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Offline kajunbee

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Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
« Reply #60 on: November 11, 2019, 02:30:50 PM »
No shit!!

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« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2019, 08:31:07 AM »
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Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
« Reply #62 on: November 21, 2019, 04:21:37 PM »
Have not read everything yet, but quick question for now.


Do you keep those batteries under load constantly?


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Offline kajunbee

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Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
« Reply #63 on: November 22, 2019, 03:30:42 AM »
Fysikk, I've been tinkering with a cell I made with heavier materials. I came across something that had me puzzled. When I measure current with my analog meter on 250 ma setting the current would gradually increase. But I never saw it go above 200 milliamperes. With my DMM on 10 amp setting it slowly increase but may go upwards of 4 amps. I did some research and found that it's quite common. It is caused by the heating of electrolyte when drawing current. As the electrolyte heats its resistance drops. Then more current flows , more heating further lowering resistance. The DMM internal resistance is lower so the effect was greater I guess.

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« Reply #64 on: November 22, 2019, 02:57:58 PM »
I was also told that the slow rise in current is because of the oxide layer that forms on the aluminum. When drawing current it slowly eats away this layer and the current increases. So more than likely it's a combination of the heating and stripping away of the oxide layer. I think the underlying problem is that I'm using bleach as electrolyte. I found a cheap drain cleaner that contained water , sodium hypochlorite and sodium hydroxide. With this product I get what I would consider normal battery behavior. The current went to 4 amps immediately and then slowly tapered off.

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Offline kajunbee

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« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2019, 03:30:46 PM »
When using the drain cleaner there is a strong reaction at the aluminum creating gas bubbles. I think this is hydrogen gas. But when drawing current the reaction seems to slow down. But as I understand the reaction may appear to slow down. But in reality the hydrogen ions are now moved towards the copper plate.
Something else that had me thrown off was voltage measured on the plastic container that holds the cell and liquid. If I removed alligator clip from anode and connected to container I measure about .6 volts. But if I touched clip on outside of container there was no voltage. I quickly realized that the inside lip was damp from the electrolyte. When I cleaned and dryed the inside lip it dropped to around 25 millivolts. So the galvanic voltage was between the copper plate and metal of the clip. If I connect cathode clip to container I measure 1.14 volts between aluminum and clip.

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Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
« Reply #66 on: December 03, 2019, 06:18:19 AM »
You are creating (in cyclical processes)
aluminum chloride, hydrogen, oxygen, water
sodium hydroxide, chlorine gas (toxic), and at least one other
electrochemical reaction I’m missing


Eventually your Aluminium as well as electrolyte will need replacing

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Offline Fysikk

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Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
« Reply #67 on: December 04, 2019, 02:39:03 PM »
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Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
« Reply #68 on: December 04, 2019, 04:04:02 PM »
Great News :

It has turned out that my playdoh mixture of floor \ salt \ water \ food colors works as selfcharging electret !!

No. It's an electrolyte, not an electret.



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I discovered when the battery was disconnected it slowly recharged back to full capacity !!

Usally i have the battery always connected to the digital multimeter !!

Your battery has such a poor performance that it can not even deliver enough current for the multimeter (which normally has > 10 MOhm).
This means, that your multimeter is more or less a 'short circuit' for your battery.

I still don't get what is the goal of your experiments. Everything you have described in this thread is 100% explainable with galvanic effects.
If you use 2 different metals and something (more or less) conductive between them, you will always get some voltage.

There is no 'zero point energy' involved. Not at all.


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Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
« Reply #70 on: December 04, 2019, 04:51:47 PM »
Well an electrolyte is not the same as electret :

I know.   :)

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Explaination about electret :

An electret has a permanent electric field just like a magnet have a permanent magnetic field !!

An electret works several years !!
 
Playdoh Clay is made of polymers (Polymers can work as electret)

Wiki Article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold

Electrets are very special mixtures of polymers, which can build up a permanent electric field (like a permanent magnet has a magnetic field).
But it's not possible to extract any useful energy out of this static electric field.

According to Wikipedia Play-Doh is composed of flour, water, salt, borax, and mineral oil.
(i wonder why they are putting borax into stuff children are playing with, borax is toxic)

That's not even a polymer, and it's absolutely no electret. Not even close.

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Offline Fysikk

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Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
« Reply #71 on: December 04, 2019, 05:01:03 PM »
The information online about playdoh clay based on polymers was wrong !!

There have to be other explainations to my cell recharging when it is disconnected !!!

Things goes after plan - The plans to make a selfcharging mobile is beyound Schedule !!!

According to plan - Mobile will charge up when it is turned off !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold

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Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
« Reply #72 on: December 04, 2019, 05:11:50 PM »
Your cell is not recharging, it's recovering. The same effect can be seen with any battery. If you draw more current than the cell can deliver it's voltage will go down, and if you remove the load the voltage is coming back (more or less). The internal resistance of your cell is so high that it can not even deliver enough current for your multimeter (which only needs fractions of a micro-amp) so the voltage goes down when you connect the multimeter. When you disconnect it, the voltage is slowly coming back. This is absolutely normal behaviour for a high-resistance galvanic cell.

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Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
« Reply #73 on: December 04, 2019, 05:49:04 PM »
Fysikk , listen to what skywatcher is telling you. It is to be expected of most any battery. One of your goals is to minimize the internal resistance.

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Re: Selfcharging Battery Research
« Reply #74 on: December 04, 2019, 06:53:38 PM »
Neither of Kajunbee or Skywather know the internal resistance of my battery cell !!

I measured the resistance - 1.3 ohm

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold

 

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