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Title: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 16, 2018, 05:39:30 PM
Hi

I tested acrylic paint (dielectric) between two button
neodymium magnets with nickel coating !!

Reading from the multimeter :

I measured a dc voltage of 15 mV !!

Voltage goes down due to bad dielectric !!

Sincerly - Kai
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: F6FLT on December 16, 2018, 06:24:24 PM
How long time? Current in a load?
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: ayeaye on December 16, 2018, 06:56:04 PM
Mmmm, nickel coating, capacitor... You didn't touch the probes when measuring?

Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 16, 2018, 07:07:45 PM
Mmmm, nickel coating, capacitor... You didn't touch the probes when measuring?

Hi i did not touch the probes !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 16, 2018, 07:17:08 PM
How long time? Current in a load?

Hi the voltage did only last a short amount of time !!

Check out the attached image of calculated current !!

I just discovered that the voltage had gone up to 50 mV
after the acrylic paint has dryed out !!

Calculator image updated !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold

Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: F6FLT on December 16, 2018, 09:38:44 PM
Hi the voltage did only last a short amount of time !!

Check out the attached image of calculated current !!

I just discovered that the voltage had gone up to 50 mV
after the acrylic paint has dryed out !!

Calculator image updated !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold

Maybe a little electret effect?
You could try without magnetic material but with the same metal, for example with two pieces of nickel if your magnets were neodynium coated with nickel.



Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 16, 2018, 10:26:02 PM
Hi

I have updated the first post with the magnet type !!

Update :

I have tested two steel plates with zinc coating and acrylic paint
between the plates :

I got no voltage but :

One side (Positive polarity)
Other side (Negative polarity)

I checked that on multimeter display !!

It does matter if i switch multimeter sticks
when measuring on the steel plates !!

It does look like that i only get a voltage if
the dielectric contain some water...

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: ayeaye on December 17, 2018, 04:10:14 AM
When you short the capacitance, never touch anything, how much time it takes to get 50 mV?

Everything may matter, all has to be described. Neodymium magnets covered with nickel right? Acrylic paint between them, likely a thin layer, it matters that it's a thin layer. Is the air ionized, was there a thunder storm, everything matters.

See my post there, the wrapped magnet that i made  https://overunity.com/18026/a-treatise-on-the-magnetic-vector-potential-and-the-marinov-generator/30/ . Hell i may be stupid, are neodymium magnets covered with nickel? I maybe didn't need all that effort of covering it with insulating tape, and then wrapping it into aluminum foil, though it was not difficult to do. Maybe i could measure directly on it, if it is coated with nickel, i don't know what it is coated with. But then it may matter that it's a thick conductor where are a lot of electrons, it may even matter what metal it is made of. This generated a small current when in series with my body, and likely not for galvanic reasons. I cannot explain that, the same as you cannot explain your result, and maybe they are somehow related, maybe not. There are still things that we cannot exactly explain.

This drawing i made with Inkscape, everyone learn to use it, very nice thing. And often only drawing can show what you exactly did. Well, and to confirm that not only you do stupid experiments :)

Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 21, 2018, 06:17:48 PM
Hi :

I tested two button magnets with
homemade Playdoh clay between !!

Reading on multimeter :
50 to 71 mV DC Voltage !!

Voltage is more stable ...

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold

Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: ayeaye on December 22, 2018, 08:47:39 AM
I guess it needs electrons. But in time it might be able to gather them enough from the air or such, so over time some voltage gathers to the capacitance.

It is how it might be, in theory, a magnet creates a vortex of electrons in the metal wrapping, or coating. This is a current, and may fill a capacitance. But this may need electrons, from the air, from the ground, or from a large metal body

Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: ayeaye on December 22, 2018, 07:49:14 PM
Fysikk, i cannot replicate your results. I made two "wrapped magnets", of 3 ceramic magnets 1 inch in diameter and 5 mm thick, wrapped into aluminum foil. Between these wrapped magnets was a thin insulating tape. The wrapped magnets attracted each other. After 5 minutes i momentarily measured 0.5 mV between these wrapped magnets, i saw no voltage after i discharged the capacitance. This result is insignificant, however, considering all the static electricity that could been around.

Or did your magnets repulse each other?

Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 22, 2018, 08:12:47 PM
Hi :

The magnets are not supposed to be wrapped
in aluminium foil and you need to use a layer of
of dried acrylic paint or homemade play-doh
clay between the two magnets attracting each other !!

Measure the dc voltage after assembly !!

Note use one stick on each magnet !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: ayeaye on December 22, 2018, 08:18:37 PM
I only have ceramic disc magnets which don't conduct electricity. The only way to emulate your experiment is to wrap them into aluminum foil.

I don't say that you effect is not there, i just say that nothing is yet certain. Be careful also, the voltages are very small, everything like slight differences in the alloys of nickel can create battery with certain substances between the magnets.

Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on January 10, 2019, 05:02:02 PM
I have made a magnetic capacitor Version 2.0 :

Third charge up test :

I used a AA Battery again in the third test !!

The third charge up failed ..

Updated :

It turns out that the magnetic capacitor only charges up
if the dielectric glue between the plates is wet !!

Check out the enclosed image …

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: ayeaye on January 10, 2019, 05:05:27 PM
Your device is not even a capacitor, or i don't know. The neodymium ring magnet may be covered with nickel, and this conducts electricity. Is your ceramic magnet thicker than the ring magnet or not, you didn't describe it properly, so impossible to decide whether it is even a capacitor. The same as your previous experiment, some paints may conduct electricity.

In case if it is not a capacitor, please measure the current through it, but don't touch it with fingers. And don't charge it with any battery. I want to know, whether these two metals, nickel and copper, may provide the electrons or whatever, the same as my body in my experiment with a hard disk magnet and my body in series. Thanks.

Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on January 10, 2019, 05:13:53 PM
Hi

The drawing of the magnetic capacitor is correct !!

The size of the device is 27 mm diameter and 9 mm thickness.

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: skywatcher on January 11, 2019, 07:41:59 PM
You almost always get some millivolts if you put some wet material between two plates of metal, even if you use the same metal on both sides.Theoretically there should be no galvanic effects, but this applies only if both electrodes are 100% identical which is never the case.If you only touch them with your fingers they are 'contaminated' and might have different electrical properties.
Voltage alone means nothing. It's only interesting if you can draw significant amounts of current.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: ayeaye on January 11, 2019, 09:41:32 PM
Yes, and the other thing is thermocouple, which can also provide a small amount of current. I cannot exclude that this is the reason in my case. All these things have to be separately measured and subtracted to get real results.

Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on February 04, 2019, 03:15:35 PM
Here is my selfcharging battery 1.0 :

The battery charges up when not connected to multimeter !!

When measuring intial voltage (650-850 mV) it drops down rapidly !!

Silicone is charging up the ceramic magnet (Iron Oxides).

Check out the image for battery experiment details !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on May 24, 2019, 08:10:58 PM
I discovered that i have been reading the corrosion table backwards
and that the Stainless Steel (+) Zinc (-) combination does corrode !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on June 13, 2019, 10:22:00 PM
Here is an article about :

How to Make a Battery That Lasts (Practically) Forever

Link :

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/how-to-make-a-battery-that-lasts-practically-forever/

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold 8)

Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on June 16, 2019, 09:38:31 PM
Hi Here is a picture of corrosion taken with my digital microscope :

Picture shows corrosion and debris of blue playdoh clay !!

Check out the enclosed image !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold  ;D
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on June 29, 2019, 05:36:52 PM
My simple electrostatic battery 1.0 :

Rubber Gasket (Positive Polarity)
Universal Glue
Stainless Steel Disk - Zinc Coated (Negative Polarity)

Measuring 0.8 Volt and then it goes down.

There is no amperage but i still measure voltage after several hours !!

You can follow the project on this google album :

https://photos.app.goo.gl/2hTmy4A8EhRsekH26

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold  8)
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on July 01, 2019, 08:48:10 PM
Hi

Here is why the rubber gasket conducts electricity :

The rubber gasket  turn out to be a elastomer and that kind
of materials conducts electricity...

Check out the enclosed image for details.

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on July 06, 2019, 07:06:10 PM
Here is the enclosed image of my theory of everything :

It is based on duality (Positive + Negative).

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on July 06, 2019, 07:19:46 PM
Check out the enclosed image of my research desktop !!

It has a custom logo : Design + Research Desktop Station

The notebook was shopped today.

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on July 06, 2019, 08:35:00 PM
Check out the list of materials used earlier in my project.

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on July 06, 2019, 09:07:35 PM
The problem is that we are all blind in a dark room trying to find our
way through the labyrinth to a window that we can open and let in the
light. We can not be 100% sure that there is even a window to find.
We think there is. We hope there is. Many times we will go down a
dead-end alley and have to return and find another path in the
labyrinth.

Essentially we are all "stupid" for trying to do what established
science says is impossible. But, you probably know the famous French
saying: "the word impossible is not part of the French vocabulary".

So we keep trying. Each one of us has a different education,
background, and way of looking at things. That is what is super cool
about the Internet, we can mix these together instantly on a global
scale. The soup is cooking, and even if 80 or 90% of the discussions
here are just useless noise, maybe someday the soup will be finished
and will taste very good.

Unfortunately we don't have much time. The human race is rushing
towards self-extinction, maybe as soon as 2010. Every years trillions
of dollars for weapons of destruction and nary a pence for alternate
energy. Human intelligence is falling like a rock and human
aggressiveness is rising like a rocket. The iceberg is only 100m in
front of planet Titanic and the velocity is "full-speed ahead".

A lot of things have to dramatically change and very quickly.
I wish I could be more optimistic.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on July 06, 2019, 10:01:08 PM
Hi

I have been doing research since 21 April 2016 !!

It has gone 3 years \ 2 Months \ 15 Days...

I have run out of ideas and have yet to find the ultimate battery.

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold  8)
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on July 08, 2019, 04:34:21 AM
List of things tested in battery project :

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on July 13, 2019, 09:57:39 AM
Here is a pdf with the latest information and battery Experiments :

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on July 25, 2019, 07:56:20 AM

Here is a list of solid electrolytes :

Check out the enclosed image !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold  ;D
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on July 25, 2019, 08:13:31 AM
Hi here is a website with free energy batteries :

https://vakuumenergie.de/ (https://vakuumenergie.de/)

Inventor - Marcus Reid

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold  8)
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on July 25, 2019, 08:16:49 AM
Here is a free energy news website :

www.zpenergy.com (http://www.zpenergy.com)

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold  8)
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on July 29, 2019, 10:58:33 PM
Short update on marker pen experiments :

Voltage gradually goes down on both Experiments.  :P

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on August 03, 2019, 07:51:45 AM
Hi here is my image of an advanced battery design :

Check out the image ...

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold  8)
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on August 12, 2019, 05:17:24 PM
More details about the latest Experiment :

Aluminium Disk
Corroded Steel Ring
Nickel + Neodymium Disk

They are all magnetic !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on August 12, 2019, 05:22:34 PM
The solid electrolyte i used in latest Experiment :

Universal Fix It (White)

Did not measure any DC , AC or Amperage !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on August 12, 2019, 05:24:38 PM
I celebrate message number 100 !!!!

 8) 8) 8) Full Member

Have a nice day everybody !!!
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on August 21, 2019, 08:03:07 AM
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Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on August 21, 2019, 04:00:10 PM
Update on simplified free energy battery :

I completed the test run after 15+ hours  !!

Last Reading of the voltage was 715 mV.

The Experiment was a success !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on August 30, 2019, 04:37:18 PM
Here is a updated list of solid electrolytes :

Check out the image !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on September 01, 2019, 08:53:33 PM

It turned out it was not the salt which accounted for free energy , instead
it is one of the elements in flour ingredient of the playdoh clay !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on September 05, 2019, 06:33:30 PM
Here is the final explaination for my free energy battery :

Spontaneous Reaction = Rust\Galvanic Corrosion = Free Energy

Spontaneous reactions do not require energy from outside !!

My free energy battery contains salt which makes corrosion !!

Check out the image from google search ...

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on October 20, 2019, 09:56:44 PM

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Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: hartiberlin on October 22, 2019, 05:25:29 AM
Hi Kai Anders Wold,well done, but what you are doing are mostly galvanic cells where the metals decompose over longer timealso due to moisture in the air...
Get a few more ideasfrom Battery researcher Cayrex2on Youtube and Robert Murray Smith
and you can also work on Graphite  MnO2 rechargeable supercapsor Graphite-Magnesium Alloy batteries.
Many thanks.Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on October 22, 2019, 04:31:35 PM
Shrinked down edition of zpe Battery !!

The ring between plates have a hole which
is filled with playdoh clay !!

Check out the image ...

Sincerly - Kai
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on October 25, 2019, 02:01:51 AM
Here is a image of both sides of the shrinked battery !!

Check out the image ...

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on October 26, 2019, 07:39:33 AM
Third and most compact Production Model :

I 3d printed a smaller plastic ring !!

Check out image ...

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold   
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on October 30, 2019, 05:02:49 PM
Hi i have filled a small 12 Volt Lead battery With :

Flour + Salt + Water (7+ Voltage)

Check out image ...

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: skywatcher on November 01, 2019, 06:31:25 PM
Every battery you can buy in the supermarket also has a stable voltage and delivers far more current than your batteries.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on November 02, 2019, 07:58:30 PM
Fysikk , can you explain your theory about the ring providing voltage stability. Is that your best guess or did someone tell you that. Doesn't seem plausible to me , but I'm by no means and expert. Looking forward to your answer.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on November 02, 2019, 08:54:08 PM
The ring act as a energy regulator !!

Similar to the cpu cache in a computer ...

The ring is a temporary energy storage medium !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on November 09, 2019, 03:23:50 PM
Hi latest production model

Copper Coin (Positive Electrode)
Playdoh Clay (Solid Electrolyte)
Nickel Coin (Negative Electrode)

Aluminum Tube (Battery Voltage 0.5+)

Check out image ...

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on November 09, 2019, 11:58:36 PM
Did you place your meter across the aluminum tube and either end of battery. Curious to know whether there's a potential difference there.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on November 10, 2019, 12:19:22 AM
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Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on November 10, 2019, 01:16:54 AM
What do you mean wrapping paper. The paper is inside the tube and acts as and insulator between tube and play doh correct? Did you have paper in the first one also. If not did you try to measure whether there was voltage from tube to either end of battery?
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on November 10, 2019, 03:49:01 AM
No Voltage from aluminium to either of Ends !!

Hi i have switched Nickel Coin with Zinc Screw !!

That raise Voltage from 0.5+ to 0.8+ Volt

Check out image ...

Sincerly - Kai
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on November 11, 2019, 02:06:47 AM
I haven't done any battery experiments so I decided to play a little today. The metals I used were aluminum foil and 1/2" copper tubing. For the electrolyte I just grabbed whatever was handy. Here are some of the measurements from them. Since I'm at work all I have is one of those cheap analog meters to work with. So who knows how accurate the measurements are. Salt water - .6 volts Baking soda - .6 volts Liquid bleach - 1.8 volts
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: skywatcher on November 11, 2019, 11:55:31 AM
Two different metals + electrolyte always gives some voltage. That has been known for more than 100 years now...  ::)
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on November 11, 2019, 02:30:50 PM
No shit!!
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 17, 2019, 08:31:07 AM
Carbon electrodes w/ nano coating of ferrocene
Thickness of electrolyte determines freq. received

Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: plengo on November 21, 2019, 04:21:37 PM
Have not read everything yet, but quick question for now.


Do you keep those batteries under load constantly?


Fausto.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on November 22, 2019, 03:30:42 AM
Fysikk, I've been tinkering with a cell I made with heavier materials. I came across something that had me puzzled. When I measure current with my analog meter on 250 ma setting the current would gradually increase. But I never saw it go above 200 milliamperes. With my DMM on 10 amp setting it slowly increase but may go upwards of 4 amps. I did some research and found that it's quite common. It is caused by the heating of electrolyte when drawing current. As the electrolyte heats its resistance drops. Then more current flows , more heating further lowering resistance. The DMM internal resistance is lower so the effect was greater I guess.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on November 22, 2019, 02:57:58 PM
I was also told that the slow rise in current is because of the oxide layer that forms on the aluminum. When drawing current it slowly eats away this layer and the current increases. So more than likely it's a combination of the heating and stripping away of the oxide layer. I think the underlying problem is that I'm using bleach as electrolyte. I found a cheap drain cleaner that contained water , sodium hypochlorite and sodium hydroxide. With this product I get what I would consider normal battery behavior. The current went to 4 amps immediately and then slowly tapered off.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on November 30, 2019, 03:30:46 PM
When using the drain cleaner there is a strong reaction at the aluminum creating gas bubbles. I think this is hydrogen gas. But when drawing current the reaction seems to slow down. But as I understand the reaction may appear to slow down. But in reality the hydrogen ions are now moved towards the copper plate.
Something else that had me thrown off was voltage measured on the plastic container that holds the cell and liquid. If I removed alligator clip from anode and connected to container I measure about .6 volts. But if I touched clip on outside of container there was no voltage. I quickly realized that the inside lip was damp from the electrolyte. When I cleaned and dryed the inside lip it dropped to around 25 millivolts. So the galvanic voltage was between the copper plate and metal of the clip. If I connect cathode clip to container I measure 1.14 volts between aluminum and clip.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 03, 2019, 06:18:19 AM
You are creating (in cyclical processes)
aluminum chloride, hydrogen, oxygen, water
sodium hydroxide, chlorine gas (toxic), and at least one other
electrochemical reaction I’m missing


Eventually your Aluminium as well as electrolyte will need replacing
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 04, 2019, 02:39:03 PM
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Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: skywatcher on December 04, 2019, 04:04:02 PM
Great News :

It has turned out that my playdoh mixture of floor \ salt \ water \ food colors works as selfcharging electret !!

No. It's an electrolyte, not an electret.



Quote
I discovered when the battery was disconnected it slowly recharged back to full capacity !!

Usally i have the battery always connected to the digital multimeter !!

Your battery has such a poor performance that it can not even deliver enough current for the multimeter (which normally has > 10 MOhm).
This means, that your multimeter is more or less a 'short circuit' for your battery.

I still don't get what is the goal of your experiments. Everything you have described in this thread is 100% explainable with galvanic effects.
If you use 2 different metals and something (more or less) conductive between them, you will always get some voltage.

There is no 'zero point energy' involved. Not at all.

Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 04, 2019, 04:40:24 PM
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Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: skywatcher on December 04, 2019, 04:51:47 PM
Well an electrolyte is not the same as electret :

I know.   :)

Quote
Explaination about electret :

An electret has a permanent electric field just like a magnet have a permanent magnetic field !!

An electret works several years !!
 
Playdoh Clay is made of polymers (Polymers can work as electret)

Wiki Article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret)

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold

Electrets are very special mixtures of polymers, which can build up a permanent electric field (like a permanent magnet has a magnetic field).
But it's not possible to extract any useful energy out of this static electric field.

According to Wikipedia Play-Doh is composed of flour, water, salt, borax, and mineral oil.
(i wonder why they are putting borax into stuff children are playing with, borax is toxic)

That's not even a polymer, and it's absolutely no electret. Not even close.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 04, 2019, 05:01:03 PM
The information online about playdoh clay based on polymers was wrong !!

There have to be other explainations to my cell recharging when it is disconnected !!!

Things goes after plan - The plans to make a selfcharging mobile is beyound Schedule !!!

According to plan - Mobile will charge up when it is turned off !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: skywatcher on December 04, 2019, 05:11:50 PM
Your cell is not recharging, it's recovering. The same effect can be seen with any battery. If you draw more current than the cell can deliver it's voltage will go down, and if you remove the load the voltage is coming back (more or less). The internal resistance of your cell is so high that it can not even deliver enough current for your multimeter (which only needs fractions of a micro-amp) so the voltage goes down when you connect the multimeter. When you disconnect it, the voltage is slowly coming back. This is absolutely normal behaviour for a high-resistance galvanic cell.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on December 04, 2019, 05:49:04 PM
Fysikk , listen to what skywatcher is telling you. It is to be expected of most any battery. One of your goals is to minimize the internal resistance.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 04, 2019, 06:53:38 PM
Neither of Kajunbee or Skywather know the internal resistance of my battery cell !!

I measured the resistance - 1.3 ohm

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: skywatcher on December 04, 2019, 07:13:21 PM
I measured the resistance - 1.3 ohm
You have measured the resistance of the electrolyte, but this is not what i mean. If the internal resistance would really be so low then you would be able to draw significant power from the cell, which is obviously not the case. If you measure the voltage of the cell with a multimeter, and then you short the cell with a resistor (let's say 10 kOhm) and measure again, you will see a significant voltage drop when the resistor is connected. If your cell would have only 1.3 ohm a parallel 10 kOhm resistor would have almost no effect. You can do the same experiment on a normal battery to cross-check.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on December 09, 2019, 05:14:02 PM
I'm not sure how you managed 1.3 ohm resistance with the play doh concoction. I tried several different ratios of salt and other ingredients. The resistance measurements were low while the dough was warm. But then increased to .9 to 1.5 kilo ohms as it cooled. I found that it didn't perform as well as the damp paper towel separators that I use. If anyone can suggest a better separator material it would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 11, 2019, 11:13:26 PM
I have found a way to increase amperage :

After i putted a ferrite magnet inside the playdoh - i looked at the
digital multimeter and the amperage is rising steadily !!

Update - Explaination found :

Battery charged up the magnet inside the playdoh clay !! (First Experiment)

So when reusing the charged up magnet - there will be no increase in amps !! (Second Experiment)

Magnet is made of ferrite oxide which is a dielectric material !!

I made a hybrid battery\capacitor !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 12, 2019, 02:52:13 AM
What color is the play dough?


and ask because the product is literally salt... and dough
and a colorant (some of which are metallic, each color having different metal)
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 15, 2019, 05:22:14 AM
I'm not sure how you managed 1.3 ohm resistance with the play doh concoction. I tried several different ratios of salt and other ingredients. The resistance measurements were low while the dough was warm. But then increased to .9 to 1.5 kilo ohms as it cooled. I found that it didn't perform as well as the damp paper towel separators that I use. If anyone can suggest a better separator material it would be much appreciated.



Hi Kanjunbee and Skywatcher


I had measured the resistance of 1.3 Ohm of the copper wire !!!

I calculated the real internal resistance of the battery (400 to 600+ Ohm) !!

That means that my latest experiments is not any success !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 15, 2019, 06:29:35 AM
Your piece of wire is that high of ohms?
What kind of wire do you have?
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on December 16, 2019, 10:26:47 AM
My goal was to see if I could make a rechargeable aluminum graphite battery. I've had limited success with the electrolyte recipe I'm now working with. It at least appears to be able to take a charge, but not hold it indefinitely. I'm trying to figure out why the self discharge occurs and how to minimize it. I will try to attach a plot of one discharge cycle.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on December 16, 2019, 10:55:12 AM
The time on the plot is seconds, and the load is 230 ohm. The graphite and aluminum contact area is 2"x 1.5". If the plot was in 30 minute intervals it would be nice. Unfortunately it is in seconds..
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on December 16, 2019, 01:14:14 PM
For some reason I cannot view my attachments from my iPhone. I only get a glimpse when refreshing the page. I'll attach again to see if it changes.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on December 16, 2019, 03:09:20 PM
The reason I say appears to charge is because it could be capacitive charging. The plot looks like a battery discharge curve. But it may also be a combination of the remaining chemical energy plus the capacitive charge. And I haven't worked out how to distinguish between the two.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 19, 2019, 09:03:39 AM
For some reason I cannot view my attachments from my iPhone. I only get a glimpse when refreshing the page. I'll attach again to see if it changes.


Try shrinking or ‘trimming’ the size before you post
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on December 19, 2019, 11:51:41 AM
First attempt to trim photo.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on December 19, 2019, 12:00:29 PM
I still can't view it on my end. Can someone tell me what they see and if it's sized differently.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on December 19, 2019, 01:50:17 PM
I can view the image on everyone else's phone but mine. It's not just my attachment that I can't view. It's just about all attachments on the forum. For instance skywatchers photos on the quantum receiver thread appear on my iPhone, but almost all others don't.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on December 19, 2019, 02:33:34 PM
But anyway, this is the cell that I mentioned in post #85. For various reasons it performed very poorly. I connected a load of 6 red leds in parralel for 14 hours. After that time it dropped from 1.82 volts to 1.78 volts. The load current was roughly 7 milliamperes.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 25, 2019, 11:19:02 AM
I have found a way to increase amperage :

The ferrite magnet get charged up by playdoh clay = 2 mA

The neodymium magnet get charged up by playdoh clay = 3.3 mA

The magnets need to be inside the solid playdoh clay !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold 8)
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 27, 2019, 08:23:16 AM
Hi am making progress :

I have used a metal pokemon card box as container to my battery (upscaling of size).

Aluminium Key (Hole one) , Zinc Screw (Hole Two) ,
homemade playdoh clay + neodymium magnet inside the box !!

I drilled holes using a 12volt drilling machine.

Amps = 0.5 mA  ,  Voltage = 0.6+ mV

Check out the image ...

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on December 27, 2019, 08:51:56 AM
Drill another hole so they are closer together. See if/how this effects your measurements.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: kajunbee on December 27, 2019, 05:00:54 PM
Put my fingers in gear before my brain. Take the lid off and move them closer together.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 29, 2019, 06:12:40 PM

It turns out that the metal box disturbed the amperage (amperage went from 1.5 to Zero)

Stable amperage without metal box.

Then the amperage was stable at around 0.49 mA !!!

Both solid playdoh electrolyte have neodymium magnet inside !!

Check out the images !!      Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 29, 2019, 07:27:55 PM
I have purchased a usb female contact to alligator clips to be used to
connect the iphone xr to the selfcharging battery !!

Check out image !!     Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on December 30, 2019, 07:36:55 PM
I have replaced the metal box with an plastic box !!

Update : The amperage later went down to zero amps !!!!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on January 11, 2020, 09:30:15 PM
Hi an short update :

Just a image of the plastic box with the usual stuff !!

Check out image …     Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on January 13, 2020, 12:31:12 AM
Another small update :

Here is a updated list of stuff not working - no voltage past 1 volt !!

Item added -(Divided Cell - Water\Soft Clay).

Check out image … Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on January 21, 2020, 01:44:31 PM
Latest update :

Finally got my USB Male\Female to Alligator Clips from China !! (Banggood)

With that one i can connect the selfcharging battery to my iphone XR charging cable !!

Now i can enter the task of brainstorming and make the final selfcharging battery
that can charge up iphone (5 Volt and 1 Amps) !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: skywatcher on January 21, 2020, 06:59:31 PM
Those cables are so beautiful.   :)

Now go and buy some real batteries...   ;D
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on January 21, 2020, 07:28:59 PM
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Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: skywatcher on January 21, 2020, 07:40:33 PM
Sorry, but your voltage readings (in the range of 0.2 mV and below) are completely meaningless.
Take some different multimeters, and/or different probes, and you will get completely different (more or less random) readings.

What do you want to show us with your measurements ?  You will always measure some voltage if you put together different materials. This is common knowledge since more than 150 years. Why are you so obsessed on making bad replication of galvanic cells ?  What you are doing has absolutely nothing to do (not even remotely) with 'zero point energy' or whatever the 'ZPE' in your thread title should mean.
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on January 21, 2020, 10:07:57 PM
Skywatcher maybe you need more patience !! 8)

Here is the voltage after charging up the capacitor
with universal glue + salt + aluminium foil !!

1.312 mV (1.3 Volt)

Picture of experiment ...

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on January 22, 2020, 02:47:54 AM
Skywatcher you have got what you demanded :

Experiment With higher voltage 

New Thread Name - Selfcharging Battery Research.

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on January 23, 2020, 11:56:15 PM
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Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on January 26, 2020, 12:00:57 AM
Here have i connected five selfcharging batteries together :

Zinc and Stainless Steel

Paper with Salt Water (Selfcharging effect only works with salt) !!!

3,79 Volt Reading On Digital Multimeter ...

Check out image !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on February 02, 2020, 07:51:26 PM
Here is the Final design of the selfcharging battery and i have tested it with
two cells connected together with a copper disk and the solution works !!

Image also contain the explaination of the selfcharging effect !!

Check out image …    Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on February 04, 2020, 12:27:15 PM
Here is the final construction of the selfcharging battery :

Everything is correct according to the image but only 2.1 Volt !!

It was not resistance that was the cause , real cause was a mystery !!

Check out final experiment picture ...

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
Title: Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
Post by: Fysikk on February 15, 2020, 06:09:49 PM
Hi here is the "Recharge Capacitor 4.0" :

Capacitor Stack : (10+ miliAmps output)

Zinc Plate     
Salt + Wet Paper
Silver Coin
Salt + Wet Paper
Copper Plate

Check out images !! 

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold