« Reply #86 on: November 22, 2019, 02:57:58 PM »
I was also told that the slow rise in current is because of the oxide layer that forms on the aluminum. When drawing current it slowly eats away this layer and the current increases. So more than likely it's a combination of the heating and stripping away of the oxide layer. I think the underlying problem is that I'm using bleach as electrolyte. I found a cheap drain cleaner that contained water , sodium hypochlorite and sodium hydroxide. With this product I get what I would consider normal battery behavior. The current went to 4 amps immediately and then slowly tapered off.

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« Reply #87 on: November 30, 2019, 03:30:46 PM »
When using the drain cleaner there is a strong reaction at the aluminum creating gas bubbles. I think this is hydrogen gas. But when drawing current the reaction seems to slow down. But as I understand the reaction may appear to slow down. But in reality the hydrogen ions are now moved towards the copper plate.
Something else that had me thrown off was voltage measured on the plastic container that holds the cell and liquid. If I removed alligator clip from anode and connected to container I measure about .6 volts. But if I touched clip on outside of container there was no voltage. I quickly realized that the inside lip was damp from the electrolyte. When I cleaned and dryed the inside lip it dropped to around 25 millivolts. So the galvanic voltage was between the copper plate and metal of the clip. If I connect cathode clip to container I measure 1.14 volts between aluminum and clip.

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #88 on: December 03, 2019, 06:18:19 AM »
You are creating (in cyclical processes)
aluminum chloride, hydrogen, oxygen, water
sodium hydroxide, chlorine gas (toxic), and at least one other
electrochemical reaction I’m missing


Eventually your Aluminium as well as electrolyte will need replacing

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #89 on: December 04, 2019, 02:39:03 PM »
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