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Author Topic: The Prometheus Game  (Read 20524 times)

BushWacker

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2005, 03:18:27 AM »
Thank you IceWeller,

    You have saved me another round of carpal tunnel syndrome, lol. It's good to see someone else digging for the truth my friend. Bless you!

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PaulLowrance

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2005, 07:35:19 AM »
Dear Luca,

I love reading about Tesla.  I'm reading one of the most conservative and accepted Tesla books to date and it provides a clear reason why Morgan killed Tesla's Wardenclyffe dream.  He provides a list of rich and powerful men that convinced Morgan that Tesla's free energy would destroy their business world.  I feel bad for what Tesla went through.  IMHO he was a genius in a world of children who are playing games.  It wasn't long after that Tesla lost heart and trust in the world.  It is too bad that he began to keep so many things to himself.  On the other hand, perhaps the world wasn't yet ready.  I sure hope society is now ready because they're going to get it regardless.  It's time to grow up fast.

I am so convinced that Tesla's Longitudinal Scalar waves are what I call Electric waves.  For over a decade I've used antenna software with the most advanced electrodynamics engine ever created called NEC.  This is software that has successfully predicted antennas for decades.  People in this field know of the famous figure eight dipole radiation field.  What they are not aware of is that this is only the traverse far field.  This figure eight plot is based on the field strength at an infinite distance relative to a simple dipole antenna.  I find it interesting that the science community found a way to completely ignore the electric field.  Anyone who knows how to use NEC can easily verify that there is a pure electric wave extending out from the poles of a dipole on the same axis.  Additionally there are no magnetic fields -- it is pure electric.  In other words, you will never find any magnetic field on the same axis of a pure dipole extending away from the poles at any distance, but you will find an electric field.  Of course, since antenna poles have some thickness you will find an infitesimally amount of magnetic field, but as you decrease the poles thickness then the magnetic field decreases proportionally.  This electric wave travels forever but falls off at a faster rate than traverse wave in a vacuum.  Further study of the electric waves demonstrates that as this wave travels through matter it actually intensifies, which is opposite of the traverse electromagnetic wave.  Often ground waves are electric waves.  One thing about electric waves is that they quickly fade out while not traveling through a proper medium.  This is one field that I would love to study if I ever get time because I am most certain it is yet another key to free energy.  I have an antenna design that I would like to try one day.  It's designed to generate strong electric waves and minimum traverse waves.  Since it has very little radiation resistance the load impedance is low.  Since electric waves are best when traveling through a medium the goal is to then point the antenna at the Earth.  I would like to find out just how well the Earth handles electric waves.  My only concern is that the effect will become to strong and wipe out a city in china.  It's just a theory though, but indeed based on real life electrodynamics.  I believe Tesla knew of all these things.

Kind regards,
Paul

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2005, 12:48:04 PM »
   Paul,

   Tesla's wireless "project" was based on the "conduction" through the earth using an antenna as a large capacity tank to "drive" the oscillations through the earth, not through the air electromagnetically. During his Colorado Springs period, he demonstrated that the earth acted simply as a large tank and that it was "alive of dynamic currents" simply waiting to be put to use through the correct method - which would have been an evolution of his magnifying transmitter tuned to earth's resonance (Wardenclyffe). This is what he attempted in every way to explain: that "Hertz Waves" were a myth, not because they didn't exist, but because they could not be used to transmit power efficiently and with low losses, plus static was an issue while with his method there was no such problem. He said, that all the scientists of the time, pushed in utilizing the maximum radiated EM wave from the antenna, and this was the whole error in judgement of his four tuned circuits! Still *today* this is not understood and people fail to see why Tesla insisted on using low frequency, long wavelength frequencies - exactly for this reason. Before the 1900s, there was a period where many "Radio researchers" attempted to use higher frequencies with primitive quenched gap configurations but could not reach distances of more than a few miles - so they returned to lower frequencies and noticed that the performance was better not getting why. The whole error was in judging the primary source, which was believed to be "Hertzian Waves" which Tesla demonstrated to be useless for his project. Marconi himself did not understand the real reason why he could not get Tesla's 4 *tuned* circuits to work when he tried to replicate them saying "I tried them but they did not work". He failed to understand how to attune them correctly and make them oscillate at the proper frequencies. It was a grossolaneous attempt in dismissing Tesla's patent, while infact he demonstrated he was either ignorant on the matter or simply wanted to discredit him.
    In a 1900 radio patent interference interview, Tesla explains exactly how his 4 tuned circuits are to operate, and that we must look for driving the least EM radiated power away from the antenna using the highest possible "voltage pressure" and least current, and subsequently the maximum "current" through the earth conductor. He also explains how the supposed "ionospheric propagation" is a large misinterpretation of this concept and that it is the earth that is the sole responsible for the transmission of signal at those frequencies. He explains how he transmitted to a distance of about 30 miles a modulated tone (continuous wave) to a receiver he brought around to verify his theory  around 1894 if I remember correctly. He also explains how people misinterpreted his "real work" as he often demonstrated with "abrupt discharges" how powerful capacitor banks could be in his labs, lighting himself up or electrifying a lamp through his hands - but these were mere demonstrations to an interested but mostly ignorant public. Many made erroneous deductions through these demonstrations. Unfortunately these were the most publicized, and that is a pity as people eventually got the wrong impressions.
   There were several research lines in Tesla's experiments and he went through certain "phases" but his main objective was in grasping "nature's wheelwork". This culminated in his Dynamic Theory of Gravity and other documents still unknown to us. Yet Tesla intuitively knew since the beginning  of his studies that there was a link between electromagnetism and gravitation and "what electricity really was". He once stated that the effects of "static electricity are the effects of ether under strain and dynamic electricity are the effects of ether in motion". However taking away his ether theory meant taking away the secrets to accessing nature's wheelwork so it was done, hastily and brutally while his corpse was still warm and contemporarily he was being ridiculed and discredited and branded a "crazy old man" by the same people using his technology but not understanding it. Even worse, it took the Germans during WWII to develop his "stolen" theories and actively demonstrate them (I'm sure you've all heard of the "foo-fighters" for ex.) and wake the US government up with a slap on the face and "run for cover": Oh, the darn crazy man was right after all - classify classify CLASSIFY!

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2005, 12:48:04 PM »
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PaulLowrance

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2005, 06:12:08 PM »
Dear Luca,

Tesla's wireless "project" was based on the "conduction" through the earth using an antenna as a large capacity tank to "drive" the oscillations through the earth, not through the air electromagnetically.

Then we are in agreement.  I am excited every time I read about Tesla's experiments because they agree with my understanding of Electric waves.

Sincerely,
Paul

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2005, 07:24:00 AM »
The CHIEF reason there is so much disinformation about Tesla....and a plethora of other 'sciential nuggets' especially NOW more than ever....is the simple fact.....


That's it, 'the simple fact'.


 ;)

And the best technologies, like nature, always are.



Peace,

TS

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Offline Kysmett

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2005, 04:46:40 PM »
I think that while I agree in principle with the 'simple fact' analysis, I think there is something else at work.

All things happen in their season.  We are working in the underground (some of us litteraly have to use our basements) to bring things to light that are against what the established commercial society might stand for.  The abundance of information we have on Tesla now is only a function of the growth of our movement....and something else.

That something else is what I want to talk about.  Although there are more and more books about Tesla, they are saying less and less, if anything at all.  Most are rehashings of works already in print.  There is one more thing effecting the print world.  Dilution.  If there were one book about Tesla, and every one knew what the title was, it would be the absolute authority.  Any attempt to print a second would come under great scrutiny and most likely be considered a fraud until ALL of what it contained could be verified with the original.  The farther away you get from this point, the fewer questions about veracity need to be answered before it is accepted.  The subject becomes more diluted with speculation and supposition each quoting the former speculations and suppositions, until eventually all the fact is lost to the myth that grows like a crystal around the seed that started it. 

Teslas life work is falling into this category.  There are people watching this movement, this market, this market dilution.  There are a few motivations that are driving it.  First off you have old fashioned greed.  Authors write what people want to read, and thus buy.  You have more and more people researching the work and at the same time adding their hollywood spin to it(helping sales) and then a year later that spin is being quoted by yet another author.  The second motivation is malicious disinformation.  Someone is guarding the manuscripts that were stolen.  Someone is hoarding all of that classified information(I think that even that is contracted out to the highest bidder) and it would be in their best interest that those that are trying to reconstruct what might have happened were lead down as many blind alleys as possible. 

Beware of what you read.  The subject might be appealing, but it may only be a marketing ploy to lead you astray.  Follow up on the bibliographies, find the quotes in context and trace them to their source.  It will take only weeks instead of years experimenting with false inspiration and information.

Make haste cautiously

Kysmett

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2005, 12:38:51 AM »
Great points, as usual, Kysmett.

 The fact that his concepts make use of profoundly simple principles is a leading cause for such expensive and 'misdirective' (from a human and financial standpoint) efforts on the part of many parties, each with it's own 'vested' interest in such matters.

TS
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Offline iceweller

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2005, 03:54:39 PM »
"Beware of what you read.  The subject might be appealing, but it may only be a marketing ploy to lead you astray.  Follow up on the bibliographies, find the quotes in context and trace them to their source.  It will take only weeks instead of years experimenting with false inspiration and information."

   That is exactly the point Kysmett. That is what I continue to repeat ad infinitum. Only books with footnotes and direct references to the original documents, or THE original documents by Tesla (lectures, interviews, patents) or his contemporary editors and fellow researchers (Johnson, TC Martin, Stone Stone etc) must be taken seriously. However it did not take me mere weeks to gather and most of all absorb this, it took me 5 years of research, and it is not over yet.

   Regards

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2005, 04:36:19 PM »
I have only begun to read and gather any information abut Tesla, and I must agree with his theories etc.  The problem I have is that there is alot of conflicting information about his work and even 'copies' of his notes, etc., vary when I see them.  Could anyone here recommend a good book (or ten), site or whatever that isn't disinformed or set up to disinform?  It would be my great pleasure to collect true info according to the unadulterated underground concensus.  I'm rather fed up with the runaround, and sometimes the 'reacharound' I have to go through to find info.... :o

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2005, 09:09:05 PM »
I must concur with Ken....where can be found such a 'Teslandrian Library'?


Would that there be found a simple shortcut to running and reaching.....around.


If I get my paw(s) on it.....I'll see what I can cobble together.


 :-\









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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2005, 12:57:00 PM »
  I would suggest the following books to start with apart from reading the Tesla biographies ("Man Out of Time" - Margaret Cheney, "Prodigal Genious" - J.J. O'Neill):

   - The Inventions, Researches and Writings of Nikola Tesla - T.C. Martin
   - My Inventions - N. Tesla
   - Nikola Tesla On His Work With Alternating Currents and their application to Wireless Telegraphy, Telephony and Transmission of Power - Anderson
   - Nikola Tesla: Guided Weapons & Computer Technology - Leland Anderson
   - Tesla's Engine: a new dimension for power - TEBA
 
   Then fortunately there are these online documents available:

http://home.earthlink.net/~drestinblack/generator.htm - Tesla's Fuelless Generator
http://home.earthlink.net/~drestinblack/tesla.pdf - The strange life of Nikola Tesla ("My Inventions" with a different introduction)
http://www.tesla.hu/tesla/articles/19190500/index.htm - The True Wireless - Nikola Tesla (7 gifs to download and read)
http://www.tesla.hu/tesla/articles/19000600/19000600.doc - The Problem of Increasing Human Energy - N. Tesla


   A site which you can use as reference for all Tesla related material is Pepe's (Hungarian Professor and Tesla researcher) site:

http://www.tesla.hu

   You can also find there the original works of Moray and Gustav Le Bon (who was referred to by Tesla more than once).

   Additionally I would suggest reading "Occult Science Dictatorship", "Occult Ether Physics" and "Pentagon Aliens" by William Lyne which contain an enormous amount of footnotes and references to be looked up and cross referenced.

   Regards

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